What goes around, comes around.

[HurleyHero67]

http://www.flagpull.com/news.php

Came across this on AO. Pretty interesting. What will SP do next? Discuss!

[Ghost2867]

haha...poor stupid-as-hell SP...

this is interesting, but i dont think its really gonna change anything

[SpUnKy-BoLtOn]

and for the more simple minded individuals, this means what?

[HurleyHero67]

I like how instead of targeting all of the paintball world like SP did, WDP is only going after them. Playing the "good guy" card it sounds like. But who knows what will unfold.

Jeez, this is like a daytime soap :P

Spunky - SP is getting sued by WDP. That's the only thing I can confirm right now...I'm pretty sure it's over more electronic stuff. But this is very fresh news, nothing's for sure and we don't have any details. We'll just have to wait and see what happens..."WDP will give SP 20 days to respond before they take legal action"

[sir_paint]

SP will not respond, they will run like cowards and move to an island and sell markers to ape's:laugh:

[LAMANTEthePBguy]

WDP's patent links:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,311,682.WKU.&OS=PN/6,311,682&RS=PN/6,311,682
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,615,814.WKU.&OS=PN/6,615,814&RS=PN/6,615,814

It looks like issues with gripframes and more electronic stuff and "data links". Mabey LCD units as well.

[p41ntballjunkie]

ya know what.....SP just got royaly kicked in the nuts.....yay

ok now we need all that cool music and stuff...and dont forget disco balls....we need lotsa those....party time for some....not for smart parts tho.....shows them for being *******s

[amzng_spyderman]

Originally posted by p41ntballjunkie
yay

:tup:

[AR55 MtM]

hey maybe the emag might come back now.

[Downfall08]

This could be the best news I've heard all month. This just proves that WDP is one of the coolest companies ever. I now have to get an angel just because of this!! jk

[Forest Spyder]

This is why I love WDP.

They're gonna cram some mad **** up SP's collective asses.

[Blacksheep]

Good...this is excellent for the industry. Cut-throat competition is where the market is at, paintball is taking another step to the big time and stepping up to the plate and it looks like they just knocked one out of the ballpark.

Good job WDP and SP!

[Canadia_PBaller]

I have a few SP products, they're ok. I don't care what SP does, but they are getting what is coming to em'. Go WDP, and if I had the money.....I'd buy a Joy Angel.....who wants to give me one? My birthday is pretty close............please? :confused:

[static - xtra]

hot damn im happy you know what sp is about to get raped and pillaged you know what i wouldnt be supprised if the owner of wdp brought a thing of baby powder to the court just to show the ceo's of sp that he is not afraid toy pimp slap a ***** and then the owner of wdp is a brit so theres gona be an *** whooping

[I.A.O.A.B]

As they say in the UK.. tem' blu'y damn amer'ans, we go'n sue their aweses!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[bad_brad]

GO WDP!!! WEWT WEWT WEWT!!!!

[dog-of-Dislexia]

Originally posted by bad_brad
GO WDP!!! WEWT WEWT WEWT!!!!

SP gets... OWNED

[static - xtra]

i can just see the head lines now "owner of wdp jailed today for delivering an owning and ***** slap combo on the level that made the owner of sp go into a epelectic sezure and die "

[HurleyHero67]

Originally posted by AR55 MtM
hey maybe the emag might come back now.
SP was only icing on the cake, AGD was already going to discontinue the E-mag. Heavy and out of date. They're working on something else at this point, no reason to bring it back.

[can'tthink of1]

Emags still perform as good as other high-end electro's. They are great markers, and with ule parts they can weight the same os other markers. THey are really nice. But I guess they just got old, however people still want them (myself included)

I wonder if this will bring more supporters to wdp, and more people buying angels...

[paintballer42o]

Sp is always doing stupid stuff. Whats new?

[penguins_r_kewl]

Heh, I knew SP wouldn't get away with this.

I can't wait til the see their reactions when they get sued by the powerful K2.

[Canadia_PBaller]

Originally posted by penguins_r_kewl
Heh, I knew SP wouldn't get away with this.

I can't wait til the see their reactions when they get sued by the powerful K2.


Why would SP get sued by K2?

[penguins_r_kewl]

Cause they are sueing companys for copying autocockers.

Distributing Evalution X cockers was a stupid move for SP.

[Canadia_PBaller]

Originally posted by penguins_r_kewl
Cause they are sueing companys for copying autocockers.

Distributing Evalution X cockers was a stupid move for SP.


Evolution X cockers are made by Belsales, which are WGP certified.

[Ghost2867]

idiots, SP isnt gonna get completely screwed over here...

WDP isnt gonna be able to completely shut down SP, nor will they be able to seriously hurt any of SP's producing/manufacturing capabilities...in fact, i think that in a worst-case scenario, the prices on some of SP's products will go up.

[Canadia_PBaller]

Originally posted by Ghost2867
idiots, SP isnt gonna get completely screwed over here...

WDP isnt gonna be able to completely shut down SP, nor will they be able to seriously hurt any of SP's producing/manufacturing capabilities...in fact, i think that in a worst-case scenario, the prices on some of SP's products will go up.



OMG!! You mean they'll raise prices on their already exspensive items, so that fewer people will buy them!! GOOD GOD NOOOO!!! THE HORRORS!!!!

[Ghost2867]

Originally posted by Canadia_PBaller




OMG!! You mean they'll raise prices on their already exspensive items, so that fewer people will buy them!! GOOD GOD NOOOO!!! THE HORRORS!!!!
:laugh:

[Silentshot]

Originally posted by Ghost2867
idiots, SP isnt gonna get completely screwed over here...

WDP isnt gonna be able to completely shut down SP, nor will they be able to seriously hurt any of SP's producing/manufacturing capabilities...in fact, i think that in a worst-case scenario, the prices on some of SP's products will go up.

Who(besides dynasty f@gs and SP fanbois) ...honestly...wants an imp...or shocker... even at their current prices...

I'm waiting patiently on AGD, to see what they come up with. I want a VERY VERY fast mech.

[Ghost2867]

Originally posted by Silentshot


Who(besides dynasty f@gs and SP fanbois) ...honestly...wants an imp...or shocker... even at their current prices...

i want an imp and a shocker...

shockers are only 700, and 800 i believe with vision.

imps are 425, and 550 with vision.

those are very cheap prices.

im not an "SP fanboi", nor am i a "dynasty f@g"...in fact, i used to be one of those hardcore SP haters...

now im trying to be as unbiased as i can.

[cockerguy182]

its about time sp, got sued, plus i really like the angel fly 4, drool

[Kowz_76]

Who wants an imp when B2k4's are better?

I think at least from this Smart Parts will stop going around suing everyone.

[Danman69]

I wish paintball wasn't turning into a sport where people just sure the crap out of each other. I wish paintball companies would just stop the lawsuits.

[I.A.O.A.B]

Originally posted by Danman69
I wish paintball wasn't turning into a sport where people just sure the crap out of each other. I wish paintball companies would just stop the lawsuits.



YES, WE ALL NEED PEACE AND HARMONY!!!!


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Kowz_76]

SP needs to be taught a lesson first.

[SpUnKy-BoLtOn]

I hope this means AKA can make a comeback somehow.

And what exactly was SP violating?

[triggerhappy33]

An electronically controlled pneumatic paintball gun

does that inculde electonic cockers?

[Kowz_76]

Probably, although I doubt that WDP will persue WGP or Planet Eclipse or any other company for that matter. It sounds like they're kind of singling SP out.

[chinesebugrepel]

Originally posted by Silentshot
I'm waiting patiently on AGD, to see what they come up with. I want a VERY VERY fast mech.
Well, the hair trigger is very very fast.

[LAMANTEthePBguy]

Originally posted by Blacksheep
Good...this is excellent for the industry. Cut-throat competition is where the market is at, paintball is taking another step to the big time and stepping up to the plate and it looks like they just knocked one out of the ballpark.

Good job WDP and SP! I'm with him.
Somtimes I wonder what the industry would be like if Adam Smith had his way...

[hybrid-sniper]

Originally posted by SpUnKy-BoLtOn
I hope this means AKA can make a comeback somehow.

And what exactly was SP violating?
If AKA comes back i'll buy a Viking instead of a cocker next.
Vikings = secks

[Downfall08]

Vikings rock da hizzouse!!!!!111!!!!1!!!1!!!!
But you can't say no to a cocker. Just stare at the pneumatics and the backblock. They prevent you from ever wanting another gun again. EVER.:boring::eek:

Oh I know it won't happen but I hope WDP puts SP down for good.

[Ghost2867]

Originally posted by Downfall08
Oh I know it won't happen but I hope WDP puts SP down for good.
unless u can back that up with a good and reasonable reason...

sit down and shut up.

[[Infusion]BigC]

LOL!!

Nice to see someone finally putting SP in there place.

Especially a company whose products are way better then SPs stuff.

I like the order for "destruction of all products infringing on both patents including incomplete guns (IE grip frames) and complete guns."

HAHAHA!! YEAH!! Don't just shut SP up and make 'em pay royalties! MAKE 'EM MELT DOWN WHAT THEY GOT IN STOCK TOO!

Awww, man. lol, this makes my day, and it's only 10:10am :D

Also, I'd like to stated just for the record
B2K4 > Impulse
FreeStyle > Shocker
PDS > Vision Eye
Wewt, ICD Products > SP Products
and ICD is still cheaper!

[Vaypourus]

I have yet to read through all of the legal garble yet....but I have to say that I am happy to hear this.

As Blacksheep said, this is going to be real good for the industry. (in case you guys haven't noticed, Blacksheep has said some interesting stuff about this whole lawsuit thing...)

I predicted that things were going to be interesting when WDP got involved...I had no inclination that they would file a counter suit.

With so many different companies making alot of discoveries and innovations over the past few years, I would be suprised if things get pretty crazy with patents and what not over the next few years. The paintball industry has been living in a fairy tale world, and things are just starting to get serious.

I think SP underestimated WDP, Tippmann, and definitly K2.

[Downfall08]

Originally posted by Ghost2867

unless u can back that up with a good and reasonable reason...

sit down and shut up.
Back what up? My opinion? I don't like SP for trying to monopolize the electro industry. They got rid of the Viking, Excal, Emag and Xmag (or finished the AGD guns off). Those were great guns and SP just wanted better sales. I will eternally hate SP for that reason alone.

[Vaypourus]

Emag and X-mag were discontinued more for other reasons than the whole SP...Tom kaye said that himself. They had been planned for retirement long before this stuff went down.

[Ghost2867]

Originally posted by Downfall08

Back what up? My opinion? I don't like SP for trying to monopolize the electro industry. They got rid of the Viking, Excal, Emag and Xmag (or finished the AGD guns off). Those were great guns and SP just wanted better sales. I will eternally hate SP for that reason alone.
yea, but completely making htem back out of the industry?

they sponsor almost as many teams as DYE used to, and does...

and no matter how much u, or me may hate them as a company, they make hella tite products.

if SP just suddenly disappeared...it would be a sad sad day for paintball.

[[Infusion]BigC]

Originally posted by Ghost2867

if SP just suddenly disappeared...it would be a sad sad day for paintball.

That's debatable, seeing as to the price of alot of better electros (Bushies) would drop right away.

Alot of innocent nubs would be saved from overpriced, over-rated SP Products.

It would certainly be a sad day if you were on Dynasty, but for paintball as a sport?

Maybe not...

[Canadia_PBaller]

The only good SP product that is made, are the barrel condoms...........

[Ghost2867]

Originally posted by [Infusion]BigC


That's debatable, seeing as to the price of alot of better electros (Bushies) would drop right away.

Alot of innocent nubs would be saved from overpriced, over-rated SP Products.

It would certainly be a sad day if you were on Dynasty, but for paintball as a sport?

Maybe not...
while i would take a bushy over an imp, if it were to be one of those custom imps...no debate at all in my mind...i'd take a rat or rat jr even over a bushy.

their barrels, believe it or not, perform...especially with the new SS inserts...:eek:

and if u can find a reg that's better than their maxxys, lmk...sure, others perform par, but can u find a reg taht oustrips the maxxy?

and guess what? their shockers pwn too!

[Canadia_PBaller]

Originally posted by Ghost2867

while i would take a bushy over an imp, if it were to be one of those custom imps...no debate at all in my mind...i'd take a rat or rat jr even over a bushy.

their barrels, believe it or not, perform...especially with the new SS inserts...:eek:

and if u can find a reg that's better than their maxxys, lmk...sure, others perform par, but can u find a reg taht oustrips the maxxy?

and guess what? their shockers pwn too!


I would take a custom Bushie over a custom Impy

Their barrels perform good, until you break a ball....then you HAVE to squeege, no shooting through

Mac Dev gladiator, and conquest regs out-perform Max-Flos hands down

Their Shockers pwn? PLEASE!!! A local team bought 5 of em, and only 1 worked, and had to send the other 4 back to SP.


Nuff said

[Durandal]

Looking over the patents, it appears that WDP is suing SP using a patent that protects the monitoring systems for paintball markers. IE: LCD screens, ACE, and thermometers (why?).

Kinda cool that WDP had this and didn't decide to sue the rest of the high end markers (timmys, matrix, ect),

[[Infusion]BigC]

Originally posted by Ghost2867

while i would take a bushy over an imp, if it were to be one of those custom imps...no debate at all in my mind...i'd take a rat or rat jr even over a bushy.

their barrels, believe it or not, perform...especially with the new SS inserts...:eek:

and if u can find a reg that's better than their maxxys, lmk...sure, others perform par, but can u find a reg taht oustrips the maxxy?

and guess what? their shockers pwn too!

I would also take a custom bushy over any custom Imp.

Sure their barrels work, but so do others, and SPs barrels are overpriced like the rest of their products.

I would definatly take a CP barrel kit over a Freak kit, if only to save myself the cash.

CP Regs > MaxFlo no doubt.

The MaxFlo has seen it's day. It was the best at one point, but SP has a bad habit of letting there designs rot as soon as they sell well (The Impulse has hardly changed even though it needs some big improvements). Yet, SP maintanes the ubsurdly high prices for these outdated technologies.

Shockers... I would take a FreeStyle, a ND Timmy, and just about any Angel over them. I mean for the money, I can get something quite a bit better.

I'm not saying SP doesn't have some good products, but fact is I can spend my money MUCH more effectivly on products from other comanies, and get products that preform either the same or better...

[Downfall08]

Originally posted by Ghost2867

yea, but completely making htem back out of the industry?

they sponsor almost as many teams as DYE used to, and does...

and no matter how much u, or me may hate them as a company, they make hella tite products.

if SP just suddenly disappeared...it would be a sad sad day for paintball.
yea I see your point. I don't really think the reg impy is all that great but there are some nice custom ones (Strange and Rat for Example) What would be good is if SP just stopped pursuing other companies. It may be a naive idea but they are ruining it for the rest of us. I'm hoping that maybe WDP will help with this somehow.

[Canadia_PBaller]

Originally posted by Downfall08

yea I see your point. I don't really think the reg impy is all that great but there are some nice custom ones (Strange and Rat for Example)

Hate to break it to you, but all custom imps either use Max-Flos or milled gas-thru grips.......

[Ghost2867]

Originally posted by Downfall08

yea I see your point. I don't really think the reg impy is all that great but there are some nice custom ones (Strange and Rat for Example) What would be good is if SP just stopped pursuing other companies. It may be a naive idea but they are ruining it for the rest of us. I'm hoping that maybe WDP will help with this somehow.
i agree with blacksheep in this area...

this is a good thing that's stimulating the paintball industry...at this point, i dont really care.

i gave up being one of those hardcore SP haters a long long time ago.

canadia: he was talking about the stock impy, not the reg on them...lol

[[Infusion]BigC]

I'd still take a ShockTech Bushy over any Impulse (or at least any that I've seen).

In Fact, I'd take a Stock B2K4 w/ PDS over some of the "Custom" Impulses that are flooding the market.

Seriously, why are there so many custom Impulses? It's sick.

Most of them just have some extra milling and anno.

I could get that done myself.

Ghey :rolleyes:

[Canadia_PBaller]

Originally posted by Ghost2867

canadia: he was talking about the stock impy, not the reg on them...lol


Ah, I see now, that I read it closer.....but I mean c'mon......wtf is a reg impy? Everyone here calls it stock.....

[thepeashooter]

I think Smart Parts is a great company with some great products. I really hope what WDP is doing to SP is just giving them a reality slap in the face and not actually trying to shut SP down or monopolize on the industry.


I feel sorry for ya SP, but you cant say you didn't have it coming.

[Ghost2867]

Originally posted by [Infusion]BigC
I'd still take a ShockTech Bushy over any Impulse (or at least any that I've seen). over the shocktech bushy, id take a shocktech impy, rat imp, STRANGE IMPULSE especially(one of my favorite guns of all time), and actually, a few others as well.

In Fact, I'd take a Stock B2K4 w/ PDS over some of the "Custom" Impulses that are flooding the market. its ur choice, and ur opinion, but most of the custom imps would rip a stock to shreds. the reason why there are so many is that SP LETS the teams come up with their own markers with their own designs and features.

Seriously, why are there so many custom Impulses? It's sick. its sick, but in a good way...:P hehe

Most of them just have some extra milling and anno. actually, htey ALL have new milling and annos...AND they all come with those nice upgrades that you'll get eventually for ur imp anyway.

I could get that done myself. but its a lot more convenient this way.

Ghey :rolleyes:
;)

[blkbelt]

i didnt read all the post so call me dumb, but what is bounce.

[Ghost2867]

Originally posted by blkbelt
i didnt read all the post so call me dumb, but what is bounce.
trigger bounce...

when u pull the trigger on any e-gun, its activated the same way in the end...

two metal plates come into contact with each other that sends a splurge of tiny electrical signals to the board.

all the board needs is one signal to fire the gun...so what the board will do is filter out the rest.

bounce is when multiple signals make it through, and the gun ends up firing multiple shots per pull due to this.

boards like the a4 fly have adjustable de-bounce which allows u to set the sensitivity of the board's bounce capabilities.

bounce is illegal in most tournaments.

[blkbelt]

ahhh soooo.... thanks.