What the RT valve is! Is not! And its banning status!

[Magadeth]

Ok gang I'm getting kind of tired of all the erronious information that has been posted here about AGD's RT valve. Certain board members have been going out of thier way to cause hysteria about this and I thought I would clarify things for everybody once and for all.

The RT valve was designed by (the great) Tom Kaye to be the fastest recharging reg in paintball. He created a gun with it that is capable, when fired mechanically of firing 22bps without encoutering shootdown.

RT does NOT stand for reactive trigger. It can be tweeked by setting the input pressure to bounce back to a 'sweet spot" where it requires almost no pressure to fire it at all. This is what can give it such an insane rate of fire when fired manually.

the Rt does require a special chrono procedure when used in the aforementioned manner. Because the valve recharges so fast, it can heat up the gas contained in the valve, thus increasing pressure. To chrono the RT, it must be fired for a string of shots, and velocity should be adjusted from the "Hot shot" normally about the sixth in the string of shots.

When used with an input pressure of around 600psi, the rt performs amost the same as a normal AIR valve and does not require any special chrono procedure.


"But I heard the RT is getting banned everywhere"- Ok, this really pisses me off. If your store owner or field owner is telling you this, they are a complete Idiot. NO COMPETITIVE PAINTBALL ORGANIZATION HAS BANNED THE RT! PERIOD! I believe the confusion about this may have been caused by confusing the RT with reactive trigger mods, wich fire more thatn one shot per each pull of the trigger, and are tourney illegal. The RT wil fire only one shot with each pull and release of the trigger, keeping it well within tourney guidelines. An ingnorant store or field owner may hear RT, and think reactive trigger and tell you something foolish. PLEASE STOP SPREADING THIS IGNORANCE!

Take the time to do the research and find out the facts for yourself, and if you come across an RT ignorant person at your field or store, take the time to educate them. If you would like to learn more about the RT, visit Automags.org and do a search, or read through the technical information that can be found there.

[Vaypourus]

Thank you- its about time somebody cleared this up for the people who obviously don't know what they are talking about. Very well put Magadeath.

[CRASHKING]

also if they did ban the rt valve (which they didnt) warpig would probally have something about it on there site

[Mushi]

What does RT stand for? I thought it DID mean reactive trigger...only by reactive it means that the marker puts force back on the trigger after its pulled... not the whole shot on release dealie. The whole two shots per trigger pull ...isn't that a response trigger? I really confused on that issue, (I doubt I'm the only one) so hopefully ppl can shed some light on the two terms?

[Siberian186]

I thought the same thing Mushi. i remember the ads for the 98 custom upgrades and i thought they said it had a response trigger which shot 2.

the Rt does have a reactive trigger. Not response

[Magadeth]

Rt stands for Retro valve, of wich there are two types. The ones that come on the RT, RTpro and E-mags are of a slighlty smaller diameter and are not interchangable with a standard AIR valve. The 'Retro' valve is the same internally as the 'RT' valve, and is interchangeable with an AIR valve, making it possible to Retrofit your older mag.

The RT is "reactive" only in the sense that at an input pressure of 800+psi, it will return the trigger with a force of about 8lbs, wich is twice what it takes to pull the trigger(about 4lbs) This gives you an almost instant trigger return, and enables you to shoot very fast.

[Mushi]

I did more reading. Actually, RT does stand for reactive trigger. This is straight off the AGD website.

"Just a partial list of features includes:
Reactive Trigger™ (RT) technology capable of an astounding 25+ rounds/sec without measurable shootdown, as tested in our R&D labs when trigger pulled by computer."

That doesn't mean it fires on pull and release, it just means its damn fast. (with the return pressure)

Also, it turns out the RT was banned from a tournament. Though obviously now it's been lifted and is completely legal. This is also straight off the AGD website. From the FAQs.

I heard the AUTOMAG RT was banned from a tournament. Is this true? What's going on?
There was a one-tournament ban on the RT, but the National Paintball Association (which provides insurance for paintball fields) has finished its review and has lifted the ban. The RT is legal while operating in semi-automatic mode. It's illegal only when it is operating in full-auto mode and this usually happens only when modifications have been made to the RT.

just to clear some things up I guess. Man, the more I read, the more I want an e-mag. :love:

[snipinhick]

What meg is saying is that the RT valve is being ingnorantly missplaced for the REACTIVE TRIGGER. He is trying to clear up the mess and is doing so very nicely, instead of posting in every "RT" thread.

nuff said.

nyuck nyuck.

[aNtHrAx32]

Snipin - you mean the auto-response trigger... the one that fires one ball on pull, and one on release. RT does mean reactive trigger, as it reacts after firing (I guess that's how you can say it). I'm not afraid to admit it... I've bought into these myths too.

[Magadeth]

well I might be wrong, but I am pretty sure that the retro valve came out first, and then the rt was the first AGD gun designed around it. The trigger return works the same way as the automag, it just returns with more force. The main thing that makes these guns better is no shootdown.

What mushi says is correct, its just that AGD's 'reactive trigger' is a different concept from what is sold for the aftermarket on-off valves (wich dont work) and reactive, or respose trigger kits for other guns.

[Vaypourus]

Niether the RT valve nor the the Retro Valve has the capability of going fully automatic without an electronic trigger frame. I have shot both, and yes they can both shoot very very fast, and with the RT Pro, I was able to pop off 2 shots off with one trigger pull(sometimes...didn't always work, I tried and tried and tried). I think the misunderstanding is that both the RT and/or the Retro Valve have the capability to fire full auto. They do not and cannot.

[Puckz]

The RT came out long before the ReTro valve...

RT - 1996

Retro Valve - 1999

The Emag, RT Pro, ReTro, and AIR valve are all interchangable, the only valve that isnt is the original RT valve.

The valves are capable of going full auto but it requires a different sized on/off pin. Mine did this originally but it turned out to be a rail issue which is since fixed.

[Hexis]

Also, the chrno procedure is a lil easier than what is on top. You can "snap" the RT (ReTro, EMag in mech mode, whatever) Trigger.

Basicly you fire off one shot, then get in place for chrono, then release and pull the trigger as quick as possible (keep it held for next shot). That will give an accurate reading for a single shot. Repeate as necessary.

Just to set a few other things straight. The RT was a whold new gun with the Reactive Trigger and gas through rail. The ReTro Valve came out as an upgrade for a normal Mag. Since the ReTro on a normal body was lighter than a RT it was a pretty popular setup. The RT Pro was designed to be similar, and uses basicly an ReTro Valve. The Emag is vavle compatible with the A.I.R. and ReTro. The original RT valve is the only one-off.