CO2 in COLDD air

[forumsk83r]

we might go paintballin this sunday and im worried cuz its still cold and we're gunna go to a outdoor spot, the temp should be around 30-40? and i was wonderin if i put warm socks over my c02 would that prevent it from messin up? if not, what do you guys use or recommend?

[forumsk83r]

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[paintballer42o]

The cold air sont mess up your Tank, although putting a sock over it is a good idea if YOu dont want to get cold...cause its freakin freezin.

[erickillebrew]

i would put a plastic bag around the sock so it doesnt get wet cause if it gets wet it would be usless and cold

[forumsk83r]

i thought if its cold, the gun wont recock....i thought somebody said that....

[g_splat]

CO2 + Cold = Crappy Paintball
:bouncy:
The entire premise of CO2 as a paintball propellant is based on the air outside of the paintball tank being warmer than CO2 itself. The closer the outside air is temperature-wise to the CO2, the less power the CO2 will pack to propel the paintball. Generally, if the air temperature is 40 – 35 degrees, your CO2 will have maybe a few good shots off a full tank till it will now be able to re-cock your semi-automatic markers bolt. This is due to the fact that when CO2 is cold, it’s in a liquid state. When it’s warm, it’s in a gaseous state.

I’d highly suggest that if you want to play paintball outside during the colder months, that you switch over to High Pressure Air (HPA), which is sometimes incorrectly called Nitro. HPA is the same air we breathe every day, just under extreme pressure (i.e.: 3000 psi, etc…). You’ll fill your HPA tank off a scuba tank. Seeing the HPA is the same air

Here’s some more good information on CO2:

Overview Of Liquid Carbon Dioxide (CO2)
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is a non-flammable, colorless, odorless gas, which exhibits an acidic taste. It is found in air at concentrations of about 0.03%. Carbon dioxide may exist simultaneously as a solid, liquid, and gas at a temperature of -69.9 degrees F (-56.6 degrees C) and a pressure of 60.4 psig (416 kPa). At a temperature of -110 degrees F (-79 degrees C) and atmospheric pressure, carbon dioxide solidifies forming "dry ice" at a density of 97.4 pounds per cubic foot. Because of its low concentration in the atmosphere, air is not a suitable feedstock for carbon dioxide production. Rather, carbon dioxide is obtained for by-product streams from various manufacturing processes, such as the combustion of coal and natural gas. Bulk quantities of carbon dioxide are usually stored and shipped as liquid under elevated pressure and refrigeration.
Although not truly inert, carbon dioxide is nonreactive with many materials and is often used for inerting purposes, such as blanketing and purging of tanks and reactors. Mixed with argon at various levels, carbon dioxide is valuable as a shielding gas in the arc welding process. In this application carbon dioxide is the best shielding gas because of its high heat conductivity and its ability to oxidize ferrous metals. Argon mixed with carbon dioxide usually increases penetration of the weld in most metals.
Carbon dioxide is also used as the source of bubbles in soft drinks and other carbonated beverages. It is used to fill certain types of fire extinguishers that rely on its inert properties, density, and low temperature when released from high pressure storage. In addition to its "inert" properties, carbon dioxide as dry ice is used to freeze a variety of foods.

DOT Information
DOT Name: Carbon Dioxide, Liquefied
DOT Hazard Class: Nonflammable Gas
DOT Label: Nonflammable Gas
DOT ID No.: UN1013
CAS No.: 624-64-6
Valve Outlet: CGA 320, CGA 960 Pin-indexed

Physical State in High Pressure
Cylinder: Liquid under own vapor pressure
Fire Potential: Non-Flammable
Major Hazards: Asphyxiant, High Pressure Inhalation

Physical Properties of Carbon Dioxide
Formula: CO2
Molecular Weight: 44.01 lb/mol
Specific Volume at 70°F and 1 atm:[/B] 8.74 ft3/lb (0.42 m3/kg)
Specific Heat: 8.92 BTU/lbmol-deg F@ 70 deg. F
Specific Gravity: 1.555
Gas Density: .1144 lb/ ft3 @ 70 deg. F. 14.7 PSIA
Psat @ 70 deg F: 852.8 psia
Liquid Density @ 70 deg F: 47.64 lb/ft3
Boiling Point: Temperature: -109.2 deg. F (-79 deg. C)
Critical Point: Temperature: 87.9 deg. F
Pressure: 1070.6 PSIA
Triple Point : Temperature: -69.9 deg. F
Pressure: 75.13 PSIA

I hope you guys find this helpful!
:pbr:

[shortman506]

nitro is an incorrect name, its short for nitrogen. however nitrous oxide is an incorrect name.

[forumsk83r]

haha thanks but i dont wanna get hpa cuz im not rich but i will in a while but what can i do to prevent it? put socks over the co2?

[Corndawg]

ahhh i hate CO2 in the cold. when you shoot it creats a wall of fog discharge out of the end of the barrel. you have to stop firing so you can see what to shoot at

i like the sock plastic bag idea that would most likely work. i have never had trouble with it. of course i have never played in below 30 weather. stupid seattle:mad:

[eskEEmo]

Dude, I live up north in canada and me and my friends have been playing paintball for the last month and its been like around -10 degrees celsius and we dont use any kind of special co2 or anything. We use normal co2 with normal co2 tanks and normal paintballs and they work fine. My one friend uses a Tippmann 98 custom and the other uses a Tippmann a-5 and I use a Armotech WG-65 and all of are guns don't seem to have any problems. You might see a lot of co2 risidual come out the end of your barrel and maybe even a few drops of liquid co2 (very rare does this happen) but when it does just shoot one or two paintballs and it cleared out. However I once did see someone using a Bras Eagle Talon Ghost and he never shot a painball for about an hour and when he did go to shoot the 12 gram cartridge was frozen but all he did was change it for another one which was in his pocket so it was kept nice and warm. We have no problems and we are even wondering about playing some time earlier next year at around -20. We just say "Hey, We wanna play paintball, who cares how cold it is". If you have the chance to play paintball. PLAY IT!

[andrew 2589]

i bet you guys use tippmans

[forumsk83r]

alright thanks yall:love: heres my love yall

[mokalman]

Originally posted by andrew 2589
i bet you guys use tippmans

Nope, he just said that in his post to be dumb.


Heeeere's your sign.

[slikna99]

ITs funny, co2 is really a terrible thing to use for paintball. It freezes your marker in the winter, and is terribly inconsistant in the summer. I say get rid of co2 and just have everyone get compressed air tanks

[slipknot507gr]

Nice post g_splat. One thing though, you put

Molecular Weight: 44.01 lb/mol


when it should be

Molecular Weight: 44.01 g/mol



g/mol not lb/mol

sorry i'm a perfectionist:D


Good post though, very informative



This winter I played when I only had co2 (didnt have my hpa yet) and it was terrible. My gun literally froze up, there was frost all over it. Don't even bother playing with co2 during the winter, unless you can find somewhere indoors to play

[penguins_r_kewl]

Duct tape around your gas line and put about five socks on your tank, then you will be fine.

Another advantage nitro has. It freezes at -15 degrees farhenheit.

My spell check isn't working. :(

[g_splat]

Originally posted by shortman506
nitro is an incorrect name, its short for nitrogen. however nitrous oxide is an incorrect name.

Actually, when HPA was first introduced, many people made the incorrect assumption that it was nitrogen. This was due to the fact that nitrogen was originally used before HPA took its place (i.e.: cheaper, safer, etc…). The slang name has stuck for HPA in some circles.

[sniper222]

Ok, people i'm here to help.;) All you have to do it put a sock over your co2 tank(already suggested), but you don't stop there, then you place a couple hand or foot warmers in the sock! That will keep it pritty cozzy.:laugh: