Low kick spyder mod Idea

[Durandal]

Here's an idea I came up with in the middle of english class: Modify the bottom tube of a spyder to be similar to an autococker, IE: spring opens valve in place of a striker. I was thinking the easyest way to do this would be to place a metal cilinder right on the valve pin (with holes cut in it to allow gas for blowback). Then put a spring in between of that and a striker like object (can probablt be lighter). This object would be the bolt carrier. on the other side there will be a stronger spring that pushes toward the valve.

How do you think it'll work?

[scared of fbi]

uh dude why would you bother spyders dont even have any kick to begin with?

[f2f4]

Originally posted by scared of fbi
uh dude why would you bother spyders dont even have any kick to begin with?
:laugh:
...And that will be my next quote of the week... :P

[amzng_spyderman]

Originally posted by scared of fbi
uh dude why would you bother spyders dont even have any kick to begin with?
if you're comparing to a real shotgun :rolleyes: shoot a quality electropneumatic. then shoot a spyder. notice a difference? yeah, you will.

[scared of fbi]

o.k i have shot an electro pneumatic (i.e an autococker) and anyway a spyder doesnt have enough kick to worry about and i wouldnt even call it kick its kind of a ........well a jolt lets say and i dont think they would even have as much of a jolt as a .22 but anyway i think its not even worth worrying about. but i will admit it has a significant difference compared to a autococker or so on. but still i wouldnt even worry about it

[erickillebrew]

Originally posted by scared of fbi
o.k i have shot an electro pneumatic (i.e an autococker) and anyway a spyder doesnt have enough kick to worry about and i wouldnt even call it kick its kind of a ........well a jolt lets say and i dont think they would even have as much of a jolt as a .22 but anyway i think its not even worth worrying about. but i will admit it has a significant difference compared to a autococker or so on. but still i wouldnt even worry about it

an autococker isnt electro pneumatic

[f2f4]

Originally posted by erickillebrew


an autococker isnt electro pneumatic

Exactly. :nod:

FBI - Try shooting a DM4, then an Imagine, and tell me there's no difference. :P
BTW, I like Spyders...but even I have to admit they have kick... :|

EDIT: Durandal, the idea sounds like it should work. Then again, I hardly know crap about 'cockers (except for the basics of how they work), so I could be wrong...

[scared of fbi]

sorry then a autococker is a "closed bolt" pneumatic then. but anyway i have used things like impulses and intimidators but anyway i was just comparing a lower grade marker to a higher grade marker its just a comparison.

[Butter Knife]

Dude, my Spyder has more kick with a full hopper shooting one round than my Angel has ripping dry fires. It's still not a real big concern for most people, but I shudder at the idea of having to put down more than two or three accurate shots in a row with a Spyder. Besides, it's not the functionality that matters... it's the fact that a Spyder with almost no kick would just be awesome.

In any case, some diagrams would be sweet. Nothing fancy, MSPaint would probably do. I don't know about the othesr, but I'm having trouble envisioning this. Maybe it's because I'm not a 'cocker-head.

[Joni]

I don't really understand what you mean. The cocker opens the valve rather similary as the spyder. A spring pushes a striker forward, which opens the valve. The difference is that the cocker recocks the striker with a ram, and the spyder recocks it with blowback from the valve.

[sypdersniperFL]

i dont know, i would keep this hush hush, smart parts is everywhere lol.

not that i dont like them......

[sypdersniperFL]

And for the reference, i went from:

1. brass eagle revelation
to
2. Spyder TL plus
to
3. Generation X Autococker
to
4. 2002 Vert feed shocker
to
5. nice dark angel

and theres no way anyone can say a spyder even compares with an autococker or electrpmeumatic, electropneumatics dont have any moving internals, everything is sollenoid controlled. And if anything kicked, my tl was friggin 10 gauge on drugs......

shoot a shocker, impy or angel, youll never shoot a spyder again. i was all *** at one point and was all "my tl kicks arse"
but then i realized that it was painful to shoot off more than 4 shots with it as stated above. Got the angel and shocker, and i could rip so fast, just because i was used to the 10 pound, 3 foot trigger pull of a spyder, i loved the angel and shocker more than my momma..... lol

[teufelhunden]

Originally posted by sypdersniperFL
electropneumatics dont have any moving internals, everything is sollenoid controlled.


Yeah, ya know, rams don't move, valves don't open, bolts stay put...

[sypdersniperFL]

you know what i meant

its ok buddy, take your anger out somewhere else, its not your fault you are running a sucky mechanical autococker..............

[Durandal]

Haven't had very much free time. But I'll try to get a picture up soon.

There's nothing wrong with a mech cocker. Personally I like the feel of a mech marker over an electronic on (trigger wise), but the benefits of an electro are worth it.

[teufelhunden]

Originally posted by sypdersniperFL
you know what i meant

its ok buddy, take your anger out somewhere else, its not your fault you are running a sucky mechanical autococker..............

Are you talking to me? Why not look at my sig before you talk like you know something.

[f2f4]

Originally posted by sypdersniperFL
you know what i meant

its ok buddy, take your anger out somewhere else, its not your fault you are running a sucky mechanical autococker..............

You just insulted teufy?!? :eek:
*Runs to find cover*

Ummm...his 'cocker does not suck...hell, it's not even mechanical! ...idiot... :rolleyes:

By the way, teufy was right. Electro-pneumatics do have moving parts. Quite a few of them, in fact. :P

[amzng_spyderman]

Originally posted by sypdersniperFL
its ok buddy, take your anger out somewhere else, its not your fault you are running a sucky mechanical autococker..............
fyi, you don't tell people what to do around here. only magnus and i can do that. also, don't be talking crap to respected members. that'll get you nowhere fast. finally, take that crap to pbn. we don't want any trash in here. got it?

[teufelhunden]

Originally posted by amzng_spyderman
also, don't be talking crap to respected members.

Aww, Spydy, you mean it? :)

<3

[amzng_spyderman]

Originally posted by teufelhunden


Aww, Spydy, you mean it? :)

<3
silence, '03er :eyes:

[teufelhunden]

Originally posted by amzng_spyderman

silence, '03er :eyes:

Hey, I am the third most senior member in this thread :)

And the second most spam-whorish, second only to you :laugh:

[chibissj]

Originally posted by amzng_spyderman

silence, '03er :eyes:


Hmm I'm an 03er....but then again spydy and I go way back...back to yesterday.

[sypdersniperFL]

my bad guys, didnt see the worrblade part,

i used to shoot a worrbladed cocker and it rocked,

props to him for gettin one.

for the reference yes I am going to pbnation, cuz pbreview isnt as large.

Theres alot less moving parts in my shocker, and angel, then half the mech guns ive seen. the whole point of electropneumatics is to not have much move, so the gun doesnt "kick"" or whatever when it shoots.....

[teufelhunden]

Originally posted by sypdersniperFL

Theres alot less moving parts in my shocker, and angel, then half the mech guns ive seen. the whole point of electropneumatics is to not have much move, so the gun doesnt "kick"" or whatever when it shoots.....

Spyder: Hammer hits valve to open it and has the bolt attached to it.

Shocker: Ram, attached to bolt, moves and opens the valve.

[amzng_spyderman]

electropneumatics don't necessarily have fewer moving parts, just less mass moving and less pressure used to move it.

[sypdersniperFL]

Spyder: Mechanical Sear Releasing striker, striking hitting valve as it also moves the bolt, is blown back into a cocked position.

Shocker: Ram moved by solenoid activating, pushing bolt from forward to back to forward.

The way i see it is that electros have a lot less moving action than a mech gun.

In the case of a mech cocker, its alot more moving than just a valve :) Its the 3 way activating the ram at one point, and the ram pushing the pump arm back, as well as the air entering the ram at another point to push the ram the opposite way.

Used to rock a Nexus Cocker here, damn it was fast.

[alexrusek]

Sure you did...thats why your name is spyder sniper and u registered 3 months ago....


You lose

[Evosnipe]

man u guys are wusses if you think ANY paintball gun has recoil, maybe u guys should go out to the range and blast something with a 30-30, or maye a .308, me, ive shot a single-shot 50 cal. before, and ill tell you something, you will love your pbgun forever after an episode like that! :love:

as for an accurate shot, its called choosing your shots, rather than spraying paint in all directions, although its necessary when sweet-spotting and sometimes in cover-firing

recoil n pbguns? pfft pleaze!
:eyes:

[Lurker27]

I am so sick and tired of the real gun argument. Rcoil affects accuracy at high ROF, sorry the guy is tryig to make his gun shoot better, we should all go work out.

God.

[Evosnipe]

dude, ive shot an angel at 26 bps and it was still nothing

[sypdersniperFL]

ok, yes paintball guns have recoil, its still small, but there still is recoil, for instance, a spyder has a hammer that htis a valve, and is blownback to a cocked position, so there is a decent amount of movement to it when you shoot.
An electropneumatic gun does the samething, just not using a hammer and valve, it uses a small sollenoid that barely moves, activating the bolt, so there is A LOT less movemt.

Dont tell me no dang tippmann shoots the same as my angel, its bs, my angel rips pretty fast, and doesnt budge when it shoots. The less it moves when it shoots, the more accurate the shot.

[amzng_spyderman]

Originally posted by Evosnipe
dude, ive shot an angel at 26 bps and it was still nothing
probably because angels have nearly no kick even by pb gun standards :rolleyes: fact is, some pb guns have kick regardless of what you rifle toting he-man wannabe neanderthals think. before you try to argue just stuff a power bar in your mouth and stay quiet.
Originally posted by alexrusek
Sure you did...thats why your name is spyder sniper and u registered 3 months ago....


You lose
you went out of your way to bring a month old thread back to life just to make a pointless comment about something that doesn't affect your life in any way, shape, or form.

you lose.

spydersniper, lmk if you want this thread closed.

[sypdersniperFL]

Originally posted by amzng_spyderman

you went out of your way to bring a month old thread back to life just to make a pointless comment about something that doesn't affect your life in any way, shape, or form.

you lose.

spydersniper, lmk if you want this thread closed.

I think it should be closed because of useless paintball internet junkies like alexrusex, my question is why is he callin people newbs when he chooses to stay online and flame people, instead of gettin his butt out to the field and practicin.


close it, its gotten too ***, and im flaming too, its turned into a post over whos the biggest internet paintball junkie, so yes it should be closed