Surrender!!!!

[Witt]

Question...When someone comes up to you and yells the words that hurt you deep inside..."SURRENDER" What do you do...Do you shoot...Surrender or ask them to surrender. In my opinion Surrendering is *** but what do you do..They have a right to shoot you. Do you shoot them.?

[Incube]

Hmmmmmmmm............
Good question. I have seen newbies just start yelling surrender back and fourth at each other.
I belive it matters how far away thay are if thay are right besides you you should give up. if the are like 10 to 20 feet or more blow the **** out of em never yell surrender back if they yelled it first that just goes on and on if he yells it first and he is right beside you give up and dont fight about it. but if he is 10 or more feet away shot him it dosent make sense to surrender if the guy/girl is a safe distance to yell surrender and then you give up or that would ruin the game

[Richy_C]

hmm, i beleive in the surrender rule saves me welts and arguing

[Joel Timberlake]

I think surrendering is retarded, when people ask me to surrender, I shoot them. Serves them right...

[Witt]

Thats right. Why surrender...You have the right to shoot em~!

[Incube]

Originally posted by Incube
Hmmmmmmmm............
Good question. I have seen newbies just start yelling surrender back and fourth at each other.
I belive it matters how far away thay are if thay are right besides you you should give up. if the are like 10 to 20 feet or more blow the **** out of em never yell surrender back if they yelled it first that just goes on and on if he yells it first and he is right beside you give up and dont fight about it. but if he is 10 or more feet away shot him it dosent make sense to surrender if the guy/girl is a safe distance to yell surrender and then you give up or that would ruin the game
not to sound self absorbed but i belive my way is the best way

[Joel Timberlake]

Originally posted by Witt
Thats right. Why surrender...You have the right to shoot em~!

Damn right...when they tell you to surrender, why should you actually do it?

[Phaelon Veritas]

Hell yeah remember me as the jiggah who died gunnin :) I with incube unless some one has their barrel almost in my back don't bother to yell surrender , although it would be cool to here someone say surrender and pull some kung fu shizot and turn around backhanding their gun and putting two in their chest...

[Cory]

i alwsays shoot the person that tells me to surrender. no one has ever shot me after they yelled surrender, no one ever will either. i see no point in surrendering, go down fighting.

[Not Too Shabby]

surrendering just doesn't work for me. Everytime I have yelled "Surrender!!", they just turn around and shoot. It is pointless unless someone has a barrel stuck up to their neck.

[antiramie]

In tournament play, is there a rule that says u have to say SURRENDER if ur within so many feet of the enemy? If the person has their gun to your back, is it against the rules to turn around and knock the gun out of their hands?

[MuckRaker]

Touchy subject ... Our field had a rule that if you were within five feet of a player, and obviously had the drop on that player (i.e. his back is turned to you) then he has to surrender, and if he turns and shoots you, he's out and you're still in. But, it wasn't enforced well and fell by the wayside. Then, last week, they said it was three-feet.

I think the person being bunkered needs to think about it, and not in terms of tournament play where players can expect to be hit at close quarters. Afterall, no one plays a tournament 100 percent of the time. Most of the time we're on Rec Fields with players of many different levels of experience.

If I get hit at five feet or three feet, well, it's because I did something foolish, but I'm not so sure I'd blaze a newbie at that distance.

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by antiramie
In tournament play, is there a rule that says u have to say SURRENDER if ur within so many feet of the enemy? If the person has their gun to your back, is it against the rules to turn around and knock the gun out of their hands?

In tourney play, that's referred to as being "Screwed" and you get lit up. Not because tournie players are mean, but because shooting someone 3 times in the back, guarantees at least one ball will break, and that guy will be eleiminated. Yelling suurender doesnt guarantee a darn thing, and you dont want to screw around with chances like that in a tourney. Myself, I never use surrender, except for one time, when i yelled surrender, because I just couldnt bring myself to shoot my mom in the back of her head. I'm hoping you guys would do the same :) If someone yells surrender to me, I dive forward, rotate 180 degrees, and land on my back shooting. Works half the time, the other half the person yells "surrender" and nails me before I could even answer had I wanted to surrender. With newbies, I dont yell surrender, but then I make a conscious effort never to shoot em from within 15 feet, so it doesnt become an issue

[Not Too Shabby]

A lot of people get pissed if you put 3 balls in their back. I have been accused of overshooting in the past and have tried to lighten up a bit. Last week we were playing in deep brush and I had a perfect hiding spot. Some guy walked up within 20 feet of me and I shot twice. Both balls bounced off his sleeve. I was soon tagged out.

People need to realize that 3 or 4 hits is not overshooting. I make it a point to fire untill I'm sure of success. It is better to "overshoot" a guy than to let him get away. An apology will usually smooth things over if they react negatively.

This applies to surrender also. People get pissed if you fire on them from close range. That is just part of paintball. If you can't handle the pain, don't play the game.

[MuckRaker]

Again, overshooting is a touchy subject ... Can you see that the first or second round busted, but continued to shoot anyway? ... Was the target yelling "I'm hit, I'm hit," and you continued to shoot anyway?

If so, then you overshot. It may not be the perfect definition, but if you continue to nail someone even though you know they're out, then you overshot. I'm not saying that the first ball hit, the second and third ball were already in flight, that's not overshoot, but if you fired a fourth, fifth and sixth shot, well, that's overshooting.

[elTwitcho]

yeah, it's one thing to put 10 or 11 shots on someone's back, but 3 shots is by no means overshooting, and it's mostly new players who get upset. I find that the more experienced guys usually make a smart aszed comment, and say they'll get you back for it. Newbies, with rental coveralls, and rental guns, I try and only shoot once, because they often call themselves out at a bounce or break, and after all, it is only rec, I'd rather have someone enjoy themselves and come paintballing again, than to cover that persons back in welts, and be sure he's out. I'm pretty leniant to newbies, everyone else gets 3 to be sure :)

[Witt]

Yeah..The surrender rule dissapoints me. It is stupid. Why just guve up..Isnt paintball about defending yourself?

[Richy_C]

hmm, excessivle is a newbie w/an impule never letting go othe trigger, anything more that 3 is good reason to be PO

[polarbear]

Originally posted by MuckRaker

It may not be the perfect definition, but if you continue to nail someone even though you know they're out, then you overshot. I'm not saying that the first ball hit, the second and third ball were already in flight, that's not overshoot, but if you fired a fourth, fifth and sixth shot, well, that's overshooting.

I agree that it is that you know they are out or they have called out, but when you hit some one and they don't call themself out then I think they are fair game. I shot in 3 or 4 round bursts. If I hit someone and they don't call themself out because of a bounce or something, I start shooting again and yell "I won't stop this time unless they call yourself out." If they are bouncing and they don't want to surrender thats fine but I not going to stop shooting either.

[elTwitcho]

My kinda guy :)

[spyderman one]

i call surrender when i'm seriously out number, such as i was in the top floor of a building, and i had no clue i was only person left. the other team had like 9 people left. they surronded the building, what was left to do, get shot hundreds of times. I think surrender is good in tight spots.

[Witt]

My guy as well. I thinnk he has great thinkin.

[Litespeed]

I speak from the pain of yellin surrender as being a very ignorant thing to do. If you were able to sneak up on them and can shoot them without a headshot and without endangering the recipient, shoot them. I made that newbie mistake a way back. Got up behind someone, yelled surrender, then got blasted by a dude about six feet away to my right that didn't know i was there, and i definately didn't know he was there. i had about 6 whelps on my side for a week. Learned the hard way. At least the dude i yelled at was man enough to admit i would have got the kill. That takes great dignity to admit that. I've never been on the other end though. Probably wouldn't give up.

[Predator2]

It depends. I only shoot back if im playing against someone i don't know. If im playing w/ a group of people i know in the woods i will surrender no matter wut b/c the people there are smart enough to say surrender when they are only a foot away. If they are and i see they are ten feet away i shoot them

[antiramie]

Nah, even if i was surrounded by 100 people, Id still try to take out as many as possible. I would never give myself up unless there was a nice juicy paint mark on my arm.

[Incube]

Originally posted by elTwitcho
yeah, it's one thing to put 10 or 11 shots on someone's back, but 3 shots is by no means overshooting, and it's mostly new players who get upset. I find that the more experienced guys usually make a smart aszed comment, and say they'll get you back for it. Newbies, with rental coveralls, and rental guns, I try and only shoot once, because they often call themselves out at a bounce or break, and after all, it is only rec, I'd rather have someone enjoy themselves and come paintballing again, than to cover that persons back in welts, and be sure he's out. I'm pretty leniant to newbies, everyone else gets 3 to be sure :)

I Agree

[MuckRaker]

Originally posted by polarbear
Originally posted by MuckRaker

It may not be the perfect definition, but if you continue to nail someone even though you know they're out, then you overshot. I'm not saying that the first ball hit, the second and third ball were already in flight, that's not overshoot, but if you fired a fourth, fifth and sixth shot, well, that's overshooting.

I agree that it is that you know they are out or they have called out, but when you hit some one and they don't call themself out then I think they are fair game. I shot in 3 or 4 round bursts. If I hit someone and they don't call themself out because of a bounce or something, I start shooting again and yell "I won't stop this time unless they call yourself out." If they are bouncing and they don't want to surrender thats fine but I not going to stop shooting either.

yeah, someone who won't call "hit" is just asking for pain(t) to come their way. Friday I played a night game, and there was this newbie I hit at least six times, but I kept calling at him to check his hopper, check his shirt, and he still wouldn't call himself out ... So i just kept peppering him. After the game was over, he was standing with some friends and I walked by and his hopper was covered with my paint, yellow paint and Blaze fragments all over his hopper ... I mean, what a Dufus.

[Devil Man]

fortunately ive never been in that situation but knowing my ******* self i figure id justt shout NEVER and run :eek: :)

[FnlVlocty]

Surrender is not an option...
So, I don't offer them...
They would never know until they feel the soft paint.. :D

[Silent Knight]

well over here, on the field i play on, it's called "saftey kill" same thing i guess. I probably would give up. It's a saftey issue and sportsmanship thing i guess. Nobody likes to be shot at point blank range.

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[Joel Timberlake]

Originally posted by Silent Knight
well over here, on the field i play on, it's called "saftey kill" same thing i guess. I probably would give up. It's a saftey issue and sportsmanship thing i guess. Nobody likes to be shot at point blank range.

I don't care if they like to be or not. They come up to me, I shoot them. They are dumb for asking, they should just shoot.

[Incube]

Haha i was shot point blank in the chest by some tard of a newbie with an auto it stung like a bicth and i was brused all over and the bruse didnt leve for like 3 weeks and i coulndt sleep

[Pakman]

I think the surrender rule is usually just confusing but still serves an important purpose. One game I played I asked a guy to surrender and then he said it back to me and I was not sure if he was surrendering or not. I said ok, because I thought he was acknowledging my asking to surrender, but instead he ran over to the bunker I was still behind, looked at me, and then shot me. Let me just say that point-blank shots really really suck! I seem to always have a problem with the surrender rule but it can be fun sometimes when it is just easier to ask someone than wasting your time trying to tag them. I also like it because if someone has their barrel less than 5-10 feet away from me, I would rather give up than have a welt for 2 weeks. I read something about this in APG a while back and the article also said that it makes it more realistic because on the battlefield, surrender is possible. I think there needs to be a more clear way of dealing with surrender and all players need to have a good understanding of it.

[Incube]

PAKMAN is cool (not you the game) J/K

[Not Too Shabby]

Some scenario games have a "tag" rule to keep point-blank hits from occuring. Instead of telling a player to surrender, you simply sneak up and tag them out. Maybe this idea should be incorperated into rec-ball more often.

[MuckRaker]

I understand the "Take no prisoners" mentality of Tournament play ... but on a Rec Field, I just don't think you should nail a first-time player at point blank, surrender rule or not, it doesn't do anything for the game, or the player.

[Not Too Shabby]

Originally posted by Not Too Shabby
Some scenario games have a "tag" rule to keep point-blank hits from occuring. Instead of telling a player to surrender, you simply sneak up and tag them out. Maybe this idea should be incorperated into rec-ball more often.

I just realized that this isn't exactly clear. I am referring to a physical tag with your hand.

[Incube]

i think the tag idea is good

[TLplus84]

yeah i think that's a good idea too..last time i went to a tourney a guy ran up to me and just shot me..it hurt..i don't think a newbie would like it if some ccrazy guy ran up to them, shot them point blank.....tag rule is good for rec games..

[Incube]

yhea not so good for tournys