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toothpastedog
05-12-2004, 04:59 PM
-What is the right kind of hpa (nitro) tank for my impulse?

To answer that i will explain what tanks don't mix well with impulses. Any screw-in preset tank that is "low pressure" with an output of 600psi or less is not for an impulse. their output is not suited very well for the maxflo, which needs a 650-1000psi input to function at its best. so if you buy a tank, do not buy a "low pressure" nitro tank.

-But arn't adjustible tanks low pressure too/i though they were better?

They are only better because they, well, at least most of them, have a better flow that is also more consistant than the majority of preset screw-in tanks. also, just to specify this, the "adjustible" nitro tanks are not actually adjustible, but rather the regulator on them is, so when i say adjustible tank or screw-in preset tank, i am reffering to the reg on them. since adjustible tanks-like the maxflo 4500psi system-are adjustible, their output can be set to vertually any psi under 1000. with an impulse that has a maxflo reg on it, the best output for your tank is about 600psi.

-Do i have to use an on/off with my screw in tank?

No, if you don't want to spend the money you don't have to get one. they are only a safe guard-smart parts suggests using one because it makes it a lot harder to over pressureize the solenoid when you screw your tank in. again though considering the impulse doesn't comes with one means it is not nessisary, but like a new trigger and bolt, i do highly suggest buying one.

-I already have a low pressure screw in tank though, what can i do?

Well, if you don't want to spend any more money, it shouldn't be too much of a problem, but if you have the money it is a good idea to buy a new inline regulator. now since impulses run from 100-300psi (normally 125-200psi) you need a very consistant reg that also has very high flow.

What are some cool TPD suggested inline regs for my impulse that will work as well or better than my stock maxflo?

The Custom Products "Grip" inline regulator works very well, but since it doesn't have that high a flow rate, you should not buy this if you have a tank that has low flow-crossfire or pmi (although pmi tanks will vary). it also has a good msrp, retailing at about 70$

Akalmp's (now patented, ha, take that smart parts, ;) ) "Sidewinder" regulator is the BEST inline reg out there hands down. the only downside is its price, normally costing 90$

MacDev's new "04 Gladiator" work quite well also. This inline regulator has a higher flow than its predecessors and it is very adjustible/accurate (psi wise), while also being reliable. it normally costs 80$

Centerflag's "Hyperflow" inline reg works really well also. it has the highest flow of any reg out there and is also very accurate. it normally retails for about 80$

A newer reg to Palmer's "Fatty" regulator. This is the most reliable inline reg out there and has a good flow rate, while also being very consistant. at like 80$ it works great.

-Is it worth me buying a new tank with a "high pressure" output if i already have a lp tank?

Definitely not, a lp tank will work "fine." a new reg will make the gun work a little better and is something to consider.

-Are there any other reasons to buy a new inline regulator?

Yes, size a wieght. The stock maxflo is HUGE, ugly, and very heavey. My sidewinder doesn't just wieghts about1 1/3 as much as the stock maxflo, but is it also about half as tall, making my gun a lot shorter.

-What are some good tank brands?

Well, PE tanks seem to work well, as do Crossfires. My favorite tanks are anything made by Centerflag and Nitroduck though.

flynny
05-12-2004, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by toothpastedog
-What is the right kind of hpa (nitro) tank for my impulse?

To answer that i will explain what tanks don't mix well with impulses. Any screw-in preset tank that is "low pressure" with an output of 600psi or less is not for an impulse. their output is not suited very well for the maxflo, which needs a 650-1000psi input to function at its best. so if you buy a tank, do not buy a "low pressure" nitro tank.
thats not right i have a low pressure tank on my vert max-flo and it works fine it puts out 450-500 and it works great, they say that as long as the pressure is above 400 it will work fine not 650

toothpastedog
05-12-2004, 06:57 PM
right, i said it wasn't a big issue if you use a "low pressure tank" but you will get better performance with a tank that has an output of between 650-1000psi-i actually have done a test on that. the performance increase isn't that big, just a couple more shots/fill and a little bit more consistancy, the point of my writing this post is to inform people that if they are deciding between a high pressure and low pressure output tank to buy the high pressure output tank. again, you are right, a lp tank will work "fine" but a hp tank works better-i never said a lp tank will not work. i will edit my first post to make this more obvious.

SPPaintball
05-12-2004, 07:04 PM
I vote sidewinder . . . just watch you get a sticky on this, would this be your 4th sticky?:P

toothpastedog
05-12-2004, 07:08 PM
it would be my 6th sticky :D .

dilly man 2
11-17-2004, 04:20 PM
so what kind of tank should i get.?? i plan on buyin a impulse. so you recomend a on/off valve for tank, 800psi preset tank. i was looking at a ACI 68ci 4500psi tank preset at 800psi or around that with a on/off is that a good tank?
:paperbag:

toothpastedog
11-17-2004, 04:21 PM
that would be literally perfect

dilly man 2
11-17-2004, 04:23 PM
KOOL ur my hero. is aci a good tank i heard good things but since u know it all i thought id ask you thanks!!;)

toothpastedog
11-17-2004, 04:27 PM
yeh, they, on average, work very very very well

dilly man 2
11-17-2004, 04:39 PM
what is the best internal configuration??? i want a light delrin bolt, but then will i need a heavier brass hammer? i also want that 87$$ upgrade lol i dont know the name of it but i read about it and theres better air iffecentcy right??.. i dont know how to spell! or what do you think the best inernal combo in your opinion. like what bolt with what hammer with what other internal. TY

toothpastedog
11-17-2004, 04:59 PM
Stubby Equalizer Bolt
Stock Aluminum hammer
RIP valve
Silk Shot Ram
WAS Equalizer Board
Titanium Bolt Pin
LPR Kit of VFF/HFV (doesn't matter, both would do the trick)

a SP lpr kit will cost about 87$, and if setup properly, it will give a stock impulse about 400 more shots per tank.

dilly man 2
11-17-2004, 05:09 PM
ty your are my savior, i will take all of this in mind!!

toothpastedog
11-17-2004, 08:21 PM
my pleasure

impypballer
11-18-2004, 02:27 PM
what is so bad about pmi tanks besides the leaking? (my gauge leaked when i first got it but that was easily fixed)Mine seems to work fine, but it's the only hpa tank i've had.

toothpastedog
11-18-2004, 03:35 PM
well, a tank leaking is not good, even if it is easily fixed...

TheUsualSuspect
12-19-2004, 04:02 PM
Some one told me you should have the max flow running at its highest pressure (screwed in all the way) and then adjust your velocity through your dwell settings... Does this work?

toothpastedog
12-19-2004, 04:15 PM
No, unless you have an lpr kit, which you don't seem to own, this is how YOU (it depend on your setup) should set your dwell/pressure:

Fine an impulse from 120psi-150psi that gives you minimum kick and feels good (150psi would be my choice, because it will give you better efficiency and a faster max rof-not that that matters thuogh), then set your dwell until the gun shoots 280-300fps. Don't set your maxflo to it's max output because that will most likely blow your prv and possible yuor solenoid.

The person who told you that was thinking about setting the lpr... just don't do anything he says :P

ikey
12-19-2004, 05:42 PM
well you said the sidewinder is the best, but if price is no factor i would go with the 2 lieter as the best (yeahs its small but im talking pure air flow and consistancy).

TheUsualSuspect
12-20-2004, 03:55 AM
With my Adrenalin with that confusing new chamber what should I have my maxflow at?

toothpastedog
12-20-2004, 07:31 AM
Originally posted by toothpastedog

Find an input from 120psi-150psi that gives you minimum kick and feels good (150psi would be my choice, because it will give you better efficiency and a faster max rof-not that that matters thuogh), then set your dwell until the gun shoots 280-300fps. Don't set your maxflo to it's max output because that will most likely blow your prv and possible yuor solenoid.

The person who told you that was thinking about setting the lpr... just don't do anything he says :P

What was that last bit?

And ikey, i believe i wrote that before the 2L came out...

Dr J
12-20-2004, 10:06 AM
AKA's Two Liter vert reg is my fav...
AKA's 2-Liter is the "Mystery Reg" (http://haveblue.org/dyno/5jun04dyno.jpg)

toothpastedog
12-20-2004, 12:57 PM
Not to mention the best there is, and when i wrote that the sidewinder was better, that was only because i wrote it before the 2L was releaced.

a good site to buy it of off is www.airsoldier.com

TheUsualSuspect
12-25-2004, 07:23 PM
Can you give me a list of the upgrades I still need for optimum performance out of my impulse an where a new reg would fall in the list?

toothpastedog
12-26-2004, 04:10 PM
This list is specific to your setup:

1-WAS Board
2-Rest Of the Freak Incerts
3-Silk Shot Ram
4-RIP Valve
5-New Reg
6-Ti Bolt Pin

Since you have a Dynaflow tank, you don't really need a reg at all, but having one definitely won't hurt. As you can see, it is the a very low priority though.

I also would not suggest getting an lpr kit, just because you would have to get it through Adrenaline, and AI's already get plunty of shots per tank. If you really want one though, it would come after the Rip Valve.

TheUsualSuspect
12-26-2004, 04:14 PM
I'm of to see the wizard the wonderful wizard of WAS...

ikey
12-26-2004, 04:29 PM
let me tell you that guy is the sh*t

TheUsualSuspect
12-26-2004, 04:53 PM
Ha! Your usualy so serious Ikey and then out of no where "that guy is the sh*t"

TheUsualSuspect
12-26-2004, 07:50 PM
I don't know if he's all THAT great there was this one time where he sold me some bad...





...Coffee beans?

I said the sidewinder 'cause I have no freaking clue what a two litre whatcha macllet it.

toothpastedog
12-26-2004, 10:01 PM
http://airsoldier.com/regulators/index.shtml

http://akalmp.com/regulators.htm

http://haveblue.org/dyno/5jun04dyno.jpg (it's the mystery reg)

Sidewinders are great too.

Well, WAS isn't the best, it is one of the best-the mini morlock is just as good, but a bit harder to install...

ikey
12-27-2004, 10:07 AM
well the 2 lieter is basically the best on gun paintball regulator ever conceived of by man, and its made my AKA (the same people that make sidewinders.)