Cocker or Tippy

[Korndog]

This is an offset of the thread "wha from cocker 2 tippy" and people there keep argueing about the same thing over and over again so to solve this problem please vote here wether u think cocker is better then tippy or tippy is better then cocker.

this is to simply solve a debate, so vote and we will see whos the best.

[[Infusion]BigC]

That's a question?

[I.A.O.A.B]

Originally posted by [Infusion]BigC
That's a question?


Seriously, I have a tippmann and i know that a cocker is way better:laugh:

[Korndog]

this is only a thread to stop the foolish arguement between comando and "others"

i know that cockers are better then tippys

[I.A.O.A.B]

Originally posted by Korndog
this is only a thread to stop the foolish arguement between comando and "others"

i know that cockers are better then tippys

Oh, i got it.... but isnt commando gonna come over here and cause hell?:confused:

[penguins_r_kewl]

OMFG quit with these *** threads.

[Korndog]

Originally posted by penguins_r_kewl
OMFG quit with these *** threads.


hey moron this is to prove a point so shut up and go spam somebody elses thread.

[Korndog]

Originally posted by I.A.O.A.B


Oh, i got it.... but isnt commando gonna come over here and cause hell?:confused:


probably

[Kowz_76]

Why do we need spin off threads of already pointless threads. Yes, commando is a moron, we all know that. The only thing the tippy has going for it is the fact that you can beat them to hell and they still work fine.

[andrew 2589]

Originally posted by penguins_r_kewl
OMFG quit with these *** threads.


:nod:


anyways beauty is in the eye of the beholder

[levi333]

These threads are pointless.
How does this prove to anyone, anything?
Its all the opinion of some so-called paintballers on the internet.

[[Infusion]BigC]

lol, someone said tippmann!

[comando345]

Again, bandwagon fallacy. "my buddies agree with me so im right"

[[Infusion]BigC]

Originally posted by comando345
Again, bandwagon fallacy. "my buddies agree with me so im right"

Hey Commando, remember the other day when you asked my what the definition of immaturaty was and I said it is mostly the inability to admit when your wrong?

Yeah, I'm glad we had that talk.

[comando345]

Originally posted by [Infusion]BigC


Hey Commando, remember the other day when you asked my what the definition of immaturaty was and I said it is mostly the inability to admit when your wrong?

Yeah, I'm glad we had that talk.

I never asked you that, and your sarcasm is dry. So heres an actual question from me to you, What is a Bandwagon Fallacy?

Read a book!

[Korndog]

Originally posted by levi333
These threads are pointless.
How does this prove to anyone, anything?
Its all the opinion of some so-called paintballers on the internet.

yes we are trying to prove something to comando, next time read the first post before you make ur self look like an idiot.

[VegetablHomicid]

HaHa :laugh: you spelled Tippman wrong. Not Tippaman Korndog! And may I refrain in this thread, IT IS NOT FAIR TO COMPARE A $120 GUN TO A $300+ GUN!!!! For the price I have to say hands down Tippman, for the performance, Cocker (Talking completely stock here). Simple as that. But for the money dumped into both guns you can make a Tippman a lot more closer in performance to a Cocker.

[CapnCrunch]

Originally posted by VegetablHomicid
HaHa :laugh: you spelled Tippman wrong. Not Tippaman Korndog! And may I refrain in this thread, IT IS NOT FAIR TO COMPARE A $120 GUN TO A $300+ GUN!!!! For the price I have to say hands down Tippman, for the performance, Cocker (Talking completely stock here). Simple as that. But for the money dumped into both guns you can make a Tippman a lot more closer in performance to a Cocker.

You can do anything you want to a Tippmann and a stock cocker will still pwn it.

[Kowz_76]

Wow, you're simply a moron. If you think that all of us are on this "bandwagon fallacy" about the fact that cockers are nice guns then you need natural selection to take effect. Hybrid Sniper did a good comparison of the two guns. I have yet to see you respond to that.

[Korndog]

Originally posted by VegetablHomicid
HaHa :laugh: you spelled Tippman wrong. Not Tippaman Korndog! And may I refrain in this thread, IT IS NOT FAIR TO COMPARE A $120 GUN TO A $300+ GUN!!!! For the price I have to say hands down Tippman, for the performance, Cocker (Talking completely stock here). Simple as that. But for the money dumped into both guns you can make a Tippman a lot more closer in performance to a Cocker.


my bad, oh and im not the one comparing them, comando is.

[VegetablHomicid]

I don't know I have seen some really tight Tippmans... Also check it out, I do believe team Tippman has beaten Cocker teams before. That really doesn't say a lot about the gun, it could have been the people but it is something to be considered. Odds are the guns had to be close in performance or the Tipps would have been walked on.

[Korndog]

hey comando its cockers over tippmanns 8 to 3 so far

[I.A.O.A.B]

Originally posted by Kowz_76
Wow, you're simply a moron. If you think that all of us are on this "bandwagon fallacy" about the fact that cockers are nice guns then you need natural selection to take effect. Hybrid Sniper did a good comparison of the two guns. I have yet to see you respond to that.

Wait, who are you talking to?:confused: :eyes:

[[Infusion]BigC]

Originally posted by comando345


I never asked you that, and your sarcasm is dry. So heres an actual question from me to you, What is a Bandwagon Fallacy?

Read a book!

Hahahaha, I read lots of books.

In fact, last I checked you knew nothing about my reading habits, or about anything I do or stand for.

Do not judge my character without having first very specific knowledge on the subject you speak.

You think of yourself very highly don't you "commando"?

You seem to believe that you already know everything about everything. Or least you talk like you believe so, and that is enough.

In fact, you seem so angry that you keep getting proven wrong that your blind to the fact that your wrong at all.

So you resort to futal attempts at making others feel as if they are far below you in the spectrum of knowledge.

Maybe your smart, I do not know enough about you to say. Maybe your just a teenage kid who found a dictionary. Who's to say?

What I do know for sure, is that you have proven yourself to be an impressively immature personality, who passes judgement on things and people he doesn't know. He makes statements he cannot backup and often makes comments using words and phrases that he has deemed above the heads of those he is speaking too in an attempt to proove his superior intellect.

Well, I honestly can't say what supposed BandWagon Fallacy your referring too. Please enlighten us. Certainly you can point out what trend you refer to, or what incorrect notion it is related too?

Please commando, I'm begging you to make me stop stomping on your pride. Just take whatever scrap of it you have left, and end this pointless wreck of dialog that I'm not even sure I should bother calling an "arguement". You have been proven wrong. Do us all a favor and accept that.

[VegetablHomicid]

Clear things up real fast, which cocker are we talking about here?

[I.A.O.A.B]

Originally posted by [Infusion]BigC


Hahahaha, I read lots of books.

In fact, last I checked you knew nothing about my reading habits, or about anything I do or stand for.

Do not judge my character without having first very specific knowledge on the subject you speak.

You think of yourself very highly don't you "commando"?

You seem to believe that you already know everything about everything. Or least you talk like you believe so, and that is enough.

In fact, you seem so angry that you keep getting proven wrong that your blind to the fact that your wrong at all.

So you resort to futal attempts at making others feel as if they are far below you in the spectrum of knowledge.

Maybe your smart, I do not know enough about you to say. Maybe your just a teenage kid who found a dictionary. Who's to say?

What I do know for sure, is that you have proven yourself to be an impressively immature personality, who passes judgement on things and people he doesn't know. He makes statements he cannot backup and often makes comments using words and phrases that he has deemed above the heads of those he is speaking too in an attempt to proove his superior intellect.

Well, I honestly can't say what supposed BandWagon Fallacy your referring too. Please enlighten us. Certainly you can point out what trend you refer to, or what incorrect notion it is related too?

Please commando, I'm begging you to make me stop stomping on your pride. Just take whatever scrap of it you have left, and end this pointless wreck of dialog that I'm not even sure I should bother calling an "arguement". You have been proven wrong. Do us all a favor and accept that.

Right on!:P

[VegetablHomicid]

Stop attacking the people! Argue about something productive like lets say... What is better, a cocker or a tippman? (Please facts no opinions)

[amzng_spyderman]

cocker. no doubt.

1) they're not a mile long
2) very few non-stock cockers look the same
3) they're extremely efficient
4) they have very little kick
5) back block
6) they're not rifle wannabes
7) they have the single best electronic grip kit available

stick an e-blade on a stock cocker, no tippmann in the world can touch it. debate over. cocker wins.

[VegetablHomicid]

price factor

[E r y k]

Originally posted by amzng_spyderman
cocker. no doubt.

1) they're not a mile long
2) very few non-stock cockers look the same
3) they're extremely efficient
4) they have very little kick
5) back block
6) they're not rifle wannabes
7) they have the single best electronic grip kit available

stick an e-blade on a stock cocker, no tippmann in the world can touch it. debate over. cocker wins.

providing you have the cash to do all that.

[VegetablHomicid]

Yeah if you are a teenager odds are you can't afford a cocker and tippman is the only option. And I have seen many cases of a guy with a tipp taking down a cocker. I believe the main differences between the guns are the price and the regulators.

[AR55 MtM]

what kind of poll is this its like asking to choose between a talon or an DM4 wait that is a hard decision I think ill take the talon :rolleyes:

[VegetablHomicid]

Haha not really. A team of Tippmans can actually compete with a team Cockers. In your case there is no contest.

[amzng_spyderman]

if the naughty dawgs owned everybody back when they had cockers, what makes you think tippmann effect would do any better?

cockers > tippmann

[hybrid-sniper]

Heres part of my little rant from the other thread.

Originally posted by hybrid-sniper

Plus some other points to add
Tippmanns = gas hogs
Tippmanns = savage kick
Tippmanns = long trigger pull
Tippmanns = Loooooong guns
Tippmanns = bad blow back
Tippmanns = no eyes

Cockers = super efficient
Cockers = Close to no kick
Cockers = Short pull mech, super short pull with eblade
Cockers = Pretty short, can be even shorter when midgeted or turtled
Cockers = not to bad blow back, with good bolt blow back is unheard of
Cockers = Anti chop bolts available for mechs, reflective eyes for eblade


This coming from a tippmann owner

Cockers are far superior to tippmanns.

[Korndog]

Originally posted by VegetablHomicid
Clear things up real fast, which cocker are we talking about here?


pretty much all cockers in general

[penguins_r_kewl]

People beating cocker owners with tippys doens't mean anything, back when I had my spyder I use to kill people with $1200 angels(still do with my Omen;) ) with my $100 spyder, just because I beat somebody with a gun that was 1/12 the price of theirs doens't mean it compares to it.

[MunkyFuzz]

Jeez you guys are still arguing about this? Cocker wins hands down.

We win.

You lose.

BUY A COCKER!!

[CapnCrunch]

Originally posted by VegetablHomicid
price factor


There is no price factor. We're comparing the performance of a Tippy to a Cocker. Plus, there isn't that big of a difference, just about 150 dollars.

Put on any upgrades you want on a tippy for a 150 dollars, and compare it to a stock cocker, and the cocker will still perform and feel better.

[Korndog]

:eek: cocker is killing tippy 19 to 5

[VegetablHomicid]

When I say price factor I mean the stock cost. Not many entry level players can afford a cocker. So the best alternative is a Tippman. By the way the cocker is more than double the price of the Tippman. Is it really worth the extra money for the performance if you are not a serious tournament player? The Tippman I think might be better for backyard brush playing.

[amzng_spyderman]

cockers nearly outnumber tippmanns at my rec woodsball field. if i give away my mech to a local and another guy buys one, we'll be tied.

[VegetablHomicid]

Yeah the cockers may out perform but for the price if you are just gonna be messing around once in a while it may be a better choice to go with a Tippman.

[I.A.O.A.B]

Doesnt any body know how to spell "TIPPMANN"? holy crap man:rolleyes:

[VegetablHomicid]

Haha true no one does it seems. I just drop the n because I don't really care. I saw someone spell it Tipaman

[I.A.O.A.B]

Originally posted by VegetablHomicid
Haha true no one does it seems. I just drop the n because I don't really care. I saw someone spell it Tipaman

Ouch, Tipaman, thats interesting:laugh:

[VegetablHomicid]

Yeah that gave me a good laugh. Check out 888 paintballs 2002 winter catalog. They couldn't spell angel and spelled it angle on every single one!

[$horT_$trokE]

Yeah if you are a teenager odds are you can't afford a cocker and tippman is the only option. And I have seen many cases of a guy with a tipp taking down a cocker. I believe the main differences between the guns are the price and the regulators.

SO... if I shoot someone with a phantom and he happens to have a matrix, my phantom outperforms his matrix?

Price and regs are the difference? Do you know ANYTHING about how either gun works? Guess not...

Yeah, the main differences between my Honda and a Ferrari are the tires and warranty.

[E r y k]

Originally posted by Korndog
:eek: cocker is killing tippy 19 to 5

dude, what do you expect... its like comparing apples and oranges... err... more like a HUGE apple and a little apple...

of course you want the bigger one...

comparing a 350 dollar gun to a 120 is pretty dumb... anyhow, i hope you got your answer in the multiple threads you have created asking mostly the same thig.

[VegetablHomicid]

Woe Woe.... I am just generalizing don't piss your pants. And for your information I do understand guns a little, I learned CAD and am having a machine shop custom make a gun (don't know if it is gonna work yet:D ) And I am not trying to start a fire fight with someone just state the facts. I am just saying that the player matters more than the gun anyways.

[Korndog]

Originally posted by E r y k


dude, what do you expect... its like comparing apples and oranges... err... more like a HUGE apple and a little apple...

of course you want the bigger one...

comparing a 350 dollar gun to a 120 is pretty dumb... anyhow, i hope you got your answer in the multiple threads you have created asking mostly the same thig.



what a freakin duck, LIKE I SAID BEFORE THIS IS TO PROVE A POINT TO COMANDO

[I.A.O.A.B]

Originally posted by Korndog




what a freakin duck, LIKE I SAID BEFORE THIS IS TO PROVE A POINT TO COMANDO

Yep, he's got a point

[CapnCrunch]

Originally posted by VegetablHomicid
Woe Woe.... I am just generalizing don't piss your pants. And for your information I do understand guns a little, I learned CAD and am having a machine shop custom make a gun (don't know if it is gonna work yet:D ) And I am not trying to start a fire fight with someone just state the facts. I am just saying that the player matters more than the gun anyways.

Yes, but basically the only way a cocker is similar to the operation of a tippy is that a ball that goes out the barrel. Cockers are basically just pumps that have pneumatics to "pump" the gun. So you can say you understand "guns" but that doesn't mean you know the least bit about a cocker.

[SpUnKy-BoLtOn]

Originally posted by comando345


I never asked you that, and your sarcasm is dry. So heres an actual question from me to you, What is a Bandwagon Fallacy?

Read a book!

the bandwagon fallacy is all you've been talking about in your last 200 damn posts.

[Infiltrator]

He is also using the 3 green suitcase fallacy. He see's three people with green suitcases and assumes most of the people in the world has a green suitcase.

Don't forget that, according to comando, autocockers are really expensive low end garbage. Nevermind that my autococker doesn't know what an airsmith looks like. Maybe autocockers are alot like Herbie. Herbie likes people that are kind to it. The car will help you win the race if it likes you. If you are mean-spirited toward herbie, he just might break down on you.

[Omegaboy13]

A Tippman will almost never break on you.

[Korndog]

Originally posted by Infiltrator
He is also using the 3 green suitcase fallacy. He see's three people with green suitcases and assumes most of the people in the world has a green suitcase.


wha!!!!!:eyes:

never heard of that one

[Infiltrator]

Actually I don't know what the fallacy was called. The last time I did english was 4 years ago. It was just an example of it.

[acdave]

OMFG this is the stupidest thread in exisitence.BTW im in a spamy mood today

[GreatKill]

People keep saying that Tippmanns need no maintenance (spelling ?), but this is not a good thing in some ways. If you were a mother bird raising young, you would need to protect them, but still expose them so they know the real world (bad analogy :) ). If you give a newb a Tippmann, they will never learn the true way to maintain a gun properly, which means they will be blown away by the complexity of the higher end markers. Get something somewhat in the middle or closer to simplicity, like a Spyder. I believe I got this basic idea from Cuervo's sticky about Spyders vs. Tippmanns. Just my 2 cents :) .

[bad_brad]

we dont need to prove a point to commando, he's just an uptight pile of dung that wants to stand out from the crowd by saying "LOOK AT ME I THINK TIPPY'S ARE BETTER THAN AUTOCOCKERS!!!HOORAY FOR ME I'M AN INDIVIDUAL!!" pfft. 'cocker pwn tippy's neday.

[Ghost2867]

DAMNIT...I MISSED THE BEGINNING OF ANOTHER GOOD DEBATE THREAD...im getting pissed...

so...are we comparing stock vs stock, or upped tippman vs stock...stock cocker, or upped tippman vs upped cocker or stock tippman vs upped cocker?

stock vs stock : cocker owns.

upped tippman vs stock...stock cocker: tippman(with the rite upps)

stock tippman vs upped cocker: do i even need to say?

upped tippman vs upped cocker: umm...honestly, at this point, it truly does depend on personal preference.

everything up above(except hte upped cocker vs stock tippy) is dependant on personal preference to quite a considerable extent...just saying...

[firekow]

http://www.tippmann.com/proshop/image/psgallery/98nitro.jpg
VS
http://www.armyoforr.com/images/Autocockers/E_Orracle/Red_Black_Big.jpg


and...


http://www.tippmann.com/proshop/image/psgallery/98e.jpg
VS
http://www.armyoforr.com/images/karnivorblk.jpg

The 2 best factory 'cockers VS the 2 best factory tippmanns. I don't know a hell of a lot about tippmanns, I just picked the 2 tied for most expensive. If I'm wrong with the 2 best factory tippys, feel free to correct. Otherwise, I think you know where my vote rests for each.

[Yakb0]

different guns for different players.

I'd take a Cocker, but giving one to my friend would just be a disaster

today was the first time he played this year...his gun has sat in his house with no maintaince or lubrication since last year, he doesn't care about ROF, barrel/paint match, etc. so a Tippy is a MUCH better choice for him.

[Ghost2867]

we're not comparing players like that rite now tho...

we're comparing guns.

it always goes to personal preference...however, i cant imagine anyone that would take a tippy over a karni tho...