Evil Omen

[lyncher68]

I have a 98 custom s it says at the bottom and i just bought tons of for it and i was gonna buy more, then i realized that my gun weighs like 50 lbs wit an empty hopper. My gun was the perfect gun if you r a sniper who doesnt wanna move fast and only play in far range scenarios. I want 2 sell my gun and get an Evil Omen, it looks like a great gun IS IT?????? also have a very very nice collectio of baseball cars and i would prbably have to sell at least one of my great vintage cards....like my jackie robinson rookie or reggie jackson rookie, is it worth selling a card like one of theses for one of those guns and is it the best for the 400$-550$ price range? also I know its not semi but when you hold the trigger down for a few seconds is it similar 2 what a response trigger would do.... i mean it doesnt just shoot one shot does it? ...O yeah im 14 so any help would be cool. Thanks

[wdp_billboard]

k first if you wanna know if a gun is worth it, read the reviews. and also if you wanna get to an audience that is willing to buy ur gun, post it in the trading forums not the general talk, but from what i have heard it is a good gun, again read the reviews

[Ghost2867]

Originally posted by lyncher68
I have a 98 custom s it says at the bottom and i just bought tons of for it and i was gonna buy more, then i realized that my gun weighs like 50 lbs wit an empty hopper. My gun was the perfect gun if you r a sniper who doesnt wanna move fast and only play in far range scenarios. I want 2 sell my gun and get an Evil Omen, it looks like a great gun IS IT?????? also have a very very nice collectio of baseball cars and i would prbably have to sell at least one of my great vintage cards....like my jackie robinson rookie or reggie jackson rookie, is it worth selling a card like one of theses for one of those guns and is it the best for the 400$-550$ price range? also I know its not semi but when you hold the trigger down for a few seconds is it similar 2 what a response trigger would do.... i mean it doesnt just shoot one shot does it? ...O yeah im 14 so any help would be cool. Thanks
yea...this is almost like spam...borderline

in addition...u didnt have to give us ur age...

the omen is a closed-bolt sear-tripper.
the omen is a great marker, just not my personal preference due to some bad experiences. pm me if u want details...

it performs awesome.
check reviews...sort from lowest review first, and read. then sort from highest review first, and read.

i wouldnt sell a vintage baseball card to get it...sell ur a5, and save up.

also..."sniper"?

[DirtMcgirt]

Don't get an Omen. It's a great gun, but you have to be able to adjust certain things (re cock pressure) to get it to function properly. Seeing as how you were just taking about sniping in the woods with an M98, I don't think you're ready for a gun that needs so much attention.

[Plython]

If you want to "sniper" I would put a 22" flatline and a coil remote with 4 oz co2 (helps you get less shots).

Please refer to New Players forum and reviews for all your questions, and "sniper" mistakes.

[Danman69]

for 520 get a b2k4 with PDS that beats an omen.

[Plython]

Originally posted by Danman69
for 520 get a b2k4 with PDS that beats an omen.

Where you getting $520? (http://store.yahoo.com/actionvillage/paintball-guns-indian-creek-designs-paintball-guns-b2k-w-pds-2004-paintball-guns.html)

[Danman69]

Everyone asks my that so much. shootpaint.com. They are taking pre orders for b2k4s w/ PDS with the new 2 color fades for 520-http://shootpaint.com/pd1082346831.htm?defaultVariants=search0_EQ_Black/Blue_AND_{EOL}&categoryId=17 An amazing deal. I am saving up for one now
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[LAMANTEthePBguy]

I definitely wouldnt sell a baseball card like that.

If you have the capacity to take care of a marker, and learn about it then the omen is a nice gun for the price. Its not going to be like your 98 where after you come home you can just throw it in the corner until you play next. You will have to take care of it.

The omen is a semi auto marker. For every time you pull the trigger, it will shoot a ball. The trigger pull is very short compared to your 98, so that is why you might think it shoots full auto.

Also if you are anting to remove wieght, you could take off some of those cosmetic upgrades like the bipod.

[Ghost2867]

yea...bottom line...dun sell ur baseball card for ANYTHING...

[RainTreeBoy]

Yeah man for that price, just get a BKO or B2K4. Remember though, if you get the B2K4, you have to get nitro or spend money on some upgrades to use CO2.

[Ghost2867]

isnt it same with bko? not sure tho...

just dun sell that baseball card...

omen is nice, its just i'd get an imp or sumthing over it...then again, i did have that bad-as-hell experience with them...

[can'tthink of1]

Ghst don't talk, I have condemed you to silence, you had a bad experience with the omen, but it was your noob friends marker, and you were smart enough to shoot yourself it the hand with it, so silence mortal.

The omen is a truley great marker, better than a bko hands down, better reg, anti-chop, better stock barrel, great customer service, great stock trigger, and no upgrades needed out of the box. But the b2k4 is more expensive and still needs a few upgrades, reg, and barrel, so there is soem more money, and also doesn't the b2k4 cost like $600 whereas you could get a used omen for half that. If you say that the omen sucks because it is still a sear tripper, GET A LIFE, if you can hold your marker with any strength that the kick, which is greater than an electro won't matter. The kick isn't enough to change the accuracy either. Get an omen, it really is a great marker, I mean you can use a vl 200 and not worry about chopping. But what you do have to get is a nitrogen tank, but you could pay like 70 bux and get a cheap 47/3000.

*EDIT* I say the price for the b2k4, 520 eh? not a bad deal at all. The omen has still got a few things on it, but if you got the money go for the b2k4, it'll just need a few upgrades to perform like a omen thou.

[TheMexican]

Impulse > Omen. Nuf said.

Imp has better reg, as good stock barrel, good speed, good customer service, more knowledgeable techs, no need to adjust out of the box, etc.

[can'tthink of1]

Originally posted by TheMexican
Impulse > Omen. Nuf said.

Imp has better reg, as good stock barrel, good speed, good customer service, more knowledgeable techs, no need to adjust out of the box, etc.

Better reg, omen wins, the detonator is just as good as the maxxy, but it is also more flowing. They both are capped at 15 stock I belive, the omen comes with a better stock trigger, just as good if not better stock barrel (its like a 1-piece pipe), I'm willing to bet evil has better customer service, and their techs are the best around. Imp better, I think not.

[shoebag2000]

with all the stuff on your gun, (21 incher, bipod, laser sight) id say that you are defintitley still within noob status and seriously need to start playing more. you will see that none of that crap is needed and that if you take it off and use stuff that is actually worth using, you will see that the a5 will perform just fine for a while until you really do need a new gun. just my 2 cents

[RainTreeBoy]

Im sorry but Id take an ICD marker or imp over an Omen anyday, plus with the marker you save getting a BKO Id just get some good ups.

And Im just curious, whats the operating pressure on a stock Omen?

[Ghost2867]

imp owns all...

omen's anti-chop isnt that reliable...it helps, but my nub friend was still getting chops sumhow...

the ICD guns are real nice, but how does that explain that there are more diff versions of the imp than any other marker? even the timmy? i counted 19, and there may have been a couple i missed...

the detonator isnt worth crap...at least with my friend's...his consistency was like 300-315-305-325-299...

[ollgeeze]

spend $600 and get an orracle, you would be hard pushed to find any upgreades for it, except silly things.:)

[can'tthink of1]

Yea the detonator gets bad consistancy when its set up by your noob friend. You said it yourself ghost, your friend was a complete noob. And since the omen is based on how well you set it up, yeah thats what I guessed. You guys should try a well set-up omen. You seem to all have bad experiences when it comes to omen, but have any of them been set up well. Ghost you had a bad experience, and so you can't judge it on that. I'm willing to bet most people haven't even tried the omen or tried one set up corectly so most of you have bad idea's about the omen. I also notice that you all seem to suggest the bko....why would anyone do that? It starts off as a totally crappy marker, and must be upgraded some to perform well. Also how much are you saving when you buy the bko over an omen? omens can be found brand new for $400 and some cheaper. Thats good enough to get what, a good reg with the money you saved. But the omen still has a better stock barrel, and better internals and such that don't need to be replaced.

[[Infusion]BigC]

Bushys & the BKO both tear it up right outa the box.

People you tell you that you NEED upgrades for them have no clue what they are talking about.

The reg that comes on the BKO & Bushy will work fine for you, it's just that alot of people prefer to upgrade them.

The old regs ICD had weren't very good, but the most receint high-flowing regs they are putting on the 2K4 BKOs and the B2K4S are pretty nice for what you pay for.

What about chops? B2K4 w/ PDS $540 or pay ShootPaint $60 to SP MOD a BKO. Problem solved.

Bottomline, you have to buy NA either way, and a stock Bushy/BKO could tear a stock Omen in half IMO.

[can'tthink of1]

Originally posted by [Infusion]BigC
, and a stock Bushy/BKO could tear a stock Omen in half IMO.

Elaborate...

[Durandal]

Originally posted by [Infusion]BigC
What about chops? B2K4 w/ PDS $540 or pay ShootPaint $60 to SP MOD a BKO. Problem solved.


Or just get an antichop system included for $450 with an Omen. It works fine as long as your not stupid and keep the recock pressure low.


Bottomline, you have to buy NA either way, and a stock Bushy/BKO could tear a stock Omen in half IMO.

Hardly. They both shoot about the same speed out of the box, and the Omen comes with an anti chop system, so its more stable out of the box. And the stock barrel is better on the Omen. And the omen comes with a proven better reg.
So if by "Tear in Half" you mean "Will maybe chip paint job" then yeah. :P

[smegle5]

2 words
THE ONE

i would get dragun THE ONE over a omen anyday.

[XtraBoy]

I wouldnt, thats for sure

[Blue Baller]

Neither would I, that's some bad advice.

I'd get a BKO or b2k4 w/ pds. I seen omens, and I don't like them. I don't trust the cam feed as much as I would a SP mod or PDS.

[Ghost2867]

:agree: :agree:

still...imo, the maxxy pwns detonator and the stock ICD one...



also, how does the omen anti-chop work?

[Plython]

Detonator is better than max flow.

Omen's anti-chop is like a level 10 when set up, ie: It will not chop. Either the ball is in or not.

Omen is low pressure and adjustable blowback for almost no kick.

If Evil allowed their marker to be sold at whatever price the dealer wanted, the omen would rule all guns under $400. But Evil jacks the price up. If I had $450, I would save more money for a B2k4.

And whoever said you needed a new reg and barrel for a new ICD, that's extremely ignorant. The reg is pretty much equal to the max flow (granted the maxflow is a little better), and the barrel is a CP 2 piece.

[Plython]

Here's the cam-feed animation. It is better than most ACE systems, and it uss no batteries, all mechanical!

http://www.geocities.com/darkwulflh/omen.txt

[[Infusion]BigC]

Originally posted by Plython
It is better than most ACE systems, and it uss no batteries, all mechanical!

Like SP Mod :-D

And for the other guys, note the "IMO".

Originally posted by Durandal
Hardly. They both shoot about the same speed out of the box, and the Omen comes with an anti chop system, so its more stable out of the box. And the stock barrel is better on the Omen. [/B]

The ICD guns come with a CP 2 piece... yeah.

Also, would you like to share YOUR experience with ICDs high-flow reg?

Personally, I really just don't like the Omens "Hybrid"/Sear Tripper Design.

All I see is alot more parts to mess with/clean/break/lose.

Coming from a Tippmann, I don't think that's what he wants.

The ICD guns are both simple, easy to maintane designs.

[Plython]

I think the Omen's come with a better barrel (1 piece pipe) over the Impy and ICD markers.

If you want a tourney marker, get a ICD or impy. If you want a marker that you'll leave stock, but still use in tourneys but not as good, get an omen. That's how I look at it anyways.

[timmymaster]

uhh omen? Thats kinda risky in a tourney since mechanical parts (especially the cam feed design) break down. And I mean a lot. I have a friend at school who had one for only about two weeks and the feed part that pushes the balls in broke in two.
He later just exchanged it since there was a 30 day exchange policy, and got a b2k with pds. Enough said, impy or b2k4+pds.:D :D :D :
:laugh:

[Ghost2867]

plython...i agree...

omen...just not my first choice...

[wanabe TOSA]

ok look you dont sound like you know too much about paintball so hold off from buying such an expensive or complex marker, buy a spyder they are very upgradable and cheap and light ......please please please do not sell you valuable cards for a new PB gun, later on u will regret it and u will wish u never sold em......infact keep them and give them to your son or somthin

-peace-

[Durandal]

Originally posted by [Infusion]BigC
The ICD guns come with a CP 2 piece... yeah.


The omen barrel is pretty much a one peice pipe...yeah.


Also, would you like to share YOUR experience with ICDs high-flow reg?


Seeing as to how it took me about a year to save up abouts $260 for my current setup, I hardly have enough money to buy anything. And most people don't respond positively being asked "can I play with your BKO for the day?"


Personally, I really just don't like the Omens "Hybrid"/Sear Tripper Design.

All I see is alot more parts to mess with/clean/break/lose.


Then again since it's mostly mechanical if something breaks it's allot easier to find the problem and fix it.


The ICD guns are both simple, easy to maintane designs.

ICD makes good markers, but because the whole thing is cycled by electronics if something does break it's harder to diagnose whats wrong with it.

[Plython]

The ICD guns are much easier to identify problems. It doesn't have extra parts, like a back block that performs no function.

And a stock b2k4 would tear up a Omen. They're nearly identical in consistency, and the Omen is capped at 15bps. The b2k4 has a lower recoil.

If you put a new board on the Omen and put the PDS on the b2k4( now they are about equal price), the b2k4 would still perform better.

[can'tthink of1]

I'm sorry bout that comment for the reg and barrel needing to upgraded, I just think that the omen reg is better, if not one of the best on the marker, only under the sidewinder. I was saying to equal consistancy I think the bushy reg would need to be upgraded. I also guess the stock bushy barrel is fine, somehow I thought that only the newer ones came with cp 2-piece style barrels. I also don't think a b2k4 would perform better than the omen with the better board, they would be equal. So basicly imo you can't go wrong with either one, neither on is better than the other, admist the little kick issue on the omen.

[Durandal]

Originally posted by Plython
The ICD guns are much easier to identify problems. It doesn't have extra parts, like a back block that performs no function.


Unless there's something wrong with the board.

[RainTreeBoy]

Ok lets just all be happy and agree that you'd be happy with either an ICD gun or Omen. enough arguing over the two guns guys and lets try to help this guy,but like other people said, im not quite sure he's ready to make the just from a 'sniping' tippy to an BKO/B2K4 or Omen.

If you want my opinion, I think youd be better off maybe just messing with an e-spyder for a while, maybe and imagine, and then once you get the feel of it and everything, start reseasrching the forums for the gun you want, whatever it may be. Thats just my opinion. Get more opinions and figure out what you want to do, though there are a few people on the ICD forums that previously owned a tippy and are now moving on to BKO's/B2K's.

[[Infusion]BigC]

Ummm... is a Spyder really a step up from a Tippmann with a ton of money already in it?

I mean really, if he want's a sear tripper he could always just slap an E-Bolt on his Tippmann.

Going from a pimped 98 to a stock Spyder of any kind is most deffinitaly a downgrade.

A spyder is going to recquire a ton of upgrades to equal his current Tippmann. What's the piont of that?

I think he would be best off going with a BKO. Relatively cheap. Easy to maintane. Solid gun. Fast as he'll probably ever need. True electro = minimal kick. Plus, he can leave it stock and still have a gun that would pwn his Tippmann.

[RainTreeBoy]

Originally posted by [Infusion]BigC
Ummm... is a Spyder really a step up from a Tippmann with a ton of money already in it?

I mean really, if he want's a sear tripper he could always just slap an E-Bolt on his Tippmann.

Going from a pimped 98 to a stock Spyder of any kind is most deffinitaly a downgrade.

A spyder is going to recquire a ton of upgrades to equal his current Tippmann. What's the piont of that?

I think he would be best off going with a BKO. Relatively cheap. Easy to maintane. Solid gun. Fast as he'll probably ever need. True electro = minimal kick. Plus, he can leave it stock and still have a gun that would pwn his Tippmann.
Im just saying that because I think that he'd have a hard time with a true electro. He called his gun a great sniper because it has a 21" barrel, and no offense, but I think an Omen or BKO/B2K may be too big of a step at this point.

[LAMANTEthePBguy]

Cant think of 1, you seemed to bash a lot of people about not using an omen, but you never told us how much experience you have had with it. j/w

And lets face it. Barely any gun remains stock for long. Impulses and BKO's have way more potential than the omen. Its kinda pointless to argue over stock guns.

[lyncher68]

Im not gettin an omen ne way im gettin a ANs gx4 cocker o yeah and just because i have a sniper doesnt mean i havent used a true electro. I also know a fairly good amount about paintball and guns in general so i pretty much know about electros.

[can'tthink of1]

I have shot one at a feild a few times, and at my local store. I accually was considering it for my new marker before I got my tribal out of nowhere, but i researched it that when I got to a feild, one of the regulars had purchased an omen, he's somewhat noobish, but a really good baller. Anyways I helped him get the whole recock set and the trigger set up so it ripped. This was all after I had tried it at my local store. Also I have set it up twice, later when I saw him at the feild about a month later. I have been around, shot a few angels, timmies, a few bushies, and cockers, and I must say admist building and shooting my spyder, and now my tribal, I have got a good deal of expirence with electros and blowbacks, and the omen. Talk to spartan x, he'll back me up, he's had like 6 omens, and, well, errr, is kinda an omen nut lol, but a knowledgable person. Thats all I can say, and I must say the omen is one of those markers that are really impressive, and so I highly suggest it over most markers around 400bux. And what so great about the omen is, I would compare it to a lower end viking. It comes great stock and almost nothing needs to be replaced. That along with the fact that omens have very few upgrades may cause a few potential buyers to stray away, but it attracts some who want a marker that they can keep stock for quite some time. I fully support all other markers thou, just for the price I highly suggest the omen over any electro.

[Durandal]

Originally posted by lyncher68
Im not gettin an omen ne way im gettin a ANs gx4 cocker

The oposite of your current marker...

Complex, unrelyable, looks cool, has a short barrel.

Enjoy I guess...

[[Infusion]BigC]

Good luck with that...

[timmymaster]

good luck with your GX4. OH yah is that the electro one? (kinda forgot which GX is which) and if you need any help on your new cocker feel free to pm me or make a thread and ask for help.

[Ghost2867]

Originally posted by Durandal


Unless there's something wrong with the board. [/B]
he said, "identify" problems...not fix them :P

durandal: lol...yea...

trust me, u wont be all that happy with a cocker unless u really really really kno wut ur getting into...

i dunno about their cockers, but ppl have told me to stay away from ans, so w/e..."to each his own"