What is the biggest waste of money?

[scott44]

Question

[TLplus84]

i'd have to say sights..

[Creek]

TL thats one of them,and I say the same thing

[ptflyer]

the hopper full of paint I dropped when I didn't close the lid all the way.....


come on we all have done that....at least once.....

[TLplus84]

the guppie lid that went ajar inside the harness, and when i undid the strap..140 opaintballs come pouring out..

[Creek]

That plain white box of paint.What a deal huh.Breaks in a pump gun.

[Joel Timberlake]

Originally posted by ptflyer
the hopper full of paint I dropped when I didn't close the lid all the way.....


come on we all have done that....at least once.....

Try like 3 times. It's the worst thing in the world.

As for me, I voted for other, as I think the Boomstick is the biggest waste of money. I think you can get a barrel just as good for a lot cheaper.

[simon woodstock]

I've lost full hoppers of paint about 4 times too, i agree, that and sights

[SmartBall]

anything that you do not like after you buy it can be considered a waste of money-to you.

[spacer709]

actually what sucks is when you zone out totally, lower your arm and end up filling your barell with 8 inches of nice thick mud. oi vei

[Counterfeit]

I would have to say cups and sights are the biggest pieces of crap wastes of maney for paintball in my opinion.

[Auctionjunkie!]

Laser sites and scopes. Probably stocks too.

Dan
Manager, Team Wiseguys

[Batman]

It would have to be the Brass Eagle Stingray 2. It cost almost $90.00 and is not worth that money, you can get a compact for about that price which is a better gun.

[skippy8]

I'll say sight too. I bought one a while back and I never used it. So I sold it to a newbie for like $10. The dumb thing I've always done is, I usually fill paint in my hopper then put hopper on the marker.(dunno just habit)And I swear everytime I'll pour marbs in one end and they just flow out the other. I do it at least once every time I go paintballing. I suck.

[Rusty Knight]

Hands down a sight is the bigest waste of money. But someone said a cup! I don't know about you guys but my "boys" are my pride and joy. I'll be damned if I'm gonna risk taking a paintball, traveling at 300fps, in the most sacred of sacred areas!

[Joel Timberlake]

Originally posted by Batman
It would have to be the Brass Eagle Stingray 2. It cost almost $90.00 and is not worth that money, you can get a compact for about that price which is a better gun.

Actually, I know where you can get a Stingray II new for 46 bucks...but whatever.

[simon woodstock]

My little brother bought a laser sight for $25 he got it used but its still a waste of 25 bones. the dot is about 3 inches above the ball before it even leaves the gun, from there it drops another foot before it hits the target so no matter what the laser will be ATLEAST a foot above your target, if there's more than a square foot sticking out of the bunker hopefully you won't need a laser to hit the guy.

[Skull]

http://www.pbreview.com/fpics/Skull032201204801skulLOGO.gif

I think a $40 stock is a major waste of money when u can just put a $5 butt plate on a co2 tank, and it's pretty much the same as a stock. U really don't even need somethin like a stock or a butt plate when u'r constantly movin, and snapin off shots. Whos gonna take the time to shoulder the gun first?

[Hatebreed]

a pmi hopper, some shot me in it and it cracked in half!!!

[july_favre]

I disagree with sights being a waste. On my cocker its pointless but on my phantom it helps. With a semi most of us adjust aim by where the previous ball hit but thats hard to do if you cant get shots off fast enough. I dont think its fair to say that stocks are a waste either since its preference and theres no way I could comfortably shoot my phantom without one.

But i would have to say electros are the biggest waste of money. They shoot faster therfore wasting more paint which my wife seems to think is the biggest waste.

[rwillia]

I voted electros. Whoever voted pumps obviously can't grasp reality too well. No offense.

[elTwitcho]

Whoever voted electros obviously doesnt grasp reality too well, and dreams of a fantasy island where paintball is played "as it should be" in his book

[Richy_C]

hmm, sing it, hmmm

[PBSouLjAh]

man....u guys tryin to complain about unloading ur hoppers by accident. one time my friend went..and he had no harness...and we were going to play a long game. so he took a 500 round bag down with him to da bottom of da hill. as soon as he got there, he put the bag down, and got ready to fire. but the bag tilted, and 500 balls...just poured onto the ground.....and he got very mad cuz he just lost 20$ in 3 seconds. i laughed at him.

[spacer709]

sooo he must be one of your better friends...:)since you like to laugh at him

[Witt]

I thin there has been like 5 of these posts??

[raptorprh]

paintball case

[Skull]

what r u talkin bout!?!? If u got a nice gun u'll probably want to protect it from scratching, and dents. Besides it makes it a ton more conveniant to carry all u'r stuff to the field

[rwillia]

Originally posted by elTwitcho
Whoever voted electros obviously doesnt grasp reality too well, and dreams of a fantasy island where paintball is played "as it should be" in his book
What I meant by that is with pumps you would be using less CO2 and paintballs. With electros you would end up using more therefore spending more money and in some cases, wasting a lot of money, too.

[Incube]

Originally posted by ryan
Originally posted by elTwitcho
Whoever voted electros obviously doesnt grasp reality too well, and dreams of a fantasy island where paintball is played "as it should be" in his book
What I meant by that is with pumps you would be using less CO2 and paintballs. With electros you would end up using more therefore spending more money and in some cases, wasting a lot of money, too.

Look i have been yelling at peeps lately who make dumb post much like the one you just did and so plz step back!!!
Pumps are really no macth for any semi or electro!!
how to make a pump worth the 10 bucks you payed for it!
1) try using it to stick out the side of the bunker and shoot over the top with a semi.
2) camp, camp and more camping
3)learn how to wipe it will come in handy

i am not doing this to be mean all iam say is yes it may be cheaper but it is no macth you cant doing any thing but camp really i have never in my life seen a guy with a pumpo play with guys with semis and be the lasrt man standin no have i seen a guy with a pump move around the front or play offence i couyld see why snipers like them but they should all go semi

p.s. a pump is a pump they all are the same and shot the same is far as i am concernd i own a blade by brass eagle it is the only pump i got and it is a good gun i played with it in a pump touney and came in 4 place. pumps are pumps.

[Edited by Incube on 03-29-2001 at 06:59 AM]

[Richy_C]

Originally posted by ryan

What I meant by that is with pumps you would be using less CO2 and paintballs. With electros you would end up using more therefore spending more money and in some cases, wasting a lot of money, too.

That's like saying upgrading from a Voltswagon to a viper for racing is pointless because it uses more gas

[Incube]

Originally posted by Richy_C
That's like saying upgrading from a Voltswagon to a viper for racing is pointless because it uses more gas
preach it, precher!!

[spyder]

brass eagle is a piece of crap

[Skull]

Sorry incube, but saying a pump is a pump is messed up. Thats like sayin a semi is a semi. So plz don't compare u'r blade to a phantom or sniper. Thats like comparing a spyder compact to an autococker, they might both get the job done, but which one would u put u'r money on if they was playin one on one?!?!

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by ryan
Originally posted by elTwitcho
Whoever voted electros obviously doesnt grasp reality too well, and dreams of a fantasy island where paintball is played "as it should be" in his book
What I meant by that is with pumps you would be using less CO2 and paintballs. With electros you would end up using more therefore spending more money and in some cases, wasting a lot of money, too.

I misinterpreted what you meant, I've heard people say that "An electro is no better than a pump with an auto-trigger. With my autotriggered trracer, I can rip out 13 balls per second just like you can", so you never know what people mean some times. I see your point now though, but electros are by no means a waste

[TrOy]

I said "Other" cuz 18" barrels are a waste along with sights (except I do like red dots for snap shots) Cups arnt a waste but they sure are a pain in the arse!

Incube.. dang how I would LOVE to play agianst you with your semi and me with my "Just a pump" Every field I have stepped onto that had only semi's I was laughed at at first, once not even counted as a player on the team. by the end of the day they FEARED me! All I would have to do is aim at someone and they would dive for cover! All semis do is let you pull a trigger faster so you dont aim!

[Evilcrayonusa]

I use a sight on my spyder compact 2k whic is by no means stock so it shoots very accurat and ill agree when your run gunnin sights have lil to no use but if you have a nice dot sight and your out numbered and they have no clue where you are you may need to snype ant youll be glad when it only takes one shot to hit the guy as opposed to 5 because it won't give your position away as easily. as for bigest waste ide go with Pb videos lol or evolution hopper

[rwillia]

Incube, as I said before, I really hate newbies that have no idea what they're talking about. I have to put up with them almost every day and it's really pissing me off.
I know this one dumb**** that thinks his Talon is as good as my Phantom. He has a Piranha and he NEVER MOVES during games! He sits behind a bunker and sprays paint the whole match. I just run up and flank him or wait until he sticks out his hopper and I eliminate him.
Rate of fire is not as important as the player. I don't mean to preach, but you should play pump some time if you get the chance.

[MuckRaker]

OK, some good responses on here, but this is my addition. I was flipping through APG and saw an add for a Tracer unit for a paintball gun. I know what tracer rounds are for machine guns and such, but I have absolutely no idea why you need a paintball gun modified to fire tracer rounds ... unless of course you have more money than you have brains.

[elTwitcho]

Maybe you're a dolt who doesnt know how to follow a paintball with his eyes as he fires it... I dunno. It could be useful for television though, since paintball is alot more interesting to watch when you can see the flight of the balls

[SmartBall]

What else would you use it for, really? At night you CANT see were da heck your balls are shootin, right? Thats a pretty neat thing though, they glow on impact and though the air? Thats gotta be preety cool to see coming at you, hehe, I'm Gogged!

[A damn fool]

Some sights are a awste of money, but others arent, I dotn get why people will buy those 120 e dot sights that zoom in and stuff. During a speedball game, the last tihn gur going to do is zoom in with s gith beofre u shoot, u dont hae time. Howeer, i have a projectile sight, and its great for the tiems when u have the upper hand and are wating for the other guy to pop out. U can just put the dot right next to the bunker, and u know where ur gonna shoot without taking a crappy shot that will give the other guy the advatnage over u., THeyre also great for night gaems, becasue all u have to do is shine ur sight, and sit behind a bunker where u cant get hit. Then, there entire team concenrates on u, and the rest of ur own team now knows where evryone else is. So, while ur sitting there laughing, the rest of ur team takes out the entire team before they know whats going on. And, just one more point, most projectile sights are adjustable, so the fatrther away u get, the lower the dot goes, so the dot is usually exaclty where the ball will hit.

[theomacy]

spyders and spyder clones can eat money. you can put a thousdand dollars into mods on it and when your done its still not going to compete with the mags, cockers, and electros, and the resale is ****ty.

[Gizmo51]

sights, dropped paint, and brass eagle paintballs. Brass eagles are crap. And they smell bad too.

[A damn fool]

that was definetly the wrong thing to say on a site fileld with people wiht guns that u just described. All i know is yesterday, i played with a ki with his autocker, dye boomsitkc, nitro syystem, bla bla bla. Guess who was the guy with the wlets all over his chest form the shuter, him. Remeber, its the player, not alwasy the gun, It helps., but the payer is the biggest factor o all.

Oh yeah, jus i dont get spammed for saying i let welts on the kids chest, iw as shooting marbs, and they didnt break, so i shoot up his body till i hit is mask and one broke, only problem was the 5 or so that his chest before when he was only wearing one shirt caue o the heat.

[simon woodstock]

Originally posted by ryan
[B]
What I meant by that is with pumps you would be using less CO2 and paintballs. With electros you would end up using more therefore spending more money and in some cases, wasting a lot of money, too.

it doesn't mean you use more balls, it just means you have the capability to do so. that bug vs viper is a great scenario, it's like saying you should get a vw bus over a porche turbo because you'd never get a speeding ticket with the vw bus because it can't go fast enough to get a ticket. you don't always shoot 14 bps but its nice to be able to

[ammoman]

why didnt anyone say the flatline barrel? duh! :D :D

[ammoman]

Incube shutup while your ahead. Dont be such a smart @$$. If you are good with pumps then good. I would never take a type of gun over another. Unless you were usin full auto but that is plain cheap. Alright Incube?

I'm suprised that nobody else has said this. It does have to do with hoppers though. Like u know when you dropp your gun but...your hopper doesn't come open. U think o well no paint lost. But then u gotta reload and u see all these busted paintballs in there and in 15 minutes they will all be sticking in your hopper. Also i did that with my old revy and part of da padle broke off and i didn't know it until the end of the game i was the 3rd person out of 8 eliminated and i only fired bout 20 shots. After the game i saw and i was pissed cause it had chopped up all 180 rps El tiger paint .

[simon woodstock]

Originally posted by ammoman
Incube shutup while your ahead. Dont be such a smart @$$. If you are good with pumps then good. I would never take a type of gun over another. Unless you were usin full auto but that is plain cheap. Alright Incube?
he did stop while he was ahead, almost a month ago.:D

[theomacy]

a damn fool

i understand the player vs gun factors and crap like that, and i know that someone with a talon who knows how to use it right can mop up newbies with electros, but i myself have put lots of money into a spyder, and its a nice gun i like it. my comment was based on the principle that if someone has a cocker that's timed right they have played with it enought to be expierienced, and likely started of with a tippman or a spyder, and replaced it. same with mag owners and electro owners. i wasn't knowcking spyders or spyder clones. i was commenting on the fact that their are alot of upgrades for them, and its more likely than not that if someone is going to play tournies that they will replace it. i repeat i was comparing the guns not the fools pulling the trigger.

[ReXy]

tourniments suck and cost a ton of money

[mikek2111987]

no offense to anyone,but not even I(a newbie) needs 13 balls a second to hit a player.I dont see why pump players get ripped on.I am a semi player and i do just fine till some 5 year PB veteran comes up to me and empties a hopper on me with an electro.So i say electro are a waste.

[tommyraptor]

if it weren't for them there would be a slight number of people playing the sport we love. Half of u guys probably never even played 1 game with a be product.

[simon woodstock]

Originally posted by tommyraptor
if it weren't for them there would be a slight number of people playing the sport we love. Half of u guys probably never even played 1 game with a be product.
you just said a majority of p-ballers started 'cuz of BE or using the product, then you said most people haven'r used one, how's that work?

[Big Xtra]

what idiots said spyders????

are they not good begginner guns?? not everyone can afford to start with a cocker! i know i cant.

[Ez8]

i have to agree with mike everyone here knows i don't get along with electros but its not that i don't get along with electros its just that i dont think you need a 13 ball per sec waste of ammo. When you take a shot in paintball it better be a damn good one not some half *** "ill shot 500 balls in 2 secs to scare a newbie!"

[elTwitcho]

And, saying you dont need 13 shots is a typical newbie thing to say. With time, you're gonna learn that a single paintball, no matter how good the paint barrel match is, will never hit a 5X5 inch target at long range with 1 single shot. Often, that 5X5 inch target is alot bigger area than the average experienced player is going to leave exposed to you. So obviously, you are going to need more than 1 shot, that everyone can agree on. But how big is your window of opportunity to fire on this player before either he moves, or you have to get back behind cover. If you're playing against skilled opponents, 1 second is pretty much all the time you'll have to pop out, take your shots, and get back in cover. Subtract the time you need to lean out, aim, then lean back in, and you've got maybe a third of a second to fire your marker at that person. Now since we all know you cant hit that person with 1 shot, you'll want to take as many as you can. Assuming you are firing 7 shots a second (that's about right for a spyder) you'll get 2.33 shots off in that third of a second. So 2 shots is about how many you can expect to take when snapshooting at fairly close range. Now you've got an electro in the same position, you're firing 14 shots per second. In the same time frame you can fire 4.66 shots. So 4 shots if you're fast, but more like 3 when you consider that it's tough to fire 14 bps in semi. Already you're odds are 150-200% better of hitting that small area the player has left exposed. Though the actual numbers may be a bit different, I find 4 shots is the most I can get snapshooting before I start gettin nailed, so I figured that math was correct. Even if it isnt, the principle remains the same, just sub in different values for the time you have to fire your marker.

[Edited by elTwitcho on 04-26-2001 at 01:08 AM]

[simon woodstock]

and like i've said many times, if you're playing woods ball or something and you have a players whole back exposed you don't need to fire 13 balls a second, maybe you'll only need 3. but you always have the ability to shoot that fast

[elTwitcho]

Yes, but are the majority of your shots fired from behind a person or head to head were you are presented with a small target?

[Ez8]

yes i will admit i am a newbie but still even like simon sad 3 shots is good for someone who is open not 13 its just plain overkill and it hurts like hell when you have 13 welts on your back! You also have to realize most paintball places don't even allow full auto so in all terms i really sould stop *****in about autos. If you feel auto's are needed eltwitcho thats fine with me i just have differnt point of view like everyone else. So lets all get along and sing camp songs over a open fire(you think i would stop ranting by now) and enjoy the stars in the sky............

eeerr maybe not

[in trauma]

nitro or a cocker or laser sights

[scott44]

you know they just keep re-posting this poll but that is fine with me because i think it is the biggest pole in this forum

[Freakazoid]

Boomstick. I mean sure, it's good and all, but there is some barrels that are equally good as a boomstick.

[elTwitcho]

I never said anything about auto, I said high rate of fire. And again, I point out that no, 3 shots isnt all you need because that would imply the only time you shoot at anyone is when you are behind them, which is less than 10% of the firefights you will get into

[harrysacks]

had to go with BE products since nothing they make is good

[july_favre]

Another need for a high rate of fire is shooting someone who is moving. The paintballs will not get there fast enough if you aim directly at them if you are close so you have to shoot a string of paintballs in front of them and let them run into the paintballs and get themself out. You would have to have some kind of special powers to be able to estimate where the ball and player will meet going at the 2 different speeds and hit them with one shot. It happens every so often when i use my pump but its pure luck when i do.
Firing 13 balls a second doesnt mean everytime you pull the trigger 13 balls come out that second, its just the ability to shoot that fast. An angel can shoot just as slow as a pump!!!

[mikek2111987]

my double trigger does just fine for me...i can hit guys on the run with a semi. hitting a guy on the run just takes experience. and no one ever said that when u pull the trigger 13 balls come out.

[Incube]

Originally posted by simon woodstock
Originally posted by tommyraptor
if it weren't for them there would be a slight number of people playing the sport we love. Half of u guys probably never even played 1 game with a be product.
you just said a majority of p-ballers started 'cuz of BE or using the product, then you said most people haven'r used one, how's that work?
yeah i am all for using be i use one myself and um how the heck dose that work????

[simon woodstock]

Originally posted by elTwitcho
Yes, but are the majority of your shots fired from behind a person or head to head were you are presented with a small target?
i know i'm on your side, i was saying thats a rare occasion where a high rof wouldn't be needed, and a majority of the time you'll have a small moving target as apposed to a stationary large one. however if it's needed or not you always have the ability to put out that lots of balls, as aposed to a pump where you never could. i did a trigger job on my gun all weekend so i can shoot 7-8 bps.

[Skull]

K like even if the guy was behind a bunker with only a small portion of his body showin.. couldn't u just like pop off a few shots then adjust u'r aim and pop off a few more to nail him?!! I mean i totally agree with u twitch if the guys like runnin cross field or somethin, but y if he's stationary would u need to unload that much paint to hit him?!!

[simon woodstock]

some1 behind a bunker isn't stationary, they're popping in and out behind the bunker and firing balls at you i'd say w/ a semi you might get off 3 or 4 balls snap shootingso thats not even a second, so the other guy is doing the same thing, so if you can hit a guy in one shot with less than a second of aiming, then you pump gun players don't have a problem, ohwait, getting hit yourself is a problem. so if the other guy can put out 13X more shots than you then he has that much more chance of hitting you than you have him

[elTwitcho]

Thank you simon, you the man

[simon woodstock]

Originally posted by elTwitcho
Thank you simon, you the man
aww shucks twitcho, you know i'm just trying to convince myself to sell my spyder and get an impulse, pluss, i really think electros are better

[Skull]

I never said nething bout shootin at the guy with a pump gun... fo one if u get into a dead shootout hehind a bunker pump on semi the semis gonna plaster the friggin pump player for lack of fire power. For another i miss understood what twitch was sayin, i thought he was talkin bout like a foot or leg or somethin stickin out from behind a bunker, i didn't think he was talkin bout like a movin head or gun or etc. In that case u would be correct

[simon woodstock]

thank you, i agree pumps can be good for certain things but the most important thing is this was settled like gentlemen. not the savages we really are

[davidb]

Hey Simon, is your trigger job one that you made up or found instructions for? Can you give me instructions or a link or something? Spyder trigger pull needs some serious shortening, any help you could give would be greatly appreciated.

[Skull]

lol.. ya i think thats y u don't c to many tourny players with pump guns. Most pump players snipe, cept fo a few good men who can actually use an auto trigger, which really makes the whole point of a pump gun useless.

[simon woodstock]

Originally posted by davidb
Hey Simon, is your trigger job one that you made up or found instructions for? Can you give me instructions or a link or something? Spyder trigger pull needs some serious shortening, any help you could give would be greatly appreciated.
it's compiled jobs that tlpluss (a mod ont he site) made up. it's in the blowback section, probly in the middle of the page. it helps alot, especially the trigger stop and return stop, all i did was shorten the stop, the return, lighten the return and lower the seat of the sear, don't worry, there's good instructions on the threads (trigger mod info or somehting like that and secret trigger mod info) any questions you have are probly answered in the replies to the forums. hey love to help. if anything was unclear just ask again

[simon woodstock]

here's the 2 urls
do the top mods 1st (you don't need to do the polishing if you don't wanna)
http://pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1017
and the final touch is in here
http://pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1293

[Phaelon Veritas]

having to pay for paintballcity/paintballdojo

[davidb]

I appreciate you responding so quickly, but I actually did my own trigger job in the meantime. Didn't polish jack, don't own a dremel tool, couldn't find a sleeve, but still managed to get my trigger pull down to one, single, solitary millimeter. Not quite mouseclick, but I'm happy. :D I used nothing but electrical tape! It's simply amazing what a little padding here and there with a few cents of electrical tape can do for your gun. Works on a Model 98, too. Pad the sear, pad the hammer, pad the trigger, then just put some more padding to stop the excess pull. God bless America (Taiwan too, I guess).