Shut your flapper, the lapco is not better than a boomer.

[old68]

Seriously, I have yet to find a review that compares the Lapco to a Boomstick. If you happen to come across one please provide me with a link.

[old68]

Oh yeah, not only did they use an old dusty DYE al they "had laying around", the PMI razzor barrel was the best performer??? why doesnt everyone boast how a PMI razzor barrel is better than their lapco?

[mr_bunny67]

Maybe those with Razzors are content in thinking that their barrel is better and see no need to brag about it.

[MikedaPber]

splattertimes.com go to barrel comparisons under technical... look at the lapco's results against dye's. And why doesnt anyone mention cps?

[in trauma]

boomsticks are the most overated and overpriced barrel out there!

if you want a good accurate barrel get a J&J ceramic or bigshot and save yourself some money

[old68]

splattertimes.com go to barrel comparisons under technical... look at the lapco's results against dye's. And why doesnt anyone mention cps?

Yeah, as I said, go there yourself, and actually read the acticle this time around. They don't test the boomer. They limited themselves to a used 10"barrel they had laying around. A dye aluminum is not a boomstick. There is no such thing as a free lunch. You guys just keep spouting about the mouth. What type of a retard would buy a 500+ dollar gun and try to save a measly 30 bucks buying a cheaper barrel, well, not me. Get the facts straight, there I have yet to see a review comparing a boomstick or ultralight to a LAPCO.

[TheZephyr]

The SP AA is almost as good as the boomy I'd say, and for much less. The lapco however, is inferior to the boomstick.

[MikedaPber]

Ok i am not going o agrue about this. Just give the facts
DYE BOOMSTICK
-very accurate
-quiet
-very overpriced
-hard to clean
-less efficiency
-bad with lp
-u pay 4 the name

LAPCO BIGSHOT/AUTOSPIRIT
-Just as accurate if not better
-a little loud; who cares
-cheap
-shoots out of a break in like 2 shots
-efficiecy is the best
-great on lp

Now come back when you have actually tested them against eachother on the same setup. Go to the sticky with all the paint barrel charts and comparisons an go to the michigan paintball one. Look at the graphs. Boomstick is in there along with the lapco

[Saiyan_warrior]

old68 I think you need to get your facts straight. A boomer isnt any more accurate then a lapco. Its all in the paint/barrel match that your using. Those are just reviews..which is PEOPLES opinions. So it all depends on the paint your using and sometimes the setup you have on your marker.

[old68]

Fact, I own an ultralight. Other facts.

I havnt broken a ball in it yet, shooting seconds too.

Shoots very accurate, FACT, ball on ball at 55' measured by MYSELF, off hand no tripod and VF.

Isn't that expensive actually.

What efficiency? I get alot outta my tank, have you done any tests? whats your point?

Bad with LP? Um, yeah? really? Hmm, then I guess alot of the pro's use boomers but dont use LP guns right? whatever.

Hard to clean? wow, you think cleaning the barrel is challenging then I wouldnt want to know how difficult it is for you to reply to my posts.

You are stating the lapco is "as accurate if not better", I have yet to see that. Stop spouting about the mouth, go do a review YOURSELF. If you like to boast about your lapco do it with facts, and provide me a link to your "facts", otherwise just dont mention it. By the way, the ultralight wasnt very expensive, I'll tell you if it shoots clean one of these days when I break a ball....

The ONLY FACT I got out of the review on times was that the PMI razzor barrel is a better performer than the LAPCO and a DY aluminum, thats a fact JACK! This does not equate to LAPCO or razzor better than boomstick. Go to a tourney and ask the pro's if they want a boomer or a razzor(PROVEN better than lapco).

[Saiyan_warrior]

if you go to a tourney and ask which is better..there will be different answers. Not everybody likes the same barrel. I have yet to see your facts about how a boomer is so better then a bigshot..show me the facts. The boomer isnt bad at all for lp use..whats it matter if pros use a boom and have lp guns..is it bad? Not all reviews on barrels are going to be the same. Some might say the razzor is better and some others might say the boomer or lapco is better..I mean really its the damn paint match that your using..its not that hard to learn.

[old68]

Dude, my point is not to diss lapco barrels, or razzor barrels. All I'm asking is for ppl to stop saying their lapco has been "proven" more accurate than a boomstick. I have yet to see a review where this was the case. I do not doubt that lapco barrels are good barrels, many ppl like them and some dont, I really dont care. I would just like to clear up some of the misinformation being spread around lately, such as rumors that there was a comprehensive test that proved the lapco outperformed a boomstick, I have yet to see this elusive tests.

I realize that alot of ppl bought lapco barrels and now resort to bashing boomsticks like they are lapco cheerleaders( rah, rah, rah,, gimme an L, gimme an A.. ). Then they MISLEAD ppl by telling them there is actually a web site that performed a "comparison" of the lapco and boomstick, then to top it off they claim the lapco surpassed the boomer. If you want to be a cheerleader and quote some non-existant comparison (lapco vs. ultralight or boomer) go ahead, be my guest.

[Codestar20]

Like Saiyan said, accuracy is all in the paint to barrel match. My friend has a boomy and the other a bigshot. Both are very accurate and nice shooting. I think the boomy is way over priced. At $105+ the $50 bigshot beats it in every way possible in price to performance ratio. Why keep aruging? Different people like different barrels.

[MikedaPber]

I told you where to go to get a comparson of both. Go to the paint barrel chart thread that is stickyed. Then look for the second link under barrel tests or whatever. as you can see, under group size, the bigshot is lower than the boomstick.

[MikedaPber]

Oh and im not dissing dye either. I even have a s/s and i love it. But im buying a new barrel just as good as it so i can sell it and use the proffit. Because i have seen oter barrels now such as the lapco. Someone should close this thread because its all opinion.... This could turn out to be the next MAG VS. COCKER" thread

[VeNoM]

i just go by experience, the first barrel i ever got use was a boomstick on my stock shutter, i thought it was awesome, but the i got to try out a big shot and i liked it alot more. i thought it was more accurate, i was laying shots on shots the pattern was very tight. so i stick with what works . . . lapcos. just because a barrel costs less than a boomstick doesnt mean its not as good (or better)

[Saiyan_warrior]

Originally posted by old68
Dude, my point is not to diss lapco barrels, or razzor barrels. All I'm asking is for ppl to stop saying their lapco has been "proven" more accurate than a boomstick. I have yet to see a review where this was the case. I do not doubt that lapco barrels are good barrels, many ppl like them and some dont, I really dont care. I would just like to clear up some of the misinformation being spread around lately, such as rumors that there was a comprehensive test that proved the lapco outperformed a boomstick, I have yet to see this elusive tests.

I realize that alot of ppl bought lapco barrels and now resort to bashing boomsticks like they are lapco cheerleaders( rah, rah, rah,, gimme an L, gimme an A.. ). Then they MISLEAD ppl by telling them there is actually a web site that performed a "comparison" of the lapco and boomstick, then to top it off they claim the lapco surpassed the boomer. If you want to be a cheerleader and quote some non-existant comparison (lapco vs. ultralight or boomer) go ahead, be my guest.
I have yet to see anyone that bashes boomsticks. All they mostly say that the lapco or any other barrel is cheaper and works just as good as the boomstick. I dont see any bashing in that do you?
And where have you seen this "misinformation" that has been spread around as that lapco was proved to be better then the boomstick.
Why post this thread when you really dont care whether or not lapco's are good. Everybody that plays paintball has they're opinions and dont take that for advantage.

[TheBigFish]

old68 where are the conclusive test results proving the boomstick is better than the lapco? You can't just start going on about how the lapco is worst than the boomstick and that people shouldn't bash the boomstick unless you have some your own proof backing it up.

And the main point that people "bash the boomstick" about is not that its a bad barrel, its the cost. For the most part there just saying that you can get simliar performance from a less expensive barrel.

[old68]

Why post this thread when you really dont care whether or not lapco's are good. Everybody that plays paintball has they're opinions and dont take that for advantage.

Because all I ever read is people complaining about the price of boomsticks. If you had 1000 bucks for your gun, you should have 90 for a barrel.


I went to the link you guys told me about. You guys are always saying it's all about paint to barrel match this chart seems to indicate they only used one type of paint for all the barrels.

this chart lapco vs. boomie with the same paint, what paint? (http://members.tripod.com/~MichiganPaintball/barrelstuff/barreltest.html)


tell you what though. I will buy a large bore lapco barrel one day and see for myself.

[MikedaPber]

Well, does it matter? The bighsot and the boomer are both what, 689 bore? SAME SIZE! so its saying with crappy paint- lapco slightly smaller groups
With quality paint- lapco slightly smaller groups.

If you spend 1000 for a gun you should have 90 for a barrel? U aint making scence. U are saying u would rather buy a barrel that is more expensive and popular than a barrel that is just as good and alot cheaper. There is a thing called saving money ya know. U could take the extra cash and get better stuff 4 ya gun!

[TheZephyr]

The dye has a little smaller group size, and is much quieter. But it costs twice as much. If you have the money, and like the Dye, than go for it. The lapco isn't as good, but in the end it all turns out to paint/barrel match and personal preference. I'd say keep your chump change and spend it on a reg or n2, and that will make a much more significant difference in your accuracy. Personally, I like the Sp AA better than the boomstick, its all preference.

[old68]

Just a little FYI. I tested my UL at 55' (came out to 60ft but my tape measure is 25'so I took off 5' just in case) and got tighter grouping than some the reviews I saw. And I did it off-hand aiming down the barrel, stock 2k2 VF cocker on CO2!!!. I dont have a boomer(stainless) because I wouldnt spend 100 bucks on a barrel, but 85 yes. Just a little food for thought.

Also, I had planned to get an AA, but I just took a chance on the ultralight as it was only $10 more (I had only seen a boomer in action, never an ultralight). I have seen the AA in action on a bushy and it's accurate too.

[Peter A.]

sumthing to think about for u cocker owners.recently my field did a test,they took two 2000 evolution cockers and chroned both at same sppeed.they turned on the revs and shot the guns at 2 targets both same width and length and delived around 20 shots(cant remeber exact number) one cocker had a bommer and one had a smart part aa.the all american shot more accurate and hit the target moore.the tagets were out 40 yards or so.also the cocker wit aa shot further when shooting at a empty field.

[MikedaPber]

Hmm... funny isnt it. Right when someone comes with facts that proves him wrong he shuts up and goes and makes another thread about dye barrels...

[old68]

Mike,

You are really starting to get annoying. I have an ultralight anyway. Are you done bashing dye now? I can discredit any and every review I have seen. Put it to rest. You're like a three year old that keeps wanting to stick his finger in a socket.

Another thing, this thread has absolutely nothing to do with the AA barrel. I have always praised the AA's performance because I have seen it's performance myself. I wouldnt rely on "some test" at "someones field" that does not provide what paint was used etc..

I also believe the ultralite outperforms the boomstick under most circumstances but I have not seen any reviews on the ultralight either.

[MikedaPber]

How in any way have i bashed dye? I ahve said numerous times that they are great, that i own one, and that the only thing wrong with them is the price and other small things. First you say to come up with facts but then u say u will discredit any actual test/review.

[old68]

Reviews arent always right, and findings usually vary. All reviews are performed under different circumstances and I can and SHOULD ALWAYS scrutinize them. The whole point of this thread was to stop other people from discouraging the purchase of dye barrels. I guess you didnt catch on to that yet, or didnt read the whole thread before you posted.

[MikedaPber]

When people say that cps and lapcos are just as good or better than dyes how is that discouraging people from buying dyes? they are meerly stating their opinion.

[old68]

Yeah, thats OK. I started MY OWN NEW thread to state my preference. I did not pop my ugly head into anyone elses thread about CP or lapco and start an argument or try to make fun of someone to start an argument. I wish I could say the same about you.

[MikedaPber]

Yeah... i just kinda got mad when u started comparing a cp or lapco barrel to a fat lady when something like that is preference. My appologies.

[MikedaPber]

Oh and by the way.... jeez maybe i can actually benifit from this thread :rolleyes: ... when u said dyes wernt bad for low pressure were u serious? Because thats an aweful lot of ports for 200 psi.
I could just cover the holes with electrical tape :laugh:

[old68]

Well, no actually. I think a boomer will work fine with LP. Last time I checked the "longer barrels are better" thread 5-6 inches is what it takes to accelerate the ball. The first 5 or so inches of boomsticks are unported backs. What do you consider LP? anything under 800? under 400? under 300?

[MikedaPber]

i would say under 3. 5-6 inches is for high pressure... its about 6-8 for lp

[pr0kch0p]

how do you guys manage to argue with this moron.

hes just like the idiot who got all pissy because someone gave his beloved JT 3.0 a 1/10 review.

i have a lapco bigshot ss, my friend has a boomstick. i would consider my accuracy to be on par with his.

stop whining about reviews, most of them are BS anyways.

[old68]

Wow, another proud lapco owner showed up to throw off an insult. This one is on the house pr0k. Next time I'll have to make some comparisons of my own.

[liquidsoul_sm]

Since you yourself don't even have a boomie you really should stop saying that they are the savior of paintball barrels. I have used them before on my BM. I ran my own tests at my field. Low humidity, exact same paint, everything was controlled: The lapco performed as well and better on some shots. Also, I took a caliper to my DYE boomie and found that it was an imperfect bore! Guess what, it did not remain the consistent .689 ; it actually varied to .686 I am not going to pay 110 for a barrel that isn't even made correctly. I contacted DYE and told them of the problem. After having to talk to several people they decided to send me a new one. I tried this one and it was still slightly imperfect, but not as bad as the last. Since this fiasco I decided to purchase Big Shots for all of my markers. Needless to say, I havn't turned back since. I will agree with you that the Ultralite is a nice barrel, but I don't think that it is worth 35 more dollars to have ULTRALITE written on the side.

[old68]

The ultralite has the same design as the boomstick. The only difference is the aluminum back. I was speaking of dye barrels in general, not only boomsticks. I also consider the ultralight part of the boomstick line. al boomer, fe/stainless and ti boomer. What is your point. Boomsticks are easy to come by on fields, I have popped off more than a few shots with a sto/boomer combo. Also, I believe two piece barrels are supposed to vary in bore size. The back of the barrel is supposed to be smaller bore than the rest. Take a barrel with inserts for example. The inserts tighter/smaller than the extension and tip.

[TheSickness]

the ultralight is a type of boomie so alot poeple just call them boomies. the ultralight wont be as acurate as a ironman or titanium boomie because the ultralight is entirely aluminum wich doesnt polish as nice as steel or titanium does. the difference that it makes is so small you can even notice it.

For the argument on wich is better- ultralights and bigshots/autospirits are about the same price, acuracy, the ul is a little quiter but isnt as good for low pressure because of all the porting. Either barrel is excelent. you can anodize all of the ul because of it being all aluminum but thats a cosmetic thing. i like both barrel. just choose which one you like.

[tones888]

1) I shoot a cocker and have used Dye boomies a good amount of time now. I also have used the Lapco Bigshot on many occasions too. In my experience, the lapco shoots out breaks much more effectively than the boomies. This has much to do with the FACT that boomies have a step in the inside of the barrel. the Control base is slightly smaller than the tip, so some paint will remain in the step when you squeegie or try to shoot out your breaks. I ended up selling my boomies and bought myself some a lapco 12 incher for that reason (with $$ left over). Accuracy wasn't an issue, since they were both very accurate.

2) here's the deal: the boomies are double the price of lapco's. But would you say that the boomie is 2 times better than the lapcos in performance?

if your answer is no, then you're paying too much for the dye in hindsight of the lapco, which is readily available on the market.

[tones888]

sorry bout that last post. i thought you were talking about boomsticks in particular.
i have a question for old68. how come you like Dye barrels so much? just curious as to what facts you've gathered thus far that points to Dye being so good. If you can convince me, then please do cuz i wanna see the light as well, if it's there to see.
peace!

[old68]

I'm not going to post about this anymore. My point was to let people know that DYE barrels are good. I did not start this thread to convince people. I don't need to convince anyone. I dont make a commision on dye barrel sales. If you guys want to tell everyone that stops by the forum how much greater lapco is I could care less. Go ahead and tell people that boomsticks break every single ball or curve every paintball. Thats fine. Sooner or later those people will see a boomstick on the field themselves, then they will evaluate the barrel and your advice, or whatever advice they got in this forum.

[pr0kch0p]

alright you are right, the boomstick is god, all barrels pale in comparison to its power.

lets all bow down and worship DYE for its greatness.

[davkad]

oh lord dye, please end this madness.

this incredibly lacking arguement is terrible.

Let people decide on their own instead of telling them to buy dye because of its "godlike" looks and upperclass prices.

[liquidsoul_sm]

You have the whole forum people against you old, give it up. We are all sick of it. DYE's are good, however, they are imperfect, overpriced. I will not even say overated. As stated before: two times the price...........But not two times the performance.

[old68]

Yeah, the whole forum does seem to be against me. I don't know why, every single person has said admitted that DYE barrels are A:expensive and B:Good performers.

People pay a premium to anno and mill their gun and other people will pay to own a dye barrel. I don't know what it is I said that gets everyone against me. Do I insult people when I say dye barrels are good? I went out of my way to say other barrels are good too. If all I am saying is buying a dye barrel is not automatically a bad choice

[Saiyan_warrior]

Originally posted by old68
I'm not going to post about this anymore. My point was to let people know that DYE barrels are good. I did not start this thread to convince people. I don't need to convince anyone. I dont make a commision on dye barrel sales. If you guys want to tell everyone that stops by the forum how much greater lapco is I could care less. Go ahead and tell people that boomsticks break every single ball or curve every paintball. Thats fine. Sooner or later those people will see a boomstick on the field themselves, then they will evaluate the barrel and your advice, or whatever advice they got in this forum.

You started this whole thread about how everybody puts down dye barrels boomsticks..whatever..and now you say that you care less if people continue. Let everybody else choose their own barrel, this forum is mostly for peoples opinion not for "dye is god" etc. And whats up with you and fat people let this be a warning to you. You know eventually a thread like this is going to end up as flames. Say what you want about dye barrels, they are good barrels but they are way over priced for some paintball players, which is why there is lapco, cp etc which is alot cheaper and just as good performance wise then the boomer.

[tones888]

i say you should agree with us in that dye is a pretty damn good company, and the same goes for many other paintball companies as well.

[old68]

You started this whole thread about how everybody puts down dye barrels boomsticks..whatever..and now you say that you care less if people continue.

I was trying to just back out of this thread because I saw it was turning into a flameball and it wasnt worth my time to keep getting flamed for saying dye is good. Pple just couldnt leave it at that and kept coming at me...

P.S. Nice job cleaning up our little mess there SW.

Not to put the 9" nails in this.

Dye is good, other companies are good. Buy what you like and can afford. Later.

[Saiyan_warrior]

Theres nothing wrong with saying dye is good which is stating your opinion. The only reason why people argued with you is because of the name of your topic ;)

HEh I had to clean it up..so it wont turn into a flame war..just part of my job :)

[old68]

Flame=//= argue

Yeah, this forum doesnt allow to change the title of the thread. I would have done that. Maybe something like "post here to join the dye fan-club".

[cartel]

just to make you happy there old man, i got a dye excel and a lapco. use my good paint with lapco and my crappy with dye. hehe...some months you get paid better than others.

[Pixel_sniper]

I have it! Old68 owns stock in Dye Precision, Inc.

;)

Anyways, based upon what I have heard here, and also my budget... eh heheh.... I am going to purchase a Lapco Bigshot rather than a Dye Boomstick. Old, I think you opened up Pandora's Box here...

[BourneKiller]

Originally posted by MikedaPber
Ok i am not going o agrue about this. Just give the facts
DYE BOOMSTICK
-very accurate
-quiet
-very overpriced
-hard to clean
-less efficiency
-bad with lp
-u pay 4 the name

LAPCO BIGSHOT/AUTOSPIRIT
-Just as accurate if not better
-a little loud; who cares
-cheap
-shoots out of a break in like 2 shots
-efficiecy is the best
-great on lp

Now come back when you have actually tested them against eachother on the same setup. Go to the sticky with all the paint barrel charts and comparisons an go to the michigan paintball one. Look at the graphs. Boomstick is in there along with the lapco

Some of your "facts" are a little skewed. Seeing as I have a gun operating at 300psi... and a boomstick... and I do fine. I could even go lower, but I see no need to.

Accurate? no, as Saiyan_warrior said, it's all in paint to barrel match. The Boomie is VERY well made, extremely good precision and all that. so that helps.

Overpriced? I don't think so... we're talking a MICRON 6 finish! That's smoooooth! And it's aircraft grade aluminum and surgical grade SS. Good stuff man.

hard to clean? Where are you GETTING this ideas? I can shoot my barrel clean w/ 2 shots (it's called stepped bore, dude ;) )

Less efficient? Perhpas you're thinking All American with it's 5billion porting holes. It's way efficient.

You DO pay for the name... but not as much as other companies (*cough cough* smart parts) :P

Lapco is a great barrel dude, it really is. But oyu're making the Boomie out to be crap. It is the most superior barrel there is out there (single-bore, not multiple bore), imo, and I've used the PMI Razzor, J&J Ceramic, CP One Piece, and Lapco Bigshot before I got my boomstick. I borrowed the CP and Lapco for a week or two, but never owned. I like the J&J just as much as the Lapco, and the CP better than both. Then the boomie was the best by FAR! I love it.

Lapco, CP and J&J are great for budget AND good quality. DYE is just better IMO.

As for my biggest pet peeve? Don't call something "fact" if you have nothing to back it up. Like the hard to clean boomie and bad for LP? That's simply not true!

[MikedaPber]

I posted in here like a century ago. Wow. I am an ***

[BourneKiller]

Originally posted by MikedaPber
I posted in here like a century ago. Wow. I am an ***

:) Live and learn man, hehe ;)

[MikedaPber]

The Ironic thing is, i recently bought a boomstick and put my lapco up for sale.

[BourneKiller]

Originally posted by MikedaPber
The Ironic thing is, i recently bought a boomstick and put my lapco up for sale.

:P:P *pats head* you have seen the light :P:P

[moldy_bagel]

aw quit ur yappin all barrels are the same in my eyes.
















alright, who took my bra? - michael jackson

[BourneKiller]

Originally posted by moldy_bagel
aw quit ur yappin all barrels are the same in my eyes.


That's great.

If they're all the same, then I have a great barrel for sale for you! It's ONLY $50 and is just as good (if not better, in your eyes) than a boomstick!!! It's called...

a hollowed out stick!

hehe

That's your opinion, they're NOT all the same, obviously, otherwise PROS wouldn't make distinctions about them, but still, you're entitled to your opinion. Have a good one!