Regarding 3A Products

[Calebd2]

We often times get threads asking about 3A barrels. Jaster and I will usually tell you to do a search to find out why they aren't aloud here than close the thread. Instead of making you search I'm making a thread to tell you the reason.

Andrew's (Our site Administrator) comments on 3A;

Originally posted by Andrew
They (3A) will not be represented by Pbreview.com in any, way shape or form as long as I'm in control.

Employees from the company posted a significant number of positive reviews on their products (without identifying themselves as employees). When I brought it up to them, they denied it, even though I had solid proof that they had. If they had been honest about it I would have let it go.

I am in agreement with Andrew and will carry out his wishes. Any threads created on the topic of 3A will be closed without notice.

I would also like to recommend to you to rethink purchasing a barrel from 3A. I believe it would be much more wiser to buy from a reputable company such as Custom Products, Dye, J&J, Smart Parts, JT, Lapco, PMI, Stiffi, and other fine, reputable companies.

This thread will be added to the Ultimate sticky. If someone makes a thread about 3A you can link them to this thread and report the thread so I or Jaster can close it down.

Thank you for your time.

-Caleb

[Jebedia]

I hate 3A

[chibissj]

Originally posted by Jebedia
I hate 3A

Well said...so do many of us. Believe me, any of their products are just flashy at not well performing. I've shot their barrels...it's like shooting a plastic tube.

Their tanks...it busts o-rings faster than a fat lady in a tight dress...(bad analogy)

Yeh..just don't posts on them because they will be gone...

[\\'arriorr]

yeas, my friends go crazy when they see their hpa tanks in my APG at school, i do myself a favor and rip them otu of every magazine i get that has them in it, i dotn care much at all for their pornographic tanks and t-shirts, it just shows how s*itty they peform, they have to result to women in a small amount of clothes on, to sell a product, i was disapointed to see that in APG'S newest issue febuary or march...they had those tanks in the gearbag, i agree with andrew, no matter what, money ro anything 3a paintball is a disgrace in the products they sell, atlest the women tanks and such,b there is no room in paintball for this IMO.

[gomster]

Wait, who the heck is 3A (never heard of them)?

[p8ntba11dude89]

some really stupid company that makes bad stuff.

:finger: they should burn:pissed: :pissed:

[gomster]

Originally posted by p8ntba11dude89
some really stupid company that makes bad stuff.

:finger: they should burn:pissed: :pissed: Well yeah, duh. I wanted to know like whats there website and how long have they been making Paintball products.

[p8ntba11dude89]

www.3a-paintball.com

nothin a little google cant do.

[gomster]

Originally posted by p8ntba11dude89
www.3a-paintball.com

nothin a little google cant do. Yes but, it is quite easier to ask here since the topic is brought up.

[iboomker]

I posted this a couple of week ago. I don't mean to spam but I think everyone needs to know about this!!!



http://www.pbreview.com/forums/show...threadid=205636


Basicly in the world of ebay... The only thing that seperates the good from the bad is the feedback that customers leave after a transaction. I am sure you would feel much better bbuying something from someone that has a high positive feedback record.
Well...... I found out that our friends at 3A have a little trick to get better feedback... You basicly buy it for pennies. You might ask, how did I find this out? I was looking at buying one of their tanks to I went thru their feedback. I was noisy so I wanted to see what they were buying. It was odd that they bought the same recipe 3 times. Since I've caught on to this I've noticed a lot of their feedback has went private. But look for yourself. Here is a link to the things that 3a has bought on ebay



I am working on an investigation into this. It's nice to work in the media.

3A Scam evidence (http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedbackFromSellers&userid=3a-wholesale&items=200&frompage=-1&item=-1&de=off)

[chibissj]

So 3A also tried to scam people. Sounds like them.

[Jaster]

Originally posted by iboomker
I posted this a couple of week ago. I don't mean to spam but I think everyone needs to know about this!!!


No worries. Thanks for the heads up. You are right that people should know about this. I remember hearing of them doing that too. Stupid... Now there's a company someone should sue.... We should send $mart Part$ a memo... The 3A barrel has the same number of porting holes!!! Go get 'em SP!!! :laugh:

[ImpulseKid366]

Originally posted by Jaster


No worries. Thanks for the heads up. You are right that people should know about this. I remember hearing of them doing that too. Stupid... Now there's a company someone should sue.... We should send $mart Part$ a memo... The 3A barrel has the same number of porting holes!!! Go get 'em SP!!! :laugh:

:laugh: That would be hilarious... and awesome. My friend has a 3a tank... plain and simple it sucks.

[Calebd2]

Originally posted by iboomker
I posted this a couple of week ago. I don't mean to spam but I think everyone needs to know about this!!!



http://www.pbreview.com/forums/show...threadid=205636


Basicly in the world of ebay... The only thing that seperates the good from the bad is the feedback that customers leave after a transaction. I am sure you would feel much better bbuying something from someone that has a high positive feedback record.
Well...... I found out that our friends at 3A have a little trick to get better feedback... You basicly buy it for pennies. You might ask, how did I find this out? I was looking at buying one of their tanks to I went thru their feedback. I was noisy so I wanted to see what they were buying. It was odd that they bought the same recipe 3 times. Since I've caught on to this I've noticed a lot of their feedback has went private. But look for yourself. Here is a link to the things that 3a has bought on ebay



I am working on an investigation into this. It's nice to work in the media.

3A Scam evidence (http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedbackFromSellers&userid=3a-wholesale&items=200&frompage=-1&item=-1&de=off)

That makes me sick. :|

[ImpulseKid366]

i was just talking to one of the 3a forums mods and he said that he remembered hearing them talk about what they did in the 3a employee forums. you all know this by now but i though i should share that with ya'll

[CornMonkey]

Originally posted by ImpulseKid366
i was just talking to one of the 3a forums mods and he said that he remembered hearing them talk about what they did in the 3a employee forums. you all know this by now but i though i should share that with ya'll
you mean about them giving bogus 10's on their tanks here? if that's the case, i'd give a kidney to get a copy of everything they said in their posts..

ok, maybe not a kidney... more like a...strand of hair.

[ImpulseKid366]

Drifter Silvia: well not to make excuses for 3a i mean i dont get a paycheck from them so theres no need for me to lie and stuff
Drifter Silvia: but that was quite some time ago and i remember in the 3a forum 3a emplyees talking about the subject


that was what a mod there said

[Calebd2]

Originally posted by ImpulseKid366
Drifter Silvia: well not to make excuses for 3a i mean i dont get a paycheck from them so theres no need for me to lie and stuff
Drifter Silvia: but that was quite some time ago and i remember in the 3a forum 3a emplyees talking about the subject


that was what a mod there said

Just sickening. :|

[ImpulseKid366]

Originally posted by Calebd2


Just sickening. :|

definatly

[KossaK]

I'll share MY 3A story.

I won one of their coiled remotes off of ebay in june or july of 2003. First, lets clarify the fact that i'm canadian, and my winning bid for the remote was $25 canadian. (~$18 or $20 US at the time)
Anyway. It took forever for them to provide me with the necessary shipping information, including shipping charges. When they finally DID provide it, i found out it was gonna cost me, get this.... $75 canadian to get the remote into my hands.
I was stunned at this. It seems that after a certain amount of my tinkering with the numbers, the way they arrived at this figure was to take the US currency, and convert it to Canadian. Then they seemed to forget they had converted the cost, and then took that number and converted it AGAIN.

Unfortunately, i was required to PAY the money, firstly due to Ebay rules of winning a bid, and secondly due to the fact that i was using a friends paypal and ebay account to make the purchase! (i didnt want to smear his spotless record)

And then i subsequently got anally reamed at the border thanks to customs. My remote finally arrived in september. several months after i "won" (if you call that winning) the auction.

Bottom line, dont buy from 3A. THey seem to be screwing customers left, right and center.
And the Ebay review system someone was talking about? I noticed the same thing. I also noticed they take retribution on the CUSTOMER reviews. they run a little smear campaign by waiting before they submit a review. they repay good reviews with good reviews, and repay bad reviews in the same fashion.

Its a despicable way to run a business. and i use the term QUITE loosely.

[Rotties67]

I was thinking of buying a 3A tank. But no more. I was wondering why they are always so cheap. Thanks again for the info.

[BlueDragonDH]

If you look at the things they bought of ebay alot are for rice crispie squares and caramel brownies:|

[mlk3454]

as of saturday March 13, 2004 at 7:07am they have 1709 total positives with 1342 unique individuals leaving positives, 16 unique individuals who left negatives, and a whopping 25 positives left from buying recipies. So 1% of all of their positives were left from people they bought recipies from...so they buy personal things with that account, 25 out of 1709 is so minimal it doesn't make any difference. Also, to have 16 negatives out of that many isn't bad either. After buying you have 90 days to leave feedback so that would be plenty of time to test out what was bought. Some people have had good experiences while others have had bad but by looking at the ebay record there are a lot more that have had good.

[RagingFuryBlack]

so...how many employees does 3a have?

[DaSpEcSter]

I'll tell you all what I've been wondering...
You know that story about how the lady died from the tank coming unscrewed? I wonder if that was a 3a tank! Sounds like their shotty work. If it is, 3a should be ended. Abruptly.

[Jaster]

mlk3454, while I agree the record of good and bad may be true, it's the fact that they lied in the first place about their products, they continue to lie now, and do some off the wall things to get ratings up on themselves and their products. They've denied buying recipes/brownies... and have said they don't sell or buy on ebay. Obviously that isn't true and now they have a different story. I've been banned from their site twice for asking question about these claims. I got nothing but BS answers and banned. I was even polite about it. I just wanted to hear from them about the comments being made and give a chance to stand up for themselves. I even tried calling them and asking. I got sworn at and hung up by a guy who wouldn't even tell me his name and said he owned the place. I don't care if they lied once or a million times. They lied, fact. They could make the best products in the world, I still won't buy them.

[mlk3454]

DaSpEcSter - it was a co2 tank, not a hpa tank

Jaster - I am not trying to stick up for their business practices as we all can see there is something up with it as well as other comps in the paintball industry lately...I guess all I have to say about 3A is that all the things that I have gotten from them have been plenty good and have not malfunctioned or broken. Granted I am not a pro tourney player that slams the stuff around 4 days a week but for the 2-3 times a month that I play and have owned 3A stuff for almost a year, I dont have a complaint about its quality.

[Jaster]

I've heard about a 50/50 on the actual quality of their stuff. Pretty much the same for everyone I guess, some love it some hate it. Glad your stuff works right. I'm just real big on customer service and company reputation.

[ImpulseKid366]

Originally posted by BlueDragonDH
If you look at the things they bought of ebay alot are for rice crispie squares and caramel brownies:|

Isnt it just recipes?

[Shivors]

First I have heard of the bull**** they pulled here at PBReview.com. Seems very lame IMHO.

As far as their gear is concerned...my brother and I use their 68-4500 tanks and have had absolutley no problems. They shipped quickly in my instance.

I just ordered a 4+3 pack and will post how that goes. Got it for 14 bucks.... (shrug)

After reviewing this thread I will definately be looking for shady behaviour.

[PB0900]

Is it just me, or do their barrels look like ripoffs of Kapp KXS barrels? I think especially the ones that come on their fockers look like Kapp barrels. Their fockers look like ripoffs of DYE cockers in almost every way. They have similar mill, the back block is cut the same way, and even the jewel is in the same spot. Hmmm...

[mlk3454]

the stuff that happened on pbr was over a year ago so hopefully they got their act together about that, as for the barrels I think they look like a cross between an SP with some spiral porting and a Kapp but the ano style is their own (I personally like solid colors)...the cocker bodies are WDP bodies so they are genuine cockers

[PB0900]

Hmm. Didn't know 3A used WGP bodies. I guess I just assumed they made fockers because of their reputation.

[jonezin_nj]

you guys all rock. i'm fairly new to the pb, and i was seriuosly considering a 3a invincible that i had seen on e-bay. there is nothing like explaining to the wife a $100 paypal payment for a pos marker. pbreview rocks.

thanks

[smegle5]

this tread should b stickied

[Shivors]

Updating my previous post. I won the auction for the 3A 4+3 harness on the 2nd, paid via paypal, and they sent a tracking number today. Every step was verified via email. <shrug>

Will post again when the pack gets here and I will update as to the quality.

This is the item I won:

EBay Auction (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3669768417)

FYI....I run a Jacko 3 pod for my rec ball but needed a larger one for scenario games. (sux balls to have to hump a 1/2 mile or more for paint)

As far as their markers....they look like evey other Spyder clone to me. Nothing beats an original Kingman product!

[PB0900]

Originally posted by Shivors
Nothing beats an original Kingman product!

Except a Piranha, but that's just me.

I hate to admit it, but from the pic that does appear to be a pretty nice pack. I'd like to hear how you like it and how it holds up.

[jdolla]

Originally posted by Jaster
I've heard about a 50/50 on the actual quality of their stuff. Pretty much the same for everyone I guess, some love it some hate it. Glad your stuff works right. I'm just real big on customer service and company reputation.

If you think about it, this is prolly a good reason NOT to buy stuff from them. Sure, it might work out and perform great, but it could just as easily suck. If there is that much of a chance for something to not perform, I wouldn't buy it.

[Shivors]

Well...the pack arrived today on time.

Nothing wrong with this pack. Same materials as my Jacko with what looks to be good stitching. The logos are 3D rubber and stand out well. The back of the pack is three layers and has a ton of elastic. The waist band is about 4-5 inches wide and looks to fit up to a 40" belly.

In all honesty the only thing I dont like is that the pod holders dont have elastic like the newer Empire packs. Seeing as I paid $14 + ship, I wont be complaining.

As far as other 3A products I dont know. I have purchased 2 68-4500 tanks and now 2 of these 4+3 packs. Everything went through as advertised with no problems. The only other thing I would consider is a barrel for my backup and a tank cover.(anyone have one to info me on?) . I run a Boomstick on my main and wont be giving that up anytime soon.

As I said before, what they pulled here on PBReview is crap and PBReview is right IMHO to not review their gear. I have had good luck with the gear I have bought and I would buy anything else I might want. (I have been eyeing their tank covers...look tight)

[spyder freek]

Originally posted by RagingFuryBlack
so...how many employees does 3a have?

to many?Lol

My Story ...i was going to get the barrel kit for 60 and i was like what could it hurt?....i l8r ran into a kid who let me use his.

WHAT A PIECE OF CRAP....it was what suposedly a ok paint to barrel match and it was breakin balls lefty and right...i would clean it and it would hook and i couldent hit a wall 30 ft away!(wasnt my paint ethier) they make it look flashy so noobs will buy it,,,and unfortunatly its working (not to mention pervs w/ that tank and shirt bs!)

[firemoth]

You guys are absolutely mistaken about 3a. ^^Any barrel can chop balls! Was it a Spyder? I was chopping balls left and right when I had a Dye barrel on my spyder. It doesn't have to be the barrel.

Also, you guys have no backup whatsoever to any of your claims.

The regulators on 3A tanks are CENTERFLAG and the tanks are LUXFER or another known company. They have 99% Positive feedback on their ebay account. Many positives said something along the lines of "great product."

EVERY person that actually owned a 3A product that I heard from said it was good. I have seen NOBODY who owns a 3A product call it bad. None of you own any products, so how can you begin to judge? You have no backup to your arguments.

Their tanks go brand new about 190 for an 88/4500 (30 less than Dye of equivalent size). Who said anything about cheap? Oh by the way, they also sell plain tanks without the graphics.

I agree that whatever happened a while ago was wrong, but you cannot judge an entire company and it's line of products based on one incident a long time ago.

3A is a new company. Like many other new companies, they need to build a reputation. Even though they made some mistakes, we should quit being such jerks and let them succeed.

Do you want paintball to grow? We need to support new companies.

No I am not working for 3a. I just won my 88/4500 tank off ebay.

Are you aware that there is an online petition to have 3a put back onto this site?

[aznpsycho]

well i guess that 3A barrel my friend bought was not REALLY CROOKED, it must have been some wierd optical illusion......

[aznpsycho]

this should really shed some light IMO.

Originally posted by Nitto
Terrible company. They false advertise on e-bay and somehow get away with it.
If you leave them negative feedback because they screwed the pooch, they will leave you negative feedback and try to make it look like your fault.
Now they email me and asked me to withdraw my negative feedback ROFLOL!

From Me:
I followed your instructions and paid you according to your terms. How did I not follow instructions?You posted a picture of a tank with graffiti on it and did not specify that it was a generic tank, with a seperate cheap sticker,that came seperatly and they were even creased! That according to e-bay is fraud and misrepresentation unless stated in the ad that the picture varies from said product.


Their answer:


We would like to notify you that according to the new eBay rules,
both trading partners are able to resolve the problems with the
negative feedbacks in a more rational way.
That means that if both members agree, the negative feedbacks left
by both of the parties will be mutually withdrawn at the same time.
We are kindly asking you to take advantage of these new rules and
to mutually withdraw the negatives we have both left to each
other.
We are sure that your member profile is as important as it is for us.
Please, take into consideration our offer and contact us if you
think that our proposal is appropriate.

Best regards,
Team

Thank you,
3a-wholesale

[spyder freek]

Originally posted by aznpsycho
well i guess that 3A barrel my friend bought was not REALLY CROOKED, it must have been some wierd optical illusion......


o yours too? :laugh: YA it choped paint in 3 different guns.....1 gun, ok. But when its bad on 3 guns....there might just be sumthin wrong with the barrel.

Firemoth....there tanks from what i hear arnt the greatest and hell u can get a 72ci 3k for 110 new and it will be cheaper still but it also works well(+great customer service)!

And they things they did were wrong and im startin to think maybe there are sum kinda fraud laws they have infringed on

[mlk3454]

you win some and you lose some...can't please everyone. I have had a tank and a couple other items from them and I haven't had any problems with them. I asked them a few questions and got quick responses and was very satisfied by the customer service rep I delt with. So they screwed up in January 2003....it has been well over a year people, they are growing and coming out with more products so they must be doing something right. I just dont understand why people always hate the new companies that come out in paintball. Some of you may remember the same crap happening with Ronin, System X (before they made guns and after), Nitro Duck, Gen X, etc...

[Jaster]

Originally posted by firemoth
You guys are absolutely mistaken about 3a. ^^Any barrel can chop balls! Was it a Spyder? I was chopping balls left and right when I had a Dye barrel on my spyder. It doesn't have to be the barrel.

Actually no barrel can chop. That would be the breach.

Also, you guys have no backup whatsoever to any of your claims.

I would think the kids holding the brand new BENT barrels and the LEAKY tanks would have some back up. Unless of coarse they're just imagining things and that really isn't a leak or bend

The regulators on 3A tanks are CENTERFLAG and the tanks are LUXFER or another known company. They have 99% Positive feedback on their ebay account. Many positives said something along the lines of "great product."

ya' those are good brownie recipes. Makes very sweet and cakey brownies...

EVERY person that actually owned a 3A product that I heard from said it was good. I have seen NOBODY who owns a 3A product call it bad. None of you own any products, so how can you begin to judge? You have no backup to your arguments.

covered this already. Look a little harder. It won't be tough to find unhappy customers. The big reason why they might not hear from unhappy customers is because they hang up on you when you complain and when you try to reach someone on the forum and dis their product you get banned. Happened to me twice so don't tell me it didn't

Their tanks go brand new about 190 for an 88/4500 (30 less than Dye of equivalent size). Who said anything about cheap? Oh by the way, they also sell plain tanks without the graphics.

most tanks are cheaper then Dye's and that price isn't too far off from any other 88/45.

I agree that whatever happened a while ago was wrong, but you cannot judge an entire company and it's line of products based on one incident a long time ago.
um...try multiple incidents over the first year of them being in business and it STILL continues today.

3A is a new company. Like many other new companies, they need to build a reputation. Even though they made some mistakes, we should quit being such jerks and let them succeed.

WE'RE jerks?! Gee I guess they shouldn't have shot themselves in the foot by lying to people and bumping the rating one their products. When a NEW company does that what kind of rep do you think they're going to get. At that moment they built their rep. It take a while to build trust. It takes a second to destroy it. They made they're bed. Time to lay in it.

Do you want paintball to grow? We need to support new companies.
Of coarse we do. Dumb question IMO. Sorry. You've got that backwards though. WE don't have to do anything. Without us they're nothing and don't exist. They provide for us and we buy if we like. Personally, I will NEVER support any company that lied to me. Period. They had their chance and blew it. Paintball needs honest players and companies for the growth of paintball. 3A doesn't exactly fit the profile does it.

No I am not working for 3a. I just won my 88/4500 tank off ebay.
I honestly wish you the best of luck with it and I hope it never fails you. I mean that, no BS. Congrats on the win.

Are you aware that there is an online petition to have 3a put back onto this site?
They were banned from here for breaking the rules of the site. They agreed to these rules upon registering here. This site and/or it's administrators are under no obligation to acknowledge them now and can not be forced to allow them to return because they were rightfully banned in the first place. They can petition all they want. This is a privately owned site. The Admin has final say on who comes and who goes. The petition is completely irrelevant and useless. A million people could sign it along with the President, the Pope, and God and Admin(s) can still say no and no one can can do a damn thing about it.

[teufelhunden]

Originally posted by firemoth
Are you aware that there is an online petition to have 3a put back onto this site?

http://www.e-evil.com/paintball.php

The top article. This is your language warning, right here.

Jaster: :tup:

[firemoth]

I simply mentioned there was an online petition. I do not support it or dislike it, I simply mentioned it was there. Yeah, I agree they are useless and theres no point.

Jaster, they have a total of 25 feedbacks from the brownie recipies out of thousands. All the feedbacks I looked at are 3A paintball equipment. I purposely scrolled through many pages of their feedback, and looked at many items the feedback was left for, and have not found any legitamate negative feedback.

Also, my point in the other statement was not that they manufacture cheap products, but the fact they their prices are comparable to other manufacturers.

I still have NOT heard from ANYONE who owns a 3A product complain about it. No, "my friend" is not a first hand account. Show me some bad reviews! I seriously want to see them. I did many Google searches and came up with nothing. Of course, that isn't helped by the fact that they aren't on this site.

3A barrels are not the only barrels succeptible to being bent. Their equipment is manufactured to the same standards as other companies. I don't think there would be such high demand for their things on ebay if they had a bad record.

I have heard only good things about their products first-hand, and also good things about their customer service. I personally do not understand how stupid they could get and do what they did here on PBR. I completely agree with you guys about that issue. However, it has nothing to do with the quality of their products. Hell, it could have been one person from the company doing it all, and they could have been fired over it. It could just be a big misunderstanding.

^^ mlk3454 is an example I agree with.

[spyder freek]

Props Jaster:elephant:

That takes my post i was gona put up to the next level...your So much greater than I:cry:

[firemoth]

Wow some of you guys really are set on your opinions and your not moving at all...

I will post here with results after I get my tank.

[Calebd2]

Originally posted by firemoth
Wow some of you guys really are set on your opinions and your not moving at all...

3a could have the best, cheapest product in the world, but because of what they did here at PBReview, I will never buy from them. To me, a company being trustworthy is the most important factor. I understand that they were trying to earn a good reputation by writing glowing reviews for them self, but fact is it is still wrong. If they would have admitted what they did when confronted, I may have liked them. But the truth of the matter is they denied it. Even when outstanding evidence was shown. I would not support such a company, no matter how good their products are.

Your right, I don't own any 3a stuff, and it's for a good reason. I have tested their stuff from many of my friends. From what I've used and seen (and I have used a lot of their stuff), I have concluded that their stuff in poor quality. Maybe I'm right, maybe their stuff is crap. Maybe your right, maybe most of their stuff is good and I happened to test a bunch of lemons. But I'd rather buy from a reputable company that I know has quality stuff instead of taking a chance. And quite frankly I could careless if you believed me if these "friends" are real or not.

The bottomline here is, 3a paintball broke the PBReview rules. It is no different than if a member broke the forum rules and got banned. They broke the rules, they were even confronted and given a second chance, but they lied and tried to get around it. Because of this they are banned from PBReview.

[firemoth]

Originally posted by Calebd2


3a could have the best, cheapest product in the world, but because of what they did here at PBReview, I will never buy from them. To me, a company being trustworthy is the most important factor. I understand that they were trying to earn a good reputation by writing glowing reviews for them self, but fact is it is still wrong. If they would have admitted what they did when confronted, I may have liked them. But the truth of the matter is they denied it. Even when outstanding evidence was shown. I would not support such a company, no matter how good their products are.

Your right, I don't own any 3a stuff, and it's for a good reason. I have tested their stuff from many of my friends. From what I've used and seen (and I have used a lot of their stuff), I have concluded that their stuff in poor quality. Maybe I'm right, maybe their stuff is crap. Maybe your right, maybe most of their stuff is good and I happened to test a bunch of lemons. But I'd rather buy from a reputable company that I know has quality stuff instead of taking a chance. And quite frankly I could careless if you believed me if these "friends" are real or not.

The bottomline here is, 3a paintball broke the PBReview rules. It is no different than if a member broke the forum rules and got banned. They broke the rules, they were even confronted and given a second chance, but they lied and tried to get around it. Because of this they are banned from PBReview.

Fair enough I guess.

But I'm just curious, how much and what kind of proof did you guys get about them reviewing themselves? Is it possible it was a misunderstanding?

You know what, I'll send them a kind email asking about this and see how they will respond.

[aznpsycho]

you can track ip's and then match them up w/ 3a reps's ip's

[mlk3454]

if I remember right, caleeb or one of the other mods can correct me if I am wrong, but there were ip matches and that is what got them "caught." I did write a review before they were booted though and mine along with theirs and the others were thrown out. Does suck that a product can't be represented in a big review place but rules are rules...oh and I did have a review for my old impy and that one was deleted for some odd reason as well...

[Nitto]

If you werent the buyer on e-bay how could you tell if it was legitamate?
If you spent your money on something that was falsely advertised or you had issues in any way with them that you did not feel was right, I suppose you would give them positive feedback?
No say a person left them negative feedback for a legit reason, why would 3a feel the need to retaliate with negative feedback for the buyer,after it was proven not to be the buyers fault?
They send negative feedback in retaliation- pure and simple, go look at every negative or neutral feedback they had and see what they left for the buyer....it's pathetic.



Originally posted by firemoth
Jaster, they have a total of 25 feedbacks from the brownie recipies out of thousands. All the feedbacks I looked at are 3A paintball equipment. I purposely scrolled through many pages of their feedback, and looked at many items the feedback was left for, and have not found any legitamate negative feedback.

[firemoth]

This is the result of my email to 3A. Their reply is on top, my message is underneath it.


From : <info@3a-paintball.com>
Sent : Thursday, April 22, 2004 12:04 PM
To : *****
Subject : Fw: The pbreview issue

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Hello

After the first experience we had with Pb Review we are not interested to be
listed in Pb Review.
Yes we posted good reviews, but only because one guy started to leave very
very negative reviews that had no sense. Reviews saying that he had a tank
that had exploded etc...
This guy left 4 or 5 reviews one after the other. Not only this was not
true, but was clearly an attack against us.
We contacted Pb Review, and they didn't do anything when it was clearly
unfair.
We started posting reviews until they blocked us.

We are much more happy banned. We believe our products speak by themselves.
If we have bad reputation, fine. We never sold as much as now, and we know
most people get our products love them, never mind what is being said in
Pb review forum....

A lot of manufacturers and distributors clearly feel danger from us and our
policy. We basicaly sell same products as there's 25 to 50% cheaper. They
are the first ones to speak bad about our products. We now have been selling
our tanks with Center Flag regs for more then a year and they still say the
regs are crap... fine. This is because they know we sell more then 1000
systems per month . probably more then what they sell in a year.

Really, lets stay out of PbReview. I love personaly Pb Review but I believe
that the moderators there are friends with for example crossfire or other
companies and they will never accept we kill there business.

Sincerely
Franck
Sales Manager

----- Original Message -----
From: <wholesale@3a-paintball.com>
To: <info@3a-paintball.com>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:29 AM
Subject: FW: The pbreview issue


>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ****
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 4:52 PM
> To: wholesale@3a-paintball.com
> Subject: The pbreview issue
>
> Hello,
>
> I am emailing to find out about the issue of pbreview banning all of your
> products from being reviewed on their website. For the record, I recently
> bought a tank from you guys.
>
> As you may know, www.pbreview.com is a major website that operates to help
> players in finding out about products in the paintball industry. It
allows
> users to post reviews on just about anything paintball related, and helps
> players with purchasing decisions.
>
> Some time ago, 3A products were listed among the products that were
> reviewable. However, an issue came up that caused all 3A products to be
> removed from the site, and to make it against the rules to even talk about
> 3A products. Apparently, representatives from 3A paintball started
posting
> positive reviews for all of their own products, and when asked about this,
> 3A denied it completely.
>
> I would like an explanation of this, on behalf of myself and all of
> Pbreview. Because of this, your company has earned a very bad reputation.
> This may be your chance to redeem yourselves. We just want an
explanation.
>
> Was it a misunderstanding? Why was it denied?
>
> I am awaiting a response.
>
> Thank You,
> Nick S.

[firemoth]

So basically he is saying that they posted reviews because somebody else kept posting bad reviews that were extreme and untrue and Pbreview did nothing about it.

He also says that a motive behind the bannings is that Pbreview is connected to other manufacturers (which I know probably isn't true).

Notice he admits to his wrongdoings.

Was this before Pbreview implemented the system of filtering out/reporting reviews, and registering before posting?

So what do you think?

[Calebd2]

Originally posted by Nitto
They send negative feedback in retaliation- pure and simple, go look at every negative or neutral feedback they had and see what they left for the buyer....it's pathetic.


I love there responses, it's quite funny.

"Buyer: it was not that fast shipping and also dosen't comunicate alot with you...
Reply by 3a-wholesale: ITEM SHIPPED NEXT DAY AFTER RECV PAY..BAD BUYER!.. DOESN'T KNOW HOW EBAY WORKS. "

In a bad mood today? :laugh:

"Reply by 3a-wholesale: This is senseless!!!
Reply by 3a-wholesale: Shipping mistakes are possible.
Reply by 3a-wholesale: Why Complains????????This is ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!! "

Funny stuff...

[Calebd2]

Originally posted by firemoth
Notice he admits to his wrongdoings.

Was this before Pbreview implemented the system of filtering out/reporting reviews, and registering before posting?

To bad he didn't admit is wrongdoings back when they were confronted.

This was before the review moderators, if that is what you are talking about.

Friends with other companies?? Mmmm, no. I wish I was fortunate enough to have friend in high places.

And personally, I see MANY more crossfire/centerflag/and other brands at my field than others.

Whatever, it doesn't really matter. If they are doing well off with their business, great for them.

[firemoth]

Originally posted by Calebd2


I love there responses, it's quite funny.

"Buyer: it was not that fast shipping and also dosen't comunicate alot with you...
Reply by 3a-wholesale: ITEM SHIPPED NEXT DAY AFTER RECV PAY..BAD BUYER!.. DOESN'T KNOW HOW EBAY WORKS. "

In a bad mood today? :laugh:

"Reply by 3a-wholesale: This is senseless!!!
Reply by 3a-wholesale: Shipping mistakes are possible.
Reply by 3a-wholesale: Why Complains????????This is ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!! "

Funny stuff...

Yeah one has to wonder if the guy is from another country or something...the grammar in his emails was all wierd too..

but anyways, the negatives left WERE for stupid reasons. If somebody left a negative saying "I am trying to pay for my barrel but my Paypal isn't working," (real one) I would be angry too and retaliate.

[firemoth]

Originally posted by Calebd2


To bad he didn't admit is wrongdoings back when they were confronted.

This was before the review moderators, if that is what you are talking about.

Friends with other companies?? Mmmm, no. I wish I was fortunate enough to have friend in high places.

And personally, I see MANY more crossfire/centerflag/and other brands at my field than others.

Whatever, it doesn't really matter. If they are doing well off with their business, great for them.

So basically they were posted before the review moderator's...and they really had no way of fixing these reviews. If somebody posted crap about my company that wasn't true, I would do something about it too.

In my opinion you are punishing the players more than anything else in leaving them out. The company couldn't care less, so whats the point of all this?

[Calebd2]

Originally posted by firemoth


So basically they were posted before the review moderator's...and they really had no way of fixing these reviews. If somebody posted crap about my company that wasn't true, I would do something about it too.

In my opinion you are punishing the players more than anything else in leaving them out. The company couldn't care less, so whats the point of all this?

Writing multiple glowing reviews about themselves wasn't the way to fix it.

Honestly, I am not the guy to talk to about it. If you have a big issue with it, PM Andrew. He is the one who dealt with them.

Oh, and 3a cares alright. :P

[AR55 MtM]

If you think there tanks are bad you should try their barrels its like shooting through a condom :|

[Jaster]

:laugh:OMG that's some funny stuff.... LMAO...:laugh:


I wonder why all those people were writing bad reviews.....Hmmm.....

We didn't like their reviews so we wrote our own that sounded better. What's wrong with that!?

So they didn't like people opinions of their stuff. Too bad. Everyone get's to have one.

Sorry these guys just do not know how to run a business. The guys sounds 12...:laugh: He doesn't even talk professionally.
Maybe this one is just me, but I have never seen a sales guys have a typo in his own name, not include his last name or a contact number and/or email in the signature.

I'm with Caleb...they care. If they're smart anyway. Hmmm... ok maybe they don't care.


Sorry this is just too funny.

[alouba]

i think that email is pure bs, but that's just me
retaliation is not what you do to gain trust
thet're product might be good, but i still wouldn't buy from them
i guess if your so cheap you'll offend your morale just to save money, then go ahead

BTW i tried to pm Andrew about a link in the review page that's not working and apprently he is not accepting private messages. so i guess i/you should just email him

[Jaster]

He gets like a billion a day....:laugh: PM a super or a mod or put a thread in the "suggestions & comments" forum.

[firemoth]

Leaky tanks huh? :P

From : Christopher Park <Sammo@centerflagproducts.com>
Reply-To : <Sammo@centerflagproducts.com>
Sent : Friday, April 23, 2004 12:36 PM
To : ****
Subject : RE: need info about a regulator

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Hi Nick,

The 3A Ace Flow and the 420 Series are exactly the same. Please feel
free to contact me if you have any other questions.

Best Regards,

Christopher "Sammo" Park

CenterFlag Paintball Products
205 Beaver St, #2
Yorkville, IL 60560
Ph: 630.553.2611
Fx: 630.553.2631
Email: sammo@centerflagproducts.com


-----Original Message-----
From: ****
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:07 PM
To: sammo@centerflagproducts.com
Subject: need info about a regulator

Hello,

I am emailing you to request some information about a regulator you guys

manufacture. Specifically the "Ace Flow" for 3A Paintball. I notice
that
it looks very much like the Centerflag 420, am I right? How is the
performance of this "Ace Flow?" Does it match the quality and
performance
of your own branded regulators? Any other details would be appreciated.

I'm awaiting a response.

Thanks,
Nick

[been_splat]

I OWN A 3A Invincible...

The marker works well for the price paid, but I paid too much.

These are the upgrades I had to do to it:

Upgrade barrel - Demon 16" Sniper
Add Regulator - Spyder Regulator (Wanted Plamers couldn't afford it)
Replaced Drop down - Stock was ok, but I wanted something with a little flare
Add Gas through chamber
Add 1/8 - ASA Adapter - Can't put ASA parts in the veritcal feed
Added Empire SAB Reloader

Now for the bad -
Can't add feeder sleve, as the sleve that is on there is threaded onto the marker and a normal sleeve won't fit even if you open it all the way up. And if you do, you risk damaging the threads.

Can't add a sight (for those interested) the loader sits directly infront of the sight line.. JUST BAD, I would have prefered an cocked feed, but I may have to put an elbow on.

No safety switch just Electro on-off
No Tourny switch - So no tourny's with this gun.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
3A - Customer Service
Absolutly without a doubt the worst customer service I have ever seen.

1 - Contact them on their phone, you either get a busy signal or a POS Answering machine

2 - Forums, the moderators have god complex. The mod. who I had a problem with SARGASSO banned me and deleted my account when I was trying to help other people, the only thing I had a problem with was their customer service and I made it known and I got banned ( I guess they don't want the truth coming) and all my posts deleted. When I called the Company and actually talked to someone I told them what was going on and they said that they don't run the forums and they can't controll it. I told them fix it or I am calling the ACLU for violation of my right to Free Speech. Still isn't fixed.

3 - SLOOOOOWWWW Shipping. Took 2.5 weeks to get my order from California to Philadelphia, PA. Shouldn't take that long.

IN short because of the poor customer service NOT the marker. I will NEVER buy FROM 3A ever, and I mean EVER again.


Also look out for a company called: xtreme_super_store
They are on Ebay and they are another distributor for 3A and 3A does shipping for them.

www.x-ss.com

[firemoth]

Originally posted by been_splat

----------------------------------------------------------------------
3A - Customer Service
Absolutly without a doubt the worst customer service I have ever seen.

1 - Contact them on their phone, you either get a busy signal or a POS Answering machine

2 - Forums, the moderators have god complex. The mod. who I had a problem with SARGASSO banned me and deleted my account when I was trying to help other people, the only thing I had a problem with was their customer service and I made it known and I got banned ( I guess they don't want the truth coming) and all my posts deleted. When I called the Company and actually talked to someone I told them what was going on and they said that they don't run the forums and they can't controll it. I told them fix it or I am calling the ACLU for violation of my right to Free Speech. Still isn't fixed.

3 - SLOOOOOWWWW Shipping. Took 2.5 weeks to get my order from California to Philadelphia, PA. Shouldn't take that long.

IN short because of the poor customer service NOT the marker. I will NEVER buy FROM 3A ever, and I mean EVER again.


Also look out for a company called: xtreme_super_store
They are on Ebay and they are another distributor for 3A and 3A does shipping for them.

www.x-ss.com

Well people tend to get the best responses from 3A when using email.

All my messages get answered the next day.

[been_splat]

I must have high standards then because I work in Engineering and any other company that I contact through e-mail gets back to me SAME day.

The customer service just sucks and you can't convince me other wise. If I were you, I wouldn't even attempt it.

[SharkaThon]

Originally posted by been_splat
I OWN A 3A Invincible...

The marker works well for the price paid, but I paid too much.

These are the upgrades I had to do to it:

Upgrade barrel - Demon 16" Sniper
Add Regulator - Spyder Regulator (Wanted Plamers couldn't afford it)
Replaced Drop down - Stock was ok, but I wanted something with a little flare
Add Gas through chamber
Add 1/8 - ASA Adapter - Can't put ASA parts in the veritcal feed
Added Empire SAB Reloader

Now for the bad -
Can't add feeder sleve, as the sleve that is on there is threaded onto the marker and a normal sleeve won't fit even if you open it all the way up. And if you do, you risk damaging the threads.

Can't add a sight (for those interested) the loader sits directly infront of the sight line.. JUST BAD, I would have prefered an cocked feed, but I may have to put an elbow on.

No safety switch just Electro on-off
No Tourny switch - So no tourny's with this gun.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
3A - Customer Service
Absolutly without a doubt the worst customer service I have ever seen.

1 - Contact them on their phone, you either get a busy signal or a POS Answering machine

2 - Forums, the moderators have god complex. The mod. who I had a problem with SARGASSO banned me and deleted my account when I was trying to help other people, the only thing I had a problem with was their customer service and I made it known and I got banned ( I guess they don't want the truth coming) and all my posts deleted. When I called the Company and actually talked to someone I told them what was going on and they said that they don't run the forums and they can't controll it. I told them fix it or I am calling the ACLU for violation of my right to Free Speech. Still isn't fixed.

3 - SLOOOOOWWWW Shipping. Took 2.5 weeks to get my order from California to Philadelphia, PA. Shouldn't take that long.

IN short because of the poor customer service NOT the marker. I will NEVER buy FROM 3A ever, and I mean EVER again.


Also look out for a company called: xtreme_super_store
They are on Ebay and they are another distributor for 3A and 3A does shipping for them.

www.x-ss.com Ummmmmmmm just to tell you, no electronic gun has a safety on it. It's either on or it's not. Also, I have no problems with my 3-A tank. I got it from a co-sponsorship and it is working fine.

[aznpsycho]

hmm.....my jt5.0 has a trigger safety.....

[alouba]

i don't think 3-A is a trustworthy company however good their product may be
but regarding the safety on a electric gun.....i must agree that most low end electric guns just have an on-off botton and no saftey, like my piranha......:P

[mlk3454]

my excalibur is by far not a cheap spyder and it doesn't have a saftey...

[been_splat]

ARGH!!!

I went to remove the bradded steel cable to put on a Assault block, well taking it out stripped the threads. Can't use that anymore and I can't find a microline adaptor for the stock bottom line on the 3A...

[plushdragon]

it a spyder clone so most spyder parts sould fit it.if it is made at the same factory or just a reloabled spyder most spyders are metric fittings not the 1\8 npt(sp) standard fittings used on us made markers.look on 888 paintball or other big pb stores for spyder or metric to standard air fittings.

[paintbuster]

I must have got lucky, I won a auction for one of their Remote Coils about 4weeks ago, I paid them right away,they sent me an e-mail and it got here in 3 days. (I paid $30.50 total for the "ACE FLOW" remote. ) An its been working great......so far :rolleyes:

[SonixManiac21]

So you guys are telling me that I just bought a piece of crap barrel for $30 off of 3A? I will make sure to post my results of this barrel when I test it out this weekend!

http://www.angelfire.com/wrestling3/miz/SonicDouche21.JPG

[notaHUGEnoob]

A few things.........

1. If the invincible is a spyder clone like plushdragon said, then they do have tournament locks(or at least mine does). You have to remove the plastic grip part(like you were taking out the batteryand removing a small little plack piece. When u remove it, there should be two thin rods that the black part would have covered.

2. I have a 3a two-piece KO barrel and it shot fine (even shot someones foot from the side of a spool from about 50 ft. away.

3. http://www.petitiononline.com/paint3a/petition.html

I didnt write it but i did sign it, a few of you who posted should too.

[been_splat]

Originally posted by plushdragon
it a spyder clone so most spyder parts sould fit it.if it is made at the same factory or just a reloabled spyder most spyders are metric fittings not the 1\8 npt(sp) standard fittings used on us made markers.look on 888 paintball or other big pb stores for spyder or metric to standard air fittings.

Well I took a look and didn't come up with much on the metric fittings. The only thing I could find was a WGP - MALE/MALE Adapter.

So I may have to use that when I make my connection to the drop down.

I ordered a MacroLine kit and I have some loctite so I will get my air tight feed...

Also I have a Assault BLock on the way, I found my 1/8 to ASA adapter was leaking..

[been_splat]

Originally posted by notaHUGEnoob
A few things.........

1. If the invincible is a spyder clone like plushdragon said, then they do have tournament locks(or at least mine does). You have to remove the plastic grip part(like you were taking out the batteryand removing a small little plack piece. When u remove it, there should be two thin rods that the black part would have covered.

2. I have a 3a two-piece KO barrel and it shot fine (even shot someones foot from the side of a spool from about 50 ft. away.

3. http://www.petitiononline.com/paint3a/petition.html

I didnt write it but i did sign it, a few of you who posted should too.

There is a reson why the 3A products are not being reviewed. Read the posts and you will see why.

I choose to abstain from the petition.

[Jaster]

Originally posted by firemoth


Well people tend to get the best responses from 3A when using email.

All my messages get answered the next day.


Try complaining about something or telling them you have an issue with something you bought from them and see what happens. They'll change their tone with you very quickly.


originally posted by been_splat
I must have high standards then because I work in Engineering and any other company that I contact through e-mail gets back to me SAME day.

Got the same standards. It's not just you. Good business and common sense.


The trigger safety thing. Most electro's don't have safeties per say. Turning it off IS the safety.

That petition. You're wasting your time to even bother reading it. I'm not saying don't do it or sign it, that's your choice. All I'm saying is that it WILL NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE. God himself could sign it and nothing will change. Two reasons why.
1. This is a private site and the Admin has the right to say who is here and who isn't and is not governed by anyone but himself.Considering the amount of grief they caused over the whole thing in the first place and flat out lying about what had happened I'm pretty sure you can all guess the answer from Admin about 3A coming back.
2. Even if that wasn't the case, 3A was banned for violations of the site's rules on several occasions. Reviewing and boosting their own product reviews with false information, spamming up threads, and flaming other members who voiced a negative opinion of their products and swearing at other members. Those rules were agreed upon registering to become a member of the site. The penalty for violating those rules is permanent banishment. They agreed to that too. They have ZERO legal leverage. Even if every one on the planet signed it except him it still will not change anything. Fact : 3A will not be a member of this site. Ever.

[madd]

thanks guy... definately wont buy their tanks. ill go for a nice quality product from crossfire. i may bargain with their tank covers. is it possible to mess up a tank cover?

[firemoth]

Read this.

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=490947

[alouba]

um, there is nothing intresting there, or anything we haven't already talked about

[balu]

I started playing paintball about 1 month ago. It would have been nice to read their reviews here. Not saying that I would have purchased the product, but I really was considering to buy one of thier guns on ebay. I think it would have been nicer if you had it up, because since I didn't see a review for them up here I automaticaly considered them bad(not saying they're good iether). Let people express their opinions. It will help other(that's what you're here for, right?)

On another note. I love this site. It has really helped me purchase some great equipment for great prices. Still don't know enough about 3A to buy their products, but so tempting.
Thanx :D

[nerdcore]

Originally posted by balu
Let people express their opinions. It will help other(that's what you're here for, right?)The products would still have a place in the reviews forum for players to post reviews if the company themselves didn't write bogus reviews for their own products. so it's no longer a matter of quality, it's a matter of ethics. then again, lots of people agree that 3A products are crap, regardless.

[firemoth]

People what happened happened a LONG TIME ago! The company has changed since then.

This is like saying "I'm not buying a Toyota because 20 years ago I had one and they wouldn't fix my tire for free when it got flat."

[nerdcore]

Originally posted by firemoth
People what happened happened a LONG TIME ago! The company has changed since then.

This is like saying "I'm not buying a Toyota because 20 years ago I had one and they wouldn't fix my tire for free when it got flat." well if people wanted, they could contact Andrew about it.

[STO Balla 22]

Is it really that big a deal? They knew the rules coming into this site, everyone does. They were punished for breaking the rules, just like Pbreview would punish anyone else. You can try to argue, but it's not going to work. There are consequences for actions, they get the consequences. And regardless if their products are good or not, they have Japanese Cartoons all over their website and on their tanks in skimpy clothes. That makes paintballers look like pervs and losers who can't get their own girl. :finger:

[Jaster]

Balu... the review of the 3A products would not have helped you. Had you read them, you would have thought they were the greatest thing since sliced bread. The biggest problem was that it wasn't customers writing the reviews... it was the owners of 3A and it's employees.

Opinions are great...when they're honest.


Originally posted by firemoth
People what happened happened a LONG TIME ago! The company has changed since then.

This is like saying "I'm not buying a Toyota because 20 years ago I had one and they wouldn't fix my tire for free when it got flat."

And you know they've changed soo much how exactly? And no they haven't. You think this is the only site they've done this to? Go check other pb sites and look for things about 3A. You're going to hear the same story over and over and over again. I think you example is a bit off IMO. You're not talking apples to apples here. It's not so much Toyota wouldn't fix the flat, it's more like they said they would replace it but used "fix-a-flat" instead and charged me for a whole new tire anyway. Meanwhile the tire is still friggin flat. If Toyota had done 1/2 of what 3A has, they would be a automotive super power.
This wan't that long ago either. We're talking a few months since the ebay issues, under a year for the spam attacks thing here... just over a year for the review thing....not exactly ancient history. There responses to honest questions is appalling and down right insulting, they're customer service is rude at BEST (when they get around to answering the phone and right before they hang up on you, they flat out lie to people and then deny it... I'm sorry to say but it's going to take you getting screwed over to realize the caliber of the company you're fighting so hard to defend. I honestly and truly hope that never happens (I know we don't see eye to eye on this, but I never want to see a fellow baller get taken advantage of) but sooner or later their true colors will come out and you'll get burned. They are truly not worthy of your loyalty or diligence. There are others that are much more deserving.

[STO Balla 22]

Well said, Jaster. With so many other products out there at comprable prices, why not buy a product from a company that you know and trust?

[spammersdie]

That makes paintballers look like pervs and losers who can't get their own girl.

Well, that pretty much sums up Timmy owners!!! :laugh:

JUST KIDDING Hold your fire.... :laugh:

[STO Balla 22]

Bahahah....don't disrespect Timmies! :mad: No I'm just kidding man, nice joke.

[balu]

True!!! But it would be nice to read some honest reviews about them(found none so far, always bias one way), since they are all over ebay.

[Jaster]

Originally posted by spammersdie
Well, that pretty much sums up Timmy owners!!! :laugh:

*finger accidentally slips and hit's ban button...*

Oops...*tries to look innocent* ...oh gee... sorry spammersdie...



:P

[crazyone777]

I have had the misfortune of having dealt with them their material is at best not good enough to be called a knock off
better than five weeks had passed before I got my knock off barrel set was left inappropriate feedback by them for leaving factual and chronologicly correct neutral feedback for them
they have been kicked off e-bay under multiple variations of the 3a e-bay name AAA, three A, triple A for the same things over and over again
THEY ARE LYING THIEVES AND AS CROOKED AS IT GETS AND THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED!!!
DO YOURSELVES A FAVOR AND DO NOT SUBJECT YOURSELF TO THE THE AGGREVATION YOU WILL HAVE TO ENDURE.
Sorry I know the subject has been done to death but
After what I went through with them I had to speak up
there is no limit to how low they will go including but not limited to boldfaced absolute total lies and unjustified retaliatory feedback

[firemoth]

Originally posted by crazyone777
I have had the misfortune of having dealt with them their material is at best not good enough to be called a knock off
better than five weeks had passed before I got my knock off barrel set was left inappropriate feedback by them for leaving factual and chronologicly correct neutral feedback for them
they have been kicked off e-bay under multiple variations of the 3a e-bay name AAA, three A, triple A for the same things over and over again
THEY ARE LYING THIEVES AND AS CROOKED AS IT GETS AND THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED!!!
DO YOURSELVES A FAVOR AND DO NOT SUBJECT YOURSELF TO THE THE AGGREVATION YOU WILL HAVE TO ENDURE.
Sorry I know the subject has been done to death but
After what I went through with them I had to speak up
there is no limit to how low they will go including but not limited to boldfaced absolute total lies and unjustified retaliatory feedback

Its "knock-out" not "knock-off." Also, how do you know they were kicked off? I find it extremely hard to believe that they are so bad when they have thousands of good feedbacks and only 20 or so neutral or negative...

I just bought a 3A tank. I just got it, filled it, and shot it on my Angel. No problems. No aggravation. I'm sorry about what happened to you, but it can happen to anybody using any company, not just 3A. Thieves? How can you call them thieves? What did they steal from you?

Jaster, I have posted things about 3A on other sites such as Pbnation, and have gotten ONLY GOOD responses about 3A. This is the ONLY site where I've seen so much hatred toward them.

Yeah I would be pissed if they left me negative when I left them neutral, but maybe I would have tried emailing them first to resolve the issue...they always respond to my emails in a friendly manner. I never tried calling them.

[CnCmaster4life]

Hi, I've owned one of 3A's Tanks from the time b4 the ace flows, so far its been working great (cept when the stock gauge poped) Personally I agree that 3A was Banned from PB review for breaking the rules, but Really I regret buying a 3A tank when I could have just spent and extra 20 bucks for a crossfire or Pure Energy. If you really want one of their Tanks then go ahead, its your money. As for their barrels I can't say fore I have never shot one.

[crazyone777]

I have responded to multiple threads on this same subject do a search on 3a and start reading and you will come to undertsand just exactly how they can be a lousy as they are and how they got so many feedbacks the statements about them being kicked off e-bay under different variations of the 3a name is factual.
I'm happy for you that had a good experience with them but consider yourself extremely lucky becasue you are the exception rather than the rule

[Shivors]

it really sux you guys are having such a bad problem with 3A. I have purchased two 72/4500 tanks, two 5+4 packs, a tank cover, and a 4 piece barrel set**. So far I have had decent shipping times and no problems. All of of the gear is good to great. (**I have not used the barrel set yet)

I will continue to buy their products without worry.

http://www.sfssquad.com/images/temp/electra_dx.gif

[chinqlinq89]

All i want to know is are they now trustworthy on eBay? Their feedback is almost 4000 and i bet most of that wasnt fake. im plannin to buy a tank from them over ebay but i dont wanna get ripped from them like some people supposedly did. so if someone has recently bought off of them from ebay, could you tell me how it went?

heres their feedback on ebay:
http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=3a-wholesale

btw theyve been doin ok with this account since oct. 2003

[CoolT]

Originally posted by chinqlinq89
All i want to know is are they now trustworthy on eBay? Their feedback is almost 4000 and i bet most of that wasnt fake. im plannin to buy a tank from them over ebay but i dont wanna get ripped from them like some people supposedly did. so if someone has recently bought off of them from ebay, could you tell me how it went?

heres their feedback on ebay:
http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=3a-wholesale

btw theyve been doin ok with this account since oct. 2003

October 2003 is not a very long time. Some one found out that they get a lot of their feedback by selling recipes and stuff like that. Obviously they can't screw over everyone or even a majority, but from the stories I hear, I wouldn't even think about ordering from them. They are a really shady company and you get what you pay for. Unfortunately, performance does not come at a low price.

[mlk3454]

If you click on the feedback from sellers tab you will see all the feedback that they got from buying things off of ebay. So they have 25 positive feedbacks and most of them were for some sort of baking recipe. I wouldn't say that 25 out of 4000 is most rather than one of the employees doing a little personal work. I have bought a tank, barrel, harness, and tank cover over ebay and never had a problem with the items or with the seller. It is your money so do what you want with it....

[Shivors]

I bought two 5+4 packs from them about 3weeks ago. They ship in about 3-4 days and I get 3-4 days after that. Seems reasonable.

BTW the packs are decent and well worth the 14.00 and 19.00 I paid for them.

[chinqlinq89]

Alright well I was planning to get a tank and some pads from them over eBay because theyre being sold for like $10 each, but the catch is that they charge $10 shipping for something that weighs like a pound or less so i emailed them asking if they could ship the knee and elbow pads together to save shipping costs. what they said was that i should call them after i won the 2 auctions. so i wasnt so sure if they would really do it because they couldve easily said "no we cant do that" after my bids won.

[mlk3454]

I dont know if they have changed their policy but I had my two harnesses shipped together and what they did was charged me regular shipping and then half of the second one.

[ace6160]

3a's tanks have gotten to be a lot better, because now they're using centerflag regs.

[CoolT]

The performance of their tanks is good because of that, but it doesn't solve anything in the area of their shady business practices.

[Shivors]

I am very bored ATM and have been reading the complaints on EBay feedback. So far they primarily deal with the fact that 3A takes 5-7 days to ship but they post that on the item pages. I am also seeing a few where morons cant use a simple Andale checkout. Doesnt seem right IMHO.

The rest look like typical problems. Guess I am a lucky boy.

[crazyone777]

thats because you don't have any better knowledge of them than you do and believe what they say in their response to neutral or neg feedback left for them, heres a lil newsflash for ya THEY LIE LIKE THIEVES
I've bought from them and promise you that anything that comes out of their mouths is a total BS! lie, they are coverin their *****e$. if you believe everything you read then buy from them and in a month when your stuff shows up if it shows up and they have slammed you with retaliatory feedback for questioning where your stuff is, read their feedback again and then tell us what you think

[Shivors]

I read through approx 2000 feedbacks and read the neatrals and negatives. 80% of those were people who cant read the shipping info. They ship in 5-7 days and then you wait on UPS. I also see a few where people arent bright enough to use the Andale payment system which in the end uses paypal. The rest appear to be damaged goods. Out of 1875 feedbacks left in the past month there are only 21 negative. I didnt see any questionable feedbacks like the recipe thing in the first 2000 or so I looked through.

Sorry you hate them so much for whatever they did to you but I have had perfect dealings with them and so far their products are decent. I can see they appear to have screwed some people over here and there and that sux *** but based on the numbers and my own experiences I like them and will buy anything with confidence.

Overall the only thing I really dislike is that they take to GD long to ship. I won a four piece barrel set for my spyder and it took them 5 days to ship.

[firemoth]

Originally posted by crazyone777
thats because you don't have any better knowledge of them than you do and believe what they say in their response to neutral or neg feedback left for them, heres a lil newsflash for ya THEY LIE LIKE THIEVES
I've bought from them and promise you that anything that comes out of their mouths is a total BS! lie, they are coverin their *****e$. if you believe everything you read then buy from them and in a month when your stuff shows up if it shows up and they have slammed you with retaliatory feedback for questioning where your stuff is, read their feedback again and then tell us what you think

Thats because you shouldn't leave bad feedback until you sort it out with them first!!

seriously.....this goes for anyone. They wouldn't leave bad feedback for you unless you left bad feedback for them!

There are no shady business practices. You bid, you win, you pay, and you get the product. There are no mislabelings, or lies in any of that.

If there are any problems...EMAIL THEM...they respond every day to emails.

[Jaster]

you sure you don't work for them in some way shape or form...:eyes:

You protect them like an angry momma bear protects her cubs...:laugh:

No offense or anything but you're fighting a loosing battle here bud. For most of us, our first encounter(s) with 3A was less then agreeable. (I'm being extremely polite there) They did in fact lie, cheat, and try to play a game on peeps. That CAN NOT be argued. If they've changed, good for them. Even still, most of us will never trust or deal with them because of their past track record and history. The old saying "takes a life time to build trust and a second to destroy it" takes a president here. If they manage to get newer customers with good reasons, that's good, but I'll tell you this, I'll make sure everyone knows their past.

[alouba]

Originally posted by firemoth


seriously.....this goes for anyone. They wouldn't leave bad feedback for you unless you left bad feedback for them!

umm..that would be called blackmail!:finger::banghead:
sounds like you're becomming a :pinocch:

[crazyone777]

It's a little hard to work out ANY gripes with someone who refuses to answer countless e-mails and phone calls both thru ebay and their ebay store address, the bottom line is THEY SUCK, THEY LIE, AND THEN LIE ABOUT THE FACT THEY
LIED. Dude they've been kicked off ebay like 3 times under different variations of the 3a name why? BECAUSE THEY SUCK AND THEY LIE. and their stuff is knockoff garbage
that should be thrown back in the same dumpster they found it in.
IMHO anybody that has left neg feedback for 3a is well justified in doing so but 3a has been kicked out of ebay so many times they have to threaten you in their auction listings with mutual neg feedback no matter how justified you are for leaving it to cover their own asses so they don't get booted out again.
they totally suck so they use intimidation tactics to keep the negs to a minimum rather than practice good buisness and give people WHAT THEY PAID FOR for in a TIMELY manner.
FURTHER MORE ANYBODY THAT WOULD CONSIDER ANYTHING 3A SELLS TO BE OF ANY QUALITY doesn't expect much in return for the money they spend, they charge top shelf price for extremely poor knockoffs of far superior quality products.
don't believe their BS their stuff is and will remain very poor quality JUNK, if your gonna thow ur money away take it out in the front yard and burn it at least you'll get something useful out of it like heat which is ten times more than could be said for 3a

[korned]

I never dealt with 3a on ebay and i don't own a barrel from them. I have seen some of there barrels and they don't look anywhere near as bad as some people make them sound, the one i got shot with last week seemed to work pretty damn good. I do own a 3a nitro tank, 68/4500, and i don't know if anyone else has figured this out yet, but there tanks ARE Crossfire tanks with Crossifre regs and different graphics on the side. I've had it for 4 months and it works great.

The customer service on ebay might be horrible but if you buy there tanks at a store you get a top quality tank for a lot less money.

[STO Balla 22]

Nobody is arguing that 3A has changed or is trying to, but I would rather spend some extra money to buy a product from a reputable company that doesn't have anime all over its tanks and website. I don't care if you can get the tanks without the girls on them, it's still bad for paintball's already skewed image. It's like buying a Marilyn Manson CD that's edited and saying that you're not really supporting him/her :confused: . Just because it doesn't have it on there doesn't mean the company isn't made up of a bunch of weirdos that fantasize about cartoon girls. :eek2:

[firemoth]

Originally posted by crazyone777
It's a little hard to work out ANY gripes with someone who refuses to answer countless e-mails and phone calls both thru ebay and their ebay store address, the bottom line is THEY SUCK, THEY LIE, AND THEN LIE ABOUT THE FACT THEY
LIED. Dude they've been kicked off ebay like 3 times under different variations of the 3a name why? BECAUSE THEY SUCK AND THEY LIE. and their stuff is knockoff garbage
that should be thrown back in the same dumpster they found it in.
IMHO anybody that has left neg feedback for 3a is well justified in doing so but 3a has been kicked out of ebay so many times they have to threaten you in their auction listings with mutual neg feedback no matter how justified you are for leaving it to cover their own asses so they don't get booted out again.
they totally suck so they use intimidation tactics to keep the negs to a minimum rather than practice good buisness and give people WHAT THEY PAID FOR for in a TIMELY manner.
FURTHER MORE ANYBODY THAT WOULD CONSIDER ANYTHING 3A SELLS TO BE OF ANY QUALITY doesn't expect much in return for the money they spend, they charge top shelf price for extremely poor knockoffs of far superior quality products.
don't believe their BS their stuff is and will remain very poor quality JUNK, if your gonna thow ur money away take it out in the front yard and burn it at least you'll get something useful out of it like heat which is ten times more than could be said for 3a

I got what I payed for in a timely manner.

Centerflag tank...no complaints....you cant complain about their quality if you dont even know how good or bad it is...

What knockoffs? I havent seen any knockoffs by them.

I dont care if they ever got kicked off ebay, I'm talking about the company NOW, not before.

How long ago was your problem...if you ever even had one?

[Shivors]

Just got my 4pc Knockout barrel set and it is decent. The anno isnt perfect but it looks straight with all three backs screwed in. Will test in a week or so and as the other things in this thread...will let you know how I like it.

This is the 6th time I have ordered from them with no problems. <shrug>

Guess it sux to be you.

[crazyone777]

guess ya don't know much about ur gear or expect much for ur money all I can say is come ballin with us we'd be happy to show ya the difference,remember pain is the price ya pay for stupidity, then again if ur used ta buyin junk thats all ya got to compare it to so you wouldn't know the difference anyway so why my wastin my time

[Shivors]

Hehehehe...what a jack*****.

I have been playing since '90 and know my gear inside and out thanks. So just state your mindless opinions and hush.

Everything I have purchased from 3A has been of good quality. I havent shot the new barrel set so I cant say about it's performance yet but it "appears" nice. If it sux then I will be the first to be right back here to bash the hell out of it.

[crazyone777]

I was pickin at ya hope the set works out for ya, mine sucked but that doesn't mean yours will, I got mine proppin up mummas tomato plants, best use I could find for it

[crazyone777]

Mindless????
how do you figure, I gave honest comparisons to similarly priced barrels from other mfgrs that are currently in my store I'll be the first to admit nobodys ever accused me of not being painfully honest which i'm told is a bit abrasive at times but never the less,
Who knows maybe I got shafted with a bad set, but I'm certainly not going to buy 3 or 4 sets to try, just to be able to rule out that possibility
3a burned me once and it's the first last and only time for them.
I made the comprison based on the set they sent me thats all and it didn't measure up very well at all, if you like their stuff buy it by all means. but the forum is about givin people the heads up on stuff they've tried and who they bought from and can give a first hand information about it so people CAN make an informed decision on what and who to buy from safely AND get the quality they paid for
as far as 3a goes every flaming remark I've posted about them is the absolute truth straight from some pretty big fish in the industry that have first hand knowledge of them from day one as well as my own experience with them.
I don't see how that could possibly be conceived as mindless

[aznpsycho]

game, set, and match crazyone777 :D
that's my tribute to the french open =)

[Shivors]

Sounds like someone needs a big ol hug from mommy.

I'll wait here.

:laugh:


Since you obviously didnt follow my post as intended I will ellaborate for you so you dont throw another hissy fit. When I said "state your mindless opinions" it was in reference to you thinking you know anything about me, my gear, or my knowledge of paintball gear.

[crazyone777]

LOL now now don't cry it'll fog your goggles

[Shivors]

Gee....I was kinda hoping for a bit of witty banter and you come with that weakness...


<KABOSH>

You are ignored.

[crazyone777]

Dude your takin this way too serious and completely out of context it's obvious your gig is having to get the last word in to save face for not having a point, pretty juvenile if ya ask me, well alright then if it makes ya feel better go ahead I don't care ,means absolutely nothing to me, it's obvious this is going nowhere and is anything but productive so I guess it's your turn to say something ignorant

[Chew]

I have a 3a ko two piece and i've had no problem with it. That does not mean that i like them as a company. I bought my barrel before i herd about all this. The company is bad for paintball i agree but don't attack their product attack the company. If your going to do something stop it at the root of the problem. Don't make fun of the products unless you've really used one.

[CoolT]

Originally posted by crazyone777
guess ya don't know much about ur gear or expect much for ur money all I can say is come ballin with us we'd be happy to show ya the difference,remember pain is the price ya pay for stupidity, then again if ur used ta buyin junk thats all ya got to compare it to so you wouldn't know the difference anyway so why my wastin my time

You basically just said that he knows nothing about paintball. You can't expect him to take offense to it when he doesn't know your just joking around, if you were. He a right to praise 3A just as much as you have a right to bash 3A. I'm not taking sides, I'm just saying that you need to respect what other people say as long as it's sensible. I can see if he said "I JSt GOT 3A BARREL = 1337!!!!!!", but he didn't.

[CnCmaster4life]

omg...if he did say 3a barrel=l337 I would have flamed him like a marshmellow near a campfire in the hands of a fat kid...

[crazyone777]

Ya know what; in a nutshell as politely as I can possibly put it so as not to offend anybodys feminine sensitivitys here
3a sucks-- bottom line, kinda like puttin a Ferrari hood medallion on a fiero if it makes you feel better about yourself go ahead but it's still a fiero and 3a is a superb example of that fine ya wanna buy all that garbage hype and think it's all that go ahead, nobody cares especially the guy with the legitimate stuff thats gonna messy up your goggles up for ya
when your 3a knock off crap is hookin and swervin and breakin paint.
anybody with any Common sense is gonna listen or at least take notice of information posted by dudes who've taken the time and expense to compare one product to another
especially with regard to 3a but some of the knuckleheads in here are more concerned with being the big dog in the forum and posting "the Last word" whether it be right or wrong but Just So they have The Last Word, to those guys I say
screw that 3a junk on your spyder fill ur hopper with that wal-mart tournement grade blue streak paint you like so much and pray you don't come up against somebody shootin the good stuff---- cuz ur gonna get wasted, FACT and your not even sensible enough to realize when somebody is trying to help you out by steering you away from their own personal mistakes, people like that deserve to get goggled CLOSE range when they are cleaning the poop out of their barrel.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[toolbandfan]

Crazyone, there is no way you were born in 1964 with your grammar.


How many 3A products have you actually used? It sounds like your basing this off all the people that shot you with their 3A products. Everybody is entitled to their own beliefs and you have the right to argue. Still, if you are going to argue with anybody at least try not to sound like every other 13 year old child on this site.

[crazyone777]

Hey nobody cares what you buy if you like 3a stuff buy it
but don't flame the guys who don't like 3a or the stuff they
sell, I do have their barrel set and have done a good bit of comparison to other sets I have on the shelf, my opinion of them is based on fact even if my grammar does suck
If you're not prepared to hear the answer in it's rawest
form don't ask the question

[Shivors]

Whelp....played a scenario game yesterday and it was the first time I had a chance to use the 4pc barrel set from 3A.

All in all it performed just as well as my Boomstick except for one correctable problem. It is relatively quiet (both for the shooter and at a distance) and just as accurate in side by side comparison.

The downside is the barrels finish. I noticed that when I used an older swab that it kept leaving fiber strands when I cleaned the barrel after a chopped ball. Just now I was cleaning my gear and noticed that the porting has what appears to be excess residue from the anodizing process. I used a set of micro files to clean them up and corrected the problem but it is mildly irritating because it wouldn't allow me to clean the barrel thoroughly.

On the whole I am impressed with the barrels performance but irritated for the lack of polish. The backs appear to be relatively accurate as far as sizing goes. I would say they are worth the 50 bucks I paid.

[been_splat]

3A is a joke and they are getting sued. Ebay is keeping a very close eye on them as they too are being implicated in the lawsuit for providing a mechnaism to commit fraud. Why you may ask? Well Ebay charges for listing the item on their website and when the item ends they charge a final value fee, which means that the seller needs to pay them more for selling their item based on the complete transaction.

hmmm.. Sounds like a conspiracy charge as well..

Need to call the attorney again...

[mlk3454]

so who is sueing 3A....must be smart parts :eek: :pissed:

[alouba]

nope, just everyone else

[been_splat]

Read my past posts and you will figure out who and why.

And for commenting on 3A. I have their products, Used their products and they absolutley SUCK DONKEY BALLS. I had to put a bunch of money in my marker from it to shoot right. And I had to replace their barrel because it terrible accuracy.

So I will not, should not buy a product from 3A anymore.

As for my next barrel set, probably a Empire Set. I had a chance today to borrow a set for a couple of rounds and loved it. I think I am going to save my pennies...

[xautocockersx]

hey guys does the paintball brand really matter? because ive seen brands selling 2000 balls for 80$ or 60$. and ZAP or SPANK is like 30$ or 40$ whats the differnce? i mean to me it's as long if it shoots out then thats good enough. right? what am i missing here?

[aznpsycho]

you're missing out on the quality of the shell (how reliable are the breaks and how brittle are they) and the quality of the fill (ever heard of no wipe fills?).

buy some blue streaks at your local walmart and then compare them to some zap tork or diablo blaze/midnight, you'll see a huge difference.

[crazyone777]

toolbandfan lemme spell it out for you, you obviously aren't reading the posts in their entirety, in just about every positive account of 3a stuff the author describes what he/she had to do to correct problems with the item they purchased from them.
Do you not see a problem with this, as far as my owning
3a stuff, yes I do own their 10 pc barrel set and have compared it to many others and it's the first last and only item of theirs I'll ever own, now as far as how many different products I own of theirs thats limited to just the barrel set and the reason for that is simply this if their top of the line barrel set is made that poorly to where I or anyone else have to grind and polish and and do the fit and finish work that should have already been done when it left their hands
do I really want more of their stuff?, now I don't know about anybody else but when I spend my money I want to be able to take it out of the box and use it not spend half a day fixing it, and I'm certainly not numb enough to buy more of it.
Think about it " this barrel set shoots as good as my boomstick but I had to grind burrs off the porting and the ano sucks but it's as good as any other barrel" and on and on, to me that whole statement is an oxymoron.
If you are going to make a counterpoint make it factual not argumentive.
As far as getting shot with 3a stuff
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
dude you fell and hit your head on something solid cuz that statement is just dense, but I'll tell ya what seeing as how you like the 3a stuff so well I'll sell ya the 10pc set I have
and give ya a screaming deal on it, I can't even give it away around here:D

[tippMANntech]

qwwho cares as far as the ebay thing thats bogus out of the


7249 transactions they have got feedback fpr 24 where 100% positive from sellers how hard is it to pleese a seller pay him and u get a + look at the fraction 24 out of 7249 you are lame


ima buy nothing but 3a to spite you goons


i can understand if you could give facts but you give crap like "they left there own feedback boooo hoooo" who cares its not like they plant bombs in there tanks or lodge a rock in there barrels so you gotta get em otu so they arnt fair boo hoo life isnt fair go cry a river

[crazyone777]

yeah and in a month from now if you get your stuff from them you can tell us all how wonderful you think it is when you get done fixin all of it:D

[tippMANntech]

i was expecting that reply but im not really buying there stuff i already have 20 handfulls of barrels and more tanks than the US army

[crazyone777]

LMAO yeah me too, when it comes to 3a I'm their enemy #1
I hate the idea of anyone else getting burned by them
paintball stuff is expensive enough as it is without adding insult to injury by selling them the kinda stuff 3a is putting out there that and their taillight warrantee

[Jaster]

Who cares what their ebay rating is? They deal with themselves and different screennames (which is why ebay is currantly watching them...again) Look folks I don't understand the problem here. They lie to their customers. This is a fact. They boost their own ratings by creating multiple accounts and doing their own reviews. Also a fact. If you want to give your money to a company like that, your problem. As for me... you can't tell me the truth, I can't give you my money. I don't care if God himself made the product and it's the absolute best thing to hit the world of paintball. You lie, your done. No questions. I work to hard for my money to give it to some a-hole that's going to do nothing but lie to me and give me junk and half-arse done orders.

[Shivors]

Just got back from D-Day 04 and all of my gear held up to a damn intense couple of days of use.

The 3A gear I used worked perfectly. My 72/4500 tank, my 5+4 pack and my 3A tank cover.

Again...it must suck to be you guys because my 3A gear works great.

[aznpsycho]

omg give this thread a rest. if your gear works fine, then good for you. what the ppl here were trying to do was to give newcomers a warning. if they choose to buy 3A stuff, then that's their choice. it's the same thing as saying don't buy PMI HPA tanks cuz they have bad customer service and quality control.

[P8NTBALLER590]

yeah i dont understand how everyone else gets terible customer service i ordered like 2 or 3 things from them in seperated times. (like months after each other) and i got my stuff in less then a week and it all works fine........ :|

[STO Balla 22]

Just let this thread die. It's going nowhere fast. :boring:

[Shivors]

If you dont like the thread dont come here.

[STO Balla 22]

No need to be snappy, but it's true. The argument is over nothing, some people hate 3A, some are loyal to them. It's just like an argument about Bush, everyone has their own opinion, everyone wants everyone else to hear it, but nobody will give in.

[been_splat]

There are enough threads on the 3A junk.


MODERATOR - PLEASE CLOSE AND LOCK.

Thanks...

[Jaster]

Originally posted by aznpsycho
...what the ppl here were trying to do was to give newcomers a warning. if they choose to buy 3A stuff, then that's their choice. it's the same thing as saying don't buy PMI HPA tanks cuz they have bad customer service and quality control.


Very nicely put and I agree. Many of us have had bad luck with 3A, some haven't. You can't dispute their past very questionable actions. That's why I won't buy from them. That's my choice and I stand by it. Then there are those like Firemoth who supports them and have had great luck with them. His choice and I'm sure he stands by it. As he should.
If you buy from them and get good gear, I'm very happy for you and I honestly hope it serves you well. The point of this thread wasn't to bash, but to inform newer players of a possible bad company to deal with and to use caution.
I also agree that we all have said our piece on this topic and the thread has out lived it's usefulness.

At long last....CLOSED.

FYI. PBR's original stance on the company still stands. (stated on the very 1st post) All other 3A threads will still be closed without notice. This thread will stay in the stickies for reference.