Please help!!!

[Kei]

Hi i'm the new kid and i was wondering: what should i do i have a modle 98 (Not costem:( ) and i want to snipe but there is no way i could afford the flatline barrle (it coasts more than i payed for the gun!). what are my options?

[Xcalibur104]

Check the barrel reviews. You should be able to find a good barrel for an M98.

[TippyClassic]

get a scope, a ghillie suit, and a 21 inch sniper barrel!!! Then nobody could stop you!!!!!

If you want a quiet barrel, i recomend a nyte stikk (decent barrel, EXTREMELY quiet.) If quiet doesn't matter to you a whole lot, then id go with a CP 1 piece, lapco bigshot, j&j ceramic....they cost about $50

But, in all honesty, you can't snipe in paintball...

[Coenen]

You could get a used Flatline for $50ish with no problem. Otherwise stick with Lapco and Custom Products barrels they are hard to go wrong with.

[Xcalibur104]

The Lapco Bigshot would be a good choice.

[Satanicsanta090]

Dont take tippyclassic's first statement to heart. He was being sarcastic (since youre new i thought you might not know) A 21 inch barrel will do nothing but get in your way and waste gas, and be innacurate. IT adds frictoin to the paintball and takes more gas to force it thru making it less efficient. Also, it would get in the way and be impractical. The ideal size for accuracy would be 12 inches but 14 inches is nice for pushing into bunkers and pushing thru soft cover to shoot (like bushes) in woodsball. Anything more than 14 is just a waste of gas and too long to be versatile and it wont add accuracy. A scope is a no-no:finger: cuz more range in paintball comes from aiming higher not scoping or watever. A realistic aiming aid would be a red dot site (i personally like them a lot and they are helpful once you get them tuned) My bsa optics site required a little filing and a direct feed to get a clear site picture a total of like 60 bucks so i wouldnt reccomend it to a noob (no offense). A ghillie is hot like crap and its heavy you cant move in it. The only way ur gonna "snipe" is if you get into a ghillie and go into scenario games (normal games are too short) and get ur gun camoed up good too. Then you can use concealment and cover to your advantage to suprise the opposing team but dont expect to really snipe ppl from afar. All paintball guns have the same range cuz of the fps regulations. So in reality, there are no snipers in paintball. They are just people who believe more in stealth, intimidation, and concealment.

[Satanicsanta090]

nice equiptment would be some gun ghillie or a camo paintjob. (I believe camoing your gun is stickied if not do a search, the take a bite out of crime dude made a great article) Good barrels are te CP one piece, Lapco Bigshot and they are cheap at www.countypaintball.com. Save up for a regulator and a antisiphon to make you shots count and be more accurate (expansion chambers dont cut it for consistency) the female palmer stabilizer is a great choice and the cheapest for its excellent quality (it is the best reg for co2) it is at www.countypaintball.com too and requires mounting rings reg it is 85 bucks all together but its great.
www.webdogradio.us is a great video site for new ppl.
Hope all this helps

[Kei]

sorry i used the wrong termanolagy. i didn't mean snipe in the sence of out ranging the opponent. i ment to have extrem acuerate.


thank you for your geat advice!:)

[bigxonbox]

The ideal size for accuracy would be 12 inches but 14 inches is nice for pushing into bunkers and pushing thru soft cover to shoot (like bushes) in woodsball.

Actually I believe that is stickied too in the paint and barrels forum. I have read about 8" is what gives the barrel its accuracy. Thats why lapco makes their small barrel (7.5ish? .5 isn't a big difference anyway) 12-14" is nice because its easier to aim down the barrel and push brush out of the way. 16" I think is just way too big. I kind of wish my barrel was smaller though. Since your new to the game try a 12" or 14" to get used to it then maybe buy a smaller one, when you get better accuracy. Cp, lapco, j&j, and i believe dye excel are the best barrels for the money.
-- If you are sneaky, and quite you can go around people and bunker then when their waiting for you in one place in the woods. Or if your fast you could be good at speedball. Since your going to play paintball expect alot of money towards it, and a job or generous parents. One day of paintball can be 50ish$

[swiftwing7]

everybody wants to be a "sniper" when they start playing. the real definition of paintball sniper is different than you see in the movies. Its not a gun. My advice is just play, play a few games before you decide what you must spend your money on. buy upgrades that will match your playing style and what you want to do. you might buy a normal barrel and discover later you wanted a flatline or vice versa. so just play and get some experience before you go rushing into everything a t a million miles per hour.

[Xcalibur104]

Originally posted by swiftwing7
everybody wants to be a "sniper" when they start playing. the real definition of paintball sniper is different than you see in the movies. Its not a gun. My advice is just play, play a few games before you decide what you must spend your money on. buy upgrades that will match your playing style and what you want to do. you might buy a normal barrel and discover later you wanted a flatline or vice versa. so just play and get some experience before you go rushing into everything a t a million miles per hour.

Most don't realize it's impossible to "snipe" in paintball.

[swiftwing7]

exactly and a lot of newbies are duped into buying dumb things like the 98c sniper package. newbs see it and think it is a special gun jsut for sniping. they don't know what sniping is in paintball becasue theyve never played. search sniper you'll get tons of crap

[rrrrrrrrr]

I'd recommed the J&J its quiet accurate and the self-cleaning system works. Also you might want to look into some sort of sight or scope perferably a sight their are some nice ones for less than $30. But you have to realize that paintball guns arnt really accurate. So I would recomend a mid price barrel and a inexpensive sight :) also another thing to think about do you play woods or speedball? If you play speedball then you shouldn't get sniper upgrades, maybe a double trigger or RT. But if you play woods then you should get the sniper upgrades listed ubuv.

[ghilliesnipe]

Ok
Sniping is impossible in speedball type games. In some scenario games and in most woodsball type games and fields, sniping is possible.
The only way to get extra range out of a paintball is to have a flatline barrel (magnus effect), but you will lose some shot precision(not necessarily accuracy unless you are good). Meaning, if put your gun in a vise with a flatline and shot it would make a larger shot group than a good straight barrel that doesn't give you the "magnus effect"(look it up). The plus side is it would give you a nice flat trajectory where a low power wide lense scope or red dot scope would work very well and once dialled in would work for 200 feet, the flat trajectory range of a flatline barrel. At ranges beyond 100 feet, you start to really notice the loss of precision compared to other barrels. Since you are a newbie though, you will be able to make your first shots count with a flatline and scope and be one shot one kill accurate up to 100 feet (my 11 year old inexperienced nephew was able to do it). A good shooter with any straight barrel can easily duplicate this though.
If you could find a flatline for $50, I would be suprized.

You can be a sniper with any barrel in the right game, but I think a flatline barrel improves accuracy for a newbie.

I'm a bit hammered so I hope this post isn't too off topic.

[GreatKill]

Originally posted by ghilliesnipe
Ok
Sniping is impossible in speedball type games. In some scenario games and in most woodsball type games and fields, sniping is possible. Sniping=Camping. If you really want to be effective, go out there actually try to get someone out, don't just sit there.
The only way to get extra range out of a paintball is to have a flatline barrel (magnus effect), but you will lose some shot precision(not necessarily accuracy unless you are good). Not true, a Paint/Barrel Match will get you a decent amount of extra range.
Meaning, if put your gun in a vise with a flatline and shot it would make a larger shot group than a good straight barrel that doesn't give you the "magnus effect"(look it up). The plus side is it would give you a nice flat trajectory where a low power wide lense scope or red dot scope would work very well and once dialled in would work for 200 feet, the flat trajectory range of a flatline barrel. At ranges beyond 100 feet, you start to really notice the loss of precision compared to other barrels. Since you are a newbie though, you will be able to make your first shots count with a flatline and scope and be one shot one kill accurate up to 100 feet (my 11 year old inexperienced nephew was able to do it). A good shooter with any straight barrel can easily duplicate this though.
If you could find a flatline for $50, I would be suprized. Get one used. It's not for everbody and many people wanted to try it out. The magic of ebay and froogle.

You can be a sniper with any barrel in the right game, but I think a flatline barrel improves accuracy for a newbie.

I'm a bit hammered so I hope this post isn't too off topic.

I haven't debated in a while, I would like to start something up :devil: , while kepping it clean :) .

[Coenen]

I seem to remember getting my Flaltine for $50 rather vividly, I gave the guy two twentys and a ten and he gave me a bent piece of pipe with some threads and a plastic shroud.

Anyway.

Paint to barrel match only effects you EFFECTIVE range. A ball traveling at 300fps from a .695 will go just as far from a .689 same velocity applied to same mass means same distance. Now, the ball that's fits better will have a more efficient shot as well as a more consistent trajectory and therefore a tighter grouping at longer range. This provides the illusion of longer range, but in truth, no one ball from either barrel, assuming the same velocity, traveled further.

You felt like arguing?

[Tippmann Owns]

sorry kid, but sniping like we all know it in the movies and video games just doesnt really happen in paintball. The paint doest carry far enough accurately enough. The closest you can get to a sniper is a nice pump gun, like a CCI phantom with a red dot. Een then, your range is relatively limited, and accuracy is nowhere close to a real rifle.

[GreatKill]

Originally posted by Coenen
Paint to barrel match only effects you EFFECTIVE range. A ball traveling at 300fps from a .695 will go just as far from a .689 same velocity applied to same mass means same distance. Now, the ball that's fits better will have a more efficient shot as well as a more consistent trajectory and therefore a tighter grouping at longer range. This provides the illusion of longer range, but in truth, no one ball from either barrel, assuming the same velocity, traveled further.

Correct, but the a ball with a smaller bore size than the barrel will easily have air surrounding it pass beyond the ball, so comparing the two ball sizes at a consistent velocity setting will show that the tigher match will prove to be a farther shot, or at least so with a barrel with no porting. The effective range is what maily matters when comparing two groupings, why would you want to shoot if the chance of succes is too low to compensate with. This, IMO, proves that in some cases, the Flatline is impractical.

When quoting Ghillie, I was responding to the fact that he said there is only one way to increase range.

It's good that I found an exellent debater :) .

[Coenen]

Test have proven that the air blast causing turbulence ahead of the ball is a flasehood, that BS Smart Parts gives about porting decreasing turbulence ahead of the ball isn't true. They have also proven that air will really only pass around the ball in two places assuming a decent match(after all the ball is more an ellipse than a sphere. The "air bearing" effect where the ball supposedly "floats" down the larger barrel with a cushion of air all around is also untrue.

The problem here is not size it is mass, if the balls are the same dimensions and mass and all variables save the barrel size have been isolated and they are both fired at the same velocity there is no reason for them not to travel the same distance. A ball going 285fps is going to go just as far as anyother ball fired on the same trajectory at 285fps. Perhaps it curves to the left or right but that ball will still travel the same distance.

Practically speaking paint to barrel match loses even more importance, sure at 125 or 150+ feet it makes a difference, but when was the last time you engaged someone at that range? Maybe it's just my playing style, but most of the serious firefights I get into take place at 75-100feet or less. Much farther than that, especially in the woods, and something will either be in the way or the ball won't break.

BTW you missed something when you went after ghilliesnipe:you will lose some shot precision(not necessarily accuracy unless you are good). He has those two reversed, presicion comes before accuracy. A 6 inch grouping is precise, a 6 inch grouping 12inches from the bullseye is still inaccurate. The key there is to start with prescision and adjust until it's accurate. How else do you think people with old style thread 98's and 98C's hit anything? most of our barrels are misaligned by the threads.

[E r y k]

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[ghilliesnipe]

Great.
I don't think I got the two reversed at all. Precision refers to shot grouping. Accuracy is the proximity of the shot group to the target which is another way of saying what Coenen said. " A 6 inch grouping is precise, a 6 inch grouping 12inches from the bullseye is still inaccurate. "


What I said was that the flatline reduces your precision beyond 70 feet and really becomes noticable at 100+ feet. With a flatline and a scope or other aiming device (dovetail or whatever) an untrained shooter (my 11 year old nephew) can get his shot groups to center around the target FROM THE VERY FIRST SHOT and therefore increases accuracy for the untrained shooter on the first few shots.

Do I need to explain this in a different way? Ultimately, a good shooter will be more accurate (even from the first shot) with a good straight barrel than an equally experienced flatline user using whatever aiming method they want.

One last thing, whether or not there are snipers in paintball depends on your definition of a sniper. I dont believe distance is a factor in defining a sniper. One shot-one kill and concealment are more important for sniping IMO.

[bigxonbox]

Right on. Looks like somebody did their homework
:agree:

[GreatKill]

Originally posted by ghilliesnipe
I dont believe distance is a factor in defining a sniper. One shot-one kill and concealment are more important for sniping IMO.

Well said, but wouldn't that apply to anybody who was conserving their shots?

[ghilliesnipe]

Kei, if you are still out there, go here www.pbsniper.com/Invision/
paintball sniper forum

and here
http://squeegie.proboards21.com/
OSOK one shot one kill paintball sniper board

You will find tons of info.
Search the Boards before posting questions

Happy hunting!!!



No offense, but I don't want to ramble on about paintball sniping.

[Kei]

everyone is saying that you can't snipe because of painball markers are too inacccurate. i was looking for an accurate barrle because some are going to be better than others. thanks for the advice. you guys made me chang my stratagy completly, i played a bit more and i measered the guns spread at 80 feet and lets say it suported what you said the spread was over half a foot!

thanks again:)

[Dye_Cocker_dude]

Originally posted by Kei
everyone is saying that you can't snipe because of painball markers are too inacccurate. i was looking for an accurate barrle because some are going to be better than others. thanks for the advice. you guys made me chang my stratagy completly, i played a bit more and i measered the guns spread at 80 feet and lets say it suported what you said the spread was over half a foot!

thanks again:) Well its not that they're inaccurate its the way a paintball flys. Paintball guns are plenty accurate but in the same general velocity range, they all shoot around the same general distance. Plus paintballs arc which is why the myth of being able to snipe with a scope is also bs

[1st god of war]

u can get dye boomstick or save up for a flat line... i would save for the flat line because it shoots really strait!