Which gun should I buy?

[davidb]

I have recently come into some money (kidnap ransom + bank robbery + drug deal + blackmail + I got a job doing medical transcription). In a couple of months I'm going to be able to afford a very nice gun. I have heard absolutely nothing but good about the Intimidator, and if I had to decide right now that would be it, but like I said, I have a few months, and I'd like to take EVERYTHING into consideration. I don't want an Angel. Nothing against them, I have no problem whatsoever with Angels or with people using them, but they're just not for me. Also, I'd like to know, just how low pressure can you make a Timmy, and how is the gas efficiency on one.
BTW, I also plan on getting a Max Flow tank, so CO2 operation is not a factor.

[elTwitcho]

With the max flow, you can do the LP mod, which involves just taking the spring out of the top reg, and taking the pin out from the valve. Maybe 2 minutes of work to disasemble and reasemble it and do the mod. With this, you're looking at about 180 psi, and it pretty much removes the kick completely. My teamate (Dave) had a huge part in designing the matrix, so I got to try his, and though it was very nice, I really liked the intimidator better, and that was without even taking gas efficiency into consideration. Running about 180 psi, I get maybe 800 shots off a 68/300 tank, so the efficiency is great. Mine gun was also firing a whole lot more consistent than alot of other people's at skyball, so that was fun too. Every single person I let dry fire the gun, said they were really impressed, and the guy with a freeflow cocker even called his buddy over and said "You gotta try this" which i think is a testament to how absolutely great the gun is. Definately a good choice, on a side note, the only ball I broke all tourney was in the end of my barrel putting my squeegee in when someone bumped me and my thumg just happened to be at the end of my barrel. Other than that, no breaks, and not a single problem

[Intimidator]

Like he said!

[davidb]

Heh, I was hoping you two in particular would answer. ElTwitcho because you seem intelligent and experienced and you are a mod, and Intimidator because you seem intelligent and experienced. Besides, you both own Intimidators... One of the Timmy reviews on this site said that the trigger has a lot of side to side play. Is this true, and, if so, can it be fixed? If you put a Lightning bolt into it, could you take the pressure even lower? How about a Vigilante Reg? How good are the stock regs in the Intimidator? I know it's open bolt, yet it still has a reputation for having good accuracy and range (don't worry, I know myths when I see them) so I figure this must mean it's pretty well regulated. Why do people think that the Angel is faster than the Intimidator? They both have adjustable triggers, right? My theory is:
A. The Angel has a long-standing reputation for being the fastest.
B. The Intimidator has an anti-chop eye, and will only shoot as fast as paint is being loaded. THIS IS A GOOD THING!
Anyway, 14 bps is faster than any hopper can feed, and it's already obscenely fast anyway, so who cares?

And most of all....... WHICH COLOR SHOULD I GET?!?!?!? It pisses me off, they all look absolutely awesome. They should have made three or four of them ugly so I would be able to decide. Right now, I haven't ruled even one of them out, and I don't prefer any one over any other. A paradox...
Oh yeah, one thing I forgot to mention (believe it or not). My local field (The Paintball zone in Waterford, CA, http://www.thepaintballzone.com allows full automatic, and variations thereof. So I'll actually get to USE the select-fire options! Imagine that!

[Intimidator]

You want the trigger to have some play. Bob long says it helps you fire the gun faster. Adjustable trigger on the timmy is awsome! You will not find a better trigger (I think)! I have not used the Lightning bolt but I hear it helps a bit. You can do the LP mod and this helps a lot. You need a Reg for this. http://www.pettypb.com/timilp.html Look here for that.

ElTwitcho likes the Vigilante Reg I like the gen x reg. http://www.paintballguru.com/reviews/equipment/regs/genx.htm
Look here for that.

Angels are not faster than the Intimidator. You have to factor in the ball breaks, which you should not get with a Timmy because of the eye.

Oh, the blue one looks cool.



[Edited by Intimidator on 03-12-2001 at 11:20 PM]

[elTwitcho]

The side to side play is tiny, in a game you dont notice it, but there is enough of it that the way I've set the trigger will let me fire the gun insanely fast drumming my fingers along the side. There is a little bit of play, but not enough that you notice it when it's gassed up and you're firing. Stock regs are real good, though I like the LP mod, which makes the top reg into a volumizer, and totally takes out what little bit of kick the gun did have. If you really wanted to get rid of the side to side play, you may be able to put a shim in the side of the trigger, which would get rid of it, but it truly isnt an issue. As for being fast, you wouldnt want to be shooting an angel faster than 14 bps because it would be chop city, and if your field will let you use enhanced firing modes, turbo and reactive are insanely fast, so you'll never ever complain about the gun being slow, trust me on that :) I have the blue and it looks awesome, though the gold is cool, and the black/grey fade also looks good. It's like you said, they all look pretty nice. Only one I'm not a huge fan of is the purpleish colored one

[davidb]

Oh don't worry, I knew the Angel wasn't faster. I was just wondering why everybody thinks it is. Besides, even if it was, no hopper could keep up, and even if they could, 14 bps is damn well enough! The M16 can't even shoot that fast (close, though :))! Do either of you know how fast an 18v revvy can feed? I'm considering getting one. How exactly do you adjust the trigger on the Timmy? Can you do it without taking the gun apart?

Also, one question for Angel owners... What makes an Angel worth costing not far from TWICE as much as an Intimidator? In fact, I'm going to get mine through My-friend-with-a-dealer-license, so I am getting mine for almost exactly HALF of what an Angel LCD costs. What makes the Angel better? Hell, what makes it even AS good? Is it just more expensive because labor in Britain costs so much?

Which brings me to YET ANOTHER point. You have to respect Bob Long and Co. for selling the Intimidator for so cheap. I'd be willing to bet that if they had made it as much or more money than the Angel then more people would think the Intimidator was better.

[elTwitcho]

If you look at the trigger, the face has three screws in recessed holes. These are firing point, pull length, and spring tension. Simple messin with the screws will allow you to change any aspect of your trigger. Side to side play is good, the way I pull my trigger is to rest my finger on the corner of the face and the side of the trigger, and rub my finger forwards and back, alot faster than actually pulling a trigger, and you can see what I mean if you look at the ematrix video, that's how I pull my trigger, and you need a bit of side to side play to do it


http://www.diablodirect.com/markers_frame.html

The video is there, cool video even if you dont own an ematrix

[davidb]

WOW. Can you get a Timmy shooting that fast and quiet?

That's cool with the adjustable trigger. Man-oh-man I can't wait to get one of these (Intimidator that is). I have a friend who's dad used to own a paintball store, and they have shot EVERYTHING. He and his dad each have a tricked out Automag and a tricked out minimag, and they have a TS1 Select and about a half dozen tricked Spyders. Both of them have insanely fast trigger fingers. It's really amazing to watch them, they can shoot their Mags pretty much dead even with how Stark was shooting that Matrix. I'm not exaggerating. The father has been playing since "back in the day" and the son has been playing for over 6 years. They're not real big on electros, probably just because they have gotten to such a razor sharp edge with their mags. My friend's name is also David. David is an occasionnal tourney player, and he's very good. He's shot Bushys, Shockers, Novas (I know not an electro), all kinds of Angels, unless it's brand new, (EM1, Matrix...) you name it, he's shot it and probably has a friend who has one. But he doesn't like electros in general. He can honest-to-god shoot faster with his mag. Then, one of his friends invited him over to the chrony to try out his Intimidator. He, was of course, skeptical. Now, seeing this guy shoot his mag makes my jaw drop. Shooting the Intimidator made HIS jaw drop. To quote him, ":eek:OH MY GOD!:eek:" He now says that the Timmy is the only gun that can "outcycle my mag", and it's his new favorite gun. It is his dad that I would be getting the Intimidator through, for about $650. God I love being connected. When I approached him about getting one, he told me if I get an Intimidator he's going to jump me and steal it... Of course, he and his dad have been just awesome every time we've gone together (ever have someone offer to buy all your paint for the day and then let you use his super-fast gun? He did buy my paint, too, not just offer.), so I'm going to have to let him use it lest I feel bad, or get jumped. That should tell you something, though. Of all the Super-Guns this guy has used, the Intimidator was the one that really impressed him and became his instant favorite.

[elTwitcho]

I shoot my timm at that speed semi auto, it' easy when you just move the trigger side to side, and it's nothin special to a timmy, a bushey or other electro can do it too. The timmy is actually a slight bit faster than the matrix (higher ROF cap, which you wont hit with either gun in semi). From shootin my buddy Dave's matrix though, it is quieter, but the timmy is by no means loud. The majority of noise on my gun is from the quick disconect rattling. The timmy is actually quieter than the matrix in that video, but the thing being, the matrix in the video is dry firing, making it LOUD, while a timmy with a ball is a heck of alot quieter than that. And of course, matrix with a ball is even quieter still :) Point being, if you think that's quiet, you'll be blown away. Also, if you get your timmy, get an adjustable air source (adjustable tank, or inline reg, your choice) that will let you go down to about 220-280, you can run your timi at about 180 psi if you can get your input down to 250, and then it's even quieter, and has no kick, You just have to take a spring and a pin out of the gun, big bonus, with little cost :)

[davidb]

Wait. If your input pressure is 250, how does the gun run at 180? I mean, if you turned the HP reg into a volumizer, then after the inline or adj. tank there's nothing left to regulate down, is there? (I can't figure out how to make that sound nicer, but it's meant to be just a question :)) I've played with people using Timmy's and other electros before, but I've always been too busy with my own shenanigans to pay attention. Are they quiet enough with the LP mod that you can shoot without being heard by the person you're shooting at? I'd always been under the impression that you couldn't get a gun that quiet, but hey, who knows...

[Firehawk]

Well if your rolling in the cash, buy a Sandrige Cocker F5...try to get one with fishbone milling....SCHWEEET! It's an electro cocker....yummy, too bad it's so heavy, and i hear the fishbone milling makes it so fragile that it can break in half lol

[elTwitcho]

The regs are designed weird, so that rather than powering the ram movement reg at 70, and continuing to feed the volumizer chamber to be up to 250, it stops at lower, like around 200. It doesnt make a whole lot of sense, and I cant explain how it happens, but I've seen timmies with guages all over, and that's how it works out. Go figure

First i have to say most people around here have loads of money and a really really upgraded Bob Long Intimidator. I do know by using friends guns though that the Shocker is extremely accurate. The intimidator is really fast. the shocker has great distance. The intimidator is really expensive. I don't know anything bout matrix. But since your field offers full auto i would go for the intimmy. But you just have to have distance.