Do people like using sights on there M98s?

[Mad4Sax2]

I was wondering how many people like using sights (red dots, lasers, scopes, etc.) on their M98s. I have tried using a cheap red dot sight (the cheapest Daisy Sight), but found I could be more accurate and could line up my shots more quickly with the stock dovetail sight that comes with the M98. Just curious as to what people thought about the usefulness of sights.

[bigxonbox]

Pointless... thats all I have to say about any sites. When you play paintball enough, or even if you just have a good eye you should be able to shoot accuratley without a site. The stupid sight on my 98 is useless.
-Heres a tipp (pun intended even though stupid lol) Aim with first shot. Even if they duck, you move, ect you at least know how high, and wide you are shooting. Your shot shouldn't be too far off even if it does miss. Maybe within 5 feet. But alot of people can hit you with their first shot, it just takes practice. By the time you look out of a scope its stupid. Laser sights give your direction away too and by the time your setting up your shot you will get shot by somebody who will just take a couple of shots near you and hit you. If you are good with it go ahead i just think it is pointless.

[Jstar416]

Whenever you see a sight (red dot, scope, laser, whatever) mounted on a Tippmann of any kind, it is usually for aesthetic/cosmetic value. They usually want the whole mil-sim look. In paintball, you don't really shoot far enough to require any more than the simple "point and shoot" philosophy.

[E r y k]

take it from me... i've tried everything... lasers, red dots, scopes... you name em.

what did i end up using? nothing.

paintballs simply arent accurate enough for a sighting device.

but u can put it on for cosmetic reasons.

[thesoak]

anyone who wastes money on something that is suposed to do something for cosmetics is a moron i used to use a scope and when i do it rocks but i am acurate enough that i do not need one

[Jstar416]

Originally posted by thesoak
anyone who wastes money on something that is suposed to do something for cosmetics is a moron i used to use a scope and when i do it rocks but i am acurate enough that i do not need one

They're not stupid, they just want a certain look. With that rationale, you can easily say that people who buy and wear nice clothes are stupid. It's all a matter of preference.

[thesoak]

no thatsd not the same


but i think theose pants with suspenders are stupid and i think people that get cargo pants but dont use them are stupid


thats the difference


cool clothes do nothing but look cool

they dont do anythig


but a scope does

[Empyreal Rogue]

Scopes or sites are not necessary for paintball markers because they're so inaccurate. Thus making them cosmetic upgrades. The only type of scope that would actually be useful on a paintball marker would have to just magnify a circle with a 5 foot radius and would only magnify up to 50-75 feet. Does one exist? No.

The Red Dot Site by ADCO is probably the only thing close to being useful. All that does is paint a small red dot on your designated target but you have to looking through the site.

I almost forgot, tunnel vision! Scopes create tunnel vision. Not good for paintball, not at all.

[thesoak]

well u dotn know anythign abotu scope do you buddy they make 2x-11x scopes and i think that would be in the rage you said


so why dont u SEARCH around b4 sounding dumb

sights do help but i have my gun down i do not need one but if i have an open shot and i ahev time to aim i will if not i wont

[Chill_Bebop]

I think that Sight rails are probably the best. They work ok aiming-wise, and even better for looks. They look great.

I've never really had a use for sights, except when im actually aiming for something in woodsball. In speedball or small courses, just use hand-eye coordination. Taking the time to aim will get you out.

[thesoak]

anyone who uses a 98c for speedball isnt that bright


woodsball is all about patience so a scope is usefull


to say it isnt acurate enough to hit something is a crock if it wasnt no one would ever play paintball cuz it would be all luck


i can be 50 feet from someone and i know they dont sdhoot me but if i miss im dead if i take 1/3 of a second to aim i win and i get to hit em on the face

[Chill_Bebop]

Originally posted by thesoak
anyone who uses a 98c for speedball isnt that bright


woodsball is all about patience so a scope is usefull


to say it isnt acurate enough to hit something is a crock if it wasnt no one would ever play paintball cuz it would be all luck


i can be 50 feet from someone and i know they dont sdhoot me but if i miss im dead if i take 1/3 of a second to aim i win and i get to hit em on the face

1. 98 Customs are great speedballers. Not great stock, but hell, 98s can be made into pretty much anything you want them to be. Lets just say that your wrong, and drop this topic before you get flamed by half the tippmann board.

2. Scope? SCOPE? SCOPE?!!!
The woodsball i play isnt played by Ninjas and snipers. It doesnt require a whole lot of patience or scopes. You dont sit on your butt behind a tree waiting for some douche to walk by, whistling dixie.

3. Ever heard of the term "Spray and Pray"?

4. I didnt understand what you said. Something about someone 50 feet away.

[thesoak]

Originally posted by Chill_Bebop


1. 98 Customs are great speedballers. Not great stock, but hell, 98s can be made into pretty much anything you want them to be. Lets just say that your wrong, and drop this topic before you get flamed by half the tippmann board.

2. Scope? SCOPE? SCOPE?!!!
The woodsball i play isnt played by Ninjas and snipers. It doesnt require a whole lot of patience or scopes. You dont sit on your butt behind a tree waiting for some douche to walk by, whistling dixie.

3. Ever heard of the term "Spray and Pray"?

4. I didnt understand what you said. Something about someone 50 feet away.


1. ya with a egrip its good but for that price you could get a cocker or other natural light weight electro

2. lol ok i dont expect anyone to wistle but when i play its so dence that you can be 30 feet away and not know it you cant ell if its ur team movin or the enemy

3. yes i call it prayntball and it is stupid if u cant aim dont fire 10+ bps is retarded

4. if someone is 50 feet away and i spot them i dotn go shooting like a madman i set up a great shot if they end up gettin out of sight o well but if they are still in sight it is 100% chance i will hit them

[Empyreal Rogue]

Oh ho, oh ho, YOU'RE telling ME to use the button search? HAH. Irony at its finest.

Woodsball is about patience sometimes, I'll give you that. But if you're sitting there looking down this scope you're using up about 35% of your peripheral vision and that 65% isn't being used at all! That's called tunnel vision. So you're looking around and can only see 35% of 100%, do you realize you might as well have a frickin' neon sign above your head that says,

"HEY GUYS, LOOK RIGHT HERE! I CAN'T SEE YOU, COME OWN ME!"

And regarding your statement saying that 98c's are bad for speedball matches I have one question for you: How did Tippmann Effect do it? Luck? No. Natural Newbie is using Intimidator internals on his 98c because they both are pneumatic. It's pretty much fully electronic with his E-Bolt and rumor has it that TE has pretty much the exact same setup.

[E r y k]

no TE is using tippmann parts only... only NN uses a timmy noid... not timmy parts.

[Empyreal Rogue]

Musta read his post on PBNation wrong then. And I only heard it as a rumor, E R Y K.

But still, my point stands and is still valid.

[thesoak]

Originally posted by Empyreal Rogue
Oh ho, oh ho, YOU'RE telling ME to use the button search? HAH. Irony at its finest.

Woodsball is about patience sometimes, I'll give you that. But if you're sitting there looking down this scope you're using up about 35% of your peripheral vision and that 65% isn't being used at all! That's called tunnel vision. So you're looking around and can only see 35% of 100%, do you realize you might as well have a frickin' neon sign above your head that says,

"HEY GUYS, LOOK RIGHT HERE! I CAN'T SEE YOU, COME OWN ME!"

And regarding your statement saying that 98c's are bad for speedball matches I have one question for you: How did Tippmann Effect do it? Luck? No. Natural Newbie is using Intimidator internals on his 98c because they both are pneumatic. It's pretty much fully electronic with his E-Bolt and rumor has it that TE has pretty much the exact same setup.



i said search as a joke

i do not look in my scope until i have locked my target

i do not see puttin electronics in a tippmann jsut buy an electro

also i play woodsball in damp climate so electros will not work for me wile your charging your battery or shorting out im blowbackin my way to the gold lol

[Coenen]

Originally posted by thesoak
i do not look in my scope until i have locked my targetYou've got your target "locked", so you use the scope to make sure? Why not just pop them and get it over with?

[thesoak]

replace lock with located

[Coenen]

The statement stands. Once you find them pop 'em don't waste any time that you don't have to. Actually it's fine situation to use accuracy by volume, draw a bead and let it rain paint, don't give them a chance to respond.

[thesoak]

meanwile a paint ball is like 5 cents a piece throw dollars away when you could simply take that extra fraction of a second to aim and not waste paint

[Coenen]

B/c in that extra fraction of a second he could see me and take cover or fire a burst of his own. Waste him before he can do ANYTHING.

As you are well aware, the sport is expensive by nature, if you aren't willing to bear the financial burden you picked the wrong sport.

[thesoak]

there you go throwin insults again why dont you jsut shut your flesh rod hole and understand when someone is playing woodsball in brush chancesa are you might not make it to him without balls exploding on a branch so take your time


lets say u shoot and it hits a branch 2 feet infront of you or u gotta shoot through a shrub well the big loud noice combinged with the big orange tree might give it away

[Coenen]

Let's say I do, good thing I fired a burst to increase my chances of a ball making it through to the target. Let's say you do too, your one ball breaks in the shrub or bounces when it hits him, same result only now the guy knows he's being shot at and can respond. The whole point of taking the shot is to eliminate him, you should do everything in your power to make sure that happens without the other guy being able to do a thing about it. As Gen. Patton once said: "The point of war is not die for your country it's to make the other poor SOB die for his". The point of paintball is to eliminate the opponent with as much prejudice as possible.

I'm not throwing insults, you play, you know it's expensive, it's a simple statement. If I was insulting you you'd know it. It certainly didn't warrant you attacking my sexual preferences.

[AgentOrange]

Originally posted by thesoak
there you go throwin insults again why dont you jsut shut your flesh rod hole and understand when someone is playing woodsball in brush chancesa are you might not make it to him without balls exploding on a branch so take your time


lets say u shoot and it hits a branch 2 feet infront of you or u gotta shoot through a shrub well the big loud noice combinged with the big orange tree might give it away

Or if you just shoot more pbballs the less likely they are to all hit a branch.

[yakitori]

no. I dont use sights. I only use the sights that came on my tippmann occasionally. Thats if the person Im shooting at didnt notice I was there. Most of the time I aim down the side of my gun w/ both eyes. Closing one eye to aim limits your view of the field by 50%. and if you are right handed, you cannot see the whole left side of the field.

[Squidly]

Scopes make sense with real guns that fire bullets on a regular, flat trajectory for long distances. You can't see bullets fly with the naked eye, and the rate of fire for civilian guns is such that you can't walk the ammo to the target.

You can see paintballs fly, their trajectory isn't flat (ignore the flatline barrel for the moment), and you can put up streams of paintballs into the air with fast semi-auto fire.

Just fire the gun and make adjustments to your aim as necessary. If your first shot is too low, aim up a bit. In about 1 second you can walk 6 shots at your target in the time it would've taken to get your eye on the scope and fire one.

And the scope assumes a flat trajectory. Anything beyond a short distance shot and what you see in the scope is NOT what you're going to be hitting when you shoot.

[thesoak]

look i dont know how inacurate you guns are but ife been far away from someone they didnt see me i saw them i took a fraction of a second to aim hit 3 quick shots and hit them 2 times


i dotn know how many times i see people shooting like a lunitic and wile they are blasting oof rounds im simply layingon the ground and they miss 30+ shots b34 they realize i shot them in the face


if when u see a paintball fly by you you crap your shorts then thats your fault imm walk right into a firefight and cap ppl



ice lost my fiar share of games but usually the one firign like a fool loses expecially in woodsball



i play woods ball no interest to play anythign else do not birng you non woodsball tactics in here anyone who uses a sight out of woods ball isnt that smart


in speed ball airball w/e there is not time cuz most of the time it is a gun perched on a ledge firing like mad


in those types of games the gun is hit most why because they do not aim


but yet they make a case of paint last 15 minutes when i cna make it last 3 weeks


ill get more kills
yhoull waste more money

ive played many of thses 10+bps players and i always win

why bacsue they are not securing then gun when then shoot unlike me


who cares anyway


i dont even use a scope anymore i use the stock sights

[Squidly]

It's becoming evident that you're one of those posters who likes to spew a lot of words only for the sake of hearing himself talk.

[hambone]

thesoak is on the way to bannation anyways from a look at his previous post in his f-bomb the search thread
....

Anyways I have a scope and i will take all the abuse i recieve for having it...simply because i do not use it for aiming..I use my scope to scour the field before advancing. I take cover observe my surounding, advance and repeat.

other than that cosmetics has something to do with owning one but mainly it is part of my strategy.

[bigxonbox]

anyone who uses a 98c for speedball isnt that bright
wow I love using my 98c for speedball. I like how fast it is and everything.
Fine go ahead use your impulse, cockers, what not I like em too but I don't have the money for it and I love my 98c anyway so leave it out.
Fine if you are going to play by aiming using as least amount of paitn possible buy a pump. I've seen pumps light up more then aim. They aim a bit more but still. Just learn how to use coordination and you could have more balls in the fraction of a second it takes to aim to hit the target.
If you like sights use them. If you just scope out how to advance seeing further, in the woods its fine. For a ball i think its more or less pointless.
good day

[paintbuster]

I use a BSA 30mm Red Dot for my Tippmann m98. No, I can't look down it due to the CAR Stock being in the way, but it mainly just there for looks. When I play speedball, the scope,stock and some other goodies are removed. I need to be able to move around much easier. I got mine at Wal-Mart for $29.99, but again it's for LOOKS only.

[Satanicsanta090]

i got the same sight the 30 mm bsa red dot at walmart for 30 bucks. IT has no magnification because paintball needs no magnification; it doesnt shoot that far. I can see down it fine and i dont plan on getting a flimsy car stock. the sight looks awesome on ur gun and when you get it tuned, serves you well in cqb or when you have time to aim at a person and he dont see u. I dont really use it that much but it helps in woodsball when you get in close quarters (if you just want to be a "sniper" in woodsball forget it you cant snipe in 20 minutes and walk between games in a ghillie) THe only prob i found with the site is that you have to file down the front rod on the bottom where it touches your gun (there are two rods with threads on the end for the thingies thatscrew in ur dovetail mount) or it aims too high. Also, i had to get a lapco direct feed and an elbow to see the site without the tippmann elbow getting in the way. As for tunnel vision, I dont scope people out with this, when i look for the opposing team i look without the sight. I just use it as an aiming aid in close to medium range. At far range this thing also helps you get your paintballs through all the tree branches. Get a red dot if youre serious about woodsball or scenario and want an aiming aid for close to medium range. For speedball, it wont be much use.

[paintbuster]

But I like my stock! :bawling:

I'd never get rid of it, yes I know it's a fricken alot of money, BUT as you said for peeps who like woodsball (alot) or scenerio games than yea get it, but if not don't waste ur money. The REAL AR-15 CAR Stock is only $30!!! Half the price of the tippmann one. If you find a way to put the real one onto a tippmann let me know. Otherwise, mine was worth every penny.


My Setup:

Tippmann 98c SWEET Desert Camo painted.

16" Armson Stealth w/silencer

30mm BSA Red Dot

Tippmann CAR Stock w/veolocity adjuster

Remote coil

and other crap. hehe

[Caleb98]

I love the stock sight on my 98, I learned to compensate for the stock barrel so I could hit stuff 60+ feet away with the stock barrel...That's pretty good!

[spoon's66]

Originally posted by thesoak
there you go throwin insults again why dont you jsut shut your flesh rod hole and understand when someone is playing woodsball in brush chancesa are you might not make it to him without balls exploding on a branch so take your time


lets say u shoot and it hits a branch 2 feet infront of you or u gotta shoot through a shrub well the big loud noice combinged with the big orange tree might give it away

hey my friend thats what silencers are for... but dont get into that. . . . wait please do because i want this thread to close simply because it is plain out retarded stating the same thing over and over again, its just like the debate on snipers. is there such thing or not... please dont get into that ither. But what im saying is that scopes are a preferace. dont make fun of someone for having a scope because they may be the one getting you out. Hell even I have a scope. and a stock. which i take off before the actual games begin. but i like the scopes for the looks.

And as for waisting paint. if your realy that anal about one shot... play airsoft.

[Ultran00b]

Well I had a car stock on my m98, I took it off because it did nothing for me. I run a coiled remote, with a 16oz tank held on my back by my old army LBV.

The remote line coupled with my X-chamber and a good paint/barrel ratio mean my shots are on target most the time, with consistant co2 use.

Personally, a scope and stock on a paintball seem silly to me, and I've got years of army experience on m-16's as well as ar-15's...but it's all up to the individual player.

Just practising my target aquisition, and response time on putting a ball down range seem to be working out well, and I'm a paint miser...I'll take the extra fraction of time to put the ball where I want it, vs spray and pray...though suppressive fire with buddies flanking a target is an exception.

One thing to keep in mind is the comfort zone of the shooter...if you feel you are a better shot with a stock and scope, chances are that you ARE a better shot with it...confidence in your own abilities is half the battle, as it were.

Sure, I catch silly cat-calls from the kids in their dye gear, slide pants what-not...and there I am in my old army junk, looking like a third-world insurgent...but I feel confident in my gear that has seen and survived real combat.

Do whatever feels right, and paint the nay-sayers is my motto of late.

[ghilliesnipe]

I use a 3x 32mm scope with my flatline and can hit a soda can (or very close to it) first shot most of the time from 100 feet away. I can not do that with my f4 Illustrator even though the shot groups on the illustrator are smaller. A scope or other sight appears to be a crutch for those (myself included) who do not have the skill to take aimed shots while looking down the side of their barrel. Scopes do work, I just don't think they are necessary once your shooting skill is better. They are poor for snap shooting though because it takes a second to aquire the target. They do not totally create tunnel vision though once you learn how to use them. I can look through my scope with both eyes open and see both my target through the scope and my left eye view at the same time. It is a matter of preference and what kind of game you play.