Brass Eagle is...

[KOTOWA]

Ok, eversince Brass Eagle purchased JT and Viewloader, those 2 companies have been making guns, balls, and other stuff they werent making before. Heres my question, then reply with why you think that.:blah:

[AllOleander]

Before Brass Eagle bought out JT and VL, they were making quality products. I have two examples below for both companies taken over by BE, and how they have NOT been quality products like the old (pre-BE) products:

The ViewLoader Revolution

Before Brass Eagle bought out this company and pretty much took over it, the revolution was the most used loader in the industry. Now, since BE has taken over, the Gem Series loaders would activate in the sun. (Not quality) There was also a delay (up to a full second on the gem series revolutions) on the new Brass Eagle/View Loader Revolutions.

Now consumers that bought the BE/VL Revolution, have to purchases an aftermarket chip to fix the delay. (The X-Board) This should come w/ the loader and the xboard should atleast come free to the revolution owners. But no, they have to buy it, thus letting BE have more money. (THEY ARE ALREADY RICH!)

I think they are kind of greedy and they are not producing quality products.

The JT Proteus Mask

All i can say is I'm glad i kept my flex7 IZE (last mask made by pre-BE JT) I'm glad i dind't go out and spend 150$ on an overpriced mask that comes with faulty ear pieces. The Proteus was releaced w/ faulty earpieces, that needed to be fixed cause this wasn't safe. Now they are fine, but I mean..come on. You shouldn't have to feel like the thing is going to come apart when you spend 150$ on a mask that is made by a billion dollar company.

This is just poor quality.

These first two products produced by BE came faulty and were NOT examples of the good quality that JT and VL once had.

I do like Brass Eagle. I think it is great how they introduce new players to the sport and allow new players to play with their own gun for very cheap.

However, i DO NOT LIKE how they took over JT and VL. These are two BIG companies that atleast 80% of the pros have some products by either JT or VL or both.. I mean think about it, how many NPPL players use a VL Revolution or a JT mask/jersey. Many pro teams are sponsored by JT / VL. They are professionals..they should get good quality, just as much as the rest of us should.

I think BE should just stay making products for newbies. I dont think that they should interfere w/ experienced players cause they just mess it up for them. They are great for newbies, but they just make high end respected companies have a bad name and they take away the quality that JT/VL once had.

Why? Is it because they aren't as skilled at making their products? Or taht they dont have the machinery to make the products as well? No.. I believe it is because they do not care about the players like JT/VL did. They only care about money IMO.. so they will not take the extra time/money to double check their products..and they wont make sure their products pass safety tests, etc.

So is BE a good company? Yes they are for low end players.
Should they have taken over JT/VL? NO.. these are two big companies in the industry and the quality of their products have gone DOWN since BE took them over.

I voted no.

Just my opinions. But already there has been 2 FLAWS (not little flaws..BIG ones.. ones that caused many injuries [mask] and frusterated many players by chopping balls [delay in rev]) in the products they have first produced already. Maybe they will improve and i hope they do. But for now, they have not proven themselves to me.

[Codestar20]

I agree 100% with you AllO. BE should just make products for newbies. My green gem revy will delay sometimes while in the sunlight but only if the sun is just right on it to mess with the sensor. I have a Spyder Xtra and until I get a higher end gun or e-frame I won't get the X-board or any other chip.

[ElectricHead]

i think that it is a good thing. all paintball products that are released have initial bugs, and the guns and equippment these other companies are releasing are not necessarily low quality. the new seamless JT paintballs are very nice, and the avenger is a good beginner gun.

[DontKillWhitey]

BRASS EAGLE IS THE COOLEST! Sure most of there products blow but atleast they get people into the sport.

[Mushi]

Dude, people...
I don't know how many times I've had to write this, but Brass Eagle OWNS Viewloader and JT, they don't run those companies. It's true that Brass Eagle is only interested in money, but that money comes from revenue made by JT and Viewloader. BE has some say in how those companies are run, but for the most part they will stay away, because they want them to keep making money.

JT's proteus had a recall because of JT's proteus being weak, not because of anything BE did. Also, it was a minor defect and that problem has been fixed. What about PMI's recall of like 10 different markers? About the X-board, all new revy's ship with the X-board, its not something brass eagle conceived to make more money. If they didn't care, they wouldn't have bothered.

People give BE a bad rap because they go out and buy a plastic Talon/sabre/samurai/whatever that's been abused before its even been sold (I've seen it happen.). They wonder why it falls apart even though its made out of plastic, despite the fact they got it for $20 at walmart along with some whack paint. Brass Eagle doesn't degrade the sport of paintball at all. In fact, they're probably doing a lot more for the sport than a lot of other "high profile" companies are. If you don't like their gear, you don't have to buy it. Simple as that, the more choices there are out there, the better.

[jaredu]

I voted yes because without brass eagle, no one that I play with (app. 40-50 people) would be playing to this day and I would still be persimmoning cars or egging....heheheh

[w00twoot]

Brass eagle is the microsoft of paintball they have a monoply over most the items in paintball..I mean who doesnt have a jt mask or a veiw loader hopper good think other companies are making new hoppers =)

[snipinhick]

i have a 32* hopper, and a 5 year old scott mask.

[PBSyndicate]

Originally posted by ElectricHead
i think that it is a good thing. all paintball products that are released have initial bugs, and the guns and equippment these other companies are releasing are not necessarily low quality. the new seamless JT paintballs are very nice, and the avenger is a good beginner gun.

Not true, the Diablo Skull mask past all safety tests the FIRST time around. Also, like AllOleander put so very well, their products weren’t having nearly as many problems till Brass Eagle bought them out. In a way they're becoming a paintball monopoly.

[PBSyndicate]

Originally posted by Mushi
Dude, people...
I don't know how many times I've had to write this, but Brass Eagle OWNS Viewloader and JT, they don't run those companies. It's true that Brass Eagle is only interested in money, but that money comes from revenue made by JT and Viewloader. BE has some say in how those companies are run, but for the most part they will stay away, because they want them to keep making money.

JT's proteus had a recall because of JT's proteus being weak, not because of anything BE did. Also, it was a minor defect and that problem has been fixed. What about PMI's recall of like 10 different markers? About the X-board, all new revy's ship with the X-board, its not something brass eagle conceived to make more money. If they didn't care, they wouldn't have bothered.

People give BE a bad rap because they go out and buy a plastic Talon/sabre/samurai/whatever that's been abused before its even been sold (I've seen it happen.). They wonder why it falls apart even though its made out of plastic, despite the fact they got it for $20 at walmart along with some whack paint. Brass Eagle doesn't degrade the sport of paintball at all. In fact, they're probably doing a lot more for the sport than a lot of other "high profile" companies are. If you don't like their gear, you don't have to buy it. Simple as that, the more choices there are out there, the better.

Just curious, how do you know that Brass Eagle has no influence on JT and VL? Since the changed ownership, both companies have begun to create markers and paint, something they never manufactured before. Is this just a coincidence, or do you know something that we all don't?

[AllOleander]

Originally posted by Mushi
Dude, people...
I don't know how many times I've had to write this, but Brass Eagle OWNS Viewloader and JT, they don't run those companies. It's true that Brass Eagle is only interested in money, but that money comes from revenue made by JT and Viewloader. BE has some say in how those companies are run, but for the most part they will stay away, because they want them to keep making money.

JT's proteus had a recall because of JT's proteus being weak, not because of anything BE did. Also, it was a minor defect and that problem has been fixed. What about PMI's recall of like 10 different markers? About the X-board, all new revy's ship with the X-board, its not something brass eagle conceived to make more money. If they didn't care, they wouldn't have bothered.

People give BE a bad rap because they go out and buy a plastic Talon/sabre/samurai/whatever that's been abused before its even been sold (I've seen it happen.). They wonder why it falls apart even though its made out of plastic, despite the fact they got it for $20 at walmart along with some whack paint. Brass Eagle doesn't degrade the sport of paintball at all. In fact, they're probably doing a lot more for the sport than a lot of other "high profile" companies are. If you don't like their gear, you don't have to buy it. Simple as that, the more choices there are out there, the better.

Dont you think its a little fishy that after BE bought JT/VL that they started releasing products w/ faults?

Name one product that Jt or VL released before BE bought them that was faulty and need a recall? :pissed:

[Mushi]

Find something Brass Eagle did with the Proteus, and maybe I'll change my outlook. But seriously, the recall was only on smoke colored goggles with clear ear pieces. Are we talking like major flaws here? I'm looking at the deal from a business aspect. Brass Eagle aquired JT and Viewloader for money, that's all. Money. JT and Viewloader make money from their masks and their hoppers, respectively. Maybe Brass Eagle cut their funding to make the materials not as strong or as stable, but it's not like Brass Eagle bought JT and Viewloader to say HEY, lets fire all of them and put in our engineers and manufacturing processes to produce our own stuff under those other names! They will let those companies be run the same way, to keep on making money, instead for brass eagle.

I'll admit some things look kinda fishy... the new VL revelation marker looks a lot like the brass eagle avenger, but I haven't read too much on that.

The point I was trying to make was that just because BE owns those two companies, it doesn't mean everything they produce is a pile of crap. BE wants to make money off these companies, not ruin their reputation.

[DontKillWhitey]

Its both
Its products or crap and i wouldnt trust there goggles but they get allota people into the sport.

[Peter A.]

brass eagle is crap.it pisses me off thay they bought jt and viewloader.i shudder at feeling of wearing jt clothing now jus at fact that b.e bought them.once again brass eagle delivers another sh*ter in the paintball biz espeacially with the viewloaders.

[AllOleander]

Fact 1: Since BE bought JT and VL, there have been much for recalls and flaws in their products.

Fact 2: The new VL gun looks like old BE gun models

Fact 3: Quality has gone down.. but prices have remained the same and/or increased

After BE bought out JT and VL.. a lot (A LOT) of workers from both companies left cause they new it was gonna go to crap. He|| that one guy who invented the HALO was from VL originally.. Be bought VL and there he is with Odyssey paintball..

i dunno.. just seems fishy .. but you're right we dont really KNOW what BE is doing or the influence they have on those 2 awesome, popular, revolution in paintball companies..