SP vs DAM vs Mac vs PDS vs Blind Bolt

[WarMonkey]

The list for internal anti chop solutions for the BKO looks a lot like alphabet soup. I'm sure there's a few more out there that i haven't mentioned but with all this demand to stop chops and all the choices, I'd like to know in simple english what each mod has in uniqueness over the rest. I know they are all ment to stop annoying chops, a problem i am plagued with on my MI BKO. So, just for the record, how do each of these mods prevent chops? There' plenty of info on the SP mod, but little on everything else. Particularly the DAM and Mac Ram. What' the genuine word on it all??

[PJGEM]

WAr chongo
mac ram is not out ye tso there is no info.
sp mod c'mon you shot my bko with one....no chops
blind bolt. tip of bolt compresses so it doesn't smash ball.
video is around here somewhere.
DOn't get blind bolt with a modded ram. defeats the purpose.
this was covered in a previous thread.
oh yeah mac ram is for hte b2k's not bkos... i think:|

[jmtilton]

Well I'm pretty sure the DAM mod works just like the SP mod, just hella cheaper. As for the MAC ram? It doesnt exist. Its a myth. I cant wait to see how the blind bolt will work. PDS+Blind+Mechanical antichop= SCHLOOP.

[PJGEM]

The DAM ram costs 89 dollars dunno with shipping. Better off sending him a ram with some money.

[SABO]

The MAC ram is for both the B2K and the BKO and are still in the development stages

[69xtra69]

got my dam modded ram today. not a single chop and there is no break in period. costs 25 bucks if u send them ur ram. trust me its worth it.

[WarMonkey]

Originally posted by PJGEM
WAr chongo
sp mod c'mon you shot my bko with one....no chops


Yeah...I shot his BKO last week. SP mod on a 12 volt revvy, not even an Xboard in the thing. I didn't chop once despite how much faster i was shooting than his gun is accustomed to. :neener: But yeah, i skipped several shots, even pinched paint as i distinctly heard the gun burp. After the day was done, he told me he wanted to shout out "Calm the hell down!" with the paint. ZERO CHOPS with the SP. But with all this RAM business, doesn't it affect effeciency on a marker? What about consistency? Anything on this? Also, The blind bolt has a rubbery head, so wouldn't it be stickier in the breech compared to say, Delrin? And afterit collapses, will it be able to reform itself under rapid fire strings? Just some legit inquiries.

[SABO]

With my SP mod I actually have better effeciency than I did without it. I Aired up at a tourney this past weekend on a 4000 psi fill, fired just under 1000 shots (between 975 - 1000) and still had just under 3000psi in my tank and I don't even have a volumizer on my marker (FMD is there). I would assume that since the D.A.M. is designed off of the basis of the sp then effeciancy should be very similar.

Consistancy, this neither hurt or helped mine, other than keeping paint out of the barrel and breech.

And yes Virginia, there is a MAC Ram, for both the B2K and BKO

[ShootPaint]

Originally posted by jmtilton
As for the MAC ram? It doesnt exist. Its a myth.

I can assure you the MAC very much exists. The only reason for it not being unvailed is my lack of finding a machine shop to produce the ram in small runs. I have several shops that will produce it for me but require that we do a minimum run of a 1000 or more.

With the advent of the DAM I decided to push the envelope and and bring the MAC Ram over to the BKO as well.

As far as the SP Mod rams go a new one is $82.50 plus shipping. If you send in your own it is $55 plus shipping.
Another option that people really havent taken us up on is the exchange program. You send in your old working ram and recieve a $25 credit on a new ram.

[SABO]

Really love the SP Mod but looking forward to seeing the performance of the MAC Ram

[gomster]

What is going to be improved on the MAC Ram that the SP Mod doesn't have?

[Soul Hunter]

What about the DAM, I really like the price and I was hoping to get some feedback from people that have tested it/bought it.

[yoda101]

DAM works just as well as my SP Mod, its worth the cash and they have a great turn around. Had it back to me 7 business days after shipping it, I believe its a bit longer now but nothing over 2 weeks believe people are saying 11 days.

[PJGEM]

Yeah...I shot his BKO last week. SP mod on a 12 volt revvy, not even an Xboard in the thing. I didn't chop once despite how much faster i was shooting than his gun is accustomed to. But yeah, i skipped several shots, even pinched paint as i distinctly heard the gun burp. After the day was done, he told me he wanted to shout out "Calm the hell down!" with the paint.

yeha i almost had to tell him to calm down cuz i needed him to cover me and if it chopped he wouldve been dead meat. I saw teh marker just bounce off the balls. Man a 12v loader is really slow. He thought he broke a ball but we checked the bolt and no paint. i was amazed. I see my blue led blinkin but no shots. As fast as war monkey shoots i was expecting the bolt to chop a ball but nope. I had to put a 12v revvy cuz my egg lid broke and the only other hopper i had was a 200vl loader maybe i should have used that...lol i found a fren so he let me use his 12v non x-board. Thing spins slow i thought the batteries were weak but nope.

[WarMonkey]

Originally posted by gomster
What is going to be improved on the MAC Ram that the SP Mod doesn't have?

I'm very interested in knowing this too.

[yoda101]

the MAC is more for the b2k. The SP Mod was originally designed for the b2k and the bko. B2K's where showing FSDO though with the mod so it was discontinued for them. FSDO does not happen with the bko version though. The MAC Ram then went into development to be like the SP Mod only for b2k rams.

[gomster]

Originally posted by yoda101
the MAC is more for the b2k. The SP Mod was originally designed for the b2k and the bko. B2K's where showing FSDO though with the mod so it was discontinued for them. FSDO does not happen with the bko version though. The MAC Ram then went into development to be like the SP Mod only for b2k rams. I knew most of that... So, there is nothing else that is better about the the BKO MAC Ram then the SP Mod?

[mosfet]

Originally posted by PJGEM
The DAM ram costs 89 dollars dunno with shipping. Better off sending him a ram with some money.

Actually thats the SP Mod price
about $90.56 with shipping.

DAM mod is $25. with shipping.
I got mine in a week.

[yoda101]

Originally posted by gomster
I knew most of that... So, there is nothing else that is better about the the BKO MAC Ram then the SP Mod?

I believe the MAC Ram is for b2k only, there are no improvements in it and I would think ShootPaint would just continue with the SP Mod for the BKO's since it seems to have no issues.

[yoda101]

Originally posted by mosfet


Actually thats the SP Mod price
about $90.56 with shipping.

DAM mod is $25. with shipping.
I got mine in a week.

The DAM Mod does cost $89 for a New Ram, if you ship an existing Ram then its $25 so both of you are pretty much right :P

[mosfet]

oh ok.
<slaps head>
:P

[SABO]

Yoda, I'm not sure the difference, but he is developing the mod for the BKO.

[yoda101]

ah ok, maybe so its just 1 mod to rule them all :) i stand corrected

[sportmaned]

where can i find the DAM ram or mod? thx

[ShootPaint]

Ok here is the scoop from the start.

The SP Mod was first developed for the B2K.
While working on the SP Mod and trying to improve upon the original design we stumbled across the design that is now used in the BKO.

Next came the V2 SP Mod this was a cross between the first SP Mod and a new concept that worked most of the time. Biggest problem with the V2 was periodic leaks for no reason.

Now onto the MAC ram. The first version suffered from FSDO. This problem was resolved with only minor changes. The MAC Ram is a true two speed bolt assembly for the B2K.

With the advent of the DAM Mod I decided to seperate my self from those that try to copy what was done with the SP Mod and introduce a true two speed bolt assembly for the BKO. The nice thing about this is I believe ICD can produce the parts for me. The are already producing them and will only require a couple of minor modifications to the current part to allow them to work with the KO MAC Ram.

I plan on going to ICD in the next month or two to get certified and I will be talking with them while I am there about producing the MAC Ram for the BKO as well as the B2K. I will be taking all of my working models to let them try out and see if we can reach some kind of an agreement to have them produced.

And finally we have another toy in the works as well. It is the MAC Vavle. There are a few people that I have talked to about this that know the general idea behind it. We are having one minor issue with it that I think I can address as soon as I get my lathe running again, ripped the teeth off of one of the power feed gears. Needless to say I can make cuts as pretty as the gear can. I expect to have the gear in this weekend and have both the KO MAC Ram and the MAC Vavle ready to be tested.

The MAC valve is designed for the B2K but may have benefits for the BKO as well. We will just have to test and see.

If you want to know the funny part about all of this I tried to give this information away about 3 to 4 years ago at PBC. I was basically called a liar so I never passed the info out.

Once I get some protection on the MAC Ram design I will be more than happy to show some video's and pics of it. Should anyone be going to the Spring Sting at Blue Valley Park in KC, MO on April 24 and 25th I should have both the KO MAC Ram and the 2K MAC Ram there on display. If you are there Drop by and check them out.

[yoda101]

Thanks for the info SP its always nice to get the exact info for the mouth of the creator. Can't wait to see the MAC Ram as I know you have many willing customers lining up :)

[stogas]

Well, if we will talk about SP mod, its not good. Just becase the scratch in the RAM shaft`s maded manualy it will make a lot of scratches inside for everyone, who have this mod in a close future. I am not talking about 2 or 3 days..i am talking about monthes, thats why everyone who ordered SPmod gets additional O ring for RAM. In my opinion DAM mod is more safer then SPmod. Just dont forget when you order DAM you will lode your warranty!

[ShootPaint]

Originally posted by stogas
Well, if we will talk about SP mod, its not good. Just becase the scratch in the RAM shaft`s maded manualy it will make a lot of scratches inside for everyone, who have this mod in a close future. I am not talking about 2 or 3 days..i am talking about monthes, thats why everyone who ordered SPmod gets additional O ring for RAM. In my opinion DAM mod is more safer then SPmod. Just dont forget when you order DAM you will lode your warranty!

Stogas you are simply trying to get something for nothing. Why is it that you came here and told me to give you a free barrel kit or you were going to release the information about the SP Mod? Funny thing is you ordered two of them. If you like I will be more than happy to pull your order and your PM's that you sent me to back all my claims that I am making here.

Fact of the matter is the DAM mod is no safer than the SP Mod. They achieve the same basic thing with a hole drilled into the ram housing, so by your claims that everyone needs to get orings for the SP Mod then they had better do the same with the DAM Mod as well. Since the oring will be sliding over the hole in the DAM ram causing it to cut the oring.

If the SP Mod is so bad why was it approved by ICD. If you want to search back in the archieves a little I think you will find that Greg from ICD even tested the SP Mod out and gave his approval on it.

And trust me there is a little more to it than just a scratch. get your micrometers out and measure you will see what I am talking about. It is a hand made part but it is made using special tools that I designed for the mod.

[ShootPaint]

I changed my mind for the time being. If you would like to proceed please feel free I will be happy to back my claims up with everything I said above.

I have edited this post for the time being.

[F=ma]

Travis,

By calling your upcoming valve the "MAC Valve" are you implying that this valve has some way of further reducing the liklihood of chopping paint?

Or is "MAC" just your name for it since you have the MAC Ram.

[ShootPaint]

Originally posted by F=ma
Travis,

By calling your upcoming valve the "MAC Valve" are you implying that this valve has some way of further reducing the liklihood of chopping paint?

Or is "MAC" just your name for it since you have the MAC Ram.

The MAC valve does help reduce chopping. We have done something complete different than any other valve currently out for the bushy that greatly reduces the pressure that is needed to run the ram to open the valve.

Hence MAC Valve.

[stogas]

Well TRAVIS we are not talking about my order now. You know that you maked my order wrong and dont try to say you are right. I spent 800 $$$, and what I got? 2 wrong color BKO`s and 2 wrong color barrels and one of them was for SPYDER!!! You think it will be ok for BKO? I dont think so.

So about your MOD. Yes I know that its made by special tool, but its maded in really hurrible way. You are making scratch manualy - thats the problem. I got 2 markers from you and those scratches.....no comments, I will make photos and`ll show you what you done. One of them like a double scratch, one near another one. THats why Oring will wear off in close future.Thats why you are adding so much DOW in rams shaft. Btw I shooted about 5 cases and it still chopping, not good :(.

Now lets take a look at DAM. Well there is only one hole 1mm size....hmm its so small. O ring WILL NOT BE DAMAGED!.
BUT those who buy it WILL NOT GET WARRANTY FORM ICD!!!
This MOD will not prevent all chops, same as yours.

So if people are buyng your MOD its just to be sure that their marker will be fixed by ICD if problems will be.

Thats why people should choose which MOD they must to buy. If they will buy yours they will get warranty if it will be neccesary, but DAM is cheaper and safer in my opinion. Anyway, user can make it by himself, if he is smart enough.

[F=ma]

If you've got beef with Travis, then take it up with him in PM's. This thread is about Ram's and anti-chop mods, not your personal problems.

[JustBunkered]

Stop flaming Stogas. Travis is a great guy and ShootPaint is an awesome business. I bet you couldn't do any better then him, and btw i'd like to see you produce a mod that decreases chops...

[stogas]

Well you people really have some problems. My post have only 1/5 about Travis bussines, all another is about antichop mods. If we will talk about Travis my personal opinion is bad, I was waiting for my order 2,5 months and...but anyway its only my opinion.
So the main idea is to vent out air during shooting. DAM works in the same way like SP. Its just sad to say that both of them doesn aliminate chops, its eliminate chop if the ball is 1/2 inside of marker, so bolt stops at his start position. If ball is inside 2/3 of his body, bolt will push it inside, but if the ball is only 1/3 of his way % of chops rise greatly. Cause with every mm bolts rising his speed, then comes a moment when any mod cant help cause of bolts speed.

Since I am European, sorry for bad english.

[ShootPaint]

Originally posted by stogas
Well TRAVIS we are not talking about my order now. You know that you maked my order wrong and dont try to say you are right. I spent 800 $$$, and what I got? 2 wrong color BKO`s and 2 wrong color barrels and one of them was for SPYDER!!! You think it will be ok for BKO? I dont think so.

So about your MOD. Yes I know that its made by special tool, but its maded in really hurrible way. You are making scratch manualy - thats the problem. I got 2 markers from you and those scratches.....no comments, I will make photos and`ll show you what you done. One of them like a double scratch, one near another one. THats why Oring will wear off in close future.Thats why you are adding so much DOW in rams shaft. Btw I shooted about 5 cases and it still chopping, not good :(.

Now lets take a look at DAM. Well there is only one hole 1mm size....hmm its so small. O ring WILL NOT BE DAMAGED!.
BUT those who buy it WILL NOT GET WARRANTY FORM ICD!!!
This MOD will not prevent all chops, same as yours.

So if people are buyng your MOD its just to be sure that their marker will be fixed by ICD if problems will be.

Thats why people should choose which MOD they must to buy. If they will buy yours they will get warranty if it will be neccesary, but DAM is cheaper and safer in my opinion. Anyway, user can make it by himself, if he is smart enough.

You are claims are listed above.
Here are your PM's, order and my response to your pms.

This is your order.

Mr.
XXXXXXX XXXXXXXX
17 Prospect St.

XXXXX XXXXXXXX
United States XX



Order No: 040122-11298 22.01.2004 14:44:54

Thank you for your trust in us. Please check your confirmation email for additonal details about your order. We will process the following order quickly:

Item No. Amount Description VAT% Unit Price Total
BKO2 2 Pieces ICD BKO
Black BKO with SP Mod
Color: Black
SP Mod: Yes
0 365.00 730.00
CP 1 PCS Brl31 1 Pieces Custom Products 1 piece barrel
Selectable bore, length, color, finish and threads
Color: Black
Finish: Gloss
Bore: 689
Threads: Cocker
Length: 14
0 38.50 38.50
CP 1 PCS Brl32 1 Pieces Custom Products 1 piece barrel
Selectable bore, length, color, finish and threads
Color: Black
Finish: Gloss
Bore: 689
Threads: Cocker
Length: 16
0 38.50 38.50
Net VAT Gross
Subtotal: USD 807.00 0.00 807.00
Final Amount: USD 807.00 0.00 807.00

This can be verified with your PM to me as shown here.
Q abour order
Hi Travis,
my order number is 040122-11298
2.5 months left from my order was placed. You allready charged my card once before and then returned money..but there is no money on my card again. So why you charge it if you still dont send me my order. Plz return my money. I want to know when I can hope to get my markers????

After the order was filled I recieved this PM.
Offer
Hello travis, I have an offer for you.
I was waiting for mine markers for 2.5 months. So I get to the post, then home, opened the box...and Oh my god! Its BKO, BUT its wrong color!!! That would be ok, BUT i take mine barrel, and DAMN ITS WRONG COLOR!!! It fits, thanks god. Then i take second box, and DAMN!!!! its again WRONG COLOR!!!!!, MAN!!! then i take my second barrell!!!!! and AGAIN ITS WRONG COLOR!!!!!! i try to screw it, BUT ITS NOT FITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :!: .

So There is mine offer. I would like to get Custom Products Pro Barrel control bore in this sizes: 689 and 685, 2 of each size, and Custom Products Pro Barrel Tip in 12" and 14" lenght. The color should be BLACK, BLUE, RED or SILVER...you can choose :twisted: . And you know the price should be: "ABSOLUTELY FREE+FREE SHIPPING".Cause i feel said and emotional hurt. You have 5 days for your answer from the moment you will get mine message. If you not agree I will post an instructions how to make an "SPmod"...HAHA another spring and "scratch" in RAM`s shaft...with all photos and explanations. I think its a good price for my emotional hurt...you deeply hurted me.

Thanks for understanding....you have a right to choose


My response to your offer.
Was present me with the order and I would see what I could do. I can't give you the exact response since ICD-Onwers is down right now.

Your response back to me was.
Re: Offer
Travis I have no idea how you can help me. I know what i had ordered, and I didnt get it. Since I live in europe shipping will cost a lot (price of marker), so its not good choise for me. I cant change it. Thats why I want you to pay emotional hurt, kind of.

Your first claim is that I sent you the wrong color markers. Well as you can see above you ordered two Black BKO's. I know this is what was sent because I sent them and they were the only BKO's I had instock at the time to send to you. Not only do I know they were black because of this but also because I had them out to preform the SP Mod on them and test them after the SP Mod was complete.

You next claim is that I sent you the wrong barrel, one being a spyder thread. If you look above you will see both barrels are cocker threads. One was a 14inch and the other was a 16 inch. In either case I could not have sent you a spyder threaded barrel, unless CP shipped me the wrong threads, because I didnt have any Spyder threaded barrels in the length that you requested at the time of your shipment.

As far as the SP Mod goes, yes there are two grooves side by side. There is suppose to be.

Finally you complain that the SP Mod is not preforming. Funny thing is I set both markers up and tested them here in 30 degree weather with paint that would break when dropped from waist high. I never got a single break.

Lastly. If you did recieve the wrong barrel then I recommend you return the barrel and have it replaced. If there was a mistake made I will correct it but the way you came across in all of your PM's you indicated to me you wanted me to give you something that you didnt pay for and I am not going to be bullied into do this. If there is a problem I will correct it but I am not going to pass something out because someone feels they were emotionally hurt when I meet my obligations to them.

[ShootPaint]

Originally posted by stogas
Well you people really have some problems. My post have only 1/5 about Travis bussines, all another is about antichop mods. If we will talk about Travis my personal opinion is bad, I was waiting for my order 2,5 months and...but anyway its only my opinion.
So the main idea is to vent out air during shooting. DAM works in the same way like SP. Its just sad to say that both of them doesn aliminate chops, its eliminate chop if the ball is 1/2 inside of marker, so bolt stops at his start position. If ball is inside 2/3 of his body, bolt will push it inside, but if the ball is only 1/3 of his way % of chops rise greatly. Cause with every mm bolts rising his speed, then comes a moment when any mod cant help cause of bolts speed.

Since I am European, sorry for bad english.

Again I will be happy to pull emails. I responded, not to everyone because we had email problems, to most of your questions and tried to let you know what was going on with your order. I cant help the delay when I was not able to recieve the product from the manufacturer. Once it was recieved the marker was shipped within 48 hours.

[stogas]

Damn Travis..what are we talking about? Do you see a topic? Its about antichop mods. And you tring to prove people that you are the best seller in US. I am talking about a problems which could be with mod and the shop which produce them. Believe me that I ordered all stuff red, and if your site didnt logged it normaly its not mine problem. I ve seen your post over internet about SSL and another stuff about coding of internet pages, so there is possibility that it was problem with your inet shop. BTW i couldnt wait till i got my marker from you, so I ordered it NPS (they werent at stock)....and i got it NEXT DAY!!! That is what i am talking about...you are doing your bussines in wrong way, but I hope you will "fix" it. I have my own shop, and I cant even imagine how could I say my client please wait 2 months..:(.
Cause every one who is tring to say that he had problems with you gots a "punishment" from you. There are peoples ovet inet which says that your MOD is not working, they are waiting 2 or 3 months to get their markers, regulators and other stuff. Also there are people which says that yoyu are a good seller, so everyone has their opinions. So my advice: think better next time before you will say that you can send out marker in 3 days...tahts not good.

Thats all, I dont want to discuss your business anymore. I feel angry, and there is no point to do this. If you want to talk about MOD, thats ok. But no more talks about my order.

[WarMonkey]

So the SP mod might possible wear he O-ring in the ram housing down and the DAM mod won't? Am i reading correctly? Also, Travis, when is that MAC Valve coming out? For the BKO/Bushy right?

[ShootPaint]

That is Stogas statement.
Not mine. I have yet to have anyone tell me they had to replace the oring.

Better yet ask SABO how many times he has replaced his oring. He was like the fourth or fifth person to ever get the SP Mod for the BKO.

[jmtilton]

My friend's bko was like the first to get the SP mod done. And I have no idea wtf you people are talking about with this O-ring business. Alls I knows is that he hasnt chopped in like 2 cases. Sp mod work? Yes. Is stogas a moron? Definitly. But personally, I would stick with the SP mod, which is tried and true, and doesnt void your warrenty. Anyway, I want to see how the blind bolt works. And in true OTB fashion, I bet it doesnt come out when they are saying it will. PDS+MACH+BLIND=GLEEBUS SCHLOOP

[Soul Hunter]

What exactly is the difference between the SP mod and the D.A. Mod?

[gomster]

Originally posted by Soul Hunter
What exactly is the difference between the SP mod and the D.A. Mod? They are drilled differently.

[mR.nAR]

umm non one has said it yet i think, but where would i find this DAM mod at? like is there a site or where do i send it to/phone numbers.im really interested.

[SABO]

No o-ring needed to be replaced on mine, the only problem that i ever have had with my ram since the sp mod was a problem in the LPR bleeding air to the noid causing it to shoot hot, found out the issue wasn't in the noid, fixed the LPR, and voila, no more chps, and only three or four with the over pressurizing issue. Never have had any problems with any o-ring thoughI have one of the oldest BKO's there is, one of the first made and one of the first SP mods done, well, before he even started selling the things as i was a beta tester for the product, and no problems with it ever and several cases of paint through it.

[SABO]

now that the D.A.M. has been released and is out in circulation there seems to be some very mixed reviews, I'm not sure why but was wondering if there was any more on this?

[WarMonkey]

Originally posted by SABO
now that the D.A.M. has been released and is out in circulation there seems to be some very mixed reviews...


I searched here and on pbnation, but i found hardly anything on this. Any DAM mod users here reading this? Let the majority of us know you're impressions please.

[SABO]

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=458039

Originally posted by homerj
first time i've had access to a chrono since i got the ram back. not good. couldn't get my bko to shoot over 230 fps & the only way it would even shoot that high was with my hpr set around 100 psi. setting it higher than that & the noid would leak if i turned up the lpr enough for the thing to shoot decently. before i got the mod i was running between 200-225 psi & i would adjust the lpr slightly to chrono. doing it like that yielded decent consistancy & efficiency. only other thing i did to it was replace my old zenitram asa block with a new one at the same time i got the mod. i'm gonna take it apart when i get a chance, but in the meantime any suggestions?

Originally posted by lil-blinger
Has anyone gottin there d.a.m. mod to work? cuz homerj im haveing the same things happen too my bko too.

I hope it gets settled out

[WarMonkey]

Hmm..SABO, thanks again for your information. Guess I'm a sucker, because i sent my ram in to get modded. I'm crossing my fingers that mine will actually work. Geez, I'm starting to wish I had gone with the SP now...:paranoid:

[SABO]

There have been some good reviews too, hope yours is one

[stogas]

Got it on PBnation

Well I tried the DAM and it did not work for me. This is why, I have an 04 BKO with the newest ICD board, the 9200. It doesn't provide enough solenoid dwell to cycle the ram & bolt reliably. If you increase the preasure from the LPR to the leak point it will function but the FPS will be low no matter what you do. When my ram was installed in a stock BKO with the older ICD board it functioned as advertised.

Thats could be with SPmod too, think so. Thats why my SPmod not working.

[mR.nAR]

sounds like its not 100% with bko's, but there hasnt been any probs for b2k's right?.and wtf ppl,WHERE do i get this freaking mod from!?!?
thank you

[SABO]

D.A.M mod is not for the B2K

[CaptainFuzzy]

I thought Europeans weren't allowed on the forums...

Travis, you have any idea how much the MAC rams will cost when they comes out?

[ShootPaint]

Currently I dont have any pricing availlible for either.
I am talking with a machine shop that has agreed to make ten of the MAC Rams for the BKO and B2K. I need to get my models to them so they can get them done and then I will know more about pricing.

[CaptainFuzzy]

If you need anyone for beta testing on the b2k MAC ram, I would be glad to help :)

[WarMonkey]

Defenitely let us know if beta testing will continue befire the initial release. Just curious though, what's going to be different from the SP and MAC rams? BTW, check your PMs Travis, had a question for you there.

[ShootPaint]

The MAC Rams are a true two speed bolt system for both the BKO and B2K.

The BKO version should work with either the 4 way or 2 way kit provided ICD doesnt change the design of the ram housing and the B2K will work with any Gen B2K.

[Soul Hunter]

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Well I tried the DAM and it did not work for me. This is why, I have an 04 BKO with the newest ICD board, the 9200. It doesn't provide enough solenoid dwell to cycle the ram & bolt reliably. If you increase the preasure from the LPR to the leak point it will function but the FPS will be low no matter what you do. When my ram was installed in a stock BKO with the older ICD board it functioned as advertised.
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Does this mean that the D.A.M. will not work on any of the 2004 BKO's or have other people been successful in getting it to work? I'm worrying about this D.A.M. since I was once interested in getting it since it was so cheap but now I'm seeing more bad than good.

[WarMonkey]

If the DAM mod is affected by new boards, and the SP and DAM are similar, does that mean 2k4 BKOs might have problems too? Also, will the MAC ram be affected by things like dwell settings on a trigger?

[ShootPaint]

I have not had anyone complain about the SP Mod in the 04 KO's at this time other than stogas.

Most of the time people can simply reset the regs and the mod will work like it is suppose to.

By the way the DAM and the SP Mod are not a like. They are two different designs that are used to achieve the same goal. In truth they share virtually nothing in common.

[mR.nAR]

k i went to shootpaint.com and i could only find an sp mod for bko.um what? mistake or what i want sp mod for b2k

[CaptainFuzzy]

SP is just for the BKO. There aren't any mechanical anti-chop mods for the b2k... yet.

[mR.nAR]

DAMNIT! grrrrrrrrr oh well then,ill have to wait for mac or save for some mad hops.

[WarMonkey]

I thought a read somewhere that Travis was working on an SP ram for the B2k. Can anyone confirm this? (Check PMs Travis).

[CaptainFuzzy]

The SP mod for the b2k is the MAC ram. Travis is developing it.

[ShootPaint]

I have a working version of the MAC Ram for the B2K I simply need to find a machine shop that can produce a small run of them for us to test with. Once testing is done we will release the MAC Ram.

The good news is I believe we have found such a shop finally I am now in the process of drawing the ram up for them and hope to send it off to them in the very near future to have the first 10 made for testing.

The BKO will have two options. We will offer the SP Mod as well as the MAC Ram upgrade for the BKO. The BKO MAC Ram is still on the drawing board due to a recent mishap with my lathe. I stripped a gear in it and it will not function until I get this gear replaced. Only problem there is the gear is not a standard item from the manufacturer so they are going to have to produce one for me and this isnt cheap.

[mR.nAR]

aight aight. jeez, why do bkos get all the attention? : D

[ShootPaint]

Actually the B2K have gotten all the attention.

The BKO is just lucky enough to be able to use a lot of the things that I try for the B2K that dont work.

Both the SP Mod and the MAC Ram were originally intended for the B2K. It just so happens that SP Mod for the B2K was more time consuming than it was worth not to mention so weird leaks for no explained reason. This lead us to abandon that SP Mod and go to the MAC Ram.

With the MAC Ram already designed for the B2K and tested in my personal marker it was very easy to adapt the idea to the BKO it simply required the modification of a couple of parts.

And now you know the rest of the story

GOOD DAY :D