Do you have a Drop forward?

[jawahunter]

Alright everyone, let's play it by the numbers, drop, stock, or uni-mount. Post a pic of your super-long drop, longest drop wins. Photoshop is allowed. :)

[amzng_spyderman]

can't live without them. and don't listen to that crap about how your gun's easier to handle without a drop. everyone knows you can't handle a gun you're not comfortable with, and if a drop makes your gun more comfortable, then... well, put two and two together.

[dog-of-Dislexia]

Originally posted by jawahunter
...longest drop wins. Photoshop is allowed. :)

Ok.

[Forest Spyder]

I used a big drop for a while. I really like having the unimount because I can shoulder the tank a bit better than the big drop.

It's all preference.

[cocker kid 2k2]

I win.
http://www.hunt101.com/img/134379.bmp (http://www.hunt101.com/?p=134379&c=500&z=1)

[teufelhunden]

I win more. Cuz unimounts suck and railmounts pwn.

www.*******.com/gallery = mine

[Rebel2002]

I'm sick of everyone saying big drops are for noobs. My gun without a drop is basically unmanageable... I've even tried playing a few games without the drop because some friends have said "Try it, you'll like it!". Well let me tell you, that's a load of B.S. I find that when my gun is closer to me I can handle it much better than when its 3 feet from my head.

Drops=Win.

[firekow]

What ASM said. Just a tiny drop is nice IMO, and with a dropzone I can transfer my A/S tank from one marker to another without having to adjust the position of the A/S. Teh win.

http://www.*******s.com/firekow/cocker.JPG

[Canadia_PBaller]

Why would you pay like $70 for a Uni-Mount, when you can get a ASA for $20.......? Oh, and I use a Phat 3-D Flame drop.

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by Canadia_PBaller
Why would you pay like $70 for a Uni-Mount, when you can get a ASA for $20.......? Oh, and I use a Phat 3-D Flame drop.

I don't know how the canadian conversions work out, if they're really that different. But in american Unimounts are generally 40, and ASA's are 15. 25 for an on off is average.

[AR55 MtM]

drops are like water & oxygen for me I cant leave without them :tup::D:tup:

[can'tthink of1]

http://img39.photobucket.com/albums/v119/patthecat/Paintball/CamPic48.jpg

[spyder_king06]

I don't use a drop simply because im fine without one. But after I get my PINK slasher trigger, ill be looking into getting one:) . I just don't think it makes a huge difference so im saving it for last.

[Tipp98WhisperEx]

I've had drops on almost all of the markers I've used. I almost got a Unimount for my mag until when I first held I noticed it was really backheavy (still rockin' the classic valve), especially with the tank, so I decided I'd go with yet another drop to even out the weight a bit.

I'm definetly much happier that I got this drop (FBM Stiletto) over the Uni though because I like the way it angles my tank.

[Raptorz922]

My drop is NICE. No matter all the crap I get for it, I won't drop the drop. I can play so much tighter and more comfortably without my tank hangin out.

http://members.cox.net/danc922/Updated%20Gun%20Drop.JPG

[Kowz_76]

I've used a drop for a while, but now I think I'm gonna get either a rail or a unimount. Preferably a rail because I already have the ASA.

[Esprit_inCANADA]

Guns look so much better without drops. Uni-mounts, and rails look awesome I hate drops so much. I tried to play with a friends cocker with a drop and I wanted to cry. Using a drop is just an easy way out of shouldering your gun.

And raptor, your tank should'nt be "sticking out" put the tank in your damn shoulder it should'nt be so hard to understand.

[Kowz_76]

I don't shoulder the tank. I kind of let it rest over my arm as I lean out of a bunker. That way, it keeps tight, and totally balances the gun.

[hybrid-sniper]

I don't use a drop, but would like to.
Just need something to move my 20oz up a few inches and balance out my tippy.
On anything else, specifically a shorter gun, its all about the rail and uni.

[Canadia_PBaller]

Originally posted by cocker kid 2k2


I don't know how the canadian conversions work out, if they're really that different. But in american Unimounts are generally 40, and ASA's are 15. 25 for an on off is average.


Conversions, Unimounts equal about $55 (without taxes, n' shipping)

and ASA's are about $20 or so (without taxes n' shipping)

[Raptorz922]

Originally posted by Esprit_inCANADA
Guns look so much better without drops. Uni-mounts, and rails look awesome I hate drops so much. I tried to play with a friends cocker with a drop and I wanted to cry. Using a drop is just an easy way out of shouldering your gun.

And raptor, your tank should'nt be "sticking out" put the tank in your damn shoulder it should'nt be so hard to understand.

I put it in the crook of my arm most of the time. :rolleyes:

[comando345]

I had my tank just hooked to my grip for a while, then I put on a drop. It helped to balance the gun a bit better. I prefer having a drop to not having one, though in the end it's all preference.

[mcbunker]

godi cant live without a drop. On my first cocker, i had a big drop on it, then on my second one, i got a small one, and i like both of them, i just cant stand not having one though

[slushii]

I have a botom line max flow on my impulse and I love the way it feels... personaly i dont really like drops...but I do think they are ok on tippmanns or other really long guns.

[nahthan]

no but i think i am gonna get one for my phantom if i go back bottle and i think im gonna get one on my spyder too...

[PMI_Guy]

I win. :D
http://home.comcast.net/~lcoulter/Images/ULEMag2.JPG

Current setup...
http://home.comcast.net/~lcoulter/Images/ULEMag.JPG

Keep in mind in the first picture that the barrel is 14". The drops around 7". :P

[chibissj]

I don't use a drop
http://www.hunt101.com/img/133398.JPG (http://www.hunt101.com/?p=133398&c=500&z=1)

[woolf]

i kinda do kinda dont like drops, with my current tank i am fine with a drop but when i get a c/f tanks its a uni mount for me

[Forest Spyder]

With a drop.
Just damn ugly

http://www.pbreview.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1065652

Without a drop, amazingly sexy.

[SPPaintball]

I dont have a drop . . . I will be gettin a unimount, but no drop.

BTW THESE ARE OLD PICTURES I have new pictures but they are not developed yet and my sister wont let me use her digi.

http://www.hunt101.com/img/139865-big.jpg (http://www.hunt101.com/?p=139865&c=564&z=1)

http://www.hunt101.com/img/139866.jpg (http://www.hunt101.com/?p=139866&c=564&z=1)

[jawahunter]

Ok, Dog of Dislexia is the current champion, but I'm begining to doubt the accuracy of his interplanetary drop. How did you take the picture? http://www.pbreview.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1974964
:confused:

[Juvenile]

Drops are ***, and so are the people that use them.

I use a Uni-Mount, for now, but in a few weeks CP Rail + CP On/Off ASA.

http://www.gamernext.com/media/rat1.jpg

[hybrid-sniper]

How dare you put your Rat in the sand.

[SPPaintball]

Originally posted by hybrid-sniper
How dare you put your Rat in the sand.

how bad did you mess up your barrel and internals?

[dog-of-Dislexia]

Originally posted by jawahunter
Ok, Dog of Dislexia is the current champion, but I'm begining to doubt the accuracy of his interplanetary drop. How did you take the picture? http://www.pbreview.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1974964
:confused:

The hubble space telescope took some pictures for me.

[Korndog]

im getting one(Phat 3D flame drop) on my soon to come 04cocker

but heres the one on my tippy(32* universal drop)

[jawahunter]

Hubble eh? I suppose if I just overlook the fact that there are lines on all the planetary orbits it's plausible. Too bad they're shutting hubble down.:(

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by SPPaintball


how bad did you mess up your barrel and internals?

You can very easily play in the sand without ruining a thing on your marker.

[Juvenile]

Originally posted by hybrid-sniper
How dare you put your Rat in the sand. How dare you critique without personal experience.

Originally posted by SPPaintball
how bad did you mess up your barrel and internals? Um, let me see... none? Since this pic was taken after a day's play, I had to swab the barrel anyway. And unless you absolutely bury your marker in sand, it's fine. I've been playing in sand for one year and never had a problem except sand on the outside, that is easily cleaned out.

In conclusion, how about you play in the sane like 5,000,000 other people who have done it, and then tell me it ****s up your marker. Since I have never had one problem.

Safe to say pwned.

[$horT_$trokE]

No one on the team uses Drop forwards. Unless you plan on using a 114 tank there is no reason to use a drop forward. I personally think that the drop forward is the single worst piece of equipment in paintball today. Too many people use these things and set their guns up so they shoot with a bent wrist and look ***. Try and shoot a real hand gun with a bent wrist and you will end up with a broken face. A drop forward is not designed to set your gun up so the gun becomes a turret on the side of your head. You are not the Borg, You are not trying to join the f&*%n collective. Look at people that shoot real guns, they have the gun out in front of them. Why? So they can see the barrel in front of them. I am not putting anyone down here, it is just that magazines and advertising push this stuff on unsuspecting new players who then get bad habits and are never taught actually how to properly play.

Rdny,
Team Dynasty

Quoted for truth.

[Canadia_PBaller]

Yea, I play in sand all the time with my cocker, worst part is getting all the sand in the hard to clean parts of the marker. No problems with operation at all....

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by $horT_$trokE


Quoted for truth.

There's a reason I made that quote my sig :D

[mcbunker]

i dont nessisarily agree w/ that. I dont think drops are useless. It may just be my preferance tho. On my cocker, the drop aint all that big, its got an on/off on it and i really like that part (not having to worry bout blowin tank o-ring). Also i dont really like havin the tank stickin outta the bak of my gun, harder for me to shoot. And comparing it to real guns is kinda pointless because real guns have kick, and paintball guns dont. If they did have enough kick to lets say smack u in the face, we would not use drops and we would shoot them like real guns, but they are not real, and dont have enough kick. For me, a drop makes it easier for me to shoot and not have to have my arms fully extended to reach the trigger.

Jus my opinion tho

[$horT_$trokE]

The point behind that quote is that though it may seem harder at first, you will have better gun control if you learn the proper technique. Bend wrists may be more comfortable at first, but you dont have the same level of control. I guess it all comes down to how good of a shot you want to be.

[[Infusion]BigC]

I'm not a big Dynasty fan.

I think his personal opinion and he's entitled to it.

However, I can't say I agree.

With me drop on my gun, I can spot shoot all day.

Without my drop, I get really thrown and can't tell were my gun is aimed for crap.

Also, the truth it, we are NOT shooting real guns. So I'm not worried about a "broken face".

I mean really, I'm a great shot with a real gun. The drop has very little to with my bent wrist. I have bent wrist becuase I'm reaching around a tank and I'm keeping my elbow tucked in.

It's honestly personal preferance. I'm more comfortable with a drop, and can shoot much more accuratly with one. Apparently Team Dynasty isn't, but what's that have to do with me? nothing.

Btw, wewt my brand new BKO Xtreme (his name is Beekoe :-D)

http://www.headshotinc.com/unlimited/Beekoe-complete.jpg

Not a huge drop but it keeps me comfortable.

[Azn_gansta]

drops are wack, fell in love with a unimount and rails. Thats all i will use from now. You can use a drop if u want and be at a disadvantage. But hey to each his own!

[Person]

I had a drop forward my like third day of paintball, i originally had a vertical tank and i couldnt hit crap, then i got a nice bottomline and i could fire way accurately but when i got behind my steel barrel bunker i couldnt find a place to fit the rest of the freaking long *** gun, so i got a drop forward and ive had one since. I like to have my gun in a position that my arm <from my shoulder to my elbow> goes right down on my body and the rest of my arm <from my elbow to my hand> goes strait up to the trigger frame and then i just fire with my finger or fingers....i dont really get to feel the trigger frame much accept for when i am running.

[Person]

Originally posted by Azn_gansta
drops are wack, fell in love with a unimount and rails. Thats all i will use from now. You can use a drop if u want and be at a disadvantage. But hey to each his own!

Why is what you have in any way better then a standard duck bill ASA, besides the fact that you have a twisty nob to turn off the input pressure =/

[$horT_$trokE]

Like I said above, it may be easier at first to use a drop, but, just like a real gun, if you want to be a REALLY good shot, you HAVE to have the correct technique (im sure you dont have a shot that equals that of a dynasty player, even if your shot is good). I can go out there and play basketball with my own technique and make a good amount of shots. If I wanted to play at the pro level I would have to discard what I think is right and learn the correct way. Same goes for paintball. You seem to be overlooking a key point to his statement, and thats barrel position in coordination with your eyes. You can also maintain more control when snapshooting by having a correct gun setup.

I'm not a big Dynasty fan.

Thats like me saying im not a big dan marino fan, so im not going to take his QB advice. :rolleyes:

[PMI_Guy]

Ok, lets all steal my idea.... :rolleyes:

[p8ntfreak98]

http://img32.photobucket.com/albums/v95/waffle/Paintball_pics_059.jpg


Oh snap, gettin old school up in here.


My friend casey sort of has to, 114/45 = massive

http://img32.photobucket.com/albums/v95/waffle/Paintball_pics_057.jpg

[firekow]

Apparently Rdny is unfamilliar with the concept of preference. If we wanted good ergonomics in a marker, we'd all use FBM stiletto drops, Y-grips, and reverse 15 degree VAs. Since we don't, we'll use what we want to use, what we like the feel of ourselves. Keep bashing drops if you like, but stop friggin' quoting dynasty players as if they're Ghandi, Confucius or the bible.

[Tipp98WhisperEx]

That quote from Rdny is starting to annoy me... How can you compare shooting a real gun to a paintball gun? There's so many factors that are totally different in the 2.

The main thing that really annoys me is when he says:Too many people use these things and set their guns up so they shoot with a bent wrist and look ***. Try and shoot a real hand gun with a bent wrist and you will end up with a broken face. Look at people that shoot real guns, they have the gun out in front of them. Why? So they can see the barrel in front of them. Okay, sure, shooting with a bent wrist does make you look stupid but it works. And theres no major kick in a paintball marker so you dont have to worry about getting a "broken face".

And as for the second quote, even if you do have the tank on your shoulder, you can see the barrel in front of you. And people who shoot real guns don't hold it in front of them, they usually rest it on their should (if it's a rifle) unless it's a pistol. And either way, they don't aim down the barrel, they use the sights or scopes on their guns, which usually aren't readily available on most paintball guns do to the hopper.

Rdny's litle statement makes me seem like he's never shot (or maybe even seen a real gun in person) a gun in his life.

I've got much more to argue about right now but I'm in the middle of computer concepts so I'll have to talk later.

[nerdcore]

my cocker has a unimount, my spyders have drops. i don't know why. i feel comfortable holding all of em.

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by firekow
Apparently Rdny is unfamilliar with the concept of preference. If we wanted good ergonomics in a marker, we'd all use FBM stiletto drops, Y-grips, and reverse 15 degree VAs. Since we don't, we'll use what we want to use, what we like the feel of ourselves. Keep bashing drops if you like, but stop friggin' quoting dynasty players as if they're Ghandi, Confucius or the bible.

You'd think by now people would learn that maybe, just maybe, somebody who is a professional, one of the best back players in the world, would know what they're talking about. Just because newbs like you don't agree with him doesn't mean that he's wrong.

[Rebel2002]

Just because Rodney is a professional doesn't make his opinion any more legible than the biggest noob in the sport.
Who is he to say what "the proper way to play" is? If someone uses a drop and it causes them to be more comfortable and in turn be a better player, that's the wrong way to play? And his remarks about those who shoot real guns are BS. If you have the stock of a rifle against your shoulder, you could shoot with a bent wrist and have no risk of "breaking your face". Firing a real gun as opposed to a paintball gun are two completely different things. One of the main things we are trying to prevent is the uneducated associating paintball guns with real firearms, so why make so many references to them?
I feel better shooting a mechanical autococker with a big drop, because a bent wrist makes the gun easy to fan. I'll be getting my EBlade soon and I'll be trading the big drop for a MaxFlo, because I can handle an electro better with a straight wrist. So please stop being such a**holes toward those who PREFER to use a drop. Bashing someone's opinion makes you look very low. I respect those who like drops and those who don't. Either way we're all paintball players and stupid arguments like this certainly won't do anything to help the sport grow.

[firekow]

Being one of the best back players in the world doesn't mean you're 100% right about everything that has anything to do with paintball either. Just because people such as yourself agree with him doesn't make him right either. Until we see medical evidence proving either side wrong, we'll just keep flaming each other. He doesn't support his points very well (IE. "you look ghey, you're not shooting your paintball gun as you would a real gun"). He didn't convince me of anything in that little post. If I'm told by a medical professional that drops suck, I'll accept it. Until then, I'll continue to look "ghey" and try and NOT shoot my marker as I would a real gun. Aren't we trying to make paintball look as little like a bunch of rednecks shooting BB guns at each other as possible here?

[dog-of-Dislexia]

I do agree with Rdny that drops are ineffective when I try to use them, but to each his own. I use what I like. You use what you like. Rodney can use what he likes. Who cares?

:twocents:

[Kowz_76]

So basically cockerkid, you're saying that whatever the pros do is the best? I don't like drops, and don't use one. However, I'd say that if you like drops, go ahead and use one. Who the hell am I to tell you how to shoot YOUR gun? Rdny has a good point a view, and I can understand where he's coming from, but he doesn't know what's best for everyone. It's kind of like saying that anything other than a 68/4500 tank is a piece of crap because it's either too small or too big.

Yeah, Dynasty doesn't use drops, so let's all sell our drops because Dynasty is sooooooo kool!!!11one

[MrTiggleBitties]

Ok, it's now official. The paintball community has split into two sides. One side is Dropforwards, the other side is Unimounts and rails.

[nos911]

Well after another weekends worth of play I've decided that I NEED a drop forward on my marker. With the way I had my marker set up, it was way to long and uncomfortable for me. It's all preference. Whatever feels best to you. Rdny, CK, and Juvenile are all entitled to their opinions just like Firekow, Rebel and everybody else in the world.

[Tipp98WhisperEx]

Originally posted by firekow
Being one of the best back players in the world...


Whoooooa... Rodney is a back player? That makes his opinion seem waaaaayyyyyyyyy different now. What I'm saying is, he really doesn't have the right to flame drops/drop users because back players don't need them!!! Drops are mainly made to lower your guns profile and even out the weight. First, Back players don't need a lower profile, they just stand in the back and cover the lanes, no need to be small there. Second, weight shouldn't bother a back player, they don't need to move around much and they're usually aiming at an upward anyways.

In th end, back players don't have a need for drops, so Rodney doesn't use one, hence: not giving him the right to flame them or their users.

[firekow]

He's actually listed as a gun tech on their site, but I dunno. CK was the one that posted that he played back. I don't exactly follow the tournament scene.

It's cool to see that people can actually be civil about their opinions on this subject, dog. :tup:

[asa4575]

Originally posted by Rebel2002
Just because Rodney is a professional doesn't make his opinion any more legible than the biggest noob in the sport.
Who is he to say what "the proper way to play" is? If someone uses a drop and it causes them to be more comfortable and in turn be a better player, that's the wrong way to play? And his remarks about those who shoot real guns are BS. If you have the stock of a rifle against your shoulder, you could shoot with a bent wrist and have no risk of "breaking your face". Firing a real gun as opposed to a paintball gun are two completely different things. One of the main things we are trying to prevent is the uneducated associating paintball guns with real firearms, so why make so many references to them?
I feel better shooting a mechanical autococker with a big drop, because a bent wrist makes the gun easy to fan. I'll be getting my EBlade soon and I'll be trading the big drop for a MaxFlo, because I can handle an electro better with a straight wrist. So please stop being such a**holes toward those who PREFER to use a drop. Bashing someone's opinion makes you look very low. I respect those who like drops and those who don't. Either way we're all paintball players and stupid arguments like this certainly won't do anything to help the sport grow. wrong.

bow down before the might and wisdom of dynasty or be labeled a newb.

your choice...

[firekow]

Originally posted by asa4575
bow down before the might and wisdom of dynasty or be labeled a newb.

Wisdom? You mean when Rodney said "I'm right because I'm right, you're an idiot because you like the feel of something I don't, you're not holding your paintball gun as you would hold a handgun, and I don't like how you look using what you like to use" ?

Grow up.

[LAMANTEthePBguy]

Originally posted by Tipp98WhisperEx
Whoooooa... Rodney is a back player? That makes his opinion seem waaaaayyyyyyyyy different now. What I'm saying is, he really doesn't have the right to flame drops/drop users because back players don't need them!!! Drops are mainly made to lower your guns profile and even out the weight. First, Back players don't need a lower profile, they just stand in the back and cover the lanes, no need to be small there. Second, weight shouldn't bother a back player, they don't need to move around much and they're usually aiming at an upward anyways.

In th end, back players don't have a need for drops, so Rodney doesn't use one, hence: not giving him the right to flame them or their users. Drops are not meant to lower your profile. They increase your profile. It helps to know your own side before you flame the opposition:rolleyes:

[Rebel2002]

Originally posted by asa4575
bow down before the might and wisdom of dynasty or be labeled a newb.

Wow, dude... Just... :rolleyes:

[asa4575]

im surprised you'll didnt see that for a joke because thats what it was.

next time im going to put "joke", real big and bold so people dont confused and try to put me down.

[Bloencustoms]

I use a nitro duck 68/4500 tank with an adjustable reg. I wasn't happy with the cradle that came with the tank, so I opted to use a Kapp cradle. Initially, I got the one with the deep drop. It was ok, but I felt like the back of my marker was too close to my face. I changed to the stubby rod, and after adding a NW paintball quick release, and a piece of aluminum to stand it off to clear the front of the cradle, it is now almost as far down as before, but the tank isn't nearly as far forward. I find this to be the most comfortable arrangement. I play "back" or "center" on a three man team, so while I do primarily sweetspot on the break, I have to be fairly mobile as well. So, I guess you could say I have a drop, but not a drop forward. If I were playing in londer games, I'd opt for the d/f and a 88/45 tank. This would give me more air, and keep the orientation between the back of my marker, and the back of my tank pretty close to the same.

I have used my classic mag for scenario games quite a bit, and use no drop at all. Tank goes right on the bottom of the grip. This works out very nice with the compact profile of the mag. It's a completely different feel. I'd like to try one of the new shockers this way some time and see how I like it.

[firekow]

Originally posted by asa4575
im surprised you'll didnt see that for a joke because thats what it was.

next time im going to put "joke", real big and bold so people dont confused and try to put me down.

Sorry. I'm slow. Feel free to quote me on that.

[Person]

Originally posted by Bloencustoms


I have used my classic mag for scenario games quite a bit, and use no drop at all. Tank goes right on the bottom of the grip. This works out very nice with the compact profile of the mag. It's a completely different feel. I'd like to try one of the new shockers this way some time and see how I like it.

The nicest thing about having No drop forward on small good guns like mags is the one handed firing, with a light weightish tank coming right from the grip of a mag it goes right on your forearm and makes it VERY nice to fire 1 handed. works best with a s mall co2 tank like 12 ozes on a small / light gun

[Bloencustoms]

I agree. A friend has a 45/4500 tank that is very light and compact, and really cuts down on fatigue during the course of a long day.

[Tipp98WhisperEx]

Originally posted by LAMANTEthePBguy
Drops are not meant to lower your profile. They increase your profile. It helps to know your own side before you flame the opposition:rolleyes:

Well, if you take the time to notice, it does.

Without a drop the tank is usually pressed against your should, projecting the gun 0utward more, giving you a larger profile.
With a drop, the tank is pushed 0utwards, (instead of the marker) making your marker pulled inwards when you press the tank against your shoulder or any other part of your body, this giving you a smaller profile.

It helps to think before you argue with the opposition:rolleyes:


EDIT: Had to spell 0utwards with "0''s instead of "o"s...Stupid filter.

[slushii]

It doesnt change your profile from the front only the sides...so does it really matter? And drops make the gun higher which is not really that good

[Tipp98WhisperEx]

Yeah, that's true that it only really effects your profile from the side, and it does make the gun taller too, but if you need to get really tight a drop would help make you get a little closer to that bunker.

[teufelhunden]

Originally posted by Tipp98WhisperEx

First, Back players don't need a lower profile, they just stand in the back and cover the lanes, no need to be small there. Second, weight shouldn't bother a back player, they don't need to move around much and they're usually aiming at an upward anyways.

In th end, back players don't have a need for drops, so Rodney doesn't use one, hence: not giving him the right to flame them or their users.

Wow. Learn to ball before you speak

[[Infusion]BigC]

Originally posted by $horT_$trokE
Like I said above, it may be easier at first to use a drop, but, just like a real gun, if you want to be a REALLY good shot, you HAVE to have the correct technique (im sure you dont have a shot that equals that of a dynasty player, even if your shot is good). I can go out there and play basketball with my own technique and make a good amount of shots. If I wanted to play at the pro level I would have to discard what I think is right and learn the correct way. Same goes for paintball. You seem to be overlooking a key point to his statement, and thats barrel position in coordination with your eyes. You can also maintain more control when snapshooting by having a correct gun setup.

You know, everybody is different. I personnally play like crap without a drop. I tried it for a few months and even after I got used to it, my tank was awkqard and in my way. For the way that I play, a Uni-Mount just doesn't work. I'm not saying your wrong for using one, I'm saying that I can't use one. Say why am I "wrong" for using a drop?

Thats like me saying im not a big dan marino fan, so im not going to take his QB advice. :rolleyes:

I didn't say I wouldn't take advice from him. I'm sure he knows alot about what he's talking about. I'm just saying he doesn't everything. He doesn't know what it's like to be me, or how I play best. So who is he to tell me what setup is best for me? He just doesn't know. He CAN'T know. The fact that I am not a Dynasty fan simply makes me think twice before taking what they say as absolute fact. I know I don't play better with a Uni-Mount, yet he says I do? Right...

[tippmann_98_98]

This is my frineds old gun that i sometimes uses (its a great gun)

[Tipp98WhisperEx]

Originally posted by teufelhunden


Wow. Learn to ball before you speak

Wow. Come up with a good reason to post instead of flaming people.

[LAMANTEthePBguy]

Originally posted by Tipp98WhisperEx


Well, if you take the time to notice, it does.

Without a drop the tank is usually pressed against your should, projecting the gun 0utward more, giving you a larger profile.
With a drop, the tank is pushed 0utwards, (instead of the marker) making your marker pulled inwards when you press the tank against your shoulder or any other part of your body, this giving you a smaller profile.

It helps to think before you argue with the opposition:rolleyes:


EDIT: Had to spell 0utwards with "0''s instead of "o"s...Stupid filter. Originally posted by Tipp98WhisperEx
Yeah, that's true that it only really effects your profile from the side, and it does make the gun taller too, but if you need to get really tight a drop would help make you get a little closer to that bunker. Well I thought by lowering your profile it might have had somthing to do with how tall your marker is :rolleyes:
Originally posted by teufelhunden
Wow. Learn to ball before you speak

[tippmann3221]

quote:
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No one on the team uses Drop forwards. Unless you plan on using a 114 tank there is no reason to use a drop forward. I personally think that the drop forward is the single worst piece of equipment in paintball today. Too many people use these things and set their guns up so they shoot with a bent wrist and look ***. Try and shoot a real hand gun with a bent wrist and you will end up with a broken face. A drop forward is not designed to set your gun up so the gun becomes a turret on the side of your head. You are not the Borg, You are not trying to join the f&*%n collective. Look at people that shoot real guns, they have the gun out in front of them. Why? So they can see the barrel in front of them. I am not putting anyone down here, it is just that magazines and advertising push this stuff on unsuspecting new players who then get bad habits and are never taught actually how to properly play.

Rdny,
Team Dynasty
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yeah..... but we arent shooting real guns, now are we? i use a drop, and always will. well, with the gun i have now atleast. i tried taking it off, and it well.... sucks. The tank is in such an awkard position.

[Tipp98WhisperEx]

Originally posted by LAMANTEthePBguy
Well I thought by lowering your profile it might have had somthing to do with how tall your marker is :rolleyes:


If you notice, you have the tank tucked in most of the time...

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by Rebel2002
Just because Rodney is a professional doesn't make his opinion any more legible than the biggest noob in the sport.
I'm just going to stop you right there, and say that you are wrong already. If you would take a persons opinion who's never played before, as opposed to a professionaal player then you're an idiot
Originally posted by firekow
Being one of the best back players in the world doesn't mean you're 100% right about everything that has anything to do with paintball either.
Ummmm, nobody ever said it did, If you can find where I said that please quote me just because I can't quite recall:rolleyes:
Originally posted by Kowz_76
So basically cockerkid, you're saying that whatever the pros do is the best?
I didn't even come close to saying that, it's just usually people who are well respected have a greater effect on somebody when voicing their opinion. I didn't say that, and didn't come close to saying that, so don't try and say I did.
Yeah, Dynasty doesn't use drops, so let's all sell our drops because Dynasty is sooooooo kool!!!11one
Yeah, because its just Dynasty who doesn't use drops :rolleyes: What about Trauma, NYX, Miami Effect, Legacy, Aftershock, Naughty dogs, Ironmen, Assassins, and maaaaanyyyyyyyyy teams also out there. But hey, what's it matter that those players, that are clearly better, don't use drops, because you guys must all know better than them right.

It's not just one team guys, get over it, it's how to get things done right, believe it or not, drops are dead
Originally posted by Tipp98WhisperEx



Whoooooa... Rodney is a back player? That makes his opinion seem waaaaayyyyyyyyy different now. What I'm saying is, he really doesn't have the right to flame drops/drop users because back players don't need them!!! Drops are mainly made to lower your guns profile and even out the weight. First, Back players don't need a lower profile, they just stand in the back and cover the lanes, no need to be small there. Second, weight shouldn't bother a back player, they don't need to move around much and they're usually aiming at an upward anyways.

In th end, back players don't have a need for drops, so Rodney doesn't use one, hence: not giving him the right to flame them or their users.
You're joking right? I mean honest to god you can't be serious. Have you ever played a tourney, or even speedball for that matter? Do you think that a back player can have a 100 lb setup that is 3ft tall just because he's in the back it doesn't matter? What about if the game is coming to an end, and you're losing, so only the backs are left, you honestly don't think that they also need a tight setup to not get a loader hit, and be able to snap effectively.

You are truely the most ignorent person in this thread so far, don't bother replying to anything I say to you, just because it won't make a difference at all.
Originally posted by firekow
He's actually listed as a gun tech on their site, but I dunno. CK was the one that posted that he played back. I don't exactly follow the tournament scene.

It's cool to see that people can actually be civil about their opinions on this subject, dog. :tup:
I'm not totally positive if he still plays back, but i'm well aware that he did at some recent point. Like the 03 season at the least. Either way, that doesn't really make a difference about anything

Originally posted by Tipp98WhisperEx


If you notice, you have the tank tucked in most of the time...

Ummm, who has their tank tucked in most of the time. I keep my tank on my bicept, or occasionally over my arm, depending on what i'm doing. But I can tell you that in no way is it "tucked in" at all. So speak for yourself.

You guys have taken a lot of things in the wrong perspective, such as thinking that I apparently only do what pros do just because they play pro. Or thinking that i'm saying that since Rodney did something that he's always right or what have you. This debate will never end, some of you will realize how you're wrong, some won't, that's all there is to it.

[firekow]

My point wasn't that you said he was 100% right all the time, but that you made it seem like you were accepting what he said simply for being famous and playing well. Despite being on dynasty, he can't speak for each individual on the planet.

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by firekow
My point wasn't that you said he was 100% right all the time, but that you made it seem like you were accepting what he said simply for being famous and playing well. Despite being on dynasty, he can't speak for each individual on the planet.

Yeah I couldn't have based any of this on the 3 years i've been playing for.

Hell, I didn't even use him as an example, I just put him in my sig a while back. It's other people who brought that quote into this thread, not me, it's a mere example if that to me.

[Rebel2002]

What I meant was that just because he's a professional doesn't make his opinion a fact. Whether it was Rodney of Team Dynasty saying that or a noob, it's still nothing more than an opinion. Rodney's opinion isn't any more valid than the opinion of any other player of the sport. He may be more educated, but in the end what he said is not fact. It's an opinion.

[firekow]

Originally posted by cocker kid 2k2


Yeah I couldn't have based any of this on the 3 years i've been playing for.

Believe it or not, no matter how much experience you have, you can't speak for everyone either :|.

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by Rebel2002
What I meant was that just because he's a professional doesn't make his opinion a fact. Whether it was Rodney of Team Dynasty saying that or a noob, it's still nothing more than an opinion. Rodney's opinion isn't any more valid than the opinion of any other player of the sport. He may be more educated, but in the end what he said is not fact. It's an opinion.

Technically it's preference, but only to a certain extent. It could be preference for somebody to play a huge tourney with a mech, but why would you, it would just put you at a disadvantage to the other players who can shoot more, faster. Using a drop, puts you at a disadvantage, your loader up, higher. There's lots of things that can be classified as "preference" but still technically incorrect in any sport.

Take basketball for instance, you're not going to shoot the ball, by taking it and just throwing it one-handed. Sure that may be your "preference" But it's basically proven how inaccurate and useless that method is.

How about tennis, you're not going to serve the ball underhanded just because that's your "preference" people will smash it back right at you and it'll be solely because your method, although prefered, is technically not the correct way to do things.

That's just a couple examples out of the many many many I could come up with if needed, it just shows how things can be somebodys "opinion" yet still be "wrong" in a particular aspect of somebody who knows what they're doing.

[Rebel2002]

Well what if, in this particular case, using a drop causes a player to perform better? Just because it's the 'wrong' way to play they shouldn't use a drop? If a player's preference puts them PERSONALLY at an advantage, I'd say that's the right way to play.

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by Rebel2002
Well what if, in this particular case, using a drop causes a player to perform better? Just because it's the 'wrong' way to play they shouldn't use a drop? If a player's preference puts them PERSONALLY at an advantage, I'd say that's the right way to play.

It's hard to understand what i'm trying to get across. But basically what i'm trying to say is that using a drop may help you for the time being, but will only allow you to become so good with how you can hold your marker and how good of a shot you can be. The best example I can think of is typing.

Not everybody knows how to type well, and for somebody learning how to type, what is going to be easier for them, looking down at the keys, pressing each key with the general one finger motion. Or staring up at the screen, typing away because they know where all the keys are and they can type without having to look.

Picture looking down at the keyboard, and poking the keys one handed like using a drop. Sure it's easier to type like that (easier to hold your gun like that) at first, but eventually, it will only let you be so good at it.

And now picture looking up at the screen, typing without looking at the keyboard, like using a no drop setup. Sure it may be harder to get used to at first, but it will allow you to do much better things in the long run.

Drops in my opinion are like warps, they're a crutch, for people who don't know how to hold their gun right, quite yet, not saying they can't learn. But to make it easier for them they get that piece of equiptment, and it helps them that one time, and they think it's good, so they stick with it, which may in the end just end up handicapping them.

[Rebel2002]

Good explanation. I can't really argue against that, considering I'll be dropping my drop (no pun intended) for a MaxFlo very soon.

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by Rebel2002
Good explanation. I can't really argue against that, considering I'll be dropping my drop (no pun intended) for a MaxFlo very soon.

One more person on the no-drop setup :tup:

[$horT_$trokE]

I was going to post... but apparently cocker kid got into my head and typed it out before I got home...

[Person]

Originally posted by cocker kid 2k2


[Using a drop, puts you at a disadvantage, your loader up, higher. There's lots of things that can be classified as "preference" but still technically incorrect in any sport.



This is not one of those technically incorrect things. A good drop forward setup brings the gun as close as comfortably possible, and leaves the hopper right below your head or level with it. Having a shorter marker makes the gun more handleable when your playing close to a bunker of any kind. Whatever method you use to get that tank out of the way, like putting it under or over your arm, isnt as comfortable for some people. I like to shuv my gun right against my arm and have my hand go strait up to the trigger, not in a position to stress my hand much but it makes the marker stable while holding the foregrip. Just because you like a longer marker, and some other people do, doesnt make it technically wrong to use a drop forward...there are different purposes not set in stone for each setup. Shorter markers are much more handleable, and hoppers seldom rise above someones head, especially now with ultra low rise feed tubes and new stuff like q loaders.

Long markers are much harder to handle when playing close to a bunker, especially if you like to have something against your arm or body or shoulder to stabilize your shot.

[Person]

Originally posted by Rebel2002
Good explanation. I can't really argue against that, considering I'll be dropping my drop (no pun intended) for a MaxFlo very soon.

Where do you put your tank when you are playing close to a bunker?

[$horT_$trokE]

Just let it die... cocker kid wins.

Bottom line, if youre shooting correctly, a uni will allow you to play tighter and have greater gun control once youre used to it.

[Person]

A uni will allow you to play tighter, right....the only place i can find for my dads piranha's bottomline co2 tank is on top of my elbow, or on top of my shoulder, or under my arm, all of which are terrible positions, the only way i can see it working out OK is if you use a super short stubby tank, which wouldnt be so bad, but not everyone has that short of tanks.

[p8ntfreak98]

Dude my friend gets tighter than me by a lot and he has a old school long 88 centerflag(passed hydro twice lol.) Why? PRACTICE.


I swear, he can get so tight in his bunker you dont even see him, just his stream of paint. And hes huge. He makes me look small. And I'm 6'2 almost 260. Yeah, practice playing with a rail or a uni(even tho unis blow) and in a week youll be playing alot tighter.

[p8ntfreak98]

Another thing I've noticed:

You guys act like Smart Parts or Empire or anyone sponsoring a pro team for that matter care what the teams use on their guns (drop wise).


Think SP cares that synasty doesnt use a drop? No. Dynasty can use a 90inch drop for all SP cares, just as long as it has the SP name on it.

Empire care about ND using no drop? Nope. Empire makes it all so they could be using the cradles for all Empire cares.


Pros do what they do for a reason, and it seems to be working.

[Tipp98WhisperEx]

Originally posted by cocker kid 2k2
You're joking right? I mean honest to god you can't be serious. Have you ever played a tourney, or even speedball for that matter? Do you think that a back player can have a 100 lb setup that is 3ft tall just because he's in the back it doesn't matter? What about if the game is coming to an end, and you're losing, so only the backs are left, you honestly don't think that they also need a tight setup to not get a loader hit, and be able to snap effectively.

You are truely the most ignorent person in this thread so far, don't bother replying to anything I say to you, just because it won't make a difference at all.
[/COLOR]


Oh, so now drops are good?:rolleyes:

Well, gee, I'm sorry that I made a mistake... I mean... It's not like anyone else makes mistakes...

[p8ntfreak98]

FINAL THING! (lol)


I'll be honest. I used a huge drop for a while:

http://img32.photobucket.com/albums/v95/waffle/DSC00551.jpg


then realized they suck:

http://www.hunt101.com/img/089722.JPG (http://www.hunt101.com/?p=89722&c=564&z=1)

Still too far forward, couldnt wrap a bunker for crap, sold the cocker, got this some time later:

http://img32.photobucket.com/albums/v95/waffle/Paintball_pics_060.jpg

See? I used a drop, I'm not trying to be some hard core bad a** and be all like "Yeah I never used a drop becasuse they sucks blah blah blah."

Hell, CK probably used a drop back in the day. But that was back then. Pball evolved, so we (the players) had to step up.

Even Dynasty used drops, big ones like me, they just realized a long time before me that it terribly messed up the way you play.

And admit it, if a pro does it, it influences you. No matter what sport or activity.

[firekow]

Nice post, CK, although I won't be getting rid of my drop since for one thing I'm used to it and I like how it looks, and that I have no money. But still, good point.

[Kowz_76]

But cockerkid, the example that you keep going back to is that pros don't use drops. So what? Not many pros use vikings. Does that mean they aren't any good? I bet that if you strapped a drop to every one of those pro team's guns, they could probably do about as well. They wouldn't have a feel for the gun, which wouldn't allow them to play AWESOME, but they'd do fine. Some people like drops, and some people don't give a **** about playing tournies or anything. Let whoever wants to use a drop. If they choose not to, fine, but don't force the dropless setup down their throat.

[robdamanii]

Originally posted by cocker kid 2k2


You'd think by now people would learn that maybe, just maybe, somebody who is a professional, one of the best back players in the world, would know what they're talking about. Just because newbs like you don't agree with him doesn't mean that he's wrong.

And he's not me either. If I don't like a drop, then his opinion, and everyone else's who says "drops suck" means f*** all to me.

I don't care if he's jesus himself. I'm comfortable with a drop. You don't like it? Tough. That's how I play, and if it works for me, then it works and I'm happy.

Furthermore, youre points on "it's technically wrong" are bulls***. There's nothing "technically wrong" as long as you're winning. Paintball is the game you make it. People prefer drops, and just because you want to play Drop Hitler and eliminate all of them doesn't mean you have the right to tell ME I have to get rid of mine, and alter the style of my play to make YOU happy. If I want to use a drop that extends past that reg on my marker (and I do) I will do so. If I play well with it, and win with it, I will continue to use that drop. Nothing you, Dynasty, Chris Lasoya, or anyone else will says will change the style of play that I use or the way I play my game. If you don't like my opinion, go to Cuba where there's only one opinion and you're not allowed to have freedom to choose what you wish to use.

/pissed off rant.

[Infiltrator]

How the heck do you run and shoot stable with a drop? It just seems like it would be all weird. It's way easier to bunker someone with your gun in your shoulder (to aim better of course) than it floating around in the air at your stomach. I take it that you actually aim for the guy you are bunkering right? I think that many pros don't use drops because it is WAY easier to run and shoot with the gun pressed in your shoulder with one hand and other hand free to rip. I guess I was never comfortable with a drop. It always seemed like all the weight was on my wrists. I don't know about you, but it's hard to aim a gun with just my wrists.

[robdamanii]

Originally posted by Infiltrator
How the heck do you run and shoot stable with a drop? It just seems like it would be all weird. It's way easier to bunker someone with your gun in your shoulder (to aim better of course) than it floating around in the air at your stomach. I take it that you actually aim for the guy you are bunkering right? I think that many pros don't use drops because it is WAY easier to run and shoot with the gun pressed in your shoulder with one hand and other hand free to rip. I guess I was never comfortable with a drop. It always seemed like all the weight was on my wrists. I don't know about you, but it's hard to aim a gun with just my wrists.

Some of us don't shoot off the break, and just because the marker is closer to your mask doesn't mean you can't move and shoot at the same time. And it's not difficult to aim at all. Like everything else in the sport, practice makes perfect.

[Infiltrator]

I only run and shoot off the break if there is a giant pyramid center 50 I can run to. That allows me to help the backplayers sweetspot players out and at the same time gets me to the 50. Also it's alot easier to superman dive with my bro's angel LCD CNC that has no drop than it is with my kapp stubby setup with my autococker. I have to use a stubby with the centerflag 201. Also it's way easier to snap shoot out of the snake with no drop than a stubby. I hold the angel so the tank is resting on my arm. I can't do that with a drop. If I did the barrel and hopper would be way over my head. Of course you can remedy this by planting the tank on the ground, but then you have to crane your neck to aim down the barrel. Feels really stupid in my opinion. Makes me feel like a blind firing newbie. I used a 7 inch drop forward on my bros old autococker (it's sold, but that was the shortest trigger stroke I could ever get on a mech (try the bomb with the reflex)) and old LCD angel (stolen by a canadian) and that's what I felt like: a newbie shooting over his head position. It was just total awkwardness. That is just in my experience. I switch guns around and take note of the comfort and ease of use level.

I remember when I first started to play neighborhood kids. They said the first upgrade I should get is a drop forward. I really didn't believe it, because they looked liek they didn't know diddly squat about paintball. I ignored them, sold my old autococker, and bought a 2k2 STO autococker that came with the 201 tank and stubby. After I upgraded it through the roof, I bought a new body and switched the upgrades into it and used the old parts to sell the STO again. Bites because my nickname was STO. I always dissolve into stories. Sorry.

[$horT_$trokE]

How the heck do you run and shoot stable with a drop?

The answer is you cant. You might be able to play at a level youre happy with while using one and thats fine by me. Some people want to have pro level shots some day. If you are that serious, a proper gun setup is a good first step.

As far as vikings go, the gun they use is all in sponsorship. Tell AKALMP to sponsor strange and they will all shoot vikings.

"I dont care what tiger woods says, I prefer a happy gilmore style 1 armed running swing. I beat bob from the office EVERY WEEKEND with that swing. I dont car what tiger says, whats comfortable for me is what im going to do!!

/end ignorant rant"

[Rebel2002]

Originally posted by Person


Where do you put your tank when you are playing close to a bunker?

I shoulder the tank. Right now I'm using a 88/45 with my drop, and I'll be getting a 45/45 maxflo, so the only difference will be that the gun isn't so tall.

And cockerkid, I'm not anti-drops at all. Drops on mechs=:tup:, Drops on electros=:tdown:

[Ryan314]

Uni-mount fo sho.

http://www.wgpimagehost.com/pbpics/NE3.jpg

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by Kowz_76
But cockerkid, the example that you keep going back to is that pros don't use drops. So what? Not many pros use vikings. Does that mean they aren't any good? I bet that if you strapped a drop to every one of those pro team's guns, they could probably do about as well. They wouldn't have a feel for the gun, which wouldn't allow them to play AWESOME, but they'd do fine. Some people like drops, and some people don't give a **** about playing tournies or anything. Let whoever wants to use a drop. If they choose not to, fine, but don't force the dropless setup down their throat.

You know why pro's don't use Vikings, it's because Aka didn't sponsor any teams to use Vikings. Basically every pro team out there, could get a drop from their sponsor if they wanted to. Which makes your point invalid.

And to the person who said that I probably used to use a drop before, I will OPENLY admit that I used to love drops, I used to have a kappdzII on my first cocker, I thought it was great. But then I sold it because it was too big/purple (it was purple), and I got a smaller one, but it didn't fit my marker with my tank, so I just used it with no drop, and from that point on I loved the no drop setup. I learned how to manauver with it better, and now I can play much better without one than I could with one.

Setup with a drop: http://www.hunt101.com/img/142747.jpg (http://www.hunt101.com/?p=142747&c=500&z=1)

Setup without drop:http://www.hunt101.com/img/134379.bmp (http://www.hunt101.com/?p=134379&c=500&z=1)

Such a great improvement.

[dog-of-Dislexia]

Guys, ok everyone attacking Cocker Kid, here is what I think he's trying to get across (if this is not what you intended Cocker kid let me know and I'll delete this post). As he said using a drop you can still be good, but you can only be so good. So I'll try to explain...here goes.

It's (strangely) like if you play golf. In golf there is a 'proper' way to swing the club. The proper way may seem uncomfortable at first and you won't be able to do well using the proper method at first. So you use your own method. Your own method is comfortable for you, and at first using your method you'll do better than trying to learn the 'proper' way. Now, you can still be good if you use your own style. But if you want to try and go professional then you might want to look into listening to the Pro's about what their techniques are (although it is possible to go pro using your own style). However if you are playing paintball or even golf just for fun without worrying about trying to be pro or anything than just do what is comfortable for you.

(I think) What Cocker Kid is saying is that the professionals have figured out what works best, and although you can still be good using a drop, you can only be so good not using the 'proper' techniques. Learning to play without a drop may take some time getting used to, but once you do get used to it, chances are that it's more effective.

Then, there are exceptions. Some of you have drops and love them. You've tried playing without drops and you hate it. You'll never like drops. And that's personal preference, and that's fine. I don't think it makes you a worse player necessarily. I wouldn't call someone a 'newb' for using a drop because chances are there's tons of people out there who use drops who would crush me. I say use whatever is most comfortable to you.

(Again, Cocker Kid I was just trying to explain what I think you were trying to get across, if this isn't what you meant to say then PM me and I'll get rid of it.)

Again. Use what you like. I'll use what I like, and I'll see you at the 50.

Just my two cents. :twocents:

Peace.

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by dog-of-Dislexia
Guys, ok everyone attacking Cocker Kid, here is what I think he's trying to get across (if this is not what you intended Cocker kid let me know and I'll delete this post).

Yeah, that is basically the idea that I was trying to get across, just one more example for it though.

I hope maybe some people will realize what i'm trying to say with your explination, because they sure apparently can't grasp the concept i'm trying to get across.

[HurleyHero67]

Well I don't use a drop anymore, but what I do agree with Kowz in that I don't like it when (let's take cocker kids sig for example) pros, or anyone, try to march around and tell other paintballers how their supposed to play. To use Dislexia's analogy, Tiger Woods isn't jumping on some major golf forum and ranting on people who don't play like the pros do. Whoever it was in CK's sig goes on and on about you look *** when you use drops, your not joining the borg, blah blah. Whatever, let them play how they want to play. If it's more comfortable for you, go for it.

But I would agree with anyone who suggested that no drop was a more effective way to play, I just don't think it's right to act like whoever in Dynasty it was who said that. I'm sure that thread was just followed up with a massive amount of asskissing like there is on every Dynasty thread, people going like OMG HE's SO RIGHT I HAVE NEVER USED I DROP!! I ALWAYS WANTED TO TELL PEOPLE NOT TO BUT I THOUGHT I'd GET FLAMED....

[dog-of-Dislexia]

Hey I may have came across the wrong way. I wasn't trying to tell people what to use. I was just trying to explain CK's position. I agree with you that everyone should use what they like.

[Calebd2]

The fact is, paintball guns were not made with drops. It's not suppose to be there, it's something added, that's really not suppose to be there.

Fact is, and it's proven, your game will be better without a drop. You can argue it all you want, but it's true.

If you like a drop, fine. Use it if you like it. If it makes you happy, go for it.

I use to be big on drops too. Started with one of those monster 8" Psycho Ballistics drops and thought I was all mad good with my arms twisted all over the place. Finally realized it was way to much and went to a smaller shocktech. Than a guy from the VL Allstars told me to go a couple weeks without one. I never went back. It feels weird at first, but if you watch your game, it gets better and you get use to it.

[HurleyHero67]

My post wasn't directed towards you Dislexia. It was more directed towards, well CK's sig, and the people I see at my fields who walk around all bad *** because they saw that thread on PBN so they go and make fun of people that have them. I would say something more constructive like you might want to consider losing the drop, I've had much better results without it. If they reject my advice, I just wish them luck in their next game and move on.

[Person]

Originally posted by Rebel2002


I shoulder the tank. Right now I'm using a 88/45 with my drop, and I'll be getting a 45/45 maxflo, so the only difference will be that the gun isn't so tall.

And cockerkid, I'm not anti-drops at all. Drops on mechs=:tup:, Drops on electros=:tdown:

Im asking people that are using bigger tanks with no drop, their gun is like 30 inches long, shouldering the tank doesnt work when your trying to get close to a solid bunker.... someone please tell me what you do when you are playing like that..

[p8ntfreak98]

Uh...my DM4 is like 32 inches long.


Alias is a tad bit shorter.


I havent had a problem with staying tight...





AND!



HAHA I TOLD YOU ALL! CK did use a drop! Yeah that was pretty pointless but still. We're not trying to be harcore like the pbn dynasty forum. We keeps it real.

[Person]

Originally posted by p8ntfreak98
Uh...my DM4 is like 32 inches long.


Alias is a tad bit shorter.


I havent had a problem with staying tight...





AND!



HAHA I TOLD YOU ALL! CK did use a drop! Yeah that was pretty pointless but still. We're not trying to be harcore like the pbn dynasty forum. We keeps it real.

Can you explain to me your staying tight techniques, your marker setup is over a foot longer then mine when i use my shorter barrel, I took my fathers gun out of his room to see how i could possible stay close to a bunker and still pull the big gun out and its just impossible for me, id like to know how you do it.

One more thing, what is this i hear about "accurate shots" did none of you ever learn to shoot accurately with a drop forward? You guys must have had some really wang setup.

[Blue Baller]

No drop for me, they are indeed ghey. I can't even stand them anymore. I love unimounts so much. I might try a rail here pretty soon too.

[p8ntfreak98]

I'll take pics later person, it's somewhat difficult to do at first but when you get the hang of it your hella tight.

[LAMANTEthePBguy]

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but this is how I see it. I will compare it to what i do best, running. Some kid may go out there, with arms flailing and slapping his feet on the ground and end up winning the race. Now he doesnt have very good form, but he still won the race. If he had a good coach, that coach would work on his form. Do you know why? It allows him to use the skill he already has more effectively. Let me tell you, having good form is very hard, but in the end it is worth it. I have been trying to run more on my toes, instead of my heels, for probably six months now. Do you know why? As soon as i get off my heels, without exerting any extra energy, I go faster. Its just i have been running on my heels for the past three and a half years, so it is awkward to change this old habit. SO in the end, you may be able to get tight with a drop, but once you change over, you will be able to be more effective at getting tight. (i hope that made sense.)

[HurleyHero67]

:tup: Yes Lamate, it made sense, and stuff like that is what I try to get across to newbs, not talking like Rodney and people who tell newbs they look *** and their not trying to look like the ":censored:ing collective". Yeah, that's constructive. I mean damn, some people talk like they've been god since they started paintball and they knew it all when they were newbs too :rolleyes:

[p8ntfreak98]

He wasn't talking to noobs...

[HurleyHero67]

Doesn't matter, my point still stands. He could give constructive criticism instead of ranting like that, and if someone says well I still like my drop, I feel more comfortable with it, who are you to tell him otherwise. Again, I'll repeat, I do not use drops and I try to convince people at the fields that have them why you should probably try it out without one, but I'm certainly not going to tell them they look *** and rant on them. Rant on the distributors and advertisers who say their a requirement, would be more useful I say.

And I don't neccissarily have a thing against Dynasty or Rodney, the quote happens to be in CKs profile so I'm just using it as an example. I couldn't agree with him more, but well you get my point.

[[Infusion]BigC]

I have a huge tank. the small drop keeps may gun comfortably out in front of me.

My setup is hardly super tight. In fact, my tank sits higher and my gun is farther then some of the unimount setups I've seen.

Seeing how a uni-mount would make my marker terribly far away, and hard to aim with and possibly make my gun taller, am I still wrong for having a drop?

[p8ntfreak98]

It would just make it longer, not taller.


For Person:

http://img32.photobucket.com/albums/v95/waffle/paintball_pics_074.jpg

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[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by HurleyHero67
And I don't neccissarily have a thing against Dynasty or Rodney, the quote happens to be in CKs profile so I'm just using it as an example. I couldn't agree with him more, but well you get my point.

The point of his post wasn't about how he said it, it was about what he said. If you feel so offended that he wasn't being nice to everybody in sharing his opinion, thats an entirely different thread on its own, but for now, how he said whatever isn't what's being discussed, so it really has no relevence in the debate.

[chibissj]

Waggles have I ever told you, you are freggin huge.

And nice sandals.

[p8ntfreak98]

Yeah, the sad thing is I'm 15, and you could probably hide behind me and not be seen...

An yes, my sandals = agg.

[Ryan314]

Originally posted by p8ntfreak98
It would just make it longer, not taller.


For Person:

http://img32.photobucket.com/albums/v95/waffle/paintball_pics_074.jpg

http://img32.photobucket.com/albums/v95/waffle/paintball_pics_073.jpg

http://img32.photobucket.com/albums/v95/waffle/paintball_pics_072.jpg

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http://img32.photobucket.com/albums/v95/waffle/paintball_pics_070.jpg

"You know you're addicted to paintball when..." you're doing that.

[Rebel2002]

Originally posted by p8ntfreak98
Yeah, the sad thing is I'm 15

Dude you look like you're 30:eyes:

[Forest Spyder]

Whoever was your photographer, must think you are definitely a bit crazy in the head, taking photographs of yourself in your back yard.

[[Infusion]BigC]

Originally posted by p8ntfreak98
It would just make it longer, not taller.


Well, I was saying I've seen uni-mounts that would make it taller then my drop.

Yeah, you see how shot your tank is. That's about how close I have my gun. It's just that my tank is real big and so I need to move it forward a bit to git it there. What's wrong with that? I really dont think anything wrong with having a drop setup like my own. Now, I'm not gonna sit here and defend a phsycho ballistics drop setup or anything like that, but what I'm asking is this.

Are there not times when a small drop is appropriate?

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by [Infusion]BigC
Are there not times when a small drop is appropriate?
Exactly how long is your tank? If you have one of the long style 88's or 114's. Then a drop is kind of the only option you have. But if you have a chubby 88 or anything less, you shouldn't need a drop at all.

Tanks that big aren't even necessary anymore, i'd recommend getting something smaller, because it seems like for you a 68+ unimount would decrease the size of your setup substantially

[[Infusion]BigC]

I have a 68, it's just hella big for me :|

I really wanted a 45/4500, but couldn't find a cheap enough one and couldn't find a non aluminum 47/3000 either (I hate heavy tanks). I may get a 45/4500 later. If I do, I will probably get a Uni-Mount then.

[p8ntfreak98]

You must be hella short then...my friend Dave is like 5'2 and uses a 88 stubby with a CP pro rail and on/off.

[Person]

P8ntfreak, thanks...You sort of play sideways a bit from what i can see, that is what i was thinking of....

i dont want to argue with everyones preference...you dont like drops, grand.

I will say that using a drop forward is in NO way at all "improper form" and all of your analogies trying to explain that are incorrect...if someone preferred using a gigantic gun that is like 60 inches long with a bipod and 200x optical scope, that would be factually incorrect, but that is not the case with a drop forward.

Using a drop forward allows you to place your tank right on your shoulder or body or whatever and be comfortable....using a standard duckbill or a unimount just means you need to turn a bit to put the tank to the side of your body or kinda under your arm.

Using a drop forward isnt incorrect, if you cant fire accurately with a decent drop forward setup then dont use one, its your problem. I dont like using large setups because it makes it hard for me to switch hands and snap shoot out of my short steel barrel bunkers.

[p8ntfreak98]

If you notice my tank is pretty much on my shoulder.




Lol, it was my mom taking the pics. She was like ":eyes: Your joking right...?" And I was like "....no."


Anyway.

Looking older helps when seeing movies, the people think im like 19, and I just say I left my ID at home. Worked everytime, I swear the people are retarded (Not joking, I really think they are)

[p8ntfreak98]

LMAO!

BEHOLD THE ALIMIGHTY COBRA WRIST!
http://img32.photobucket.com/albums/v95/waffle/paintball.jpg



BOW DOWN TO IT!




(pretty damn good pic by the way....)

[Person]

see how he gets to stand strait...his tank is a bit too far up there no doubt, but do you understand what im saying? Not everyone has their hand that wang, he needs a Z grip, not even a vert frame, but a nice, extreme z grip.

[p8ntfreak98]

Originally posted by Person
see how he gets to stand strait...his tank is a bit too far up there no doubt, but do you understand what im saying? Not everyone has their hand that wang, he needs a Z grip, not even a vert frame, but a nice, extreme z grip.


I'm confused greatly by this last post...

Standing straight?

Z grip?

wang?

[Person]

him = standing face forward with gun close and arms "wang" wang = messed up, not right, weird.

z grip, you dont know what that is! im going to hit you with a blackjack, or just a normal club! gee....man......

http://www.airgun.com/museum/z-grip.htm shazzles.

see how you stand kinda sideways with your longer setup? try standing next to a wall and switching hands =/

[p8ntfreak98]

Whoa, wait wait wait. Wang means messed up? I thought it was a *****...


Uh that z frame is for mags only....



And me leaning is from playing Air bunkers. Habit now.

[Person]

Ive never had the oppurtunity to play in a field with sup air bunkers.

I was only stating that he needed something like a z grip to play the way he does and still have comfortable wrists.

I dont remember what we were argueing about :| whatever.

[Spyder1986]

Flame drop.. without a drop i think my gun feels uncomfortable.

http://www.hunt101.com/showphoto.php?photo=145324&sort=7&thecat=500&password=

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by Person
see how you stand kinda sideways with your longer setup? try standing next to a wall and switching hands =/

Why would I stand next to a wall to see how it is, i'm not going to be playing against a wall. It's extremely easy to switch hands with a long setup, and since the setup is on the side you can only expose that particular side which exposes less of your body when shooting, hence playing tighter.

[Person]

I was just saying that the only reason it looks like his gun is close to his body is because of the way he stands.
Its much more difficult to switch hands with a long setup especially on shorter bunkers, when playing tight you need to practically put the gun up vertically and switch it over, or just step back from the bunker.

[[Infusion]BigC]

Originally posted by p8ntfreak98
You must be hella short then...my friend Dave is like 5'2 and uses a 88 stubby with a CP pro rail and on/off.

Naw, I'm about 5'10

It's just I don't want my gun any farther away then it is.

I have a pretty good setup I think. The way I shoot, my wrist is totally straight (or at least as straigh as yours in your pics). So I think having my gun farther away would just creat more of a reaching situation, and just make my gun harder to manuver. If my tank was smaller I'd for sure get a Uni-Mount, but as it is my gun is just about as far away as I need it.

[chibissj]

Originally posted by p8ntfreak98
If you notice my tank is pretty much on my shoulder.




Lol, it was my mom taking the pics. She was like ":eyes: Your joking right...?" And I was like "....no."


Anyway.

Looking older helps when seeing movies, the people think im like 19, and I just say I left my ID at home. Worked everytime, I swear the people are retarded (Not joking, I really think they are)

Then you being the rich spoiled kid went just shut up mom and take the damn pictures.

[p8ntfreak98]

Originally posted by chibissj


Then you being the rich spoiled kid went just shut up mom and take the damn pictures.


...no

[chibissj]

fine don't be like the rich kid in the simpsons....