What to buy...What to buy...

[Joel Timberlake]

Alright, I have 270 dollars to spend on a gun or gun/barrel. But I really don't want to spend all of the money. I have been looking at a Piranah EXT or a Spyder Shutter. Which one should I buy, or is there another gun that would do me better.

Thanks, Joel.

[JoKeR 13]

I would actually go with one of the new Tippmann 98 Customs. Then for a barrel I would buy a Dye Xcel. That is all you would need for now, but you can always upgrade later. You would even have a little bit of money left over.

[Joel Timberlake]

Originally posted by JoKeR 13
I would actually go with one of the new Tippmann 98 Customs. Then for a barrel I would buy a Dye Xcel. That is all you would need for now, but you can always upgrade later. You would even have a little bit of money left over.

Good idea, but no. I am selling my Model 98 to get this new gun.

[TLplus84]

go for a SPyder TL Plus and a Lapco Bigshot or JJ Ceramic barrel. The SHutter is a waste of money because you get a not so hot ano job, and a regulator that is useless cuz it's before the expansion chamber...so i say get the sPyder tl, get a nice barrel, and save yourself the regrets later on..

[dawgs712]

get the spyder se-comes with expansion chamder, hardline, and some other cool sh**. its on xpaintball.com for 177 and you can go to shop4paintball.com for a dye boomstick on list for 140 but only 105 there. you will have spent like dollars more and will have a setup worth over 400 for the list price

boostick-140, only 105
spyder se-269, only 177

do it dude, i have it and it rocks,
oh yeah, you in the amrket for a...pgp?

[Joel Timberlake]

Yeah, but I am looking at a Piranah more. EVERYONE has a Spyder, and I wanna try to break away from the group. How is the EXT?

Thanks, Joel.

[dawgs712]

the reason everyone has em is cuz theyre good guns-read the reviews of the spyder se on this site in the review section. the only bad part is crappy barrel. with the dye it becomes a plus. It persuaded me and it was the best decesion i have made-do it do it doit!!

Get a spyder se or buy me pgp-thread "gun for sale-update"

[Joel Timberlake]

I may get an SE, but not your pgp! :)

[dawgs712]

thats it!!! i take back my advice! dont get the se it sux. if you buy it ill sue your @$$ for...you know when your really tired and you ramble and then stop and then forget what you were talking about...uuuummmm....wanna buy a pgp???

[Joel Timberlake]

Originally posted by dawgs712
thats it!!! i take back my advice! dont get the se it sux. if you buy it ill sue your @$$ for...you know when your really tired and you ramble and then stop and then forget what you were talking about...uuuummmm....wanna buy a pgp???

No! :)

[Predator2]

The SE doesn't suck! Its a good gun stock. I would get a tlplus though b/c you would just replace the x chamber w/ a reg anywayz.

[Joel Timberlake]

Can somebody PLEASE answer my question about the Piranah!

[dawgs712]

predator i was kidding, he asid he wouldnt buy my pgp so i retracted 9jokingly) my aprasial of the fine work of markers that is SE!!!!

[Predator2]

oh ok, my bad :-)

[antiramie]

Well, if you dont want to spend all of your money (which most people that replied did not take into consideration), and you specified as $270, then I wouldn't get the EXT. They cost from $200-230 depending on the anodizing. A new barrel will be at least $45-60 for a decent one and you will be out of cash. If you are set on getting a Pirahna to be apart from all the Spyder owners (which i think is a great idea) then I suggest getting a Pirahna G2 STS. They cost the same as a TL plus and are equal in just about every aspect. You can buy a new barrel and will have enough money left over to upgrade more (to maybe get a regulator and anti-siphon tube) or you can spend the money on paint and actually play, or u can spend it elsewhere.

[Intruder]

ya, paint is essential unless you are buying a gun to sit in your room with and just stare at it afraid to scratch it. But since you're not, i'd say just go for the Tl or TL+. They are good durable guns and who cares if everyone else has them. That means they must be good, and don't you want a good gun. That's just my 2 cents...

[Witt]

Timberlake...Its wiit as you know. I think you are right about the whole Shutter thing. EVERYONE has one but what does it matter...Come on..You cant exclude them from your choosing because Everyone has them..You need to look at the problem..Are they good?? And thats your answer to what you should get.

[Joel Timberlake]

Originally posted by Witt
Timberlake...Its Witt as you know. I think you are right about the whole Shutter thing. EVERYONE has one but what does it matter...Come on..You cant exclude them from your choosing because Everyone has them..You need to look at the problem..Are they good?? And thats your answer to what you should get.

I know everyone has a Shutter, and I think people are getting them because the 3 best paintballer have them, and they wanna fit in. And I know I can get a better gun for the money...easily.

[BVP]

I own a Piranha STS G2 and it's a great gun! It's a good gun for a good price and is worth looking into.

[Mad Ogre]

I won a game it a PGP... Nothing wrong with those!
However for the amount specified in the original post - An STS G2 with a Boomstick could be had. That would be a nice setup. If you shop real careful you could even have enough left over for a mask... like a Vforce Armor.

[DamnRock]

it seems to me that if you say "dont get a shutter, get a tl+ and upgrade" you should probably even say, "don't get a shutter or tl+, get a compact and upgrade"...

Think about it...if you get a tl+ and get a regulator (which is what mos tpeopel say to do isntead of getting a shutter), then you'll have to either get a metric to standard hose adapter, or get a new hose, which means getting a new bottom line which means getting an adapter to attach a standard bottom line to the angled grip frame...

There are other ways, but if you want complete flexibility in what upgrades you add, you need standard fittings and straight bottom line (allows for regulators, etc and just about every drop-forward is made in standard inline hole format, there are some good angled hole drops though)...

SO, take my tl+, take of the mini-xchamber, angled bottomline, hose, etc...then basically you have a compact. Add to it the angled to straight grip adapter ($12), standard bottomline kit ($20), pmi reg ($40), you are back at the price of a regular tl+, only with standard parts more easily upgradeable now.

That's just my opinion...it kinda sucks that kingman uses odd things that noone else uses (angled bottomlines, metric fittings)...what'd they go and do that for? It makes an easy thing hard (like trying to make a custom products 2" drop work on a kingman gun).

did I get off topic?

[Richy_C]

ok, PMI pirhana VLT100, PMI PE reg 50, STS Beaver trail 25, Sp Progressive 50, better than a Shutter or a tl;plus or an ext and only 225, great deal

[Hsuve]

I'd say to start with a Java Spyder Compact 2000. Here's a list of upgrades and some info:

In order of position to get:
1. Barrel - CP, Lapco, SP, DYE, all great choices
2. 12 volt Revolution - Feeding/chopping problems? No more!
3. Get a double trigger frame, if you don't have one, make sure it also has both inline and staggard holes.
4. Get a trigger job, I can do one for cheap, Polecat Paintball can also do a REALLY nice one for $20 + shipping. If you want me to do it for cheap, catch me on AIM, my screen name is Hsuve.
3. Remove venturi from the bolt, get an AKALMP Lightning bolt, or get a Shocktech Delrin Quickstrip bolt and drill out the center
4. Drill out the vertical adapter if you use a compact Spyder, or get an AKALMP Compact Mitey-Max
5. Get a turbo valve, any will do, make sure it has an aftermarket valve pin though.
6. Get high flowing hoses, macrolines or steel braided hoses are GREAT
7. Polish your bolt and striker
8. Get a regulator - If you use CO2, get the Palmer Stabilizer, period. If you use N2, choose whichever regulator you want, the Vigilante is a really nice one for cheap but performs excellent.
9. Polecat straightfeed or vertical feed body

You can get practically any barrel at a low cost at http://www.paintballbarrels.com

12 volt Revolutions are sold at http://www.predator-paintball.com for like $47.99 in black

You can get different double trigger frames at http://www.g3pb.com

You can get a nice trigger job from Polecat, or you can have me do one. :) By the way, I do have good feedback from some people that say I won't rip you. I'm an honest person!

To remove the venturi from the bolt, heat up the back of the venturi a bit, then take a nice, good pair of pliers, get a good grip on it, and turn counter-clockwise. The AKALMP Lightning bolt is $52.50 at http://www.g3pb.com
The Shocktech Delrin Quickstrip bolt is $39.99, or something like that at http://www.paintballonline.com (my local store)

Drilling the vertical adapter applies ONLY to the compact Spyders, if you have a standard, skip this part. To drill the vertical adapter remove expansion chambers, regulators, the low pressure chamber, screws of any sort from it. Take the drill, put in the bit that's just slightly larger than the hole that leads into the LPC area. Drill the hole from the opposite side of where the LPC screws in. That way you don't have to mess around with threads and perhaps even mess up the threads of the LPC. After enlargening that hole, take the next larger bit and drill it again. Drill the hole with 3 bits, one just larger than the other. On the bottem where the expansion chamber, gas-through forgrip, or regulator is, don't enlargen that hole. From where the hole is, drill a new hole 90 degrees to the right of where the hole is. After that, drill a hole 90 degrees to the left of where the original hole is. Make sure not to go too far forward, for if you do, you'll mess up the threads to the LPC area.
The AKALMP Compact Mitey-Max can be bought for $52.50 at http://www.g3pb.com

Turbo valves can be bought by your local store, probably. If not, http://www.g3pb.com has some.

I'm sure your local store has different hoses, if not, go scream down their necks telling them to save their money and quit the business. :)

To polish your internals, use 800+ grit sand paper and sand your bolt and striker, DO NOT use coarse sand paper. You want fine grit sand paper so you don't take off too much material. Just sand the two parts until they're shiny, no more, no less.

http://www.predator-paintball.com has a good number of regulators, at GREAT prices. They don't have the Palmer Stabilizer though... The Stabilizer can be bought at http://www.g3pb.com

The Polecat straightfeed is basically a mod that changed your feed tube to that of a 'Cockers. It's vented so it minimizes/eliminated blowback. It's great for left handed people as it moves the hopper to the right side, and with it you can finally look over the top of your gun. It's something like $50 + shipping for installation and the black version of the feed, it's around $55 + shipping for installation and the chrome feed. It's nice and it's worth it, in my opinion. They won't rip you by taking your gun and never sending it back either, though the web site isn't the greatest, the work is EXCELLENT. I believe the company email is ferret@polecatpaintball.com. There are two kinds of vertical feed bodies, one is the AKALMP VLM body. The production on those have ceased, however, if you're lucky, you may find one around. They take 'Cocker barrels and 'Cocker ASAs, they take Spyder internals though (duh! :)). They also use the larger strikers, so if you have a compact body Spyder, you have to go get the older kind of striker. The second vertical feed body is the Bob Long one. I believe that they've stopped making the compact ones, meaning if you get a Bob Long vertical feed body, you'll need a standard Spyder vertical adapter, and the larger version striker. I don't know, but there might still be some compact Bob Long vertical feed bodies out there...

[Joel Timberlake]

I bought the STS, and it's a wonderful gun. Thanks guys!

[Witt]

Yeah...Good thing they madr you get the gun. Great choice. Shows how much knowledge this site had for paintball