Bushy 2004 or Omen

[OmenMan]

WHat gun would be more worth it A bushy 2004 or an omen. Please make sure to include the speed differneces and air ificiency. And also all of the gun advantages and disadvanteges.

[gomster]

I don't know much about the Omen so I won't go into that. On the other hand I do know plenty about the B2K4 :D.

The new improved B2K4 has new features like:

Improved board Capped at 36bps
Improved low pressure regulator
Improved solenoid/manifold 3x better airflow
New high pressure regulator :tup: very consistent regulator
New micro gauge (got rid of the big nasty one)
New two color fade anodizing (:tup: very nice looks)

The B2K4 also has one one of the best anti chop systems (are you going to get PDS stock or later?), super adjustable trigger, Delrin bolt stock, huge selection of upgrades (only reason for them is if you want perfection), and a good solid barrel not the best but, it is good.

[ShadowWalker]

The omen is almost perfect stock. However if you really want some speed, you should get a PDP chip. ICD is known for having crappy regs on their markers, the detonator is one of the best. It has a mechanical anti chop system that works fantastic. The stock barrel is very good for being stock and there isn't a need to upgrade right away. The omen also comes with a rail and an on/off. Evil's customer service is very good too.

[gomster]

Originally posted by ShadowWalker
The omen is almost perfect stock. So is the B2K4. However if you really want some speed, you should get a PDP chip. The B2K4 already comes stock with a super fast chip. ICD is known for having crappy regs on their markers, the detonator is one of the best. WRONG! The HPR was quite good in the last few models, it was the LPR that bit the big one but, still the new 2K4 HPR and LPR are awesome. It has a mechanical anti chop system that works fantastic. PDS is one of the best anti chop systems you can get. The stock barrel is very good for being stock and there isn't a need to upgrade right away. The B2K4 has a good stock barrel and there is no need to upgrade it right away either. The omen also comes with a rail and an on/off. Evil's customer service is very good too. ICD has VERY good customer service too. I'm done now...

[RainTreeBoy]

Im just curious, I know this is the wrong thread and all, but since its comparing Bushy's to Omens, and I know bushys are lp, what is the normal/stock operating pressure on an omen?

[ShadowWalker]

200-250psi.

And gomster i wasn't really bashing the b2k just so ya know, just stating things about the omen. The last i heard, the stock regs on them weren't very good though.

[gomster]

Originally posted by ShadowWalker
And gomster i wasn't really bashing the b2k just so ya know, just stating things about the omen. The last i heard, the stock regs on them weren't very good though. My bad, I couldn't hear your voice... Sorry.

[ShadowWalker]

not a problem:cool: they are both great markers and you'll be happy with either. Omen=cheaper though if you're on a budget or would like to buy some other things at the same time.

[SCHeat#22]

The BKO 04 is worthless they glued my feed neck on because the threads didn't match also on the first 30 minutes of play i noticed it started to leak internally i is crap never buy ICD i can't trust them anymore.

[Spartan 2]

Get the Bushy cause Omens SUCK!

[gomster]

Originally posted by SCHeat#22
The BKO 04 is worthless they glued my feed neck on because the threads didn't match also on the first 30 minutes of play i noticed it started to leak internally i is crap never buy ICD i can't trust them anymore. We are not talking about BKO's, we are talking about Bushies. Where the heck did you buy it from because that is the first time I have ever heard ANYTHING that negative about BKO's?

[ShadowWalker]

Originally posted by Spartan 2
Get the Bushy cause Omens SUCK!

Man that cuts me deep. Lets all be rational here. Give it a chance Spartan pleeeeease, lol. You know you'll miss it once you sell it.:bawling: :cry: :bawling:

[gomster]

Originally posted by ShadowWalker


Man that cuts me deep. Lets all be rational here. Give it a chance Spartan pleeeeease, lol. You know you'll miss it once you sell it.:bawling: :cry: :bawling: Wait! Hold up there! Is he being sarcastic? Man I'm confused :confused:.

[ShadowWalker]

Spartan is selling his omen because his has had problems.:| nobody should let once experience change their decision though. mine has worked perfectly fine along with a lot of other people.

[gomster]

Originally posted by ShadowWalker
Spartan is selling his omen because his has had problems.:| nobody should let once experience change their decision though. mine has worked perfectly fine along with a lot of other people. Yeah, they seem to be nice guns, I shot one and definitely liked it.

[2old2pb]

Originally posted by ShadowWalker
not a problem:cool: they are both great markers and you'll be happy with either. Omen=cheaper though if you're on a budget or would like to buy some other things at the same time.

shadow walker how does your evo II
work with your omen? I heard force fed loaders interfere with feed system. if it works for you ill get one for my omen

[ShadowWalker]

works great. its just loaders that have constant pressure on the ball stack (halo's, warp feed, ect.) that you can't use.

[Spartan 2]

I was being sarcastic....

[ShadowWalker]

you told me you were selling it though:confused:

[gomster]

Originally posted by Spartan 2
I was being sarcastic.... Yeah, I was going to say: What the heck, he has all of this Evil stuff all over his signature, avatar, and custom text.

[Hobbes]

ummmmm, i don't know how you guys could believe that spartan was ever bashing an omen. He stuck w/ the omen since the beginning. And he has owned more omens than anybody here so i doubt ONE problem would make him say omens suck.
I like my bushy better than my omen so far. It is faster and lighter and the anno doesn't scratch as easily. I like the trigger much better.
My omen wasn't very consistent b/c i didn't have a barrel kit and the field paint was small. The silver trigger wasn't snappy at all and the stock chip sucks. It also had a little more kick than i like.
Just try em both out and see which you like. They're both good guns.

[komoto]

would you say that the closed bolt factor gives the omen any points (mabye conphensating for the "kick")

[jdubau55]

considering that the omen is realy a blowback marker and the bushy is full electro-pneumatic. im not bashing either one cause i have no right to, since i havent shot either. i have heard that the CAM feed is pretty darn good though. in the end its budget and personall preference.

[Hitokiri_1]

Go with the bushy, btw the new HPR is a licensed copy of the Gladiator. And yes i have shot both, the bushy just feels better. But in the end its all up to you, it shouldn't be too hard to find and example of each to shoot.

[ShadowWalker]

get the bushy, my omen sucks so bad (being serious). i dislike evil products (with the exeption of paint) forever now. I've had some minor problems with my omen that have taken me 10-15 minutes to get straight...until saturday. the pin on the hammer broke off so now the valve doesn't open. My pipe kit breaks paint left and right. without the front it works fine, put the front on and you just spray. I think its time to sell both and wait until may and buy a speed with an ultralight.

[gomster]

Originally posted by ShadowWalker
get the bushy, my omen sucks so bad (being serious). i dislike evil products (with the exeption of paint) forever now. I've had some minor problems with my omen that have taken me 10-15 minutes to get straight...until saturday. the pin on the hammer broke off so now the valve doesn't open. My pipe kit breaks paint left and right. without the front it works fine, put the front on and you just spray. I think its time to sell both and wait until may and buy a speed with an ultralight. That sucks :(.

Bushies are defiantly high quality markers, go with the Bushy you won't regret it.

[radishboy]

Originally posted by ShadowWalker
get the bushy, my omen sucks so bad (being serious). i dislike evil products (with the exeption of paint) forever now. I've had some minor problems with my omen that have taken me 10-15 minutes to get straight...until saturday. the pin on the hammer broke off so now the valve doesn't open. My pipe kit breaks paint left and right. without the front it works fine, put the front on and you just spray. I think its time to sell both and wait until may and buy a speed with an ultralight.

...may god have mercy on your soul...

[ShadowWalker]

you're the cause of my problems, you talked me into the omen, lol j/k. I'm just tired of it. I'm not getting a speed. When my pipe works its golden. Evil had a batch that were machined wrong so i'm getting mine replaced along with the parts i need for my omen.

[x505]

I have had my Omen witch is awsome but the one down side is I'll play a few game fine and then bang my sear staps, my bolt is shaven on its side , my pressure is off, my feed neckfalls of and dosent screw back in, my back block gets stuck. It just becomes a real hastle and i wait moth or more to get some pice that'll fix it.

by the way evry time I fire my gun it decocks and u can here rushing air comeing out of the barrel i am going to check the recock pressure and the reg's pressuri i also am pretty epty on air ??? WHo knows i might half to send it PMI for the 5th time

[ShadowWalker]

yeah man, when they work its great, but i'd rather not sit there and mess with it all day instead of playing.

[Sherlok]

Mine works fine, everythings set, I just chrono, get ok'd and play, I don't even need to adjust my recock, since between my tank and the det my guns plenty consistent. I've yet to break a ball. I can shoot strings on this thing without worrying about breaking a ball. I recently went trhough a 1/2 case of BE afterburners, which shot amazingly....When I first got it I had some problems, but once I get my new back block I was set. I also got a new striker just incase, since a lot of peoples seems to be broken. Mine seems to be going strong tho.

[x505]

where can u get this pds/pdp board thing and how do u install it on an omen

[ShadowWalker]

you have to send your trigger frame to a shop in canada. search the forum.

[gomster]

Originally posted by x505
where can u get this pds/pdp board thing and how do u install it on an omen PDS is: Paint Detection System. This will serve no use for you because it is only for a Bushy or BKO.

PDP is: Some sort of chip to make it easier to achieve higher rates of fire on your Omen and I'm not going to explain anymore because I have no Idea what I am talking about.

[shakey38]

yea for $525 you can get a b2k4 with PDS 2 color fade polished..Glad 04 clone reg, PDS (which is excellent).. ok stock barrel... pretty good trigger.. and more

for $575 you can get a splash annoed evil omen .. detenator reg is pretty good, cam feed one of its best, trigger is .. different? and more....

so its up to u, only 50$ dif.. but IMO i find that i have heard alot of complaints bout the omen out of the box then the b2k's...