can someone explain why mags cost so much?

[spyderman one]

first of all i like cockers much more than mags, i was just wondering why mags cost so much.

I see them as just a tube with a few valves inside, and they are small, so why do they cost so much, is it becuase they can or what? an autococker has much more parts and doesn't cost that much more. so can someone plz explain. :D

[Silent Knight]

well i like both mags, and autocockers and i have always asked myself that question also... maybe some mag owners can shed some light on the situation here.

mags are pretty simple, and yet they are great guns!!!! I love how they simple they function. but, whats up with the price.

[albert]

Thoguth I dont own a mag, i've seen someone with an e-frame on it and it shot exceptionally well... a full hopper at 14 bps fully auto (non-stop) no chopped balls...

Just cause cockers have more parts doesnt make it better...

[~absolute~zero~]

i dont see why they cost so much either they dont even have a barrel :pissed:

[Magadeth]

Why do cockers cost so much? they are just a pump gun with some pneumatics slapped onto it. /jk ;)

but seriosly folks, look at what you are getting wtih a mag.

A high quality in gun reg. No other reg is needed with a mag.

All stainless steel construction.= very durable, will last forever.

Blowforward design enables a very light bolt.= no kick when firing it.

Super simple field stripping. Remove one screw, pull the trigger, twist the valve and pull. Your done.

Oil, gas and go reliability.

Small compact size makes a handy package for any style of play.

+/- 1-2 bps consistency on hpa 2-8 bps on co2 means consistent accuracy.

high rate of fire on Automags, even faster on rt's and E-mags.

Super cutomer service. Check out www.automags.org and look for posts by AGD. Thats tom Kaye. He is the President of AGD and inventor of the Automag. Show me another company where the OWNER is so helpful to his customers, and so enthusiastic about the sport.


I guess Mag owners just dont see whats so great about a bulky gun with a lot of parts hanging off of it, but to each thier own. :|

[Richy_C]

Because of the steal. And who cares if they put on a barrel or not? How long do people play w/stock barrels? Honestly, this thread was made by someone who wants an indirect way of saying mags suck, cockers are better.

[spyderman one]

most of the stuff you people have said didn't explain why they cost so much, btw in my opinion i think paintball cost to much in general, i think they charge that much becuase they can. a case a paintballs only takes like 12 dollars to make (thats what i heard) and the people that sell em just mark the price up. this is all my opinion you can say/believe whatever you want (even though its wrong :P ) j/k, lol,



but what everyone says still doesn't explain the price, but only why you think it is good. :wink3:

[Magadeth]

Why does a Picasso cost more than a picture of 'three dogs playing poker'?
Why does fine champagne cost more than wild turkey?
Why does a cuban cigar cost more than a swischer sweet?

Steel costs a lot more than aluminum, and is more expensive to machine.

If you take the time to assure quality, that also drives up costs.

AGD spends a TON of time and effort on research and developement. This also cuts into profits.

Look at the reputation of the cheapo BE markers out there, you get what you pay for.

[Silent Knight]

Originally posted by ~absolute~zero~
i dont see why they cost so much either they dont even have a barrel :pissed:

the reason for this is so the user can customize the gun the way he/she wants it. AGD saves more money that way, heck who keeps the stock barrel anyways? that is always the first thing to go.... there you go.

[SEPHIROTH_086]

Price has gone down on em, theyre very very cheap now, but anyways i still prefer cockers cuz im gettin one in December yay for me:D

[davkad]

one of my friends loves mags and cockers, but he bought a really nice mag a little while ago. He now wants to trade it for a cocker. Mags are the sort of guns that can be put away for a year in the closet, then you put a little oil on it, and it will be ready to play right out. A cocker needs maintenance, and a lot of people like mechanics of a pball gun. Plus the sheer size difference, i like the big cocker to a minimag. there is a guy trying to sell him mag in these forums just because it is too easy maintenance, he wants one to tinker with and fix.

[spyderman one]

i am getting a cocker in december too :D , if adg spends so much time developing stuff then why isn't there more mags? also magadeth proved himself worthy of the title idiot, but i do get his point. people that don't have alot of money to spend do keep the sticl barrels, i am going to keep my cocker stock for awhilebeacause i don't have enough money to upgrade it right away.


so when you buy a mag.....you are just basically paying for the steel?thats crap....

[albert]

Originally posted by spyderman one
people that don't have alot of money to spend do keep the sticl [I think he means stock] barrels

Well people who dont have alot of money to spend usually dont buy minimags :rolleyes:

people who dont have alot of money to spend usually go with low-end markers...

[spyderman one]

i don't have alot of money and i'm getting a cocker..... people around 13 and 14 can't get jobs, so they save up to get the gun and then they have to save up even more just to get a barrel for an automag.

[snipinhick]

ok spydie....

hold on a second...

look at what you just said, "also megadeath proved himself worthy of the title idiot."

you just said that to a person that has probably forgotten more information than you have learned, And you can get a mag that comes stock with everything you need to play, most people don't buy it that way because they know they want something different and more customized.
why isn't there more mags you say? because people like trends, they see a black magic cocker and set there goals for buying one, even though most likely they have never shot one, popularity for a gun has almost NO significants on how they operate, for instance, In my years of playing (3) I have seen only one other phantom where ever I have played, my gun kicks *** (phantom) So tell me, does popularity have much to do with a guns ability?

that's what I thought, go cry into your mothers blossoms.

[DontKillWhitey]

Sypderman is just ignorant. Why even bother with this loser.

[frenchtoastdude]

lol, no one can explain it.

[spyderman one]

lol, didn't you keep reading i said "also magadeth proved himself worthy of the title idiot, but i do get his point" so i guess you didn't get that far now did you. also why did you bring up popularity, and why did you say "that's what I thought" when i haven't even replied yet :laugh: at snipinhick as for DontKillWhitey he can't explain it so he had to get mad and that probably mad his tiny little head explode and get brains all over his computer then i bet that made his mom got mad and he had to clean it up with a fork so he could it back in his head then he has to get a steel plate in his head and now i bet he can listen to the radio in class. nuf' said


btw you people are doofy

also i have shot cockers and studied them and crap i am not buying one just because alot of other people like them. so i would suggest everyone calm there nerves cuz this could get ugly :eyes:

[snipinhick]

ok, for popularity, you posted "if adg spends so much time developing stuff then why isn't there more mags" that would refer to the fact that numerically there is not as many mags as some other non specific marker, hence popularity.

I also didn't say that you personally hadn't shot a cocker, I was just trying to give examples why the mag is so out numbered buy the cocker etc.

and to that little enactment you recited, you truly are a moron and deserve the boards foot in your ***. If you want to flame a person, do it over PM.

[albert]

spyderman your an idiot. he asked a rhetorical question..

does a gun's popularity have anything to do with its ability? OF COURSE NOT

Originally posted by spyderman one
also i have shot cockers and studied them and crap i am not buying one just because alot of other people like them.

have you shot a minimag?

[spyderman one]

that wasn't a flame at all just a story i made up and i used his name as the main character. i don't know if you noticed but i have been on these boards much longer than you and i only recently have gotten threats of getting my *** booted because i gotta get mad at retards like you

[albert]

wow you are so cool, you've been registered longer then us :rolleyes:

[spyderman one]

that doesn't make me cooler, dumby, your easily impressed, i wonder what what happen if i showed you a pointed stick, you might faint. :laugh: so does anyone have anything to say besides to attack me. :P, as far as i know, mags just cost so much because people want to pay high prices and that they are made a steel.

[snipinhick]

wow a pointed stick!!! you scare me mister spyder man:rolleyes:

Did your mother ever loose her grip while holding you as a child, resulting in a head injury?:laugh:

oh and to respond to the retards comment. hypocritical use of the term retard or any of its plural forms is not good, please stop.

[Shifty Capone]

id get a mag they look kool

[spyderman one]

ya she did, j/k, why can't we all just get along, can't you guys see that i haven't gotten mad yet like a bunch of people...., so i guess noone can explain it 'cept for tom kaye

[snipinhick]

check out the www.automags.org forums if you don't really know why.

[Magadeth]

Idiot?:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Spyderboy1, I hope I have in some way helped you to get a clue. What is your major Malfuntion anyways?

Thank you though, for making me laugh.:D

[Major Woods]

There are several reasons that Automags cost more.
1) Material cost, stainless steel is 7 times more expensive than aluminum.
2) Tooling costs, tools used to cut SS are more expensive.
3) Welding cost, welding is an expensive process.
4) Brazing costs, see above.
5) Complex machining of intersecting holes in valve and bolt.
6) Machining equipment, computerized machines must be used.
7) Laser engraving.
8) Excellent quality control group.
:cool:

[Incube]

Well mags are the EASIST GUNS TO MAKE

Directions to making a mag:

First you take a rubber tube and seal it at one end
THEN you take and paintball gun frame and jam it to the bottom of the tube.
Put a hole in the top and put your hopper in.
MAGS dont run on gas they fire by themselves :)

There now pull the trigger and get your oponnets.

Why buy one when you can make one ;)

Resoltes may very.

[spyderman one]

oh well lost cause

[UTLadiesMan]

I don't see how this is possible. I leave for a few months, then come back, and Incube's comments have become more inane.

Aren't people supposed to increase intelligence and wisdom over time? I feel sorry for any of your teachers that have to evaluate your essays...

[Incube]

BAHAHAHA welcome back!
Did you know febuary isnt a full month untell the leap year?

[spyderman one]

it is a full month at anytime because if it was only half a month it would still be a full month. if it ended halfway through it would still be a full one.

[Peter A.]

yes well ading to list of ignorant kids is the one the only spyder arse!!!congrats

[Intimidation]

I am not sure if this really matters or not any more,but another reason for the price is,if compared to a different gun of equal abilities,with the same barrel,the mag would be probably cheaper.Also,the reason that there are more kinds cockers than mags is because that WGP depends on having flashy equipment to sell to unsuspecting kids who want to show off on the field,while AGD depends on the knowledge that their equipment works,works well,and works everytime,no matter what.There are two kinds of people that have confidence in their equipment,the kind of people that depend on the look of their marker (Yeah! this flashy anodizing job and those chrome things will make my game ROCK!!!,and the people that are confident because they know that they will never have to really worry about failures in their equipment on the field).They are the ones who walk buy a kid who has the latest splattermaster2010 4000 ZXT with the new hyper shine finish,knowing that he will be the first to be taken out because he depends on looking good in the staging area to make himself do good on the field.(actually,there are three kinds of people,the people with sweet tricked out mags!!!!!But until kids nowadays get a brain {and a mag}Those people will be a minority).Sorry that this was so long,but once you start typing,you can't stop:)

[gimp]

You should head over to automags.org for a while. Search through some of the older posts and find ones by AGD (thats Tom Kaye, the president of AGD). That will show you what they're up too.

I dont know to much about cockers, but I can tell you a little about whats been happening with AGD. Obviously, they just recently came out with the E-Mag, warp feed, new SFL emags, modular bodies,and the intelliframe. Now they're working on totally new bodies, a new minimag design, 4500psi tanks, the new superbolt, and some other stuff that Tom wont tell us.

AGD has excellent customer service. Pretty much any thing that happens with your gun (as long as you dont do something really stupid), they will fix for free. There is a real close relationship between the company and it's customers, which is very cool. You get that cool video with your gun too. :) With an automag, the stock valves are the best, so you won't need to upgrade that. The only upgrades you'll really want are nitro and a revvy. If your running Co2 then you'll want an x-chamber. A new grip is usually nice to have too.

Hope that helped a little, head on over to http://www.automags.org and you'll get a really good answer there. Maybe from Tom Kaye himself.

[DefiantMan3901]

AGD upgrades their stock parts to the best for that level of marker and keeps the cost the same, if cockers came with the best parts stock then they would cost about 800 for the low end version. Plus cockers are not made well out of the box and really expect you to buy new parts. If the 3-way and ram was black and not brass color, you would see a lot more of them still on guns. The automag is probably more complex then the autococker if you think about it. All of the mechanics on the mag are packed into the vavle/bolt assembly, on the cocker they are spread all over the gun.

[Halliday]

Where did this thread come from?

Keep it clean guys.

Why do Mags cost so much? I have to ask, what do you mean by "so much?" Are you comparing them to say a stock Cocker? The price difference is actually not very big.