consistancy of all tippmann markers.

[arson51]

which tippmann marker out of (procarb 98c and a5) is the most consistant overall. very few of you probably own all of them. but some of you have an idea of the design and quality of all of those markers. the consistancy i believe comes from the quality of the springs and hammer. so i guess the really question is which marker out of these 3 have the highest quality valve and hammer.

wow im totaly incohernet. never post at 2:30...

[yakitori]

I dont know for sure but I think that they both have the CVX valve. I know that the procarb does, but not sure about the a5. The 98custom has the CVX too, so I am assuming that the a5 does. There shouldnt be a difference in consistency between the guns in a stock setup. HPA, a reg, a good barrel, etc. will make the marker more consistent. Basically they will have about the same precision, w/ negligable differences if any.

I just noticed the the procarb. on the tippmann site lists 500+ shots on a standard 9oz. and the A5 gets 250+ on the same 9oz. I guess that is because of the cyclone? If so, that is horrible efficiency and is reason enough not to get the a5. I bet I can rip faster than any a5 w/ RT and a cyclone. and get way better effieciency than that too. That kinda sucks if it is really true.

and for being up early, I feel the same way. My grandmother passed away yesterday and I cannot sleep that well. Plus I have this crud in my throat and nose, its driving me mad. anyway.

[dtfastj]

Originally posted by yakitori
I dont know for sure but I think that they both have the CVX valve. I know that the procarb does, but not sure about the a5. The 98custom has the CVX too, so I am assuming that the a5 does. There shouldnt be a difference in consistency between the guns in a stock setup. HPA, a reg, a good barrel, etc. will make the marker more consistent. Basically they will have about the same precision, w/ negligable differences if any.

I just noticed the the procarb. on the tippmann site lists 500+ shots on a standard 9oz. and the A5 gets 250+ on the same 9oz. I guess that is because of the cyclone? If so, that is horrible efficiency and is reason enough not to get the a5. I bet I can rip faster than any a5 w/ RT and a cyclone. and get way better effieciency than that too. That kinda sucks if it is really true.

and for being up early, I feel the same way. My grandmother passed away yesterday and I cannot sleep that well. Plus I have this crud in my throat and nose, its driving me mad. anyway.

I don't know about you being able to rip faster than any A-5 w/RT. You maybe more efficient but faster I don't know. I'm sorry to here about your Grandmother.

OH ya back on topic sorry.

[Coenen]

What gas are we talking about here?

Anyway I'm pretty sure that all three use basically the same guts, so they have about the same performance. I thought that 98C's and A-5's had CVX and ProCarbs had something else though, meh.

dtfastj, we all know about your supposedly uber fast r/t mod, I even have a good idea of how it works, but the fact remains we haven't seen any conclusive evidence on that.

[arson51]

sorry about your grandma.

are you sure that the procarb and the 98c use the [I]exact same[\i] cvx valve?

ill email tippmann tech with my list of questions im sure they will know. or give me some watered down half arsed noob answer ...

1. do the 98c procarbine and a5 use the same cvx valve. if not explain the diffrences and improvements made
2. which marker is the most precisely made out of the 3 above.
3. if using the same paint barrel and gas system which gun would be the most consistant.

these are really precise questions so i think ill get a vauge answer.

[arson51]

Originally posted by Coenen
What gas are we talking about here?

eventually when i do get my next gun its going to share a female stab and comp air tank with my emag.

i might also pop a 20 oz co2 on it in outlaw. you mentioned somthing about stabs, not using co2 and nitro. i would like to see some more info on that please!

[Coenen]

Well you know that with HPA and a Stab you'll have pretty much dead on conssitency no matter which you use it'll just be the nature of the system.

The thing about stabs, you didn't actually read through all that stuff I posted at paintball-review did you? I don't know that from experience, but I've heard that if you take a Stab and break it in on one gas, the springs in the reg are used to the unique properties of that gas. When you slap on the other such as switching from HPA to CO2 you lose a bit of consistency. It's not a complete no no it just decreases the consistency of the Stab. I'm not sure if there are any lasting effects, NN or Meph might know that one.

[yakitori]

I dont know that I can rip faster than ANY A5, but most. My Halo isnt limited to 15 bps. I dont think that the A5 RT is any different than the 98 RT in terms of ROF. That is why I am saying that I am capable of shooting faster than A5s. You will have to see it to believe it. I have said in the past too that I would rather spend 100 on a Halo B than the extra 100 for the a5 cyclone. Plus the cyclone is bulky and I personally dont like the look of it. thats my preference though. A5s are fast, but so is my RT w/ Halo B. I would like to get them in a side by side comparison. Who knows, maybe the a5 is faster, maybe not!


Palmers come w/ a lifetime warranty. If you switch to HPA in the future, and start having consistency problems, contact Palmers and they will repair it or replace it. I just switched to HPA from CO2 after breaking in my stab on CO2. I will have to wait and see how it performs. I dont think that there will be a noticable difference in consistency because HPA is a more consistent gas, and is not cold, which damages orings and seals. If there are no problems w/ the stab at the time you swich over, I dont think you will all of a sudden start having problems. I heard that you should stick w/ one gas or the other. Dont switch back and forth between them.

[arson51]

Originally posted by yakitori
I heard that you should stick w/ one gas or the other. Dont switch back and forth between them.

again i would like you to cite your source of information. im hopping to use my new tippmann as a back up so it may have to be swtiched back between co2 and hpa.

[yakitori]

Okay. This is a good topic and I have been having questions about switching between HPA and compressed air on the stabilizer. I didnt have a site w/ that info, but that is what I have been told and what has been circulated in the air systems forum.

To end our curiosity, I called Palmers Pro shop and spoke w/ Larry. Larry told me that other regulators may not be good to switch between HPA and CO2. He said that they use cheap o rings that swell and rip because of the instability of CO2. He said that the stabilizer will operate on either one and it will not hurt the stabilizer to switch. He did however, say that it may not be good for the internals of your marker, depending on what gun you have. So, that is why ppl say not to switch back and forth between HPA and CO2. It may not hurt your stabilizer, but it isnt good for your internal o rings, etc. I think if you wait until the temperature has had time to equilize then screw in your HPA tank, you might be okay, but I wouldnt carry a CO2 tank in my harness if I was using HPA in the same day.

That is straight from the Palmer Pursuit Pro Shop. If you would like to ask or verify that this is accurate....the number is 916-923-9676.

So, bottomline, will it hurt the stab? probably not. Will it hurt the internals on your marker? maybe. Is it okay to run out of air w/ an HPA tank and screw in a CO2 tank in its place? Probably not a good idea.

The Stab will actually perform better on HPA simply because HPA is already regulated straight outta the tank and is already consistent. The more consistent the input to the stab, the more consistent output from the stab to the marker.

That is no doubt a good question, and I have asked the same thing in the past. Now I know the truth.

Switching between HPA and CO2 is probably not a good idea w/ any other regulator unless you check w/ the manufacturer of that reg. Palmers says its okay to do w/ theirs.....:D

[The Kampfer]

Originally posted by yakitori
I just noticed the the procarb. on the tippmann site lists 500+ shots on a standard 9oz. and the A5 gets 250+ on the same 9oz. I guess that is because of the cyclone? If so, that is horrible efficiency and is reason enough not to get the a5.
I bet that is a error.
And I never undstand why effieciency is such big deal to many people. It is a big deal on stock class guns because they are run on 12 grams. If you have a big tank and pay less than $10 for a air pass, what differents does it make? Too lazy to wait in line for a air fill?

[arson51]

yeah rubber has a tendency to do that. when its cold it swells up and when its hot it losses elasticity(or is it the other way around). i beleive that is why the space shuttle challenger exploded. a giant frozen o ring...