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mr. lobster
11-19-2001, 12:11 PM
is the voodoo full flow vert. adaptor worth getting as one of the first upgrades? does it actually help anything? and if not what are some other suggested first upgrades for an impulse?

FOM
11-19-2001, 12:44 PM
The VFF and an adjustable trigger (like the blade) are two of the most useful upgrades you can get. We sell a lot of Impulses and on a given Sunday, you might see 30 guys using Impulses on our fields. Without a doubt, fokes can tell the guns with the VFFs and blades.-- and they line up their guns on Monday at the store to have them modified!

FOM

mr. lobster
11-19-2001, 07:20 PM
righto, i know everyone says it's one of the best upgrades, and that it splits the gas supply to the valve chamber and solenoid, but what exactly does this do for the performace of your gun? smoother and more consistant right... but smoother and more consistant what? smoother trigger pull and more consistant airflow?

FOM
11-19-2001, 08:21 PM
Fist and formost, you elimate bolt stick. This allows you to try a much greater range of pressures with non vision guns. In the past, we always recomemded the user stay above 150 psi with non Visions. this is because IF you fire on an empty chamber with a Impulse at pressures below about 150, you often will not get the bolt to recock. (it not a problem on a FULL chamber as the ball creats enught back pressure to recock)

So the problem often is that your shootin along just fine, run low on paint, and suddenly the bolt sticks forward and the gun sounds like a unpluged air hose. That will not happen with the VFF. In fact i see fokes expermiting with pressure down in the 100 psi range (with the dwell adjusted) on these guns.

The other benfit we seem to see, is the guns simply seem to cycle faster. We have also found that you can exiperment with different pressure /dwell settings and get a "sweet spot" where the gun just seems to sing.

This makes sense because in the stock Impulse, the valve is pulling gas away for tne solonoid just when it needs it the most--to recock the bolt. With the VFF- the solonid is not starved and may just recycle faster.

We have also have many useres report that the VFF helps the "first shot low" problem. I can't honestly say this is a feature, but I have been told by so many that i have to pass it along.

If I were to build a custom gun that carried MY name <BMFG>, it would have the VFF on it STOCK.

FOM

HawaiianPenguin
11-22-2001, 09:58 AM
it just screws right into the gun as a vertical adaptor where you can screw in like a KAPP gas-though forefrip....correct?

Silent Knight
11-22-2001, 10:43 AM
and it also requires some tapping

HawaiianPenguin
11-22-2001, 07:14 PM
what's tapping take?

Exit Woundz
11-22-2001, 07:22 PM
What does an Eclipse Solenoid Optimizer do and why can't it be used with a VFF?

FOM
11-22-2001, 07:31 PM
The ESO (and SP tape worm) restrict air flow in the solonoid chamber. this prevents the gas being sucked out by the opening of the valve.

The VFF provides the Solonoid with its own air supply

Two different way of achiving the same thing.

Whne you install the VFF, you seal off the air passage the the ESO uses to get air into the solnoid chamber. and the ESO blockes the passage the the VFF uses to presurize the solonoid. If you used both, the solonoid wouuld get NO air.

If you have never taped a hole, while it is not hard, you might be better just doing the ESO. If you are buying a new gun and what the most important preformance upgrades installed at the time of purchese, then have the VFF put on the gun when you buy it.

FOM