Truth Behind the Talon

[Bellator_Fortus]

Let's go over Darwins theory on survival: "The simplest organisms survive." Knowing this, one should think that the idea would be proportional to machines, such a paintball markers. If that were the case, though, wouldn't Talons rock? Of course, and they do! I've played using a Talon, and it is the ONLY marker I've used that hasn't broken. The only time I've heard of a Talon actually breaking was when it was shot and the outer shell cracked, but that has more to do with the material out of which it's made, not how it functions. The blueprint of the Talon is truly awesome. It has only about 20 pieces to it, making it a simple, therefore reliable, piece of equipment. The reason people hate it is the effort Brass Eagle puts into the marker. I'm not trying to trash Brass Eagle here. I'm saying that they have the perfect chance to make something great. A new model of the Talon would do nicely: all they have to do is take off that crappy outer shell and put in something worth using, like a real aluminum body, a real barrell, and a better handle. That's the only thing seriously wrong with the Talon. Your opinion?

[paintballer42o]

The reason why people bash on brass eagle is because how poorly they are manufactured and made, and how pathetic they've grown over the years. They should at least come out with a new and improved gun.

[spyder freek]

That gives me an idea!


Can Anyone Build a talon body out of aluminum? do they have the resources? I have some ideas im willing to bounce off you if you have the resources... Aim spyderfreek2k or Just P-m me.


An aluminum Body, and Spyder threaded barrel, And a better pump arm!

[chillywilly]

You got it all wrong buddy.

As darwin published in his book, The Orgin of Species (slightly modified for paintball)--


Suppose a marker developed a functional advantage (it was made of aluminium and could withstand a gunshot). Its offspring would inherit that advantage and pass it on to their offspring. The inferior (plastic) members of the same species would gradually die out, leaving only the superior (advantaged) members of the species. Natural selection is the preservation of a functional advantage that enables a species to compete better in the paintball fields. Natural selection is the naturalistic equivalent to domestic breeding. Over the centuries, humans have produced dramatic changes in marker populations by selecting individuals to produce. Marker companies eliminate undesirable traits gradually over time. Similarly, natural selection eliminates inferior species gradually over time

Complexity=survive

That is the entire point of evlution and natural selection. This can be proven in the food chain and evolution charts. If brass eagle started to put more complex parts on their guns, then they would be better. You said that less complex things are better. So whats better, a barrel with a paintball, powered by you blowing into it, or an aluminum semi-auto paintball marker powered by compressed air?

[Bellator_Fortus]

Crap. Well, my point is that the Talon would be good if the material is better made. It would "survive" better.

And I don't think BE should start making complex markers quite yet, not when they haven't even gotten the simple ones down and well.

[chillywilly]

Originally posted by Bellator_Fortus
Well, my point is that the Talon would be good if the material is better made. It would "survive" better.

true.

[Zorath]

Originally posted by Bellator_Fortus
Crap. Well, my point is that the Talon would be good if the material is better made. It would "survive" better.

So, what you're basically saying is "Brass Eagles would be good, if they weren't such crap".

[Bellator_Fortus]

I'm saying that the Talon is an awesome design, but BE isn't pushing it to its limits.

[Zorath]

Originally posted by Bellator_Fortus
I'm saying that the Talon is an awesome design, but BE isn't pushing it to its limits.

How in any way shape or form is the Talon an awesome design?

[Bellator_Fortus]

Originally posted by Zorath
How in any way shape or form is the Talon an awesome design?

Originally posted by Bellator_Fortus
Let's go over Darwins theory on survival: "The simplest organisms survive." Knowing this, one should think that the idea would be proportional to machines, such a paintball markers. If that were the case, though, wouldn't Talons rock? Of course, and they do! I've played using a Talon, and it is the ONLY marker I've used that hasn't broken. The only time I've heard of a Talon actually breaking was when it was shot and the outer shell cracked, but that has more to do with the material out of which it's made, not how it functions. The blueprint of the Talon is truly awesome. It has only about 20 pieces to it, making it a simple, therefore reliable, piece of equipment. The reason people hate it is the effort Brass Eagle puts into the marker. I'm not trying to trash Brass Eagle here. I'm saying that they have the perfect chance to make something great. A new model of the Talon would do nicely: all they have to do is take off that crappy outer shell and put in something worth using, like a real aluminum body, a real barrell, and a better handle. That's the only thing seriously wrong with the Talon. Your opinion?

[Zorath]

First of all, its been pointed out that your parallels that you drew with Darwin's theory were erroneous. Secondly simple does not equal awesome. Are you now going to tell me that DM4s suck because they're too complicated?

[Bellator_Fortus]

I'm saying that since the Talon operates fairly with such a simple design, consisting of only 30 pieces (to be exact), it's a very good design that should be taken more seriously by Brass Eagle.

[STO Balla 22]

If you want a nice pump, get a Phantom. The Talon is a gun to buy if you want to go out to the field and play with noobs.

[spyder freek]

If you have the resorces you could heavily modify a talon...basicly building it over and you would have a goood gun

[Zorath]

Originally posted by spyder freek
If you have the resorces you could heavily modify a talon...basicly building it over and you would have a goood gun

Then it wouldn't really be a Talon, would it?

[Cx Threepio]

They are awesome because they are simple. I havent owned a DM4, but I have to imagine that cleaning a gun like that, and keeping the parts in working order, must be harder Than a Talon, with such a simple design, seems to be much easier to clean and keep up with. The only flaws I can see is the barrel that is molded to the body, and the plastic shell.
Those two flaws can be fixed.
http://beog.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=3085
The posts are messed up, but that topic is woodenfotress explaining how t ocast aluminum parts, which I was planning on doing with a Talon, and then taking Eradicator threading from a Eradicator body and casting it into the talon body instead of the barrel that is currently molded to the body.

[ghg89guirghuerh]

brass eagle sucks and they no it, i mean look at the brass eagle allstars they dont even use BE guns

somethings never change...

[Zorath]

Originally posted by Cx Threepio
They are awesome because they are simple. I havent owned a DM4, but I have to imagine that cleaning a gun like that, and keeping the parts in working order, must be harder Than a Talon, with such a simple design, seems to be much easier to clean and keep up with. The only flaws I can see is the barrel that is molded to the body, and the plastic shell.

This does not mean it's awesome! It means its simple. Completely different.

The flaws are far more numerous than the barrel being molded to the body, and I'm not going to get into them, because I'll never finish typing :P

If the gun was soo awesome, then why would you be casting a new body for it?

I'm not bashing BEs *cough*, I'm just saying that Brass Eagle and awesome should never be used in the same sentence.

[Spinach]

Brass Eagle does not 'suck' they just make really cheap guns, heck look at the rainmaker thats an amazing gun. BE all stars should use some tricked out rainmakers. Ive seen some nice rms ones with angel frames and such. But e-orracle still beets it. BE used to have awsome guns but then they got bought out and just make cheapo guns now.

[spyder freek]

Originally posted by Cx Threepio
They are awesome because they are simple.


Thats Not Darwins Theory, But it has proven itself over recent decades, (i hate to reference paintball to war, but here we go) Simpler designs tend to be more reliable, mainly for the fact there are less parts to break/jam. the predocesors to the M16 were trouble and actualy caused people to die because they didnt work corectly. But then improvements were made less parts better gunpowder ect and now its an excelent rifle. In this sense the Talon Is awsome, Because it has less parts to break. But it gets worse because of the body barrel pump arm ect. If anyone has the resorces they could make an alluminum body, a .45 compatable frame and removable barrel...I dont have the machinery to do this, but if anyone does how much would sumthing like that cost b/4 any type of anno

[fartface]

Yah the talon is a semi reliable gun if it wasn't made so crappy. Like come on what the hell were they thinking making the pump arm plastic (its the part that takes the most abuse on the gun) like if they are gonna make most of the other parts in the gun metal then why the hell would they make the pump arm of really crappy plastic. Well anyways I knew the day would come when that arm would snap off so when I did I modified it so the pump arm has a some metal on it and I reinforced it too with fiberglass, this is the way talons should have been made in the first place.

[MAJ. RaZoR -MR-]

Originally posted by Bellator_Fortus
Let's go over Darwins theory on survival: "The simplest organisms survive." Knowing this, one should think that the idea would be proportional to machines, such a paintball markers. opinion?

Yea but too bad this darwin feller figgured we came from some kind of dadgum soup. and thats not true so i reckon that survival thing aint true either. i mean, scorpions, rats, other bugs, and even some rattlers are pretty small and once they cross my property line.. they're gone. My opinion acourse.

[HANZO78]

to many people on here want to hold a talon to the standards of a 100$+ gun......for its price its good.....and for outlaw ball its great .....for every spyder or whatever is sold to play one a field 20 cheaper guns are sold to people who just want to go play in the woods with some friends........

iv been playing since i was 13.....and a tracer pump was as good as most people could afford......cuz an F2 would run you almost 300$+ .........and i still love passing my pump pistols out to my buddies and going out to play outlaw ball in the woods.

just because you play one was does not mean others play
the way you do......