Debaters of pbr!!

[pbhippie ben]

I was just eating my cereal, when i thought up a pretty cool idea. I know how much everyone here likes to debate about different pb issuses, smart parts, cocker vs. mag, pbn, spyder vs. tippmann, different guns, just to name a few things. Usually threads dont last very long when people start to flame eachother. So i decided to make a thread just for debating different paintball related things.

I was also thinking that we could all do this in an aim chat room.

I dont know wether this thread will work or not, but I'll give it a shot.

[the other one]

hey pbhippie ben,

you think of something, and i'll argue with you.;)

[pbhippie ben]

Originally posted by the other one
hey pbhippie ben,

you think of something, and i'll argue with you.;)

Not right now im tired, maybe another time. lol Do you like the idea? -crosses his fingers-

[Cuervo]

Is this some sort of intellectual prize fight?

Count me in.

[SilentButDeadly]

I love the idea. I'm a master-debater ;)

[Kingman27]

ok I will start!!!

spyders are better than tippmanns..

[Deceased_Sniper]

Originally posted by Kingman27
ok I will start!!!

spyders are better than tippmanns..

I agree.. Well that was easy..

Next.. Reloader B or Halo B? I like Reloader B :D .

-Deceased_Sniper

[The.Wamp]

I hate halo's... alot. They're to bulky for me thats why I'm shooting a revvy, small and I don't mind the gaps, which I barely ever get. If I was to get a new hopper I would just get a reloader. Out of the two Halo B or Reloader B, I'd go with the Reloader B... then I'd sell it

[soundman]

They are both entry level guns(m98) but I feel you can not compare the two, I feel a spyder electro is more at home on the speed ball course because of the high ROF out of the box while the 98 and a 5 or both more scenario game guns. So if the noob live close to a field I feel a spyder would be a better buy but if he wants to play a commando then 98s or 15s all the way.

[THE_SEAL]

I will debate if I feel strongly about a topic. Ready and waiting. I would say Halo B cause I didnt even know a Reloader B existed.:|

[mrpsycho]

Originally posted by Kingman27
ok I will start!!!

spyders are better than tippmanns..

Who the hell cares what a spyder is better than. You gotta argue about important stuff like, if paintball jerseys really make a difference.

j/k

both companies make nice beginner markers, but spyder probably has better intermediate markers.

[elmosferrari]

hmmmm. topic= Frontman or backman, which is more important/or, is neither more important that the other.

brian

[Deceased_Sniper]

Personally You can't play with either. But if it was frontman vs a backman in a 1v1 the front would most likely win because he is sopposed to be good at bunkering and the backman is just laying paint everywhere...

I would say Frontman is mor important...

-Deceased_Sniper

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Originally posted by Deceased_Sniper
Personally You can't play with either. But if it was frontman vs a backman in a 1v1 the front would most likely win because he is sopposed to be good at bunkering and the backman is just laying paint everywhere...

I would say Frontman is mor important...

-Deceased_Sniper

yes in a 1v1, but in a game you can use your mids to replace a front, which in my opinoin is easier than replacing a back...

[pbhippie ben]

BVackman is more important in a tourny game cus he/she is the eyes and ears of the team. without cover the frontmen prob could not do anything.

[Lokichi]

I agree if your backmen get wasted right off the bat ...then your team is in some serious hurtin......unlike in a similar situation vice versa...

[nerdcore]

Originally posted by pbhippie ben
without cover the frontmen prob could not do anything. they could, my cousin does it all the time (we're not on any team but playing at fields sometimes means most people are on their own).

in a team situation i wouldn't say any position is more important than any other position, hence the word "team."

in 1 on 1, each player is forced to become all three positions.

[the other one]

ok, here's a question that should be interesting:

what is the best paintball marker in the world?
(for every type of play)

[pbhippie ben]

To end this little debate, both positions serve there own purposes. Frontmen, bunkering and being offensive. Backmen, strategy, laying down a lot of paint. Without either you couldnt play competivatley. Also, it matters what field.

[pbhippie ben]

Originally posted by the other one
ok, here's a question that should be interesting:

what is the best paintball marker in the world?
(for every type of play)

A totally pimped, light and very sexy cocker.

[Coenen]

Originally posted by the other one
ok, here's a question that should be interesting:

what is the best paintball marker in the world?
(for every type of play)

That's a toughie, probably the Automag or the Autococker, they are IMO the two best all around markers in the game today. Then again Mags and Cockers are a separate argument in themselves.

Tippmanns and Spyders...wow, so tough, I think Spyders are better if you have the cash to upgrade to a newer marker quickly, but if you are stuck with one marker for a long time I would say Tippmann.

Here's one of my own, Pump/Stock Class play vs. Play with Semis. I enjoy Stock Class more. It's more challenging IMO.

[nerdcore]

Originally posted by Coenen
Here's one of my own, Pump/Stock Class play vs. Play with Semis. I enjoy Stock Class more. It's more challenging IMO. so far i've only used semis but when the chance presents itself, i will be trying some pump/stock class games. a field near me now has pump-only games that would be nice to check into.

i just need to get myself a stock class marker.

any game type is worth a try. i hope to get a chance to try them all. so far it's been one time outlaw & after that it's been speed speed speed.

[pbhippie ben]

My dad says stock is more fun. He says that it takes more skill and better accuracy then shooting 15 bps. Then again, he is a little biased because the first time he played was a long time ago.

I disagree with him, speedball is all about working angles. There is still a whole lot of strategy involved in speedball. So i always complain and we have arguments all the time. Moldy oldy, he is.

[Coenen]

Originally posted by pbhippie ben
speedball is all about working angels.

What about Vikings and Timmies etc.? There is certainly more to speedball than just using an Angel.

Stock is just as much about working your bunker and getting that angle as using a semi in speedball. Even more so if you are going against semis. I get the feeling we're going to come to the conclusion that we're such paintball whores that we'll play just about any style available.

[pbhippie ben]

My bad, I ment angles.:laugh:

[penguins_r_kewl]

Originally posted by the other one
ok, here's a question that should be interesting:

what is the best paintball marker in the world?
(for every type of play)

I say either an E-Bladed Evolution X or an X-Mag

[spor]

so, i think we should have a bashing board like osme other web sites i now. jus a place to flame and not get in trouble. a good way of letting off stress w/o breraking a rule:D :cool:



hint hint to the mods;)

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Originally posted by spor
so, i think we should have a bashing board like osme other web sites i now. jus a place to flame and not get in trouble. a good way of letting off stress w/o breraking a rule:D :cool:



hint hint to the mods;)

:laugh: could work i guess

[MrTiggleBitties]

We called it the "Pressure Cooker" in quakesh*t.com's forums.

[Jebedia]

Pressure Cooker ROXZY! OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[wanabe TOSA]

i want to know why everyone insist on getting a upgraded spyder over a stock impulse - there the same price in the end .....but on the other hand some people say get an impulse because its a higher end blowback but then others say a stock impulses is just that stock and no good......but on the other hand a 100$ spyder w/ hella upgrades is the best thing in the world - does anyone else get this , or is it just me

i think a stock impulse would kill a upgraded spyder with the same price any day - w/ 400$ u cant up the bps as nearly as much as the impy, the impy already has a pretty good barrel, and the impy is more low pressure than the spyder wil ever be

[Abu]

Originally posted by wanabe TOSA
but on the other hand a 100$ spyder w/ hella upgrades is the best thing in the world - does anyone else get this , or is it just me

i think a stock impulse would kill a upgraded spyder with the same price any day
please think about what you just said

[wanabe TOSA]

no think about you just said
(because i dont know what ur talkin about)

[FalloutMan]

lol impulse vs anything= anything wins i hate impulses i had one it was the worst gun i ever owned exclamation point!

we need a good flame worthy arguement with stuff that cant be proven one way or the other except that one makes more sense the other doesnt! :D

[Coenen]

Will Empire manage to unseat Dye as the company that makes the most good but still overpriced equipment and accessories for paintball and paintball players.

[wanabe TOSA]

ok now ur jus talkin like a fool - impulses have great bps, one of the most reliable/ easy maintenance markers and a huge verity of upgrades

so tell me - how in da hell was it the worst gun you've ever owned???? its impossible

[pbhippie ben]

I was also planning when i made the thread, to move some of the heated arguments on to aim. That would be more exciting.

[FalloutMan]

my imp was capped at 13 bps thats not exactly 1337 speed (i should say capped at 13 chops a second accualy) the thing wasnt reliable got tired of taking it apart to fix something, my emag doesnt need performace upgrades my gz doesnt and they both cost the same or less.

[[Infusion]BigC]

Originally posted by FalloutMan
my imp was capped at 13 bps thats not exactly 1337 speed (i should say capped at 13 chops a second accualy) the thing wasnt reliable got tired of taking it apart to fix something, my emag doesnt need performace upgrades my gz doesnt and they both cost the same or less.

you owned the old Impulse obviously.

They sucked hard compared to the new ones.

My cousin owned an old Impulse (with the big ugly letters on the side) and traded it in for a the newer Imp. The old one couldn't even compare. His Imp is totally pimped out now and, btw, would tear anykind of spyder with any kind of upgrades clear in half. (and for you technicality whores out there, I DO NOT MEEN THAT LITERALLY!)

[wanabe TOSA]

yes^^

not to even mention the option of the anti-chop eye, WoH man when i stuck that on my imp, i could get about 22 bps

-peace-

[nerdcore]

Originally posted by Coenen
Will Empire manage to unseat Dye as the company that makes the most good but still overpriced equipment and accessories for paintball and paintball players. i don't see a lot of empire gear around yet but once they establish themselves as high quality for the high price, they may prove to be valid competition. surely, "empire" sounds better to me than "dye," but it's just a name. for now, dye holds the title for expensive quality gear.

[wanabe TOSA]

empire is prolly gona make them selves an "empire" of uperclass paintball kinda like how brass eagle is the empire of beginer and noob class paintball

but i dont think that dyw over prices them selves on anything, i own their hybird pants - those were a lil steep but worth it an i font know too much about their markers but i think the pro-lights go for about 450$.....? that dosnt sound too bad to me

please tell me what is over priced of dye's and no i dont think empire will begin to overprice things - although i do wish i had one of their intimidators but they are way to over my price range (maybe this is what you are talking about)

[nerdcore]

Originally posted by wanabe TOSA
but i dont think that dyw over prices them selves on anything, i own their hybird pants - those were a lil steep but worth it an i font know too much about their markers but i think the pro-lights go for about 450$.....? that dosnt sound too bad to me

please tell me what is over priced of dye's and no i dont think empire will begin to overprice things - although i do wish i had one of their intimidators but they are way to over my price range (maybe this is what you are talking about) everything is over-priced in paintball. dye simply steps the price up a tad more.

new dye jerseys & gloves run on average about $10-15 more than other brands. dye pants go for +/-$50 more than other brands. using msrp's, of course. some stores will sell gear cheaper or discounted *coughtracercough*.

then there's dye parts & markers which i won't get into, since all parts & markers aside from spyders are generally too expensive for me (won't stop me from buying them but will certainly slow me down).

[wanabe TOSA]

what web site was that that sells for cheap?

[nerdcore]

Originally posted by wanabe TOSA
what web site was that that sells for cheap? cheaper than retail price. pbgear has the dye c4 jerseys for $55 while buying them straight from dye costs $60. that's what i meant by cheaper. not by much but enough to get, oh, an extra tank fill.

my local shop sells gear at about the same price as pbgear. then i walk in & suddenly some stuff is "discounted" *teehee!*.

[wanabe TOSA]

oh well - i only own the hybirds and i think those pants are worth every penny

but ya ur prolly right about everything else being over priced - or else i would prolly have more of what they sell

[FalloutMan]

ive seen many imps at my field new and old and they are all the same from what ive seen the ones with vision, the vision doesnt work half the time (doesnt see the paint or just doesnt work in general) and regular ones chop no matter what loader and ball detents used (i had a halo b with good detents made for halos on the gun and it chopped all the time)


i see alot of smart parts guns in general accualy and it seems like they all "suck hard" ive only seen one decent working impulse at my field and thats because the guy can barely shoot faster then 2 bps. my personal opinion is that there are much better products out their for the same price.

[nerdcore]

Originally posted by wanabe TOSA
oh well - i only own the hybirds and i think those pants are worth every penny

but ya ur prolly right about everything else being over priced - or else i would prolly have more of what they sell i didnt even know which dye pants i had til i checked dye's site just now:laugh:. they're the 03's.

seriously, dye gear is well worth the price. it honestly is great quality stuff. they have started a new line of products that are considerably cheaper than they're regular gear - Proto. i've got a proto jersey & it's just as good as a dye jersey (should be, same freaking company!).

i only own one empire product (reloader) which i already like better than it's rival, the revvy (which i also have). anyone more familiar with empire products and dye products want to add to the table?

[Coenen]

I've got an Empire 3+2 pack that I like very much, I also have the ReLoader, both are fine quality products that seem to be comparable to Dye products(given Dye doesn't make hoppers) in most ways.

I had the question b/c it seems like Empire is coming out with friggin' everything, pads, barrels, markers, hoppers, jerseys, pants, street clothes, even those uber 1337 straw hats and it's all a few bucks more than it should be. I made the comparison b/c Dye was really the first company to do anything of that nature, I think that eventually the student(Empire) may actually be able to unseat the master(Dye). It should be very interesting to see how everything shapes up.

BTW, thoughts on this, an Empire Autcocker, will it happen? I mentioned it in the Naughty Dogs thread and no one thought it would. I think that with the way Empire is trying to get the fingers into everything at the moment, it's only a matter of time.

[Rancid Coleslaw]

Originally posted by Coenen
BTW, thoughts on this, an Empire Autcocker, will it happen? I mentioned it in the Naughty Dogs thread and no one thought it would. I think that with the way Empire is trying to get the fingers into everything at the moment, it's only a matter of time.

I don't see what's stopping them. Everyone else has done it, it's their turn to go.

[pbhippie ben]

An empire cocker would be sweet. Sooner or later they realize the those would prob sell and they will make money. Who knows, maybe even the Naughty Dogs will start usin empire cockers in the future. That would be cool.

[Plython]

Originally posted by wanabe TOSA
i want to know why everyone insist on getting a upgraded spyder over a stock impulse - there the same price in the end .....but on the other hand some people say get an impulse because its a higher end blowback but then others say a stock impulses is just that stock and no good......but on the other hand a 100$ spyder w/ hella upgrades is the best thing in the world - does anyone else get this , or is it just me

i think a stock impulse would kill a upgraded spyder with the same price any day - w/ 400$ u cant up the bps as nearly as much as the impy, the impy already has a pretty good barrel, and the impy is more low pressure than the spyder wil ever be

Get an electro spyder, let's say the espirit. IS switch (lightens pull from 500g to 50g) and take out the trigger spring. Next put a PPS reg on it. Mod the stock bolt and buy a CiP Assault Block with gauge. Kinetic Board (99bps) with ACE. Then get a CP 1-piece barrel.

Espirit: $90
IS Switch: $10
Trigger Mod: $0
PPS Reg: $90
Bolt Mod: $0
CiP Block: $45
Kinetic Board: $50
CP 1-piece: $45

That's $330, could own a stock impulse. If you insist on the 'blowback = bad accuracy" crap, you can make your spyder a RAM operated marker for $250 more.

That's a whole lot better than an Impulse with all the upgrades to make it good.

[wanabe TOSA]

now if were talkin bps then yes that spyder would own the impulse - but were talkin all-around, the impulse will have lower pressure than the spyder will ever have - already has a fairly good regulator, and has way better internals than what u jus posted

-peace-

[Kingman27]

Originally posted by Plython


Espirit: $90
IS Switch: $10
Trigger Mod: $0
PPS Reg: $90
Bolt Mod: $0
CiP Block: $45
Kinetic Board: $50
CP 1-piece: $45


oooo.plython made a mistake!!

the kinetic board doesnt use a switch..it uses HES...so whats the point of an IS switch the board you have dosnt use a switch?none..

also if your gonna get an awsome spyder..get more than a cp1piece..people think of it is the cheap thing everyone gets..cip block isnt that great..for that price a light striker is better..

you also forgot to inclue a new trigger.it is always over looked..you got your uncapped board,20bps hopper,ect ect and a trigger that you cant pull for more than 2bps?

I recomend the ACP striker and the ACP slasher trigger
Acp is cool

just my input :)

btw,when people say ''just my $0.02''do they mean that?does it really cost 2 cents?:P

[Kingman27]

Originally posted by wanabe TOSA
now if were talkin bps then yes that spyder would own the impulse - but were talkin all-around, the impulse will have lower pressure than the spyder will ever have - already has a fairly good regulator, and has way better internals than what u jus posted

-peace- people have got spyders down to 175psi..

[Plython]

Originally posted by wanabe TOSA
now if were talkin bps then yes that spyder would own the impulse - but were talkin all-around, the impulse will have lower pressure than the spyder will ever have - already has a fairly good regulator, and has way better internals than what u jus posted

-peace-

You can get a spyder down to a respectable level of LP. Kingman27 says its been down to 175. With buying on of the best reg's on the market, it's still cheaper to go with the spyder. And if the internals work why change 'em? But the one comes with new bolt and crap, and that's still cheaper than an upgraded impulse.

I do what works for me, I never have chopping problems or breaks, and all my friends have high end guns and there's too many parts to worry about going wrong (and they do, ask my friend with an e-class orracle). Spyders will always be cheaper and easier to maintain, and can compete as good as other markers.

[Plython]

Originally posted by Kingman27

oooo.plython made a mistake!!

the kinetic board doesnt use a switch..it uses HES...so whats the point of an IS switch the board you have dosnt use a switch?none..

also if your gonna get an awsome spyder..get more than a cp1piece..people think of it is the cheap thing everyone gets..cip block isnt that great..for that price a light striker is better..

you also forgot to inclue a new trigger.it is always over looked..you got your uncapped board,20bps hopper,ect ect and a trigger that you cant pull for more than 2bps?

I recomend the ACP striker and the ACP slasher trigger
Acp is cool

just my input :)

btw,when people say ''just my $0.02''do they mean that?does it really cost 2 cents?:P

The stock trigger doesn't suck, I can pull faster with it than a blade trigger, it's more of a cosmetic and a preference upgrade. You can pull more than 2bps on it :D. My bad I thought HES was optional on the kinetic board. I was trying to keep the price under $300 and still compete with the impulse, but there is better stuff as mentioned.

[wanabe TOSA]

no jus face it - u jus spent 300$ on a trigger job - the impulse would still kill it in the long run

[Plython]

Originally posted by wanabe TOSA
no jus face it - u jus spent 300$ on a trigger job - the impulse would still kill it in the long run

Nope, 50 on a trigger job... the rest is a good reg and LP mods.

You still haven't given us any good reasons why the impulse would kill it.

[wanabe TOSA]

aight give me a night to sleep on it (i will win this):D


-peace-

[nerdcore]

Originally posted by Coenen
BTW, thoughts on this, an Empire Autcocker, will it happen? I mentioned it in the Naughty Dogs thread and no one thought it would. I think that with the way Empire is trying to get the fingers into everything at the moment, it's only a matter of time. could be a possibility. but quite a few companies make cockers yet a lot of people feel wgp can't be topped in this category.

if i had a deciding factor in a marker choice for empire, i'd go with something else. i have no idea what but it wouldn't be cockers - i'd leave that to the wgp.

[chibissj]

I still can't believe they switched....anyhow...I hope this topic stays up for at least a week so I can start replying, cus you know.

I am a master debater.

[pbhippie ben]

Originally posted by chibissj
I still can't believe they switched....anyhow...I hope this topic stays up for at least a week so I can start replying, cus you know.

I am a master debater.

We can have a debate about this.

I say he isnt and that i am better than him a debating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nerdcore]

Originally posted by pbhippie ben
We can have a debate about this.

I say he isnt and that i am better than him a debating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! let's stick to debating about paintball, not debating about debating :P.

but you can start a thread on that in the OT forum ;).

[pbhippie ben]

Ill stick w/ this thread, i am the special and great one who created it!!!!!! All bow to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 muahahahahhaa

[pbhippie ben]

Originally posted by nerdcore
but you can start a thread on that in the OT forum ;).

Actually, good idea. I will start one.