What's the difference

[MuckRaker]

I was looking at the Difiants/Bushmasters on Paintballgear.com and saw an Eclipse Defiant. Other than the extra $500 on the price tag, anyone know what makes it so special?

I'm also wondering if there is any difference (other than cosmetic) between the Bushmaster and Defiant? The defiant seems to have a longer barrel, but is there any difference in the firing mechanism?

[Edited by MuckRaker on 03-13-2001 at 08:54 AM]

[Incube]

nothing just the price

[elTwitcho]

Defiant takes autockocker threads, bushy takes "stupid" threads. Defiant has slightly better looking milling (IMO), but the internals are exactly the same. When your bushey breaks down, you'd call up ICD who apparently have great customer service, defiant breaks down you'd call Bob Long, who I know has great customer service. In my opinion the extra money for the defiant is worth getting cocker threads, as every store I've ever seen carries cocker barrels, while Bushey barrels are common, but you may need to order them online. Other than that, it's the exact same gun

[MuckRaker]

And BTW, Who is this Bob Long chap? Really, I'm serious.

[elTwitcho]

lol, I sinceryl hope you've hit your head or something Muck... Captain of the ironmen way back in the day, and with that team completely dominated the tourney circuit until there was a falling out and the team broke up into the SC Ironmen and the Bob Longs Ironmen. Bobs Ironmen had an off period of about 4 years, not winning a whole lot of anything, then winning first place at the Mardi Gras this year. Bob is probably one of the best captains every to play paintball, many have described him as being the best at "walking the field" before games, and apparently a very cool guy in person. He makes the Defiant, Intimidator and millenium, and did some custom cocker stuff too I beleive.

[MuckRaker]

No, I haven't hit my head on anything, at least nothing I'm aware of ... I've seen the name, but had no idea who this person was, i thought maybe he was a fictional person made up by some company's marketing machine just to sell guns and gear. But now, you've made me believe he's alive and well.

Anyway, anyone know the difference between that Defiant and Eclipse Defiant?

[elTwitcho]

hehe, "And Bob Long comes down the chimney and brings all the good little paintballers defiants, and if you've been bad, he'll stuff your stocking full of Zap Seconds paintballs". I dunno about the eclipse defiant, but based on all the other eclipse stuff, it's probably got a better reg on it, slightly improved internals, custom milling and ano, and the trigger has probably been changed. I've never heard of the eclipse defiant before though, so that's a complete guess

[MuckRaker]

I want to say I saw the Eclipse Defiant on Paintballgear.com ... Who's the third-party manufacturer on Eclipse markers? They may have some info on their Web site.

Actually Bob Long dresses like a Rabbit once a year and hides Eggs filled with Chocolate-covered Milleniums, Defiants and Timmy's for all the Children to find.

[Paintball Monkey]

well, he was kinda right. If you have a Defiant you can go through ICD for support and it is good support. The main differences between the guns are subtle and up to you to decide if it is worth it.

The Eclipse BM2K is cool looking. The biggest difference is the blade trigger, LPR knob, HPR knob, i think the bolt, and the milling.

The Defiant has a nicer finish and ano job than the BM2K, it is more of a glassy finish. It has finger grooves on the grip ( i think they suck), accepts cocker threads (no big deal unless you have a bunch of cocker barels laying around), and it has bob long's name on it (big deal, especially since you don't know who he is ;) ).

The BM2K has the same internals as the eclipse and defiant. It has the regular .45 frame that accepts 1911 grips. The finish is anodized but the metal is grainy and rough compared to the glass smooth finish on the defiant and eclipse. The barrel threads are ICD, which is no big deal since most big barrel companies make barrels with ICD threads. i hope some of this helped, and good luck. If you get a BM2K, no matter what model, you won't be dissappointed, I LOVE MY DEFIANT!!!!!

[Paintball Monkey]

oh yeah, check out http://www.obdo.net

[Nemessis]

Bob Long is pretty chubby hehhe it had to be said :p

[MuckRaker]

Monkey, since the Defiant comes with a Reg, and is set up for low pressure, does it have to have an adjustable tank, or can you use a preset tank and adjust the PSI with the Online Reg?

[amargio1]

any of bob's guns are superior to the one's here...imho...but when it come's to cust.service delta (bob long's store) there is no one that beats it....this is well know throughout the industry...my 2 cents guys...lol and have fun playing a great sport..

btw the defiant takes cocker barrels

[Paintball Monkey]

The defiant and bushy both come with the same stock High Pressure Reg. It is recommended that one not use a preset tank on this reg, but people do it with little or no problems. It isn't the gun that has the problem with preset tanks, it is the reg. The reg is set up to take an input pressure of 500psi and preset tanks are designed to give an output pressure of 800-850psi. If you get a good aftermarket reg (vigilante or gladiator) you would have no problems using the preset tanks, because, as far as I know, they can accept input pressures of 850psi. Hope this helps...

[MuckRaker]

helps alot, because I want to avoid buying an adjustable HPA tank, they're are way to expensive. A good Preset and inline Reg still costs less than an adjustable tank of the same size.

[Auctionjunkie!]

Originally posted by Paintball Monkey
The defiant and bushy both come with the same stock High Pressure Reg. It is recommended that one not use a preset tank on this reg, but people do it with little or no problems. It isn't the gun that has the problem with preset tanks, it is the reg. The reg is set up to take an input pressure of 500psi and preset tanks are designed to give an output pressure of 800-850psi. If you get a good aftermarket reg (vigilante or gladiator) you would have no problems using the preset tanks, because, as far as I know, they can accept input pressures of 850psi. Hope this helps...

From the beginning ICD has said to keep the input pressure to the reg below 600. I've used 800-850 presets on lots of them with no problems. I have heard of other people having problems but personally I've not experienced any.

Dan
Manager, Team Wiseguys

[Paintball Monkey]

yeah, they also say not to use CO2, but people do with no problems... ;)