What gun should a back player get?

[(0_o)typhoon(o_]

What PI gun should a back player get? Im thinking of a Dragun TES. Is there any better gun for back? Also for woods ball.

[paintballr87]

A tes or The one... in this product line

[tippman killa]

id say get The new Piranha evo The TES aint worth a crap i just purchased one it isnt worth the money at all the eye doesnt even work like it suppose too.... or maybe look into a dragunfire full functon lcd and get a Evo 2 with z board

[wulf1010]

ive been using a TES toped with a halo b and been having great success with it....id suggest "the one" if you have the cash, but both are very worth the money.

also if you dont feal like buying either the tes or one any of the full function dragun markers are great performers they just dont look as cool or have an eye system (The eye worked great for me, even when i was shooting dark paint thats hard to see with reflective type eyes)

[(0_o)typhoon(o_]

I was looking at the Piranha evo and it looks prety sweet. Anyone think EVO is better that TES? The Piranha evo also has an anti-chop eye. It looks just like the gun im looking for.
I found it for 250$. Is this a good buy?:confused:

[gomster]

Originally posted by (0_o)typhoon(o_
I was looking at the Piranha evo and it looks prety sweet. Anyone think EVO is better that TES? The Piranha evo also has an anti-chop eye. It looks just like the gun im looking for.
I found it for 250$. Is this a good buy?:confused: If you're looking to get a new marker to upgrade from your last marker I would get something like and Electro Pneumatic marker or something like an Autococker, not another blowback marker.

P.S. You can get a used BKO for $200 with a lot of upgrades on it.

[(0_o)typhoon(o_]

Ok this would be my second gun. I have a tippmann 98 custom but its way to unacurate and slow for me. im looking for a fast gun that has a " semi-acurate stock barrel." Up grading the tippmann is way to much money. 100$ for a reactive trigger.:pissed: Oh and does the BKO come with an expansion chamber? Im looking at pics and theres no threading for the co2 or nitro to go through.
(dont know what its called)

[TESfreak]

The TES is going to have the most accurate stock barrel youll find unless you get like an angel or somethin high dollar like that

[gomster]

Originally posted by (0_o)typhoon(o_
Ok this would be my second gun. I have a tippmann 98 custom but its way to unacurate and slow for me. im looking for a fast gun that has a " semi-acurate stock barrel." Up grading the tippmann is way to much money. 100$ for a reactive trigger.:pissed: Oh and does the BKO come with an expansion chamber? Im looking at pics and theres no threading for the co2 or nitro to go through.
(dont know what its called) No, it does not come with an expansion chamber it comes with a very nice regulator but, the 2K4 Unmillied BKO has a even better regulator that can handle Co2 with no problem.

Originally posted by TESfreak
The TES is going to have the most accurate stock barrel youll find unless you get like an angel or somethin high dollar like that Angels do not come stock with an accurate barrel as do most stock guns, you will most likely not find a gun with a good stock barrel with the exception of an Autococker with a Kaner Barrel on it.

[OmniBob]

the stock barrels on the tes and the one is actually pretty good. i can sell u a new tes for 225

oh and pi doesnt make them. pi just stole the black dragun along time ago, so they were thought to affiliated with m3, but r not. and do not have anything to do with the new dragun empire or their guns.

[joeballer]

Originally posted by gomster

P.S. You can get a used BKO for $200 with a lot of upgrades on it.


Where?....:rolleyes:

[(0_o)typhoon(o_]

So the TES has one of the most acurate stock barrels on it. Im not looking to go over 300$ so autocokers and angels are out. And where did you find that BKO for 200$?:eek:
Not that it matters im looking for a gun with everything on it ready to go out of the box.(except hopper)

[(0_o)typhoon(o_]

Oh and would anyone sugest a 2003 Dragun Bonez LCD? I play back in speedball and it looks prety fast. anyone have an opinion on this gun?

[RagingFuryBlack]

Just to let you all know, i play back, and lay down alot of fire.

The TES is not the best for backmen...even with "The One"
Look at the examples below, all great backmen guns

all of these are great for backmen
-cocker: Not that fast, but damn accurate and far flying
-BKO: Great Back/mid man gun..good gas efficceny fast,reliable
-IMP: unless you plan on laying out another 90-100 on top of the stock price, not good...though, even though im an icd owner, the vision imp with the vert reg is good
-B2k: Good for mid, not as good for back. Your better off with the B2K4 PDS
-B2K4 with PDS: Great gun, lays down alot of fire, 36BPS stock board, with a chaos this thing ripps
-RT Mag- Gotta love em'. As reliable as tippmans, good for backmen who lay down fire.
-Shocker: Waist of money. Ask team Dynasty!
-Angel: I almost pissed my pants when i fired one of these things! They are SWEET!

ok theres my 28 cents! take your pick

[gomster]

Originally posted by RagingFuryBlack
-cocker: Not that fast, but damn accurate and far flying No more accurate then the rest although it may seem more accurate to you.

[OmniBob]

I COMPLETELY AGREE, THE IMPROVED ACCURACY OF COCKERS IS IN UR HEAD.

[(0_o)typhoon(o_]

Ok right now im looking at the BKO. Now if i were to get a BKO what model would be best. Im looking for fast and acurate. I would always take the metal piping the CO2 goes through off my tippmann and put it on the BKO right?

[gffbrl21]

Originally posted by (0_o)typhoon(o_
Ok right now im looking at the BKO. Now if i were to get a BKO what model would be best. Im looking for fast and acurate. I would always take the metal piping the CO2 goes through off my tippmann and put it on the BKO right?
the bko is the bko there's no different models theyre made by indian creak designs. the metal piping your talking about is called a stainless steel line and is probably loctited into your gun and not the right length. i think the bko comes with 5" of macro line and one fitting so if your gonna spend around 300 ad another 30 or so to the price of the bko for an on off and another macroline fitting. you will also probably need to antisiphon your co2 because bkos werent really meant to run off of co2.

[joeballer]

A stock BKO is going to run like a POS, and you won't find a new one cheaper than $300...

[schoolsukz08]

Originally posted by joeballer
A stock BKO is going to run like a POS, and you won't find a new one cheaper than $300...

What :eek:, but thats your opinion but BKO is a pretty good gun stock. Why do you say it is a POS.

[gomster]

Originally posted by gffbrl21

the bko is the bko there's no different models theyre made by indian creak designs. Technically, you are wrong. There are many different generations of the BKO's so there a lots of different models. the metal piping your talking about is called a stainless steel line and is probably loctited into your gun and not the right length. i think the bko comes with 5" of macro line and one fitting so if your gonna spend around 300 ad another 30 or so to the price of the bko for an on off and another macroline fitting. It comes with a 6 inch piece of macroline and two macroline fittings. you will also probably need to antisiphon your co2 because bkos werent really meant to run off of co2. There is no gun that wasn't supposed to not be run off Co2 as long as you have the right set up (Female Palmer's Stabilizer and Anti Siphoned tank). Although you don't need the Female Stabilizer for the 2K4 Umilled BKO and the 2K4 Extreme Milled BKO because ICD fixed the problem with the Co2 tolerance on their old regulators.

Originally posted by joeballer
A stock BKO is going to run like a POS, and you won't find a new one cheaper than $300... That had to be the dumbest and most ignorant "POS" comment I have ever heard... YOU KNOW NOTHING!... :rolleyes:

I would love to know where you heard a BKO is going to run like a "POS" stock.

[RagingFuryBlack]

Dam someone just got owned!

:agree: :biglaugh:

[paintballa2k4]

Dude, BKO's are good. But u need it w/ upgrades for CO2, almost same price to run nitro.
BKO $250
Evo II $60
Nitro $80
Total $390
So, you really can't easily run a BKO without evo/halo or nitro.
BKO's are probably better than the TES and almost same price... But... what do I know?

[gomster]

Originally posted by paintballa2k4
Dude, BKO's are good. But u need it w/ upgrades for CO2, almost same price to run nitro.
BKO $250
Evo II $60
Nitro $80
Total $390
So, you really can't easily run a BKO without evo/halo or nitro.
BKO's are probably better than the TES and almost same price... But... what do I know? First off you will not be able to find a BKO for $250 anymore, because there are practically no more 2K3's left, only 2K4's which cost $300. Secondly, the previous BKO models you COULD run them off Co2 but, you might run into a few problems (probably not) although, the new versions of the BKO have absolutely no problems with running Co2 because ICD has rebuilt the HPR's from the ground up.

So in conclusion, you have no clue what you are talking about.

[wulf1010]

enough fighting over bkos already....gomster is right about the bkos strait up. I have known a couple of bkos that sucked out of the box but only 2 out of a dozen or so all older models.....my prefernce is still for the tes though just because of the much lower profile. that is about the only real advantage the tes has over the bko imo...maybe a bit better accuracy.......i should state ive never used either a 2k3 or a 2k4 though

[schoolsukz08]

Originally posted by gomster
First off you will not be able to find a BKO for $250 anymore, because there are practically no more 2K3's left, only 2K4's which cost $300. Secondly, the previous BKO models you COULD run them off Co2 but, you might run into a few problems (probably not) although, the new versions of the BKO have absolutely no problems with running Co2 because ICD has rebuilt the HPR's from the ground up.

So in conclusion, you have no clue what you are talking about.

But, you forgot one thing. The unmilled bkos aren't being shipped out anymore, so they are hard to find. Also the new milled bkos are coming with the same regs as the 03.

[gomster]

Originally posted by schoolsukz08


But, you forgot one thing. The unmilled bkos aren't being shipped out anymore, so they are hard to find. Also the new milled bkos are coming with the same regs as the 03. WRONG! The regulators on the new Extreme Milled BKO's are the 03 Model HPR's but, they are an upgraded version that can tolerate Co2 very well with no sign of problems. So in essence, they are not really 2K3 HPR's.

Yes, I did forget to mention that part about the umilled BKO's.

P.S. Sorry for kinda sounding like a jerk but, I don't like it when people diss the BKO's.

[schoolsukz08]

Originally posted by gomster
WRONG! The regulators on the new Extreme Milled BKO's are the 03 Model HPR's but, they are an upgraded version that can tolerate Co2 very well with no sign of problems. So in essence, they are not really 2K3 HPR's.

Yes, I did forget to mention that part about the umilled BKO's.

P.S. Sorry for kinda sounding like a jerk but, I don't like it when people dis the BKO's.

Okay, I was misinformed. Also I wasn't dising the BKO, I love those things, I might pick me up one.

[gomster]

Originally posted by schoolsukz08


Okay, I was misinformed. Also I wasn't dising the BKO, I love those things, I might pick me up one. No, I was apologizing to the other guys.

[Kova00]

I've used my TES many times when I play back, it works great for me. Or, The One is also a good choice. I actually have a brand new TES for sale here (http://pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=211155) if your'e interested.

[(0_o)typhoon(o_]

I got an Impulse w/ vision, evo 2, nitro tank off ebay for
460$. This thread is now DeAd:tombstne:

[synnyzter]

Originally posted by tippman killa
id say get The new Piranha evo The TES aint worth a crap i just purchased one it isnt worth the money at all the eye doesnt even work like it suppose too.... or maybe look into a dragunfire full functon lcd and get a Evo 2 with z board

maybe it's the user and not the gun...anyone who says a TES isn't worth the money doesn't know what they are talking about and probably comparing it to your $1200 Bob. 1000 in depth reviews are wrong and you are right I guess...and yes they eye does work just fine lol.