Anyone using a Tribal Twister?

[MuckRaker]

In my constant quest to decide which gun to purchase, I'm now thinking a Tribal Twister would be good choice. I know, I was, and still am, hooked on an Automag RT Pro, but it's a bit pricey ... I definitely want something with a high ROF, and now I'm thinking electro may be the way to go. I could probably swing The $450 to $500 for a Twister, but maybe there's something better in that price range. Any comments ... and no, at this point i'm not that interested in getting a Cocker.

[SmartBall]

Bush masters are all out excelent for their price! They have a very nice stock setup and ICD constantly upgrades the goods on them :) Chances are if you order now, you'll get a gen 4 or 5 bush, since they are the most resent ones. But if anything, i would get a bushy over a tribal, but tribals are very very good guns for their money too, i just prefer bushys more. Pretty much anything can be done to it, you spend about $400 in upgrades (you don't hafta though) and you got a gun thats better than a 'stock' angel. Their small too. oh well i could go on and on about this but just read the reveiws on it, some are good and some are bad. most of the bad ones are just from the owners own stupidity though ;) Check 'em out, you'll love it! AT like $450 at http://www.paintballsrus.com , it's a deal to be beaten!

[MuckRaker]

I was looking at the Bushmasters on the ICD homepage, they sound like a really good marker. Isn't the Bob Long Defiant the same thing? Speaking of Bob, the Intimadator is cool looking marker. Man, too many decisions, not enough money!

[elTwitcho]

Well, I posted some stuff about the intimidator in another thread

http://www.pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=2068

For sure it is more than some of the other ones, but the features and general feel is as good or better than anything else out there, and if you did buy one, you would have the satisfaction of owning one of the best guns on the market, and you wouldnt be wondering if maybe you shoulda spent a little more for an angel, or a matrix, emag intimmy or whatever. Give it some thought, I'm sure you'll be happy whatever you decide

[MuckRaker]

I'm going to our credit union tomorrow to open an account, i figure I could put $10 away every paycheck, see what I have a the end of the year, and if I have to, sell the STS to get some extra cash.

[MuckRaker]

The deal is, I want a gun that I won't have to upgrade much if at all. I defintely want a high ROF. Twitcho ... Does the Timmy work on HPA only? Could you use the dreaded CO2? And do you really need to add an aftermarket Reg to it, or does it work just fine out of the box? I'm thinking if I had the money to spend on it, I'd get a gas through grip, dropforward and adjustable tank. But, since the Timmy has two Regs, could you use a preset?

[elTwitcho]

I've heard of people using CO2 on anti syphon and apparently it does work alright, though I shiver at the tought of even trying it. Also, I've heard of people using a preset, though I cant imagine how, because if my inline was set too high I would get vicious velocity inconsistencies. If you used an adjustable tank that could go as low as 400 you would be fine using it for sure, and could run a gas through grip (I know of alot of people who do this). If it will go as low as 250-270 you can do the LP mod and the gun becomes even better (easier to set up too:) ). As for upgrades, there is not a one that you need, other than a barrel, and the usual non gun stuff (better inline reg, better tank, maybe warp feed) sort of things, that people get for any gun. But as for the actual gun itself, you dont need a single upgrade to get awesome performance

[Phaelon Veritas]

I'm not going to say for sure (I DO NOT OWN THIS GUN DO NOT TAKE THIS WORD FOR WORD) but from numerous people who own tribal I hear many contrasting opinion the gun is great and it sucks I am curious how it works as well because opinions are so squed

[MuckRaker]

Originally posted by elTwitcho
I've heard of people using a preset, though I cant imagine how, because if my inline was set too high I would get vicious velocity inconsistencies. If you used an adjustable tank that could go as low as 400 you would be fine using it for sure, and could run a gas through grip (I know of alot of people who do this).

OK, so the Timmy has two inline Regs on the body, and a gauge that measures the presure entering the gun, but you can't put a preset tank on it and use the on-body regs to adjust the amount of PSI entering the gun, couldn't you put a vertical reg on the gun, run the preset to it and adjust the pressure there? I guess I'm curious because if I decide to go electro, these are questions I'd need answered no matter what marker I got. Even the Defiant is a low pressure gun, which means it would also need an adjustable tank, right? And adjustable tanks are so F'ing expensive.

[elTwitcho]

About using a preset and a vertical, you can for sure. That's actually the setup i use, a preset Pure Energy, and a vigilante as an inline reg. That setup has worked awesome for me. By saying I dont think you can use a preset, I meant a preset going directly into the gun was the setup I didnt beleive was usable. A preset through an inline works wonders :) The gun does not come with any guages, though it has 2 guage ports which show the following

Guage on Top/right side- Pressure used to fire the gun

Guage on Lower/left side- Pressure used for bolt movement

There is no need to get guages actually, I myself dont use them, but they make setting the gun up much quicker, as it eliminates the guesswork invovled in finding the right pressure. But to answer your question, a preset and an inline regulator will work absolutely great, so there is no need to buy an expensive adjustable tank.

[MuckRaker]

that's weird, I talked to a sales rep at BBT today and he said the Timmy came with a guage on the gun ... anyway, maybe he'd hit the Ole Bong one too many times before answering the phone ... How do you set it up with out a gauge, how do you know what the PSI is entering the gun?

Also, adding the Vert reg, Twitcho, I remember you said something about converting one of the inline regs into a volumn chamber as part of the LP Mod ... Is that a necessary mod if you add the third reg, or did you do it just ot make the gun shoot at an even lower PSI? I guess you could leave all three regs on the gun, use one to adjust output from the tank and the other two to adjust .... well, whatever it is they adjust.

[Edited by MuckRaker on 03-12-2001 at 07:07 PM]

[elTwitcho]

That is where it gets difficult. It's pretty much a "Turn a little in... still dont work... little more... little more... bit better... little more... worse... out a little, bingo". A guage is definately alot easier to set up your gun, and it'll probably take less than half the time with guages, than without them. And the only way to check your pressure is indeed with a guage. I've seen guns pretty much covered in guages, 2 on the tank, one on the vertical reg, two moe on the gun... I just like the asthetics of a gauge only on the reg, and of course one on my tank. Whatever you do though, when (if :) ) you order your setup, make sure you get either an adjsutable tank or inline regulator that can go as low as 220-250 psi, so that you can do the LP mod, it costs nothing to do, and seriously boosts the guns performance. With a vigi you need a low pressure spring, though I beleive some regs dont need another spring.

[elTwitcho]

About the LP mod, it just makes the gun easier to set up, as you only need to deal with 2 regs instead of 3, and the gun has alot less kick, because the hammer doesnt have to hit the valve with as much pressure. I know it's confusing at first, but I'll try as best I can to explain anything about the gun you need to know. And no the Mod isnt the least bit neccessary, as I used my setup for months without the LP mod, when i found a spring for my vert reg, I decided I'd give it a try and I really liked it. But by no means do you need to do it

Ah, and incase you need to know. With the Low pressure mod, Input going into the gun is about 220-270 psi. Without LP mod, the input pressure is about 500-600 psi. That's just so you know what kind of air setup you need depending on how you want your gun set up

[Edited by elTwitcho on 03-12-2001 at 07:15 PM]

[MuckRaker]

Knowing that, what you just posted, means the Timmy is now in my price range again ... I set up an account at our Credit Union today, $30 a week from my paycheck into a savings account ... I figure by Christmas I'll have about $1,100 in the account, plus another $250 if I sell the STS. I could definitely get a Timmy, preset tank and reg, and then worry about the LP mod at a later date. Now if I could just find someplace locally that had a Timmy, just to hold it and see how it feels.

One more Thing Twitcho (thanks for your help and patience) where did you get yours?

[elTwitcho]

I bought mine from

Extreme Rage All Sports
3598 Fowler Street
For Myers Florida 33901
Phone number is 941-939-0911

I'm telling you right now that if you do get a chance to hold one, you'll decide you want it on the spot :) I know, because I went in there actually looking for a tribal, when the guy handed me a timmy. I had no intention of buying one until I actually had it in my hands. Just fiddling with the trigger, I fell in love :) Went home that day, looked up the gun on the net, learned all the great features and fell even more in love. Like I said, the LP mod comes highly recomended, it will make the gun feel so much better (and I thought it felt amazing before the mod), and if your reg will go low enough, it costs nothing to do, and requieres no technical expertise whatsoever. I bought my timmy, tank, JT spectra Flex 7 mask, 12 volt revvy, extreme rage 4 vert pack, and vigilante reg for 1289 USD, so you're looking at slightly less probably, since you should already have a hopper, mask and revvy. My intimidator on it's own cost me 750 from Extreme Rage, give em a call if they're in your area, and see if they have any in

[MuckRaker]

Fort Myers isn't that far from here, maybe a two hour drive. Since I'm not playing on the weekends, for now, I could scoot down there. Actually, that price is very competitive with some of the "larger" online outfits, including the Bob Long/CNC machining site.
Thanks again.