WGP Going After Companies.

[ShadowWalker]

http://www.flagpull.com

WGP started going after companies. g3pb (Jackal Machine) and Action markers so far.

[PeYToN-SS]

And so it begins...

[ShadowWalker]

the thing is that there are so many cocker fans that what they are doing doesn't matter. This should get rid of a lot of those crappy fockers too.the only thing that is kinda dumb is going after AM for the Illusion.

[PB_Matty]

Let the players decide on whether or not they want to buy fockers or knock-offs...Any patents that WGP has can't be around for two much longer can they? Didn't he start making them in the early to mid 90's?

I think it is unfortunate that companies are getting sued or threatened to stop making their products...the more choice the consumer has the better the competition will be for the buyer...

Now I know patents and copyrights are important, but Budd Orr has had plenty of time to make money off his design... Yes I agree that knock-offs should not be caleed autocockers, but most of the time it is the retailer and not the company that advertises them as such...can they be held responsible for that???

Lastly competition is healthy and will eventually promote the survival of the fittest...If what is being made is a piece of junk and a ripoff people will stop buying them...If it is a good reliable good valued product it deserves to stay on the shelves...And if WGP can't make the cut financially with the competition.........OH WEL!!!!! Thanks for the innovation..you've had your run BYE BYE!!!! But if these large companies can keep shutting downthe small ones all we'll have is monopolies... Which means they can charge whatever the heck kind of price they want to and if you can't afford it you'll just have to get a Syder!!!

WGP and SP need to take a tip from Spyder and let the competition play. Has the competition hurt spyders profits? Probably, but they are still the leading brand in their market, because they have learned to be more competitive than their rivals...something a company should be able to do without resorting to thinly veiled threats and lawsuits.:pissed:

[ShadowWalker]

Thats not how the business world works my friend. If they are entitled to their patents they can do what they want. Cocker and Autococker are also trademarked and sometimes other people use those.

[plushdragon]

the problem is wgp is going to lose big time if it goes to court.bud orr did not invent the cocker but palmer did.bud took palmer cocking block and put on a stack tub blow back frame.As it been posted before bud went to court a long time ago and tried to patten the auto cocker and failed.he was able to trademark the brand name "autococker".

[ShadowWalker]

I thought they had some sort of agreement now.

[Master-Duo]

I think that other companies should keep making some quality autocockers (i myself am a wgp fan).

That way, its not a monopoly and they dont over price their products, if they were the only auto cockers, that outkast would go form (current) $450 to probably somewhere around 600-700

[amhildreth]

although a company/individual is entitled to profits generated by patents, is it always good for the business as a whole? Just to play devils' advocate - how far would this sport be today if the U.S. military pursued the patents it obtained for electronic/magnetic trigger frames it designed in the 70's, and PMI and Sheridan went after every company that ever made a blowback-semi because it infringed on the PMI3/VM68 body designs and function. Just because it's good for the wallet, doesn't always make it the best overall choice.....

[ShadowWalker]

Patents don't last forever.

[triggerhappy33]

God, I wish people would listen. WGP CAN NOT sue for taking the design of the autococker. You konw why, no you don't because you don't know what your talking about. But being the nice guy that I am, I will tell you. Bud Orr does not have a patent on the autococker design. ONLY THE NAME. WGP can only go after companys that use autococker in their title that aren't WGP certified. Any questions?

[amhildreth]

very true, Triggerhappy. For most of these vague "cease and desist" orders, K2/WGP doesn't really have any case. What they seem to be hoping for is that the smaller companies will just roll over, instead of spending tens of thousands of dollars to go to court and prove they've done nothing wrong.

[LAMANTEthePBguy]

Originally posted by triggerhappy33
God, I wish people would listen. WGP CAN NOT sue for taking the design of the autococker. You konw why, no you don't because you don't know what your talking about. But being the nice guy that I am, I will tell you. Bud Orr does not have a patent on the autococker design. ONLY THE NAME. WGP can only go after companys that use autococker in their title that aren't WGP certified. Any questions? Which is still a big deal. The word "autococker" has some strange power of attracting people and making them think that the gun is good. Besides, would you want somone using your name without permission?

[PB_Matty]

Originally posted by LAMANTEthePBguy
Which is still a big deal. The word "autococker" has some strange power of attracting people and making them think that the gun is good. Besides, would you want somone using your name without permission?

Yeah, this seems to be the main problem... The problem is to my mind that we don't have a name that is really synonimous with the autococker design for use in focker advertising...

Timmies, bushmasters, shockers and everything have the really cool buzzword- electro-pneumatic

spyders and spyder clones nobody really cares about

But "autococking type" gun doesn't tell the consumer much.

If the word autococker wasn't used so much as a word like electro-pneumatic we wouldn't have a problem....

By the same token if it starts being used a lot like the term rollerblade which was originally a brand name, and finds it's way into common usage WGP will lose the copyright on it just like rollerblade did. Rollerblade is still a brand name, but since it is common now other companies besides rollerblade can make skates and call them rollerblades and encourage people to go rollerblading... this is probably why WGP is fighting so hard. I be tnow they were wishing autococker was just a fancy gun name rather than one that describes the function of the gun.

[triggerhappy33]

Yeah I know that WGP doesn't want companys to use the word autococker, I was just saying that it seems that everyone thinks WGP is sueing all non-certified "fockers" unless they have autococker in the title. All they can do really is make then take autococker out of the name.

[Ebonclaw]

I'm thinking WGP and SP are homosexual lovers when it comes to buisness practices....

[cockerhead]

Didn't he start making them in the early to mid 90's?

try like the early 80's.
And there is a little difference between WGP and smart parts. Smart parts sues because there is a solenoid used for firing the marker. WGP would sue because someone is trying to sat that there gun is the same as a wgp gun. That=wrong. Smart parts is like i'm suing because theres you use a lemon in your lemonade and wgp is sueing because you used the same name as my lemonade stand.

All in all i don't really care and neither should any of you because it doesn't really affect you it just something for us to b^tch about cause we got nothing better to do:idea:

[Phyexial]

That's just not true. WGP said they would sue Action Markers for the Illusion, which they never called nor claimed it was an Autococker. They said it was to much like an Sniper ( The mother of the Autococker), and that confused customers were buying it because they thought it was an Autococker/Sniper. Take a look at the article from AM themselves Here. (http://www.actionmarkers.com/amNews/amNewsArchiveK2Letters.htm)



*Update*

I have just been to the Action Markers website, and they seem to have become a little smarter. They have decided to restart the Illusion line, because they realized that the threats were empty and totally bullcrap. Read About It! (http://www.actionmarkers.com/amNews/amNewsCurrent.htm)

[nole16k]

Originally posted by Phyexial
I have just been to the Action Markers website, and they seem to have become a little smarter. They have decided to restart the Illusion line, because they realized that the threats were empty and totally bullcrap. Read About It! (http://www.actionmarkers.com/amNews/amNewsCurrent.htm) And they can thank Doc Nickel: http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=5839835#post5839835.

[spyder freek]

my thought on the cocker....its bud orrs, and he should get royalties, and well his is good quality knock offs, well arnt.

[Hellrunner]

donno if this has been said, but it'd be interesting if WGP sues Smart Parts for the Evolution X Autococker, or do they have a deal?

[Kowz_76]

Belsales makes the Evo X cocker, and WGP liscenses it.