what should i get?

[spyderfreak01]

alright guys im confused about geting a extreme bko or an impulse. I like the impy more than the bko cuz i've shot a impy. so can you guys tell me how fast and how accurate the extreme bko is.........thanks for any answers!

[pbfrk101]

How do u know you like the impulse more if you have not shot a Bko? A bko will be lighter than the impulse and will not need a tapeworm for performance. The impulse comes with a much better stock reg. The bko uses a spring returned ram so it is mechanically capped at 18 balls per second though some people claim 20-22.The impulse uses an air returned ram thus a highe cps. The bko will not be any more accurate than the impulse, nor will the impluse be more acurate than the bko. The impulse comes with a better stock barrel. There is also a price difference between the bko and impy. THe bko is 330 and the impy is 425. With the 95 dollars you could buy a nice hpr. Also IMO The Bkos look nicer. Just my :twocents:

[artshark]

On teh basis of BPS, the Impulse wins by a mere 2bps. Ok, 2, on paper that's better. In your hands, that's nothing significant. How easy is it to rip with an Imp? I fired one without paint. Nice pull, tad heavy, but solid, so it has a decent trigger. I heard the BKO's is very light, so.... Onto gas usage/performance. The Impulse is armed with a Max Flo. Hurrah, good reg. But, for the money you saved with the BKO, you could get a decent reg for around 45-50 (no, that won't buy you the best) and a valve. 30-35'll get you a Vapor/Zemnitram, both giving you top notch consistency and efficiency. As to barrels, you were gonna dump money on that Impulse anyway, right? Lay down some money on a nice 2-piece CP for your BKO.


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[lotus_esprit5]

Accuracy=same.
ROF=Impulse is faster because BKO is mechanically limited at 18bps.
Weight=BKO is lighter than Impulse. Impy is just a big unmilled block of metal.
Inline=Impulse wins. But it doesn't have an LPR, and needs a tapeworm.
LPR=BKO wins because Impy doesn have an LPR. But the stock inline isn't as good.
Trigger Frame=BKO. I have shot and played with several impys, including a Freak Factory and Ton Ton. The BKO frame is more adjustable and lighter. But Impy frame is still better than average, although the trigger itself is a bit bigger and therefore heavier than ICD triggers.
Stock barrels=Impulse might be a little better. I have seen that the quality of ICD barrels can vary from barrel to barrel. But the 04 barrels have generally seemed to be a bit better than previous years.

So thats a quick comparison. The Impy is a touch faster and has a better inline. BKO is lighter, has an LPR, doesnt need tapeworm, and has a slightly better trigger. With the $100 you save by getting a BKO, you could get a CP inline ($60) and CP 1-piece ($40). Or a CP inline and valve ($34-$36). Of course, BKO's dont come with bottomline ASA's like Impys do. But with the $25 or so that it costs to buy a Tapeworm for an Impy, you could buy some sort of bottomline for your BKO. Also, Impys come with high-rises, so you would want to replace that with a low-rise. BKO's come with low-rises stock from the factory. So lets add up these expenses:

Impulse: Gun ($430) + Tapeworm ($25) + low-rise ($35)=$490.

BKO: Gun ($330) + Unimount ($35) + CP 1 piece ($40) + CP inline ($60) + valve ($34)=$499

So for the amount that it would cost to get an Imp plus the bare minimum upgrades, you could buy a BKO (which is lighter, and has an LPR and better frame) plus enough upgrades to slaughter the Imp.

Imp's are decent guns, I'm not gonna bash them. I've played with them and they are nice enough, although not as good as a Bushy. But the BKO costs so much less that you can upgrade it pretty well with the money you saved. I would go with the BKO. A big part of your final decision should be made based on how comfortable each gun feels to you. If the Impulse feels better to you, then buy it. If the BKO feels better, buy that. But I think performance-wise, the BKO is a smarter choice as long as you buy the right upgrades.

[spyderfreak01]

do you have to shorten the trigger on the bko when you get it?

[spyderfreak01]

alright guys, i just goin to go with you guys on the bko.....thanks for all the information on the bko!

[acdave]

Originally posted by spyderfreak01
do you have to shorten the trigger on the bko when you get it?

yeah ya do. Most people dont really liek how it feels outa the box. At least i know i didnt.

[artshark]

An Impulse may be better out of the box, but a BKO simply encourages you to upgrade, and, with 100 or so dollar, easily top an Impulse. So yeah, go ICD. 8-) I feel bad giving SP money after the suit, but that shouldn't affect my opinions of their products.



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[Kowz_76]

Adjusting the trigger is a snap. I figured it out in about 2 minutes.

[acdave]

Originally posted by Kowz_76
Adjusting the trigger is a snap. I figured it out in about 2 minutes.

Yeah its prety easy to get the feel for adjusting it.

[RainTreeBoy]

[Originally posted by artshark
An Impulse may be better out of the boxWhile I dont fully disagree with that, also remember, when you buy an Imp, it will need tapeworm. Also, A BKO comes stock with an LPR, and the Imp doesn't.

Let me also throw in something else out there. First of all, dont listen to the BS people say about Imps having more upgrades. More upgrades needed at first? Yes. More upgrades available to the gun? No. More companies that make aftermarket parts for imps? Yes. The main difference is more companies will makes parts for Imps, otherwise they can be upgraded virtually the same.

Also, just to mention anti-chop system. If you decide to get eyes on your BKO, PDS will be better than SP Vision. PDS is break beam, Vision is reflective. Plus, you can get cheaper methods of anti-chop for the BKO, like the SP Mod. Lastly, if you even think of buying an Imp w/ Vision, definetely look into a B2K instead.

[spyderfreak01]

i want the bko, but its just hard to find upgrades for it. i can find impy parts really easy. do you guys have any site where i can find bushy parts? thanks a lot!

[RainTreeBoy]

Sites dedicated mainly to bushies:
www.shootpaint.com
www.tantrumpaintball.com
Other Good sites:
www.shop4paintball.com
www.cepaintball.com

[yoda101]

to add to that:

www.paintballtrader.com (http://www.paintballtrader.com) (makers of Vapor Products)
www.pbfanatics.com (http://www.pbfanatics.com)
www.countypaintball.com (http://www.countypaintball.com)

[artshark]

I just think an out of the box Impulse will be better overall because of Maxflo and the All American, a fine barrel. However, realizing if you put just a little more than the difference of the two into a BKO, you get a Imp-beater, no problemo. ANd yes, an Impulse needs a LPR.


Edit: All American is an old Shocker stock, or something. >_>



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[lotus_esprit5]

I just think an out of the box Impulse will be better overall because of Maxflo and the All American, a fine barrel

Besides the fact that you need a tapeworm, this is probly true. It is a more expensive gun, after all. But Impulses don't come with All Americans, they come with Progressives. Still, IMO, The AA is really just an expensive 2-piece Progressive, so at least you were only part wrong, as opposed to all wrong like usual. :D

the trigger will probly not be set up well out of the box. This is true of many guns. But it takes about 30 seconds to figure out how to adjust the trigger. You just use 3 screws to adjust pull length, spring tension, and when the microswitch activates. You will need a 2mm Allen Key. If you have a metric Allen Key set, you probly already have a 2mm Key.

For upgrades, the sites that Yoda and RTB listed will have just about every Bushmaster or BKO-specific part that you need. Another site that has a few things is www.airsoldier.com. There are tons of companies that make upgrades for impulses, and they are very mainstream companies and parts so more people know about them. But you can upgrade a bushy or BKO as well or better than an Imp if you know where to find parts and what the best parts are. There are less choices for BKO upgrades than for imp upgrades, but almost every BKO-specific upgrade is good, and you can upgrade almost every single part of your BKO. Hence, it is just as upgradeable as an Imp.

[artshark]

Less choices? :eyes: For a BKO, you can up the: barrel (duh, haha), inline, low pressure, bolt, valve...hm...some stickies and that's about it. But that's a lot!


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[gomster]

Originally posted by artshark
Less choices? :eyes: For a BKO, you can up the: barrel (duh, haha), inline, low pressure, bolt, valve...hm...some stickies and that's about it. But that's a lot!


Art You can up everything on the gun.

Feedneck, wiring harness, stickies, valve, HPR, LPR, ASA block, trigger frame, barrel, ram, bolt, pull pin...and more I suppose.

[yoda101]

the only thing stock in my bko is the body and tray, and even then those are custom anno'd

[gomster]

Originally posted by yoda101
the only thing stock in my bko is the body and tray, and even then those are custom anno'd Yeah, plus you can get'em milled.

[greenshoes3]

i had the same debate but came up with buying a bko and never regret it. :)

[lotus_esprit5]

:laugh:
Yeah, BKO's are just as upgradeable as an Impulse. What I was saying was, well, um here's an example.

Some guns have tons of aftermarket parts available. But for any specific part on the gun, there are like 3 mediocre aftermarket parts and one or two good ones that are actually worth the money. So who cares about the 3 mediocre parts? (check out how many bolts are available for Impulses, you'll see what I mean). But with BKO's, almost every single aftermarket part available is good enough that it is worth getting.

You can upgrade the inline, LPR, valve, bolt, frame, wiring harness, board, microswitch, barrel, get PDS, get new eyes for PDS, new LPR piston, inline ASA, replace the LED, new grip, magnetic mod, and ram mods. Only things you cant get are a new tray and body, and the screw that holds the valve in place.

[yoda101]

Originally posted by lotus_esprit5
:laugh:
Yeah, BKO's are just as upgradeable as an Impulse. What I was saying was, well, um here's an example.

Some guns have tons of aftermarket parts available. But for any specific part on the gun, there are like 3 mediocre aftermarket parts and one or two good ones that are actually worth the money. So who cares about the 3 mediocre parts? (check out how many bolts are available for Impulses, you'll see what I mean). But with BKO's, almost every single aftermarket part available is good enough that it is worth getting.

You can upgrade the inline, LPR, valve, bolt, frame, wiring harness, board, microswitch, barrel, get PDS, get new eyes for PDS, new LPR piston, inline ASA, replace the LED, new grip, magnetic mod, and ram mods. Only things you cant get are a new tray and body, and the screw that holds the valve in place.

not exactly true for awhile there people where doing custom bodies that were available, now if you really wanted to you could probably try and order an unmilled body from ICD and send it out to get custom made. I had heard ICD may of stopped doing this though u would have to call to be exactly sure.

[RaGeD P1NGA]

Originally posted by lotus_esprit5
:laugh:
Yeah, BKO's are just as upgradeable as an Impulse. What I was saying was, well, um here's an example.

Some guns have tons of aftermarket parts available. But for any specific part on the gun, there are like 3 mediocre aftermarket parts and one or two good ones that are actually worth the money. So who cares about the 3 mediocre parts? (check out how many bolts are available for Impulses, you'll see what I mean). But with BKO's, almost every single aftermarket part available is good enough that it is worth getting.

You can upgrade the inline, LPR, valve, bolt, frame, wiring harness, board, microswitch, barrel, get PDS, get new eyes for PDS, new LPR piston, inline ASA, replace the LED, new grip, magnetic mod, and ram mods. Only things you cant get are a new tray and body, and the screw that holds the valve in place.

u can get a custom milled body and tray from Greg at ICD...and the screw that holds the valve in place is the same screw that are used to plug the air holes if u dont use a gauge or something...

the only non-upgrade parts are the ram piston and the hammer...oh and noid kinda...

[gomster]

Originally posted by RaGeD P1NGA
oh and noid kinda... Yeah, kinda, because you can modify it.

[artshark]

I never really knew what the solenoid does. Does it trigger the cycling of the gun? :confused: Does air actually go through it. The only think I know is it's in the frame and it is stimulated by the trigger.



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