how bad are these paintballs?

[PDL_Drummer]

I've been checkin out the prices for the Zap Paintball 2nds, I have a question as to how bad they really are. I mean at 30$ for 2,000 it seems like it'd be a good deal if it's just a ball I wanna use to shoot my brother up in the backyard. I'm just curious, does anyone know how good/bad they really are? Thanks.
~Ben

[PBSouLjAh]

think about it. instead of buyin 70$ marbs....isnt it better (in my opinion) to buy 2 cases of 2nds? even tho they mite not be accurate....u can just shoot twice as much....i mite consider that. i never knew that paintballs can be so cheap.

[PDL_Drummer]

http://www.shop4paintball.com
i have no idea how good they are, but at 27.95$ for 2000, i figure you can't go that wrong.

[Richy_C]

factory seconds are a nono, i think zaps are kinda crappy fresh but 2nds chills my spine, try it and tell us anywayz

[Pakman]

The tournament I am going to offers Zap or 32 degrees. Do you think the 32 degrees are better than the Zap? Both are $70, which is a complete rip)

[MuckRaker]

I don't know about the Zap, but 32 degrees paint sure is purty when it spalts, I know, I've been lit up with it enough times ... :eek:

[Intruder]

want to talk about crappy? I saw brass eagle seconds, you could even see broken ones right in the bag.

[Cory]

hey i got these balls once and they really sucked bad!!!
pay 20 bucks more for premium and you will have little to no breaks, and they are accurate. the 2nds are egg shaped and they break like 1/10 even in a large bore barrel. i can't emphazize how bad they are.

[Creek]

I'd take 32 degrees over Zap any day.I had bad results with that paint in all 4 of my guns

[Predator]

http://www.shop4paintball.com
i have no idea how good they are, but at 27.95$ for 2000, i figure you can't go that wrong.


Think about it - you get what you pay for.

[Stompa'16]

DONT BUY SECONDS!!!

i would never use seconds the reason they are called seconds is that there is something wrong with them

and as for 32 degrees or zap ive had great luck with both
i used some of this blue and yellow shell neon green fill zap at a tourney last june and it shot great even in the heat like zero breaks in barrel no bounces the only thing is that some of the paint started to stick together but thats cause it was 90 degrees out and sunny

as for tc ive had great luck with it but once in a while you get a crappy case of it but that goes for any paint

[elTwitcho]

The Zap at skyball was pretty good, couple of people were complaining about size, but seemed to fit my barrel very nicely. I dont mind zap myself, not even taht much is wrong with "Bannana Banshee" except that it bounces a heck of alot

[mastergurtler@yahoo.com]

Don't use ZAP!!!

Brass Eagle makes crappy guns but even worse paint. 2nds of a crappy paint to start with would just be a big mess. Imagine having to clean your gun every 10-20 rounds. I use a Tippmann Pro/Carbine and it's a pretty good gun, never malfunctions and usually shoots 150ft effectively with my aftermarket barrel. I tried regular Zap paint on a good day and found that it broke in the barrel all the time and always veered one way or the other when it didn't brake. Try those 2nds if you don't believe me. But if you like to see your balls fly in pretty spirals and zig-zags good for you.

[Creek]

In mt Impluse i dont break them (ZAP) but they do nice cork screws for me

[TLplus84]

if you're considering seconds..you've obviously never tried them. HTey are lopsided, unevenly seamed, dsimpled, and messed up in every possible way thinkgable..

[PBSouLjAh]

in other words....FUBAR

[spacer709]

i dont think FUBAR exactly... some seconds paint are half decent, like seconds of high quality like RPS and Diablo

[TLplus84]

i think ANY seconds are FUBAR...it's just not worth the trouble..

[spacer709]

seriously a lot of seconds paint is kinda like those low end soft drinks at the grocery store like Dr. Fantastic, most of those are actually made by the big name brands but youre not paying for the name. Same with a lot of seconds paint(i mean sure, some of it is just ****) but a lot of seconds is just called seconds cuz its not "perfect" to carry those high name brands. Anyway, some of yall know what i mean. whatever

[Joel Timberlake]

Originally posted by Pakman
The tournament I am going to offers Zap or 32 degrees. Do you think the 32 degrees are better than the Zap? Both are $70, which is a complete rip)

Westpoint?

[DraXsuS]

What the hell are 2nd??????????????????????????????????

[Dräko]

Originally posted by Intruder
want to talk about crappy? I saw brass eagle seconds, you could even see broken ones right in the bag.

Dear lord, was it more than 2.00 a case. The it would be ok cause you could build bunkers from the bags filled with goo. Or make art. Or thro entire bags of them at people on the field, or make pillows, fill up water beds, prop tables, sell to small children as candy, feed it to your cat, put them in your sisters socks. The oppurtuniteies are endless :)

(notice SHOOTING them was not an option there)

[TLplus84]

Originally posted by MajSpyder
What the hell are 2nd??????????????????????????????????
seconds are all the paintballs that did not pass teh standards from the given processing plant(RPS, Diablo, etc etc.), so they stick it all in one bag, say it's only 30 dollars a case, and hope some sucker buys them. They are lopsided, dimpled, inaccurate, swollen, and if you could imagine any other ways a paintball could be messed up, it's probably in a bag of seconds.

[Dräko]

Originally posted by spacer709
seriously a lot of seconds paint is kinda like those low end soft drinks at the grocery store like Dr. Fantastic, most of those are actually made by the big name brands but youre not paying for the name. Same with a lot of seconds paint(i mean sure, some of it is just ****) but a lot of seconds is just called seconds cuz its not "perfect" to carry those high name brands. Anyway, some of yall know what i mean. whatever

Seriously. Its all on what seconds you buy. I use seconds of Blaze and i guarentee any one of you if i gave you a hopper ful of both you would NOT be able to tell the difference. There fine never had a weird one in the lot. Always LOOK at the paint before you buy it though.

[skippy8]

Originally posted by spacer709
seriously a lot of seconds paint is kinda like those low end soft drinks at the grocery store like Dr. Fantastic, most of those are actually made by the big name brands but youre not paying for the name. Same with a lot of seconds paint(i mean sure, some of it is just ****) but a lot of seconds is just called seconds cuz its not "perfect" to carry those high name brands. Anyway, some of yall know what i mean. whatever

I agree. not the paintball stuff but Dr. fantastic. I mean it could of been Mr. Fantastic, But I never saw Dr. Fantastic coming, Class act Class act

[Incube]

I never ever tryed zap before but i tryed some 32 deggres and they are pretty good balls

[TLplus84]

i tried marb seconds....they sucked..