RT Valve sucks?

[Valadian]

This weekend at the field there happened to be 3 mag owners. Two with classics and the third with a two week old RT mag. The RT owner told me that it was the biggest mistake he'd ever made by purchasing the RT and that he chopped paint all the time and the gun didnt have much range. I didnt get a chance to watch him too much while playing but it did appear that he chopped like a madman, always was cleaning out his barrel and gun. The two other mag owners also told me that if you get a mag, stay the heck away from RTs cause they were designed as "after thoughts" and that they're not very good or reliable and a waste of money. What do you all think about this? Unfortunately I didnt get a chance to shoot the guy's RT to try it out for myself. You think he just doesnt know how to shoot it? Are RTs really not worth getting?

[Halliday]

2 week old RT?
1) Give it a case or two of paint to break in the valve.
2) Give the shooter a case or two of paint to learn how to shoot a Mag.
Was he using a 12v Revy? It might not have been "chopping," the paint might have been too big for the barrel. Belive me, I know. :rolleyes:

I have a Classic valve on my Hypermag with Warp Feed, and I did 10bps just fine today. The RT might not be the "end-all be-all" of Mag upgrades.

[Valadian]

Yup he had a revvy, like I said I didnt watch him too closely so I dont know what kind of paint he was using and I didnt see him chopping paint. Only watched him shooting once and he seemed to be shooting fine, I dont know, but it sorta seemed like he was wailing on the trigger a little too much...but I've never shot an RT so I dont know what its like. I was just concerned cause I've been thinking about getting an RT Micromag, but if its true that the RT valve isnt worth it then I might just go with a standard micromag.....
Any suggestions? (yea I know, shoot an RT so I know I like it)

[mInImAg169]

He probly just had a lemon, but, was he shortstroking? I hate it, I'm used to the trigger now, but every once in a while, in rapid fire, I short stroke, and I'm out for the game. This guy needs to get a refund from agd or something.

[Valadian]

I was wondering that, is it possible that he got a lemon? He even said he needed to probably send it in to get it fixed. No clue if he was short-stroking, he did tell me that his last gun was a spyder, so maybe the trigger is so different for him that it screwed him up, who knows?

[paintster14]

IMO there is no difference in stock and RT valve expect for maybe a few bps and the reactive trigger idea because at paintballchannel.com the have a mag with STOCK valve and hyperframe doing 16bps with a halo and no shootdown so obvisouly the stock valve is sure as **** fast enough to keep up with what u need

[Valadian]

Im wanting a micromag, so would you lot just suggest that I go with a standard instead of an RT? Can you get a 2000 micromag with vert feed thats non RT? I dont think I recall seeing them anywhere, but Im probably wrong.....gonna go check...

[paintster14]

if ya want a RT get it i just dont see the point in the $270 for one

[Valadian]

Ok you're not following, what Im wanting to know is if an RT is worth getting, I dont want one if its nothing super important or if its not gonna make that big of a difference between it and a standard valve. If an RT is good then yes, I want one and I'll get one. If its not then no I dont want one.

[ciaran.mooney]

erm Yes. a ReTro valve has a ROF that can *almost* equal that of an electro, thats why they use it in E-mags. Also you've probably noticed with the A.I.R. valve that if you shoot at a high ROF that your shots will lose range, until you slow down. Well that is elimated with a ReTro.

Hope this helps you choose.

[paintster14]

a mag looses range on high rof with a air valve umm NO go to www.paintballchannel.com and watch the odessy halo pball vid its of mag with halo,hyperframe,and STOCK valve doing 16bps with no shootdown if you dont believe me go watch it yourself and no way in hell is any finger gonna pass 16bps so a RT is good for the reactive trigger otherwise no use

[ciaran.mooney]

RT's dont use the A.I.R. valve they use the RT valve, thats why in that video you can get 16bps with no shootdown.

[DefiantMan3901]

from what i understand the automag the halo is being tested on is a special verson, not sure how.
but in another video they have the e-mag vavle (rt based right?) doing 18 with no shoot down.

[paintster14]

ok this time listen in the video they are using the STOCK i repeat STOCK valve at 16bps no shootdown

[ciaran.mooney]

The RT valve is a STOCK valve, for RT mags, the ReTro valve is an UPGRADE for the Automags stock A.I.R. valve.

[a_malfunction]

The Retro valve is the same valve that is used in emags and rt pros. It is identical to the valve in the older RT in function, but not dimensions.

An AIR valve is quite capable of insane rates of fire. Shoot-down comes from a human's inability to pull the trigger perfectly.

A retro valve will only have shootdown at 27bps. Until you reach 27, you will experience shoot-up. Your velocity climbs a little bit as you fire rapidly due to the regulator not being given an opportunity to cool down.

A Retro valve is a great upgrade and well worth the $275. I didnt think it was worth it until I shot an RT. The reactive trigger makes it a lot easier to shoot fast. It also drastically reduces short-stroking. Retros are expensive. But are they worth it? Definitely.

And yes, the valve in the video is a stock AIR valve. From 1993. There are some other videos at automags.org that show a halo on an emag. It shoots them at 17 and 18 bps.

[ciaran.mooney]

Thanks for clearing that up. So i was wrong - to an extent sorry.

[mInImAg169]

Guys, hes asking a question. YES, the ReTro valve is worth it. It can shoot insanely fast and has a light trigger pull. Youll love it, that guy just probly had a lemon, or no foamie and crap hole paint. Trust me, the RT Valve will kick any other valves BOOTIE.

[Gundam V]

Valadian,
Another reason that person with the RT may have chopped paint could be due to his powerfeed plug. When Tom Kaye came to the field I play at I asked him about and he said that the design of the powerfeed plug has a small flaw. A parabolic powerfeed plug should fix the problem. Just stating another possibility.

[magtser2749]

foamies help chopping on mags alot