AAAAHHHH what to do...

[cali141]

Every hour, i find myself contradicting what i was thinking an hour ago about what to do next. I just sold my cocker, and now have $650 on my hands. First, i was thinking i should get an upped Rat Jr. Impulse. Then i thought that this might be overkill, and decided just to get an agd ule custom. But, i wanted to get something with a faster rof, but not too expensive. I decided on a piranha evo. But then, i realized that angel speeds can be found for $550 used. It seemed too good to be true. I then looked at the other aspects of angels, such as technical stuff and upgrades. I found that the electronics of an angel might be a bit too complicated for me. Also, i heard angels can be rediculously costly to repair if its damaged a certain way. So now, im thinking that i should get the evo, but keep some extra cash in case i want a nicer gun. Im still a little iffy on the evo though, and am STILL trying to find out if it gets any recoil.

[t33kyboy]

GET THE MAG!!!!

[cali141]

Ya, but a lot of people say that even with an intelliframe, the mag can only get like 12 bps. Im more of a back-middle man, so i need something fast. Im a bit constricted on cash though, because after the $650 is gone, its gonna take me a while to get more money.

[chibissj]

12 bps?

rat jr...looks better, shoots better, and will be more efficient.

[cali141]

Ah, but i cannot stand chopping, therefore i need really low pressure, or an ace. I dont really want vision, compared to equilizer. Equilizer is $150. The rjr is $525 stock. Already, thats $675, and we havent gone into the college packs.

[Meyagi]

Originally posted by chibissj
12 bps?

rat jr...looks better, shoots better, and will be more efficient.

Exactly. If 12 bps is too slow for you, then you should get the rat jr as it will sustain your need for speed.;)

[t33kyboy]

buy a used emag!

no chops with level 10, and has that rof you need.

[paintballer42o]

I say get the rat with like an egg or halo and definatly no chopping.

[cali141]

Already said that the rat would be too much $$$ for me, although i wish i could get it.

How cheap do emags go? Also, do you have to deal with dwell and crap like on most other electros, because i just want something simple, fast (with a mouseclick trigger pull, or close to it), and reliable. Thats what made the evo so attractive... nice trigger pull, fast, break beam eyes, and no dwell or stuff. Plus, its an extremely simple design.

[chibissj]

rat jrs are too much? $500? but you said you have that budget already on a mag? :confused:

[cali141]

I meant rjr's with vision or equilizer. I dont want chopping. I was able to afford the mag, because it already comes with lvl 10.

[pbhippie ben]

Then get the mag!!! Once the hair trigger somes out you will be happy that we told you to get the mag.

[Caleb98]

why would you get the Evo?????
That totally blows my mind!
Get the RJR!

[shneeko6]

go with a speed. then get an egg. and ull be set.

[PeYToN-SS]

How can you even put the Evo as a choice against a Mag, Speed, and RJR? Get the mag!

[evilhomer]

In order:
1. E-mag: No chops (L10), reliable, fast, in your price range, and it hell if all else fails, the E-mag lets you go from electro mode to hybrid/mechanical mode.
2. RJR: Sexy, fast, but out of your price range if you want the Equalizer board.
3. ULE Mag: Same as E-mag except not electro, very cheap, and you have money left over to play. I put this behind the RJR only because of ROF.
4.Pirhana Evo: What the hell were you thinking?

[punkerx1]

you say you dont have alot of cash..yet you want something really fast.. 15+bps = a hell of alot of paint= a hell of alot of money. just make sure before you buy something fast that you can support its speed with paint.

i would get an emag out of everything listed..i would say matrix but you want something not to complicated, and an emag is exactly that.

[2k3_STS_EFORCE]

Get a mag.. heres a link to my friends mag that is for sale.. it looks amazing and has tons of ups.. he only wants $350 for it!!

http://www.paintballclassifieds.com/detail.php?cat=25&de=31199

[shortman506]

don't go with the evo, you will have felt like a moron or down-grading yourself and losing money trying to resell it and then your budget would be even LOWER. if you can get a job or something to get you a little bit of money, do it and get the RJR

[cali141]

Well, i guess if i can find an emag for like 550 or lower, ill get it. Plus, ill have enough $$$ for 2 cases of paint. It seems pretty simple, and i hope your right on that. Rof: obviously good, and i heard mags are as reliable as tippmans. I hope all the electronic stuff is simple to use, and isnt like timing an autococker to get it right. Ill read reviews and look for more info, and see if you have to take an hour to change the dwell or something (if there is dwell on emags).

EDIT: Wait... pbreview's description says the emag is capped at 13 bps. It heard it was as fast as a matrix...
About the speed: If it really is simple to adjust different settings, and simple to maintain and take care of it, then sure, i might get it. Its just that it has sensi, max bps settings, dwell, and all that other stuff. Doesnt seem too simple to me, but maybe im wrong. If it really is easy, convince me otherwise, because right now it seems to be a bit overcomplicated to me! Im not saying this is any good, but the evo eforce frame is electric, and simple as hell. You press a button to turn on, and youre ready. Im sure theres also eye settings, but thats only one thing to worry about.

[Tipp98WhisperEx]

Originally posted by 2k3_STS_EFORCE
Get a mag.. heres a link to my friends mag that is for sale.. it looks amazing and has tons of ups.. he only wants $350 for it!!

http://www.paintballclassifieds.com/detail.php?cat=25&de=31199

Yup, definetly...

:D

That's my mag for sale, FYI. Conact me if you're interested (sorry, I know this isn't the trading forums...)

[cali141]

That really is a nice mag, but i need something fast. Beautiful mag though!

You people arent making a very convincing arguement about why the evo sucks so bad. Do i really have to pay $800 for something quick and simple? Plus, i have gone pretty fast on those eforce frames before. All ive seen is "the evo sucks" (or something like that). Yes, it may pale in comparison to a speed, but the speed seems a bit overdone! At least four different things to watch out for, all being adjusted by three buttons on the trigger frame :eyes: .

[Tipp98WhisperEx]

Originally posted by cali141
That really is a nice mag, but i need something fast.

Exact same reason why I'm selling it. :D

Well, my friend had a 2k3 STS Eforce and it was messed up pretty bad. It chopped 24/7 and non-stop sputtering. Probably just a bad spring though, because we switched it with the spring in my old Spyder and it worked fine, but then we switched back lol... Ahh, well. He sold it and now he's got a Dragun T.E.S.. Pretty nice, IMO, and very fast.

[p8ntfreak98]

Heh, I always laugh when I hear a back player wanting a mag.

The RJR will be your best bet.

[FurrBall]

Hmmmm......... $650 hmm.... okay get the new spyder imagine or some other spyder. They are very nice guns and VERY upgradeable. So use the extra money for upgrades:nod:

[cali141]

PMI admits that their 2k3 line was a little falty in some areas, such as sometimes no recocking on the 2k3 STS. They said they have fixed all problems that were known.

Anyways, back to my question! How are the bang-for-the-buck ratios for an upped impy, speed, emag, and ule custom better than the evo? Remember: Must be fast, simple, and not above $600! Also, if the emag can go over 13 bps, tell me!! Im buying it if it really can!! Please reply soon, i have about one month to buy one of these guns and get familiar with it!

[can'tthink of1]

Evil Omen. It sounds perfect for you. But then agian Emags are so awesome, and I would choose one over an omen. But blah, look into the omen.

[cali141]

Ive heard from soooo many people that the omen gets more than its fair share of problems though! Plus, it doesnt have any sort of device lowering the chances of chopping. Also, is it really worth $150 more to get an omen over an evo, or does the evo, at $400, really stand a chance against an emag, which would be found for $100 more? GAHHHHHHHHH.... seems like there is never going to be a solution. Hows this sound: I buy the evo, and keep all the extra cash as a backup in case i need something better? It seems like i wont benefit from any of the other guns. Emag might be too slow, speed might be too complicated, omen might be a pos, and rjr is too much money. I play at a field with people who arent too affluent, so im assuming i wont see any of those guns, except for maybe a nearly stock pulse.

[can'tthink of1]

Emags aren't capped at 13bps, that might be like really old software, but now they are capped pretty high. The omen problems arise from 99% user error, and if you learn to set it up right it will rip. The evo isn't 400, last I heard it was like $250...


At any rate I strongly suggest emags, omens, and also speeds are nice when sensi is working right.

[xXniTemAreXx]

b2k4 with pds :D 550$ i think and its supposed to be fast though.. but i wouldnt know..

[cali141]

Well, ive been looking at the omen and its reviews. Seems to be really good, and at only $450. Do you have to time it? It seems that it isnt timing, but you just have to properly set reg pressure and back block recocking pressure (i think). A lot of people say that the cam feed can chop, but they just send it in to pmi, get it back in a week, and it rips. Everybody says that there is no chopping. So, now i have reduced my choices to either an omen or an emag. I probably will go with the omen, since the heavy weight of the emag is a bit of a con for me, and it also seems that the electronics of the evo are simpler than that of the emag's.

[p8ntfreak98]

Aha ahahaha. Omen is no where near an impulse.

You could go for a 04 BKO. Bout the same price as the omen and is proven to be a good gun.

[can'tthink of1]

Originally posted by AR55 MtM
A omen is basically an Impulse......just get a Rat. Jr then upgrade it later........

No, that one made me laugh actually.

The omen is a closed bolt blowback actually. And for tuning the omen, all you need to do is learn to adjust the recock, and set the reg.

*edit* Also don't be a sissy, the emag is a great marker, and the weight shouldn't be a factor really. The omen is a good choice because of the CAM, which prevents all chops (not barrel breaks) and comes with one of the top regs on the market.

[p8ntfreak98]

It still is a gas hog. Not good for backs/mids. A front would be fine with it's efficiency, but deffinately not a back.

Go for a BKO.

[Schwa]

I 2nd the BKO suggestion. You can get an SP mod to reduce chops.


And for all of you all dissin EVOs, ive heard nothin but good things about them. Its the player, not the gun. And dont get the omen, if you really wanted an expensive sear trippin blowback, then you could get an EVO and upgrade it.

[cali141]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but im not really too fond of bushys. Played with it for a game, and just didnt like the feel of it. Plus, after i gave it back to my friend, he played with it for a game then it started leaking, and he lost a full 45/3000 in about five minutes. As for the emag - I meant evo, not emag.

I watched a video of an evo with a cp reg, and a video of an omen with the pdp chip. The omen was a little faster. I know that in reality, the omen is much faster, especially with the pdp chip, but the people shooting were both walking the trigger as fast as they could.

[can'tthink of1]

Omens are only ineffiecient if you don't set it up right, the whole user error seems popular for people with omens who can't follow directions.

[teufelhunden]

I dunno if you don't want a 'Cocker or something, and I'm too lazy to read your thread, but you can def find an EBlade for under $650 new.

Here's one from a sig in this thread-- http://www.pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=230425

[xXniTemAreXx]

Jesus christ dude pic a marker... youre just gonna have to live with the cons...

[cali141]

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Some of you may wonder why i have picked this over an omen, emag, impulse, and various other markers. The reason is simple: The evo carries an unbeatable bang-for-the-buck ratio. Sure, it may not go 25 bps, but who needs that kind of speed? Even a backman doesnt need that much. We'll use the evo's advertised speed of 15 bps. Imagine 15 paintballs flying through the air at 290 fps, all fired in one second. Imagine trying to run through that. I guarantee you will be hit. So while the speed and impulse are reeeally fast, that kind of speed isnt completely necessary, although the more balls in the air, the more likely somebody's gonna get hit. But in my opinion, 75 paintballs in 5 seconds is more than satisfactory.

The simplicity of each marker was a major factor in my decision. The impulse and speed were factored out here. (I know, the imp is only 425, but to get good accuracy and speed, you need to add a bunch of aftermarket parts IMO.) In addition, the speed and imp were a bit too much $$$. Now, the emag, omen, ule custom, and evo were left.

The rate of fire for each gun was another factor. The only guns i found to have satisfactory speed was everything but the ule custom. So, that now only leaves the emag, omen, and evo.

Next: Bang-for-the-buck. The emag is a very good gun, but i was having no luck in finding an emag that was even close to the prices of the omen and evo. And because each gun has more than my minimum requirement of speed, i considered them all equal in this area. Each had enough speed. But the emag was at least $150 higher than the other two. So, the emag was factored out.

Finally: Personal preference. The omen is faster than the evo. The omen is also more consistant than the evo (detonator reg). But, the omen is $200 more. For that, you could get a cp inline reg, which would solve the evo's problem. As for chopping, each is about equal to the other. The evo has breakbeam eyes. Numerous people say they have gone through cases of paint with no chops. The cam feed of the omen is also reported to almost completely eliminate chops. Accuracy isnt really a factor, because that is dependant on consistancy and the barrel, and the paint-to-barrel match. The evo already has ram air (works very well) and a good reg is only $50. The next factor: Simplicity of design. Here, the evo wins hands-down. The omen is closed-bolt, so it has many more extra parts to it. Next factor (which affects accuracy): Kick. Obviously, the omen wins here. Its closed bolt, which gives almost no kickback. However, the additional $150 gap left between the two guns ($50 already used for inline reg) can easily buy all the low pressure parts needed to reduce kickback. Lastly: Personal preference. By this point, the two are veeery similar to each other in performance, because $150 has been spent on the evo. I used to own an autococker, and didnt really like how many moving parts it had. So, i chose the evo.

For everybody who thinks i am a complete moron for doing this, thats ok. Pimping out a piranha sounds stupid, even to me. However, this will give me what i want. This is what fits my budget and preferances. So, i hope everybody understands why i have chosen the evo.

[p8ntfreak98]

Meh, I'd still go with a BKO and a CP barrel. Your points make some good sense though, but I'd still take a BKO.

[shneeko6]

Originally posted by FurrBall
Hmmmm......... $650 hmm.... okay get the new spyder imagine or some other spyder. They are very nice guns and VERY upgradeable. So use the extra money for upgrades:nod:

Your kidding right?

[punkerx1]

um...yeah...wtf is an evo? i honestly have never heard of an evo before.



isnt saving up for an emag worth it? (http://www.havoc-online.com/Vids/lighttrigger..avi%20)

[shneeko6]

its a piranha with an eframe on it i think

[p8ntfreak98]

Originally posted by punkerx1



isnt saving up for an emag worth it? (http://www.havoc-online.com/Vids/lighttrigger..avi%20)

Not if you run out of air in a game :dodgy:

[can'tthink of1]

Originally posted by p8ntfreak98


Not if you run out of air in a game :dodgy:

You won't...

The evo is basically a spyder with beambreak eyes. i don't like it because it has a plastic/composite trigger frame, with I still don't trust for durabiliy.

[p8ntfreak98]

If he plays back he will.

[[Infusion]BigC]

If only you could've seen the ICD light.

BKOs can tear it up. Super simple. True Electro & so worth it's low price it's sick.

Heck, B2K4s w/ PDS are only around 525. Cheaper then an Impulse w/o PDS. Quite an awsome marker there as well.

But, alas, you have made your decision.

Oh well, :(

[cali141]

Yup, i have chosen the evo. For the guy who was worried about the plastic, i just want to say that it is VERY durable for being plastic. And besides, im more a back person, so i wont have to worry too much about it.

punkerx1 - the evo is piranha's best marker now. It has an lcd eforce frame and dual breakbeam eyes.

Ya, the higher-end bkos are nice, but i dont really need 20 bps. We're not quite a full-fledged well-known tourney team yet, but we're starting to become known to other teams. So, that kind of firepower isnt very necessary.

[tippmann1223]

http://www.pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=229215

I would buy it in a second if i had the money. And you would have money left over.

Or an RJR

[p8ntball-kid21]

Though u've made ur decision. The evo will not compare to those other guns. They might share feature like an eye or regulators but the quality and performance of the evo will be lacking. You have to still remeber that it is still a electronic blowback which is mass produced over seas. Also, the board may be cappped at 13 bps but due to it's board logic might not reach it. On another gun with a high quality board u could prob reach higher bps due to the better board logic. The feel is also a significant factor. The evo will have a noticeable kick unlike the other guns mentioned here, with the exception of the Omen b/c it also is a blockback but I'm not sure. The evo will also run at a high pressure out of the box which will prevent u from using brittle paint.
BTW dwell has to be set up on all electro-pneumatic guns but dwell is usually up at the factory so u need not worrry bout it.

If you change ur mind about the evo I'd get either a BKO ($350) or a B2k4 w/ PDS (520). Your friend prob messed up his Bushy. Most problems that arise from guns are b/c of user error. The feel of the Bushy can also differ as a resualt of how he set it up.

[lite-u-up3]

I love my mag alot more than my impy.