Freestyle

[Drift or die86]

Does anyone have one? I hear they are reallllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy good. just looking for one. if you have seen or shot 1 how is it. i hear they are one of the best looking markers and that pics dont do justice. they do look pretty amazingly sick in the pics. if greg reads this can u tell me how many have been sold so i know my chances 4 buying a used 1 in a year? lol

thnx

phil

[yoda101]

i would wait a year and then look into a new one. The current FS's are sweet as hell (shot one at a tourny today) and all i can say is *drool* they are everything everybody says about them and then some. The efficiency is not the greatest but by all means NOT bad either, the marker obviously needs a bit more of a breakin window as by the end of the day seemed to be performing even better. From what i am hearing though there are some 3rd parties developing parts for the FS u may want to wait and see what kicks up.

[[Infusion]BigC]

Yar har I took advantage of the multiple selection choice to form the sentence "In a heart beat I would pick one up used in a year"

lol, but again, I'm poor. If I was loaded I would own one already. :P

[Drift or die86]

lol, but again, I'm poor. If I was loaded I would own one already. :P [/B][/QUOTE]

Wouldnt we all?

[gomster]

There are a LOT of good markers in that price range, I would have to do some hard core debating.

[lotus_esprit5]

Yeah same here. I like the Freestyle and would take it over a Shocker any day, but then there are a couple other guns in that price range that I would love to have. At the top of my list right now: CYBORG!!! Resistance is futile, assimilate or die!

[spyder_king06]

Yea the freestyle is so nice! If I had the money I'd pick it up in a heart beat. But since I dont, I'd look at other optioned first. Right now i really like the B2k4.....

[ShootPaint]

Originally posted by lotus_esprit5
Yeah same here. I like the Freestyle and would take it over a Shocker any day, but then there are a couple other guns in that price range that I would love to have. At the top of my list right now: CYBORG!!! Resistance is futile, assimilate or die!

The only reason to take a borg over a FS is the efficentcy. The FS owns it on the cycling rate, marker profile, recoil, weight, etc.... There are several others things that can be added but you get the idea.

I owned 2) B2K3's with PDS and I have sold both of them and moved into the FS. I can honestly say that the FS outta the box preformed better than my fully tricked out 2K3's. The only thing that isnt as good is the efficentcy. I have been working on this issue and hope to have something to show to everyone in the very near future. I am just trying to work out some final details right now.

I know that we have been able to take a stock FS and run it at 275psi and get around 800-1000 shots off of a 68/45 and with some new upgrades (not availible to the general public just yet) We are getting 1200+ shoots off of a 68/45 fill now. All this while running the pressure at 225PSI instead of 275. We are going to try uping the pressure to see if we improve on the shot count but right now we are pretty happy with the intial results.

Oh by the way did I mention it eleminates any 06 oring failures!!!!

[Kyser]

Im starting to seriously consider a freestyle later in the year. This summer is for getting some of my credit card debt in order and playing paintball with my trusty 98. Then towards the end of summer and into fall im probably going to pick up either a 2k4 w/pds or a freestyle. Doing the research and waiting to see what comes out for them in the time being.

[acdave]

I dont know about you guys but i would much rather have a dye lcd trix than a freestyle.

[gomster]

Originally posted by acdave
I dont know about you guys but i would much rather have a dye lcd trix than a freestyle. May I ask... Why?

[[Infusion]BigC]

Originally posted by gomster
May I ask... Why?

[acdave]

Originally posted by gomster
May I ask... Why?

I've never shot a freestyle but i have shot 2 other guns in that price range that i am sure would be better than it. The dye lcd trix and vikings. I play back so weght is not really a factor for me. I would rather have a trix or viking because of their effiency, awsome stock regs, upgraabilty, speed, and lack of recoil.

Just my :twocents: on the 2 guns that are IMO the best two guns in the 800-1000 dollar price range.

BTW the only thing that the freestyle has over those 2 guns is weight.

[gomster]

Originally posted by acdave


I've never shot a freestyle but i have shot 2 other guns in that price range that i am sure would be better than it. The dye lcd trix and vikings. I play back so weght is not really a factor for me. I would rather have a trix or viking because of their effiency, awsome stock regs, upgraabilty, speed, and lack of recoil.

Just my :twocents: on the 2 guns that are IMO the best two guns in the 800-1000 dollar price range.

BTW the only thing that the freestyle has over those 2 guns is weight. Alright, I was just curious.

They also have speed over them, I bet you that. Although, no one needs that kind of speed anyway.

[acdave]

Originally posted by gomster

They also have speed over them, I bet you that. Although, no one needs that kind of speed anyway.

Ever shot a viking with WAS board before? They rip sh*** up!

O and as for the dye trix. The freestyle may be faster stock but there are boards like the tadao 4 which will make it very fast.

[JustBunkered]

Originally posted by acdave


Ever shot a viking with WAS board before? They rip sh*** up!

O and as for the dye trix. The freestyle may be faster stock but there are boards like the tadao 4 which will make it very fast.
WAS'd vikings arent that great, believe me, pandora is the way to go. If you are going to spend that much money on a freestyle, viking, matrix, cyborg, venom bushmaster, vapor bushmaster, or any other high end expensive gun, it all comes down to what you like. You shoot what you like, you can't tell people to shoot a gun that you like because they may not feel the same.

[acdave]

Originally posted by JustBunkered

you can't tell people to shoot a gun that you like because they may not feel the same.

O beleive me I hate people who try to sit there and tell you what to buy. i was just saying what I would buy If i had 900 bucks lyin around.

[Drift or die86]

Paintball is ALL personal preferance. I dont care about weight, and as long as it will shoot 700 on one fill, i dont care about effecientcy. make sure if your gonna dropp 900+ on a marker you shoot it before you buy it. i shot an 03 bko b4 i bought my 04. i personally preferred the bko over a vertical cocker. i love speed! and mech cockers r like mac trucks compared 2 a bko. The freestyle has advantages over borgs, speeds, WASd vikings, and trix's but it always comes down to what you prefer. and BTW i didnt see a 400 dollar eblade in my near future with a cocker. Also since i play back my preferences are different then a frontman. i like speed and the ability to rain paint on any point of the field. My friend as a front man like small tight and fast (Dont ask me why since he has an A5 with an 88 4500 crossfire tank, and now he wants a shocker idk ask him lol) On that subject i dont think i will ever see an FS or a borg at my field. I know people who have shockers and a field near me rents Speeds (yea angel speeds w/ eggs) therefore i would not get an FS or a Borg unless it was asteal.
thankyou
have a nice day

im bored.......:sleep:

[ShootPaint]

Originally posted by acdave


I've never shot a freestyle but i have shot 2 other guns in that price range that i am sure would be better than it. The dye lcd trix and vikings. I play back so weght is not really a factor for me. I would rather have a trix or viking because of their effiency, awsome stock regs, upgraabilty, speed, and lack of recoil.

Just my :twocents: on the 2 guns that are IMO the best two guns in the 800-1000 dollar price range.

BTW the only thing that the freestyle has over those 2 guns is weight.

Maybe it is just me but the Viking is a LP Angel. I owned a Viking and personally didnt care for it. This doenst mean in someone elses hands that it wouldnt be a killing machine but in mine it didnt feel right.

As far as the Trix maybe I am missing something but the few that we have around here are not very efficent. At least no more efficent than the FS. I havent personally had the chance to personally tear into them and make sure they are being ran at their best operatings settings but I know from the factory three of the guys that got them had issues with both the HPR and the LPR on them. To me this doesnt say to much for their regs.

I can say that the recoil on them was quite low but the FS is honestly just as low as the Trix when the regs are adjusted properly.

As far as the upgradability of the marker they are far more upgradeable than the FS. But then again the FS has only been out for about 3 months now. I know there are least three people that are working on various parts for the FS and this number is surely going to grow as the marker gains popularity.

Last thing you said was speed. Here again we get back to personal opinions. I can tell you that I have held nothing in my hand to date, unless it had a board that ramped, that I can fire as fast as the FS. The trigger is one of the most adjustable triggers on the market. It has two selectable pivot points and three adjustments screws for the trigger availible to the user fromt he outside of the gripframe.

I am not saying that you have to buy the FS but if you are looking at a marker in $1000 price range then I highly recommend you add it to your list of markers to check out. I promise you you wont be disappointed.

[gomster]

Gosh ShootPaint, I love reading your posts. :love:

[acdave]

Originally posted by ShootPaint


I know from the factory three of the guys that got them had issues with both the HPR and the LPR on them. To me this doesnt say to much for their regs.

Wrong, the new 2004 dye lcd trixes ( yes they are the same 2003 lcd trix bodys) come with the new and improved dye LPR and dye hyper 2 inline which is amazing. Ive heard from several different relaible sources that the hyper 2 has the same internals as the AKA sidewinder which is bar none the best reg on the market. Also the new dye lpr is supposed to be one of the best LPRs for the trix now. THe old dye rocket and hyper one inline did suck. THey sucked very bad actually.

Just tryin to let you guys know the new stuff thats on the new dye trixes;)

EDIT: Another point for the trix. It comes with some of the best beam break eyes that are on the market!

[gomster]

Originally posted by acdave


Wrong, the new 2004 dye lcd trixes ( yes they are the same 2003 lcd trix bodys) come with the new and improved dye LPR and dye hyper 2 inline which is amazing. Ive heard from several different relaible sources that the hyper 2 has the same internals as the AKA sidewinder which is bar none the best reg on the market. Also the new dye lpr is supposed to be one of the best LPRs for the trix now. THe old dye rocket and hyper one inline did suck. THey sucked very bad actually.

Just tryin to let you guys know the new stuff thats on the new dye trixes;) I believe he was reffering to the earlier models.

Anywho, I heard from a few people the the hyper inline 2's sucked.

For best regulator on the market, I think that is reserved for the Evil Detonator.

[acdave]

Originally posted by gomster
I believe he was reffering to the earlier models.

Anywho, I heard from a few people the the hyper inline 2's sucked.


I am sorry to tell you that you are wrong my friend. Have shot 2 or 3 trixes with hyper 2's all of em got +/- 2 fps once they were broke in.

Originally posted by gomster

I think that is reserved for the Evil Detonator.

care to back that up either by personal exerience with both sidewinders and deonators and/or reviews.

[RainTreeBoy]

The hyper inline 2's (keep in mind the 2 part) are supposed to be very good regs. Lets not get into an arguement over what the best reg is, many people swear by there CPs, Sidewinders, Glads, and even Detonators (but most of the compliments from that come from people with omens, lol.)

And speaking of some of the best break beam eyes in the market *cough*PDS*cough*:) .

And i dont know about getting the FS. It seems like a great marker, but Id wait a bit, keep what you have now for a little bit and just see what happens with new ups for the FS, and get some more reviews once it becomes a bit more popular.

[gomster]

Originally posted by acdave
I am sorry to tell you that you are wrong my friend. Have shot 2 or 3 trixes with hyper 2's all of em got +/- 2 fps once they were broke in.Well, that is just what I have heard.

Originally posted by acdave
care to back that up either by personal exerience with both sidewinders and deonators and/or reviews. SURE! (http://pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=475861) :)

[ShootPaint]

Originally posted by acdave


Wrong, the new 2004 dye lcd trixes ( yes they are the same 2003 lcd trix bodys) come with the new and improved dye LPR and dye hyper 2 inline which is amazing. Ive heard from several different relaible sources that the hyper 2 has the same internals as the AKA sidewinder which is bar none the best reg on the market. Also the new dye lpr is supposed to be one of the best LPRs for the trix now. THe old dye rocket and hyper one inline did suck. THey sucked very bad actually.

Just tryin to let you guys know the new stuff thats on the new dye trixes;)

EDIT: Another point for the trix. It comes with some of the best beam break eyes that are on the market!

Well the three markers I refer to have been purchased within the last two months. So if Dye is still selling the 03 Trixes then you are correct otherwise I stand by my statement.

As far as the regs go I can say that the Sidewinder is a very good reg but just because someone copies it doesnt mean that it is going to be the same reg. I personally would take a CP reg over the Winder any day os the week. In case you didnt know I am a shop owner and I have access to just about anything that is one the marker and I have throughly tested everything that I talk about. I do not try to spew false information about products I know nothing about. Now back to the regs.

The reason for my choice of CP over the Winder is two fold. Price is the first reason and preformance is the second reason. CP's Grip reg has a patent pending design that allows the seal to be raised from the seat in a even motion unlike any other reg on the marker. This in turn gives it better flow and a more consistant recharge rate. Now as far as practical experience I have ran both the Winder and the CP and I was honestly very hesitant about changing from the Winder to the CP. However CP made me a offer I couldnt refuse. They sent me a reg to try. If I liked it great if I didnt just let them know why I wanted to use my reg over theirs. Needless to say by simply changing the Winder out for the CP my marker became more consistant thant before. I went from running + or -2to3FPS/shot to + or - .5fps. No that isnt a typo. My B2K3 ran this all the time.

Here is my favorite story about the CP Reg.

At a local tourny I was running a B2K3 and almost everyone there thought my team was a joke because we all ran B2K's. Even some of the ref's thought it was funny. The chrono judge didnt think so. After our third game I was chronoing off the field when I fired three shots.
First shot 275
Second shot 275
Third shot 275

Chrono judge looks at me and says will you fire three more shots for me. I wont penalize you if you have a hot shot I just want to make sure my battery is good.

So I fire another shot 275
Fourth shot 275

Cjrono judge yells at me wait wait wait. Just wait a second. After about a ten second delay he says fire again.
Sixth shot 276.

The chrono judge looks up at me and says hows that for consistantcy.

I tell him I have seen better. When testing the marker prior to coming up here I shot over 30+ balls ocer the chrono with no change.

He then replies with you must be kidding me. You did that with a bushy.

Moral of the story any marker can be good in the right persons hands. I just so happen to like the FS and the ICD products. I am not going to say they are the best that man has ever made but I am damn sure going to say that you need to check them out becuase they rival anything else that is out there.

[Danman69]

You can tell if it is the 04 Dye Matrix LCD if it has a smaller LPR. Its almost half the size of the ones on the 03.

[acdave]

Originally posted by ShootPaint

I personally would take a CP reg over the Winder any day os the week.

Same here (check sig);)

[wakeupandbord]

Originally posted by gomster
There are a LOT of good markers in that price range, I would have to do some hard core debating.

Same Here, I always research before I buy for at least 2 months everyday online searching and asking people. I think im gunna buy the freestyle and sell my TES.

What other guns are in the $950 price range that are equal in preformence to the Freestyle?

[gomster]

Cyborgs, Vikings, Trixes, Angels, E-Bladed Autocockers, Shockers (ewww), etc.

[ShootPaint]

Originally posted by wakeupandbord


Same Here, I always research before I buy for at least 2 months everyday online searching and asking people. I think im gunna buy the freestyle and sell my TES.

What other guns are in the $950 price range that are equal in preformence to the Freestyle?

Here you are asking for a opinion, so that is what I will give you.

There are a couple of markers that stand out in this price range that for the most part have a proven design record. The current versions of the markers have been shown to have some issues but these are things that I am sure will be worked out in the very near future. With that said if I was going to purchase a marker in this price range I would look at one of the upper end Timmy's (even though the difference in them are almost purely cosmetic), Trixes. Unless something has changed as of recent I would recommend two more markers but they are going to be very hard to find in the near future. Those are the LVL 10 Emags and the Viking.
I would not recommend the Shocker. Not because it is made by Smart Parts but due to the issues that I personally have had with one of my customers 03 Shocker. The new Vertical Max Flo constantly cut the oring on the HPR piston. It had major FSDO issues, very poor quality anodizing and the eye was almost useless.

There are more markers in this price range but IMHO most are over priced and fall behind in the advancement areas that other manufacturers have taken to produce a $1000 marker. Again IMHO I believe the Timmy is one of they most over priced markers out there but they have a such a big following, not to mention NPS backing, that they are one of the top dogs in this marker just from shear exposure.

No matter what anyone tells you the only way to truely decide which marker is best for you is to shot the marker that you are wanting to purchase and make sure it feels right in your hands. For some that may be a FS for others it maybe a Trix but never let someone tell you that XYZ marker is better just because it cost more or the name it has on it.

[wakeupandbord]

Im not sure which to buy but my friend recently bought a Shocker and I liked the feel of it and his is completely Low matnience. I want a marker that is well known so i can help with it because i always seem to have problems with a gun that nobody can help me with. I might jut end up buying a used timmi but the only reason i might not buy a Shocker is because I HATE SP and they should die a horrible death because they are greedy money sluts.

Just two questions.....What does FSDO and IMHO stand for?

[lotus_esprit5]

Well I love the single-bore design on the Freestyle. I am more of a front-player, so I care about size and weight, and in that department the Freestlye without a question beats the Cyborg. As for speed, how are the electronics in the Freestyle any faster than the Borg? The Borg has 12 million trigger reads per second and adjustable bounce settings (I just think thats cool on a stock board). So is the Freestyle faster because of it's single-bore design? I'm not arguing with shootpaint or anything cause I would lose but I would like to know how it is that the Freestyle is faster given that both guns have very quick boards. It seems to me that they would both be fast as hell and there would not be a wide enough margin to choose a definate winner.

Also, I like the Borg because you don't really need many upgrades for it. It already has a great inline, valve, and LPR, gets good efficiency, and runs at a very low pressure (200psi for inline and 50psi for LPR). Plus it looks cool. It's not all fancy and milled out like other guns, but the proportions and solid-looking cuts look sturdy, like a Viking or Excal, but it is a bit racier than those guns because it does have a little milling and a fade anno job.

So I guess its just personal preference, and I would have to shoot both guns before I made a decision about buying one. As of nw, if I had $1000 I would probly get the Borg. But if I had $2000 I would get a Borg AND a Freestyle.

[lotus_esprit5]

FSDO=First Shot Drop Off.

Yep, its harder to find ICD certified techs and ppl who know stuff about ICD products than it is with SP. Freestyle has better eyes and better trigger, maybe its a little faster, but if you feel more comfortable maintenance-wise with a Timmy or Shocker, then go with that. Nothing sucks more than having a gun that you love, but not being able to use it cause its broken and you can't find anyone to fix it. But I do all my own maintenance and repairs on my Bushmaster, its not too hard.

[acdave]

Someone should get this moved to the electro markers forum and get it sticked.

anyways with a stock dye trix the only thing that you will have to worry about is the bolt kit. Think about it. With a dye lcd trix with a freeflow bolt kit you gget 1500 shots off a 68/4500, 20+ bps, one of the most consitant regs out there, one of the best if not the best eye system out there, and a stock barrel that goes through the same boring process as the dye ultralite.

The only disadvantage i see with this gun is its weight. Which actually as much as people say it is. It actually weighs about the same as a viking.

[JustBunkered]

Originally posted by acdave
The only disadvantage i see with this gun is its weight. Which actually as much as people say it is. It actually weighs about the same as a viking.
That is not true, I have held a viking and a dye matrix and the dye matrix weighs more. The freestyle definitly owns all these guns in weight, but not a lot of people look into how much a gun weighs, they look more are speeed, eyes, consistancy, efficency. All and all, whatever marker you purchase in the price range of all these guns should be an excellent marker for you.

[ShootPaint]

Originally posted by lotus_esprit5
As for speed, how are the electronics in the Freestyle any faster than the Borg? The Borg has 12 million trigger reads per second and adjustable bounce settings (I just think thats cool on a stock board). So is the Freestyle faster because of it's single-bore design? I'm not arguing with shootpaint or anything cause I would lose but I would like to know how it is that the Freestyle is faster given that both guns have very quick boards. It seems to me that they would both be fast as hell and there would not be a wide enough margin to choose a definate winner.

You can look at speed in two different areas. There is the mechanical speed of the marker as well as the electronic speed of the marker. You can have one set high than the other and have a marker that will not preform to said level. For example the Borg may have the ability to read 12million trigger pulls per sec but there is absolutely no way this marker can cycle this quick. Now it may sense this many trigger pulls but I am sure there is a BPS Cap on the board as well. This will ignore any additional trigger pulls and in turn reduce the BPS of the marker should there be more pulls than the max CPS allowed.

With the electronics coveres lets goto the mechanical limitation of the marker. I do not know the mechanical limitation of the Borg. I am speculating that it will be in the high 20's to the low 30's. There are five things in the Borg that will effect this number. First and foremost is the HPR. It must be able to supply enough air to the marker to allow everything to work properly. Next would be the LPR followed by the Solenoid, the Ram assembly and finally the valve. Each one of these devices will have a mechanical limitation. The device that has the lowest cycling rate per sec is going to determine your maximum mechanical cycling rate for the marker.

When you know the limitations of electronics as well as the mechanics you can then make a closer comparison of the two markers cycling rate.

The FS's electronics are capped at 80 trigger pulls per sec. This is also its max electronic cycling rate.

The Mechanical cycling rate of the FS is unknown, per ICD. Again I am turning to speculation. I am guessing the solenoid will cycle around mid 30's maybe even as high as the low 40's.

If my speculations are correct this would lead to my previous statement of the FS being the fastest marker I have ever shot.


Also, I like the Borg because you don't really need many upgrades for it. It already has a great inline, valve, and LPR, gets good efficiency, and runs at a very low pressure (200psi for inline and 50psi for LPR).

With the new valve I am playing with right now I have the pressure down to 225psi on the HP side. We field tested the valve a week ago and had major improvements in the preformance of the marker and the efficentcy of the marker. I am sorry to say that the notebook we were taking notes on mysteriously came up missing and I have no solid efficentcy numbers right now. We are hoping to do some more testing this week with a couple of new items for the valve.

Anywho I have rambled long enough.

[lotus_esprit5]

Alright Travis thanks for clearing that up. I agree, the Borg board has to be capped, there is no way it would shoot 12 million times per second, but that does show that it is extremely sensitive, making it easier to shoot extremely fast. I figured it was probly mechanical because of the different designs.

Anyway, keep it up with those Freestyle upgrades! We'll have to wait and see what you come up with.

[chibissj]

As far as the freestyle is concerned, I think it's damn ugly, but if I got the chance to shoot one, it sounds like I'd like it enough to buy one.

Anyone know the weight of these things?

[RainTreeBoy]

Originally posted by chibissj

Anyone know the weight of these things?
1.8 lbs.

[lotus_esprit5]

I think it would look ALOT better if they put a normal 45 frame on it. The stock frame is kinda weird, makes it look like a water gun. But maybe its easier to shoot faster on it or something, i dunno...I like the milling, although the side panels are a little big and overdone.

Weight, according to ICD's website, is "just under 2 pounds". I think it weighs an ounce or two more than the Shocker. Don't know exact weight though.

[JustBunkered]

you can take the side pannels off, I agree with you though that they do make the gun look dumb, but I've seen ShootPaints freestyle which has the side panels on and it looks hot!

[gomster]

The side panels on look much better in my opinion.

[ShootPaint]

Originally posted by lotus_esprit5
I think it would look ALOT better if they put a normal 45 frame on it. The stock frame is kinda weird, makes it look like a water gun. But maybe its easier to shoot faster on it or something, i dunno...I like the milling, although the side panels are a little big and overdone.

Weight, according to ICD's website, is "just under 2 pounds". I think it weighs an ounce or two more than the Shocker. Don't know exact weight though.

The Shocker is suppose to come in at 1.9lbs and the FS comes in at 1.8lbs.

So unless SP has shaved a few thousandths off that body somewhere the FS is still lighter than the shocker. If ICD wanted to make it the lightest marker on the market I am sure they could. There is still quite a bit of metal that can be removed for several internal and external parts.

[wakeupandbord]

SP could always do that but that could also end up making the gun a little less durable.....

So from what I have heard so far I think i will prolly go with a shocker or a DYE Matrix LCD because nobody around me really knows about ICD and i wont be able to get it fixed.

But anyway what should I get a Shocker w/vision for $899 or a Matrix LCD for $825?

Could someone tell me the difference between these two Trixies on Action Village.com?

http://www.actionvillage.com/paintball-guns-dye-paintball-guns-dye-matrix-paintball-guns.html

http://www.actionvillage.com/paintball-guns-generation-e-matrix--paintball-guns.html

[rhchilipepper4]

There isn't much metal that can be shaved off the 03 shocker, its body is already really thin. I forget where i heard it, but some guy said that if anybody wanted to work on custom milling for the shocker then they might have to add to the body, because there wasn't enough to be shaved off.

[[Infusion]BigC]

Originally posted by rhchilipepper4
There isn't much metal that can be shaved off the 03 shocker, its body is already really thin. I forget where i heard it, but some guy said that if anybody wanted to work on custom milling for the shocker then they might have to add to the body, because there wasn't enough to be shaved off.

I believe ShootPaint said the FreeStyle had quite a bit of metal that could be milled off, not the 03 shocker.

My cousin is trying too choose between a Shocker and a FS for his next marker.

We went to a local field today and he test shot one. Unfortunatly, there was something seriously wrong with the FS he tried. The sickest shoot down ever, like it would randomly/under high ROF just sputter out a ball. I'm thinkin the regs were dirty and setup improperly causing this (I mean, the gauge was reading about 200psi, which seemed low to me but the guy insisted the marker was "already setup" when I asked for an allen wrench to adjust it). In fact, the gun couldn't have been shooting any faster then 100fps at any point. We removed the barrel (since the marker wasn't even cycling at first) and discovered the marler as filled with all kinds of paint (cmon people TURN ON PDS! THE SWITCH'S RIGHT THERE!).

Oh yeah, the guy at the shop also tried to tell us that becuase my friends tank was high pressure output, it would make the FS run really bad and somehow make it much less effecient... strange, first I've heard of tank output affecting effeciency in any way :rolleyes:

On top of all that, my cousin forgot his Z-Board Egg at home and all the shop had with a 12v Revvy that was low on batteries... mmm think of the strings we were ripping...

However, my cousin did comment that he felt the FS was lighter and came out wanting to try out a properly maintaned and setup FS, rather then just righting the FS off as an overpriced piece.

So yeah, I was really bummed out when I discovered how horribly messed up the FS we got was. I feel like me and everyone that witnesed the said shape of that FS, have been done a horrible injustice. I DEMAND SHOP OWNERS PUT MARKERS ON THE WALL ONLY IF THE ARE CLEAN AND READY TO FIRE! Tell me you do this ShootPaint, or at least don't had someone a totally F'ed FS/Bushy/BKO to test shoot.

Man, I'm still sorta frustrated about that. Oh well, sorry if I'm rambling.

[gomster]

Originally posted by [Infusion]BigC


I believe ShootPaint said the FreeStyle had quite a bit of metal that could be milled off, not the 03 shocker. I believe he was stating that the 03 Shocker could not have that done to it and not trying to reiterate what Travis said. :P

[lotus_esprit5]

To further Gomster's statement, I think rhchilipepper4 was saying that the Freestyle could theoretically be much lighter than it currently is, while the Shocker really can't get much lighter. In fact, that thing about adding weight when they do custom milling is true. The Dynasty Shocker is a little heavier than the normal one.

Shootpaint, about the weights, I'm afraid I have been a victim of AICDBS (Anti-ICD-BS). So there you go folks, you heard it here! The Freestyle is lighter than the Shocker!

Also, with the trigger frame, do you know whether or not a normal 45 style frame is in development? Maybe that isn't as big of an issue with other ppl, but I cant really get past the stock one.

[JustBunkered]

Originally posted by lotus_esprit5
Also, with the trigger frame, do you know whether or not a normal 45 style frame is in development? Maybe that isn't as big of an issue with other ppl, but I cant really get past the stock one.
I do not know if they are making an aftermarket trigger frame for the FreeStyle yet, but I know on the Infidel FreeStyle it has a more comfortable looking trigger frame.

To see the Infidel FreeStyle click here (http://pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=521847&highlight=%2Binfidel+%2Bfreestyle)

[lotus_esprit5]

Oh yeah I saw that. Think I posted there too, my PBN name is vanquish_v12. Looks like a 45, but its tough to tell from that angle.

[JustBunkered]

If you ask me, it reminds me of an alias trigger frame.

[gomster]

It won't let me see it.

[JustBunkered]

Originally posted by gomster
It won't let me see it.
there is another picture floating around somewhere on PBN, hmm... I'll find it for you!

[JustBunkered]

Sorry for the double post...

This (http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=540608&highlight=%2Bfreestyle) picture should work for you guys if the other one didn't.

[Kyser]

Between that angle and the fact that it doesnt have the anno/grips/ect. makes it hard for me to judge if im going to like it or not. But interesting none the less.

[JustBunkered]

Does anyone have pictures of the BB Freestyle?

[rhchilipepper4]

Originally posted by lotus_esprit5
To further Gomster's statement, I think rhchilipepper4 was saying that the Freestyle could theoretically be much lighter than it currently is, while the Shocker really can't get much lighter. In fact, that thing about adding weight when they do custom milling is true. The Dynasty Shocker is a little heavier than the normal one.



Somebody understands me!!!;)

[gomster]

It looks ok, the frame is the best part about it, other than that, I like the ICD FreeStyle better..

[ShootPaint]

Originally posted by JustBunkered
Does anyone have pictures of the BB Freestyle?

Sorry ICD wouldnt let me take any pictures of the BB while I was up there but I did get to see one :) Mum's the word. I also saw something else that was that I cant say anything about.

Now there is one thing that I can talk about since the picture is floating around the net now.

ICD has came out with a new grip frame for the FS. It is much like a Timmy Clam Shell 45 Frame. To me it doesnt feel as good as the current FS frame but it does have a longer trigger than the stock frame which makes it easier for me to walk the trigger. Other than this I didnt see any major improvements in this frame over the frame that is coming with the current FS. I personally prefer the 60* or whatever angle they are frames over the 45 so those of you that like the 45's more will enjoy the new frame that is coming out.

By the way I was the first one to sport one of these new frames. I just wasnt able to show it to anyone until the pictures came out. I honestly tried it for a little while then went back to my original frame to me it was just a better fit.

[JustBunkered]

Originally posted by ShootPaint


Sorry ICD wouldnt let me take any pictures of the BB while I was up there but I did get to see one :) Mum's the word. I also saw something else that was that I cant say anything about.

Now there is one thing that I can talk about since the picture is floating around the net now.

ICD has came out with a new grip frame for the FS. It is much like a Timmy Clam Shell 45 Frame. To me it doesnt feel as good as the current FS frame but it does have a longer trigger than the stock frame which makes it easier for me to walk the trigger. Other than this I didnt see any major improvements in this frame over the frame that is coming with the current FS. I personally prefer the 60* or whatever angle they are frames over the 45 so those of you that like the 45's more will enjoy the new frame that is coming out.

By the way I was the first one to sport one of these new frames. I just wasnt able to show it to anyone until the pictures came out. I honestly tried it for a little while then went back to my original frame to me it was just a better fit.
Can you get us a picture of a freestyle with the aftermarket 45deg frame?

Also, I do not know if ICD will let you give this information out to the general public, but can you tell us if there are any major changes to the bonebrake freestyle compared to the ICD freestyle or is it just a new milling and anno?

[artshark]

I'ma start hanging around the ICD forums a tad more, considering there is a BKO in my future and probably a few years down the line a Defiant. (remember what Bob Long did before he had his own marker?!)Also, I hate the people at AGD forum :pissed:. Yes, the Defiants will be 5 or more years old at that point, but people still shoot old Mags, right? As to the Freestyle, BAM! ICD exploded on the pro-scene, giving WDP buyers with a bank accounts being taxed a low budget enemy. =-o What's the main difference between a Freestyle and a B2K4 PDS? I guess the reg on the FS is better, and so on and so forth, but conceptually, aren't tehy both 3 mode tourny guns with semi locks?!

[gomster]

Originally posted by artshark
I'ma start hanging around the ICD forums a tad more, considering there is a BKO in my future and probably a few years down the line a Defiant. (remember what Bob Long did before he had his own marker?!)Also, I hate the people at AGD forum :pissed:. Yes, the Defiants will be 5 or more years old at that point, but people still shoot old Mags, right? As to the Freestyle, BAM! ICD exploded on the pro-scene, giving WDP buyers with a bank accounts being taxed a low budget enemy. =-o What's the main difference between a Freestyle and a B2K4 PDS? I guess the reg on the FS is better, and so on and so forth, but conceptually, aren't tehy both 3 mode tourny guns with semi locks?! The FreeStyle and the B2K are two TOTALLY different markers.

They have the same HPR's on both markers.

[RainTreeBoy]

Also, the Freestlye is a blow forward, with a single tube body. It comes with a better board than the B2K, but appearantly is having problems with efficiency at the time. Some people are working on aftermarket parts for it at the time. But like gomster said, unlike the BKO and B2K, the FS and B2K are two totally different guns.


And btw, why do you hate people in the AGD forum? I find them nice and very helpful. Are you just mad because they pretty much proved you wrong about the stuff you said about Mags? Anyways, sorry, i shouldnt talk about this here, if you feel the need to take it further, go to the PMs.

[lotus_esprit5]

yep B2K4 and Freestyle are completely different gun designs. Same inline though. I'm assuming you know how a stacked tube design works (Bushys, Impy's, etc.) For a better understanding of how the Freestyle works, check out the moving bolt diagrams on the Shocker forum on PBN. They should be either in the FAQ or have their own sticky. That should show the differences in design, and maybe give you some ideas as to what an aftermarket Freestyle bolt might look like. The single-tube gun is a pretty cool design. Much less reciprocating mass, meaning less kick. Also, supposedly, the Freestyle's design inherently allows a higher maximum ROF than the stacked tube design. However, the Bushy's max ROF is like high 20's, low 30's (conservatively) which is plenty fast. The Freestyle mechanically can do 80bps. So main advantages are size and kick.

[artshark]

Ah. Ok, this is clearer. Conceptually, though, my question wasn't answered. >_> But enough technical information was supplied. I know enough about the stacked blow backs with the bottom and top bolt assemblies and blah blah....so the FS is one single tube style body? OK. Mechnically possible 80bps? :eek: Is that in vaccum with no friction? Your bolt would be shredded. I thought it was the other way in high end guns: boards outshoot the actual guns. Oh well. Maybe you can spit out 80bps with a 1/2 gram trigger pull. :D


Art

[gomster]

Originally posted by artshark
OK. Mechnically possible 80bps? :eek: Is that in vaccum with no friction? Your bolt would be shredded. I thought it was the other way in high end guns: boards outshoot the actual guns. Oh well. Maybe you can spit out 80bps with a 1/2 gram trigger pull. :D Capable of 80bps...YES! :)

Any after market board could outrun the FreeStyle, because they are capable of about 143bps-167bps.

I highly doubt anyone could walk the trigger 80 times, but you could get pretty close with a fully auto 2K4 Chaos Board.

[[Infusion]BigC]

Ahem. The FS is ELECTRONICALLY limited to 80bps.

I take that to mean they can get the selinoid to move faster then that.

ICD hasn't been able to cycle it fast enough to make it fail physically. :P

[rhchilipepper4]

Originally posted by JustBunkered

Can you get us a picture of a freestyle with the aftermarket 45deg frame?

They aren't 45 degree frames. All 45 frames are called the 45 frame, because they were based off the Colt 1911 .45 caliber handgun, not because they are at a 45 degree angle.

[artshark]

Cool. Cross compatibility between Colt pistols and paintball guns. 8-) Haha, just kidding.


Art