anti syphon x-chamber rt for 98C

[PB_Corpsman]

multiple questions so i don't know if this is the right section. i'm new to pb so bear with me.

first, what's the dis/advantages of the anti syphon and the x-chamber? also, are the effects of a remote line and an xchamber the same? (not in my original post)

second, since they both have similar effects to an end - prevent liquid CO2 from getting in the gun. if i get one, do i really need the other?

third, what's benefits of having a small bore barrel? big bore barrel?

fourth, what exactly is the effect of installing an rt on my 98c? will it have burst shots? full auto? no place i've been to has a clear explaination of it. not even tippmann's website.

thanks for the help

[timmyfreaker]

Anti siphon>x chamber IMO. they are both designed to stop liquid from entering your marker, but the anti siphon is the only one that actually works. Get the anti siphon, not the x chamber.
The benifits of having different bore sizes are to match your paint to your barrel for better accuracy and effeciancy.
The rt resets the trigger after each pull faster than the spring. It increases your ROF, but is not tournament legal because you can sweetspot it and if you do it right, it will go full auto

[E r y k]

Originally posted by PB_Corpsman
multiple questions so i don't know if this is the right section. i'm new to pb so bear with me.

first, what's the dis/advantages of the anti syphon and the x-chamber?

none, what the anti siphon misses, the x-chamber will get :P... if you cant get an x-chamber, go anti siphon first... please dont install it yourself unless you are sure what you are doing.

second, since they both have similar effects to an end - prevent liquid CO2 from getting in the gun. if i get one, do i really need the other?

refer to first post

third, what's benefits of having a small bore barrel? big bore barrel?

i dont see any benefits... just get a barrel that matches what you shoot.

fourth, what exactly is the effect of installing an rt on my 98c? will it have burst shots? full auto? no place i've been to has a clear explaination of it. not even tippmann's website.

its basically a piston behind the trigger mounted in the grip which pushes the trigger back up for you. if you hold it just in the right spot (sweetspotting), then you will get a full auto effect

thanks for the help

[PB_Corpsman]

additional question:

what's the dif with x chambers and low pres chambers? thanks.

[ace6160]

I don't believe you can get a lpc for a 98c.

[PB_Corpsman]

not a lpc. i dont know if that's the same as xchambers. i've seen plenty 98C's with xchambers. there's even a GTA xchamber.

[ace6160]

Originally posted by PB_Corpsman
not a lpc. i dont know if that's the same as xchambers. i've seen plenty 98C's with xchambers. there's even a GTA xchamber.

They're not the same.

[PB_Corpsman]

Originally posted by ace6160
I don't believe you can get a lpc for a 98c.

there' you have it. you said that they dont make lpc for 98Cs. i wasnt asking about LPCs. i was asking about xchambers. thnx for the info tho. i didn't know LPCs and Xchambers were diff.

[ace6160]

An x/c eliminates most liquid co2.

A lpc helps to reduce the chance of shootdown. Most spyders have lpc's.

[p8ntba11dude89]

a low pressure chamber comes with the low pressure kit

[PB_Corpsman]

never mind the low pres chamber kit for now pls. my ? referred to x chambers. tnx

[AgentOrange]

Originally posted by ace6160
An x/c eliminates most liquid co2.

A lpc helps to reduce the chance of shootdown. Most spyders have lpc's.

It really varies gun to gun. The LPC (I know they call it that but its really just a marketing scheme) is just a volumizer that doesn't really do much for the sypder.

An LPC on a 98c will possibly increase effciancy, lessen your kick, and allow you to use LP intended paint.

[timmyfreaker]

A LPC does just as much on a spyder as it does on a tippmann. It allows a volume of gas to be in reserve for the valve to call upon. It becomes more and more necessary as you lower your operating pressure.

[PB_Corpsman]

Originally posted by ace6160
I don't believe you can get a lpc for a 98c.

they do have a lpc for 98C; check it out:
http://www.paintballoutlet.com/detail.asp?pid=22772

[AgentOrange]

Originally posted by timmyfreaker
A LPC does just as much on a spyder as it does on a tippmann. It allows a volume of gas to be in reserve for the valve to call upon. It becomes more and more necessary as you lower your operating pressure.

It does have more value as you go LP on a sypder, but stock its just marketing and misleading. Because it doesn't, it makes people believe the marker is LP (which that alone is just hype to begin with, or the selling point behind it at least).

[Turambar]

Originally posted by PB_Corpsman
never mind the low pres chamber kit for now pls. my ? referred to x chambers. tnx
Read this again folks.

[Coenen]

Alright it's time for some definitions and vernacular here.
LPC = Low Pressure Chamber, a.k.a. Volumizer, gives the valve more air "at the ready" to prevent shoot down
LPK = Low Pressure Kit, drop in kit that allows Tippmann markers to run with low pressure. The kit includes an LPC so that the marker has more air to use in the even of prolonged fast firing.

Now, there IS NO stand alone LPC that can be easily fitted to a 98C, in fact the I believe even the one on the LPK is a permanent fixture.

Now an Expansion chamber allows liquid CO2 time to expand as if flows towards the marker. In it's gaseous state CO2 provides greater efficiency, consistency, and is easier on the internals of the marker. Liquid CO2 is actually MORE consistent than gaseuos, BUT it's also VERY inefficient, and harsh on the internals of the gun, which after a period of use can cause problems.

A LPC simply gives the marker a larger resevoir of air to draw on, it serves to prevent shoot down at high ROF by supplying more gas quickly, whereas an X-chamber allows the CO2 to changes phases and power the marker more efficicently and cleanly.

YES, for the most part, the effects of a remote and X-chamber are the same, they moth serve to allow more time for the CO2 to expand and become gaseous before entering the marker.

ERYK pretty much got the rest of it. When he says "get something that matches what you shoot" in reference to barrels, he means get a barrel that matches the bore size of the paint you are using. If you are using many difference kinds of paint, just get one big bore barrel and be done with it, the benefits of a barrel kit on an open bolt marker like your Tippmann are minimal at best anyway. Check out the Barrels and Paint forum stickies for plenty of info on bore matching and bore sizes of different paints and barrels.

[E r y k]

nice job coenen:tup:

[AgentOrange]

He's right as always.

[PB_Corpsman]

tnx all. tnx coenen for just the righ xplaination i was looking for and then some. now let me head over to the barrel forums. thnkx.

[Coenen]

Thank you Eryk and AgetnOrange, and you're welcome PB_Corpsman