Mags, not for Snipers?

[RecklessFable]

I play back a lot. In fact, as far back as range will allow. I don't really like speedball.

I keep hearing that "Mags are for front players, maybe you should get something else if you play back."

Is this true? Or are people just conceding that Cockers and other high end markers are more accurate? I'm looking to move up from renting 98s, so I'm sure anything is an improvment. But I still want to make the right choice.

[Echo]

from what ive heard and reviews ive read mags arent that great for back players, more for front players because of their smallness and light weight. You could use it in the back, but youd be better off with a diff gun, an m98 with good barrel is good for a back player, or youd want an auto .. depending on your price range.

[Vaypourus]

do you even own a mag echo?

My gun is heavier than hell. With my mag, the balls seem to get erratic at the end of their velocity. I mean the very end, the rest of the time it is extremely accurate. I cannot lob paint/ arc it in hopes that it will hit something. I have never had a problem with my paintballs being inaccurate at effective range. The most accurate guns I have shot are the electros....a shocker 4X4, angels, and a Bushmaster. If you are looking to be ONLY a sniper, consider a tippman 98 with a flatline barrel, a flatline autococker, or a shocker. An automag is an awesome all around gun.

[Richy_C]

I say nay for back, mags aren't fastenough, and the trigger requires a very quick jerk, which will set your aim off, espcially at speed.

[PiranhaAquaPhaze]

THERE ARE NO GUNS THAT ARE BETTER FOR SNIPING!!!WTF!!??
all guns shoot the exact same distance as long as they are shootin in the allowed fps!obviously a gun at 260fps will not shoot as far as a gun chroned in at 300fps, in the end its all the same. i dont lik mags cause they arent as consistent and their shot pattern is messed up at times, many will disagree but hey, its my opinion, love cockers, fast, compact, trigger is smooth, consistent fun as hell to shoot:D

[brett]

THERE ARE NO GUNS THAT ARE BETTER FOR SNIPING!!!WTF!!??

actually you are wrong a verry lite gun will not shoot as accurately at far distances because it has kick wich tips the barrel but a hevy gun will have less kick because its more firm having a more accurate shot

and there realy isnt such a thing as sniping in paintball

[SIGSays]

yes mags are sort of heavy
sniping doesn not exist....
you don't need a quick jerk.........
just become one with the trigger
i got a hyperframe and my gun is smooth
and i also got a intelliframe........ it's sweet

[RecklessFable]

Originally posted by brett


actually you are wrong a verry lite gun will not shoot as accurately at far distances because it has kick wich tips the barrel but a hevy gun will have less kick because its more firm having a more accurate shot

and there realy isnt such a thing as sniping in paintball

Well, if weight is the main issue for accuracy at long range, then it is easily remedied. Are there other factors? Do some markers impart more spin, or do only barrels affect that?

As for no such thing as sniping, yes and no ... Not sniping as in hitting people from far enough away to need a scope ... but there is sniping as in hitting mostly hidden people at max range, or lying in wait and hitting people who are running between cover.

The main thing I need is the ability to "thread the needle" through thick cover.

[Echo]

i wasnt specific enough i meant the 68 mag classic, i thought he was talking about that, because i thought he had a lower price range.
I dont know what kind of mag you have bro, maybe it is heavy

[RecklessFable]

I should have been more specific myself. What I am considering is a Classic Powerfeed. ... If I can pull off getting the whole rig (marker, hopper, barrel, air system) for less than $500 that is.

[Halliday]

Wow thsie is alot of conjecture being thrown around. Yes, the jerky trigger of a Mag leans itself to be inaccurate. Try out my Mag with a Hyperframe and, no more jerking. I can be amazingly accurate with my Hypermag.

Sniper: Not really such a thing in paintball. You get that far back and you'll get way more bounces than breaks. I know I used to do the same thing.

[PiranhaAquaPhaze]

sigh, u ppl are hopeless, the only time a guns "kick" would really matter is when you are shoot a rifle at round 350m, but this is a whole differnt story. But this is paintball!!!! a "sniping" range has to be less that around 180 FEET!!!! its far from the real thing!!! at 180 feet even if the kick had anything to do with it, it would still roughly be at least under 6 MOA providing you hav a consistent shot and a good paint to barrel match. so in other words it is around a 19" circle, obviously a decent gun will be able to achieve much tighter shot groupings, and how wide is a persons chest?? even the goggles are about 8 or so inches across. accuracy is not always the gun, its the person, all those that hav shot real guns at kno that a steady hand is not as common a thing. so a persons hand has much to do with it as well, though not as dramatic.anways, do you know how the kick is caused?? its the same event that causes the sound of the paintball gun. one of newtons laws(cant remember, test is over) is that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, so the same force of which the ball escapes the barrel the same amount of "kick" there is. so in other words, kick doesnt matter mainly cause the ball isnt in the barrel when it happens!!!! jebus, u want less kick, get a barrel with more porting, so the psi of which the gas escapes the tip of the barrel after the ball is less, resulting in a quieter and less "kicky" shot.

[Echo]

Gun:
http://www.actionvillage.com/010-1012-1.html

tko automag 300$ smart parts progressive barrel and gas thru foregrip. you may want to get a better barrel.

www.ebay.com

search under 68/4500
they are constantly auctioning off *NEW* nitro tanks that go for around 100 bucks, and thats a good size.

http://store.yahoo.com/acepb/hoppers.html

12v hopper for 40 bux, sweet

altogether thats about 450, (plus shipping) so may come out to a bit less than 500

thats prolly the shiznit im getting.. then upgrade my trigger frame when i save up

thats the cheapest stuff i have found, hope it helps

[mInImAg169]

Mags are just reliable. They are very accurate, and their slightly heavier wight provides for more stability. Now, if your a back player, mags may just not be your type. I am a back player and am moving on to an Impulse, just needed more ROF and more accuracy. But, if you get one, trust me, you'll love it.

[RecklessFable]

For the money... I'm thinking I like the Mag.

Hmmm a TKO may be in my future very soon...

[mInImAg169]

I think you made the right choice.

[magtser2749]

minimag 169 is on my team and he uses mag for the bak and he lays the ballz out prety good!!! fine for me as long as i dont get bunkered!!:P

[magsrtite]

ill sell u all my stuff in my sig below except for the tank and mask and ill give u 2 hoppers, 2 12 oz co2 tanx and some other little stuff.
IM me at CharliBrown124 or e-mail me at g.hewitt1@home.com

[magsrtite]

u dont get the red 12v revvy either

[Freak 5150]

I wouldn't call it sniping, because that means you are far away. I would call it sharp shooting, or a one shot one kill strategy.

The reason that a mag may not be as accurate is that it does have a snappy trigger. This lends itself to jerking around more.
On the other hand, alot of cockers have a smoth, softer trigger. In addition, it is heavier. This means it is less prone to move while shooting.

That is why I think heavier markers shoot more accuratly than lighter guns at longer range, or if it has a soft trigger. Such as the shocker and autococker. It doesn't have any thing to do with some special part to the gun, it is just a steadier shooting platform.

Also, if you want to make your gun more accurate make sure it is very well balanced. If you can't hold it steady, it won't shoot straight.

[Ice]

If you got a cocker with a flatline would you be able to change the barrel in like 30 secs or in between games? Cause that would be awsome. flatline in back next game it could be like speedball and you could have a short barrel. Dude if you were good enough with a gun that could do that you'd rule the field

[Halliday]

Originally posted by §pyderman
If you got a cocker with a flatline would you be able to change the barrel in like 30 secs or in between games? Cause that would be awsome. flatline in back next game it could be like speedball and you could have a short barrel. Dude if you were good enough with a gun that could do that you'd rule the field

You do know that changing your barrel affects your FPS? You would still need to chrony.......

[Ref]

Do some markers impart more spin, or do only barrels affect that? Paintballs arn't solid. If they spin, they go in crazy spiral patterns when fired because the paint moves inside.

[RecklessFable]

Off topic, I've read that the berrel on the flatline cocker is permanent.

Back on topic, So the barrels that look like they are "rifled" due to venting don't really cause spin?

And yes, I like one shot, one kill. It is VERY hard to find someone who only fires once. Twice is pushing it. Three and they've found you.

[Halliday]

I've one-shot killed lots of times. Gogged a guy once with my Shocker, one shot. Less than a month ago, I gut-shot a bellycrawling kid with my Hypermag. One-shot there. Mags not for snipers....bah!

[PiranhaAquaPhaze]

y is there constant refferal to the term "sniper"??!! i dont means this in a flamy way so dont take this personally. there is no such thing as sniping, everyone is at max 200 FEET away when they might start shooting each other, 200 FEET is not far at all. I am emphasizing on the term FEET because if u were to "snipe" u would be more than 200 METERS away. i am jus using this as an example. all guns shoot the exact same distance no more no less, give or takea few inches depending on outdoor conditions and the consistancy of the gun. shockers, mags, cocker, spyders all shoot the same distance. perhaps one might have a flatter trajectory and would be assumed as having a longer range, but in the end, its all the same. being able to gog someone depends on a steady hand and an even trigger finger.

[Valadian]

Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language:

Snipe: 1. A shot, usually from a hidden position.
2. To shoot at individuals as oppurtunity offers from a concealed OR distant position.

So to conclude.....Sniping does not mean shooting from a distance so much as it does mean shooting at somebody and they have no clue where the hell its coming from. So technically yes there can be sniping in paintball.

A couple more things:
The terms are Snipe, Sniper, and Sniping, not snipper or snipping, spell it correctly please.

Finally a bit of trivia: The term sniper and sniping come from the ability to "hit the snipe" an agile game bird found in marshy areas. In the old days when people still used muskets and the like, the snipers were those who would sit in a concealed position along a marsh or lake and hunt these birds. If anything the term comes from their accuracy in hitting the birds and their concealment. Not the fact that they blasted them from far away, most firearms of that time period were horrible at long range. The term slowly became a military term in the revolution, war of 1812 and civil war as men who would target important individuals in the enemy army and thanks to the newly invented rifles had the ability to pick them off either from a hidden position or a distant one or both (the rifles allowed for distance, before that concealment is what gave the sniper his advantage) the scots invented ghillie suits to allow them to stop poachers and then employed them in the first world war as a means of getting close to the enemy. It took a long time for it to be disassociated from being a cowards method of fighting and now finally its a full time military position.

Some of you may be familiar with the phrase of a union general who was cut down in mid sentence by a sniper:
"Come on men! They couldn't hit the broadside of a barn at this distan................"

So while sniping is usually nowadays associated with distance and done at distance a good 90% of the time, distance doesnt make it sniping so much as the mystery of "who the hell shot me?".

[Shadow221]

I'm a back player with a mag and I have to say mags a great for back players. They're plenty accurate(very close to cockers) and plenty fast. I was shooting 12 bps with the stock trigger frame, now that I've got a hyper I'm shooting deadly accurate at 16 BPS(which is why I need a H.A.L.O.). I don't know if Mags are better back guns than cockers because I've never used one in the back but I will when I get my black magic.

[Halliday]

My Mag has never been as accurate since I put on my Hyperframe. Look into getting a Warp Feed to keep the balls flowing.

[Shadow221]

weel I'm don't mean I'm so accurate I could shoot a needle in one shot from 500 yards away but I can hit a guy on the other team from 70 yards away in 2 or 3 shots...usually. I was a bit more accurate with the stock trigger but the Hyperframe works just fine for me.