military-ish painball guns? cool or no?

[mr. lobster]

what is everyone's opinion about painball markers that look like military weapons? are they hurting the sport or just for fun?

[StinkyGenius]

The paintball community need to band together on this issue..............we are trying to gain public acceptance but how can we when perople are running around shooting each other with guns that look like m16's. Mothers will never let ther kids play in games where people are shooting them with what looks like real guns.............are we trying to destroy our sport or gain public acceptance? Anyone who votes for good idea is trying to screw paintball as a sport over. Just use a normal paintball gun and play airsoft if ya wana be paramilitary. Paintball should be fun but not at the expense of others fun in that there parents may not let them play with people who wield realistic looking wepons.

[fireblade]

I voted cool. Am I a bad person because I think they look cool..? :(

[Viper1357]

Wow.. I guess the "Liberals" make all the decisions on what is acceptable "looking"? Or that anyone who likes a certain thing is going to ruin it for another....

Lets not forget the whole premise of the sport is to "shoot" another person with a paintball "gun" that has a "barrel" and a ".45 style grip" with a "trigger" and a "bolt" ..etc...
A gun is a gun, so if you want to lie to those mothers and say that it is better to shoot little Johnny with a pretty purple annodized "Auto Cocker Gun" or a "Mini Mag" (what about those intimidating names?) than with a painted black with a plastic stock, military looking gun, well I guess that is your belief.
Like it or not, we are all participating in a sport of shooting and or hunting other people. I guess these "mothers" you talk of would never let their kids play any of those "violent video games" or watch inappropriate movies or TV either. This is some of the most blatent "stick your head in the sand" hypocrosy I have ever seen.

I would imagine that any camoflauge clothing will be the next thing to be considered as "paramilitary" :| and considered "bad"

Every one has a right to their opinion but to try blame the way this is going is ludicrious.
It is just this type of thinking that has kids in school eating with flimsy sporks!!! :(

[Viper1357]

I just need a minute to put on my Flame retardant clothes....

Ok ready... ;)

[fireblade]

You took the words out of my mouth.

My opinion:

f everyone, if they came out with a military style gun that preforms better than my mag, HELL yeah I'd buy one if I had the cash and I didnt have any other pressing non-paintball needs for that cash. I'm also not dumb enough like some people I know who wears their jerseys into woodsball games.. bright orange ones at that..? Someone explain that to me.. :eyes:

I'll play the game as I damn well please. If I want to do a war reinactment, I'll DO a war reinactment. If I have fun with it, then I'm fine with it, and I could personally care less if its not politically correct.

Oh, and to the guy who wanted to see a pic of Bob Long: PB2X, back of the magazine, theres a pic of him somewhere. I still think I could take him :agree:

[UTLadiesMan]

I said bad just because of safety issues. A kid in my area was running around with an realistic looking water gun at night. Somebody called the cops, and when they got there, they thought the person turned on them (it was really dark), and they shot him. Luckily he was alright, but I can just see some guys playing Outlaw Paintball at night and get wasted by people carrying real guns.

[elTwitcho]

I said bad because the bottom line is this, someone shows up, in full army fatigues, carrying his pods in one of the military issue web belts, combat boots, helmet, M16 replica with tippman grenade launcher and you know what? The guy looks like a flaming homosexual. Anyone who has to carry replica guns around is the kind of person who never grew up from the point of playing with GI JOE action figures. The whole "I'm gonna dress like this so I can intimidate people" is easily the most clear way to say "I take it in the arse". So go right ahead and dress fruity, but I know of a few fields around here were those people aren't welcome to play at, and I personally would go after this person every game for looking so stupid.

And don't give me the bullsh1t answer that "Paintball is a killing simulator anyway, we ARE shooting people" because that's a load of crap. I consider paintball to be more a version of tag than it is a war simulation, and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. Shame on you, for having played our sport and still being so ignorant. If paintball is a war simulation, then hide and go seek is a "stalk somebody and rape them when you catch them simulator", after all, someone is hiding from another person and trying to escape aren't they....

I'm sorry, but the milsim aspect is a stain on our sport and I hate the embarassment of being associated with those losers when I tell people "I play paintball"

[Viper1357]

If you are going to attack my statements please do not misquote what I have said. I do not mind getting flamed a bit, but please show some intelligence and accuracy if you do it.

I never said "Paintball is a killing simulator anyway, we ARE shooting people"
You know I am correct about the parallels of still shooting another, but you had to change my words to make it look worse, or you missed the true point.

And please this "our sport" crap has been said about enough as well. This is as much a recreational activity as it is a sport.

You can attack the dressing up of camouflaged players, you can attack the "milsim" aspect of play, but shame on you for being so closed minded that others cannot play the way they choose without being branded as "losers"


Read your post again through someone else's eyes...
If you have to resort to name calling and show your "ignorance" and lack of control of your attitude, I think you should consider not being a moderator.

Here is some irony for you... look at your info or quote under your post: : "I Have an Intimidator"
Talk about a hypocrite...

[AngrySloth]

MY 2 CENTS:

People that wear camoflauge and tote "real-looking" markers can do that if they wish. But don't come to my field!

When I play paintball I want to play against athletes, not a bunch of conservative country hicks who think they're reenacting the invason of Normandy. I have personally seen a mother show up at my old field with a birthday group of kids and decide she didn't want them to play paintball after all becuse it was "violent". What made her decide this was when a guy with a Viper M1 and wearing full camo and an army helmet walked up to the counter.

If you guys love "playing war" so much go play airsoft, or make your own field. Or better yet, go join the army for real. Test your "skillz" there.
But don't come to my field :pissed:

[MrStinky]

I agree with Viper here. The names of the guns such as "Raptor" now if I remember correctly a Raptor was a vicious dinosaur which hunted in packs to kill bigger dinosaurs.... Kind of gets you thinking... or theres the Phantom, Talon, Bushmaster, Commando, and there's a lot more to name.

And it leans more towards war simulation than tag. Tag is where you touch the person with your hand. Paintball is where you SHOOT objects going 200-300fps trying to get the other person out. Kind of like killing him....

If someone wants to wear Military style clothing so be it it's his decision not mine. We don't need to persecute him/her for trying to have fun or getting more out of the game.

[fireblade]

Dude, I live in Arkansas, quite possibly the most redneck state in America, right next to a military base. I have NEVER seen anyone wear a helmet, or carry a real military-ish gun to play with for real. I know a guy who has an m-16 looking paintball gun, and he only plays with it to mess around with.

In any sport, you've got morons who take it a little too far. So what? Let them play like that, if they think they look good wearing all this full metal jacket crap, let them go for it.

This is what paintball is coming to, a bunch of elitist people demanding everyone conform to their "sport", and call the non-conformers homosexuals and losers, which I believe is completely out of line. Paintball is supposed to be NON-conformist. At least thats what it started out as.

And yes, I do have a jersey :P I'm not dumb enough to wear camo to the tournaments.

[torrid1]

To eltwitcho the euphorian. I'm with viper 357. I live in Minnesota, not Arkansas. Here we don't have our rich daddies to pay for the excessive speedball paint usage. Contrary to some of your beliefs I am not a redneck simply because I enjoy paintball differently from you. It is clear that your extreme liberal beliefs are clounding your true sence of reality. I am an adult, I make my own decisions. It is not your place to tell my that they are inappropriate for "your" sport. It is not your sport, it is my recreational activity. You are welcome at the fields were I play weather you are wearing JT red jerseys or fatigues. You'll just be shot much more if you are not camoflauged. Notice I said "shot", not marked. When you use a release device, "trigger" to launch a projectile "paintball" you are shooting , not marking. Call it what you will Bill Marr. Why would you associate camoflauge whith homosexuality. You must be very insecure about your manhood if you think someone is a homosexual because they play militaristic paintball. It just shows your level of education and maturity. If you have valid comments I would be happy to hear them but when you just throw a tantrum at someone else it completely overshadows your true opinion.

[torrid1]

Originally posted by fireblade
Dude, I live in Arkansas, quite possibly the most redneck state in America, right next to a military base. I have NEVER seen anyone wear a helmet, or carry a real military-ish gun to play with for real. I know a guy who has an m-16 looking paintball gun, and he only plays with it to mess around with.

In any sport, you've got morons who take it a little too far. So what? Let them play like that, if they think they look good wearing all this full metal jacket crap, let them go for it.

This is what paintball is coming to, a bunch of elitist people demanding everyone conform to their "sport", and call the non-conformers homosexuals and losers, which I believe is completely out of line. Paintball is supposed to be NON-conformist. At least thats what it started out as.

And yes, I do have a jersey :P I'm not dumb enough to wear camo to the tournaments. Sorry guy I didn't know you were from AK when I made my post. I agree with what you said. There are different playing styles to most sports. Do you say softball gives baseball a bad name because it's played behind bars with alcohol?:o

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by torrid1
Call it what you will Bill Marr.

If you're going to insult someone's "political correctness", you could at least spell Bill Maher right.

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by torrid1
To eltwitcho the euphorian. I'm with viper 357. I live in Minnesota, not Arkansas. Here we don't have our rich daddies to pay for the excessive speedball paint usage. Contrary to some of your beliefs I am not a redneck simply because I enjoy paintball differently from you. It is clear that your extreme liberal beliefs are clounding your true sence of reality. I am an adult, I make my own decisions. It is not your place to tell my that they are inappropriate for "your" sport. It is not your sport, it is my recreational activity. You are welcome at the fields were I play weather you are wearing JT red jerseys or fatigues. You'll just be shot much more if you are not camoflauged. Notice I said "shot", not marked. When you use a release device, "trigger" to launch a projectile "paintball" you are shooting , not marking. Call it what you will Bill Marr. Why would you associate camoflauge whith homosexuality. You must be very insecure about your manhood if you think someone is a homosexual because they play militaristic paintball. It just shows your level of education and maturity. If you have valid comments I would be happy to hear them but when you just throw a tantrum at someone else it completely overshadows your true opinion.

I said it before, and I'll say it again, it's embarassing to be associated with that type of player. If you happen to be a milsim type player, than I'm embarassed to be grouped with people like yourself. Camoflauge makes sense in the woods, I don't have a problem with people wearing it. Pretending to be GI JOE doesn't make sense, and it's stupid. Everytime paintball does something to validate itself as a sport, there's always gonna be somebody screwing it up by acting like as.sholes and pretending a sport is a war. I never said it was "MY" sport, so work on your reading skills before you make those assumptions. It's inapropriate behavior, just the same if I went to play a family baseball game dreased in BDUs with a big bowie knife saying "You can't hit the ball, I'll frag you b1tches! Come on, I'll blow your cars up and then kill you! I'll shoot you dead where you stand! Don't try and run from me because you'll just die tired" It's inapropriate for baseball, and it's inapropriate for paintball as well. As for the line in my sig "I have an intimidator"... what are you, some kind of moron? the intimidator is a paintball marker made by bob long, having that line in my signature neither makes me a hypocrite nor validates your position

[yando]

twitcho, the only thing i can agree with you on is that paintball is more of a version of tag than it is a war sim. the rest of your statement was totally out of line. just because people wear camo it makes them a flaming homosexual and a loser? you really need to lighten up. you may not agree with what people like but do you really need to take it that far? like torrid said, maybe people wear camo to have the advantage of not being seen, not because they are pretending to be in a war.

i think the replica guns look cool, but i wouldnt buy one myself. i also call my mag a "gun" and i say that i "shot" someone that i eliminated. but i have NEVER thought to myself while playing paintball, "wow, this is like real war and its like im really killing someone." the field i go to has both woods and speedball. when i play in the woods, i wear camo pants and a dark shirt. when i play a game of speedball, i dont change my clothes. should i change my clothes just so i dont seem like im obsessed with war?

paintball began in the woods with people wearing camo and what not. if you are calling people who wear camo "losers", then you are flaming the people who started this sport.

[elTwitcho]

Notice again that I didnt bash camoflauge, and went out of my way to list military gear like web belts, but big deal, you don't want to read the message don't bother replying either.

[Malakili]

elTwitcho... you run around with your rainbow colored jersey and your rainbow colored "marker" on rainbow colored inflatable paintball fields, and you dare to call me, with my Army surplus camo (which makes it really easy to stay concealed in a woods game, btw), a "flaming homosexual"? And anyone who disagrees with you is an "idiot"?

As Al Powell said in Die Hard, why don't you wake up and smell what you're shovelin'?

[elTwitcho]

Honestly, I wasn't upset before but now I am. Perhaps if I write it really large you guys will get it

I DIDN'T BASH CAMOFLAUGE. I WAS REFERING TO REPLICA PAINTBALL MARKERS WITH GRENADE LAUNCHERS AND HELMETS AND THE LIKE

www.hookedonphonics.com

[mr. lobster]

it's looks to me like there is really to types of people who play paintball:

1.) the type who enjoy reinacting military battles and having skirmishes with friends in the woods, don't really care about public acceptance, or paintball becoming a full sport, the rec ball players.

2.) the type who play paintball as a sport with rules and referees, and want it to be publicly recognized as such, the tourny ball players.

As i see it paintball is being divided into two parts as it is refined over time. But unfortunetly these two factions are fighting agaisnt each other, both under the name of paintball. The rec ball players just want to have their reenactments and skirmish's for fun and in peace without being nagged by the tourny players. And the tourny players want paintball to become accepted as a sport, and so do not want to be know as being militaristic as this would not be accepted by the general public, and is in fact not the truth. So until these parties have clearly seperated, or destryod each completely paintball will not be able to grow as a sport or as a hobby.

[UTLadiesMan]

I am in neither of those groups. I don't play tournys except occasional fun charity events. I play rec ball, but I don't get in full camo and try to be war like. I see it as a sport still, and like all sports needs rules, but I don't play it to win, I play it for fun. How many people play football for competition vs. how many play for fun? or tennis? or soccer? Every sport has many more people who play recreationally than professionally, and they all still play by the rules. Just because I play paintball for fun, does not mean I don't care about it as a sport. Just because I play football for fun doesn't mean I don't care about it as a sport.

[elTwitcho]

I don't see that it has to be that way. First and foremost, the woods game is very much dying. Paintball has been through a number of changes, from an individual game played through many acres of woods, to a team game, to a team game in smaller woods areas and soon I think it may go over completely to a small field format, possibly speedball. The driving force behind this is money, the field owners want the players to shoot more paint and the smaller speedball fields do this. I think the woods fields can be an important and valid part of our sport. I understand there's alot of hiding and ambushing people involved, and for that purpose, camo is ideal. That's not my problem, that's still hide and seek. But not only does making paintball look like war appear ridiculous and "trailer trashy" to an outside observer, it's horribly disrespectful to all the men who fought and died in real wars to play paintball that way

[Peter A.]

i think to hell with you if ur not gonna play paintball or let your kids due to milatary looking guns or camo.personally i hate woods and "real" lookin guns.i prefer speed ball courses and sup air with bright colors such as jerseys.i really dont care ne more.paintball will not be acepted for a long time in my views.if sum soccer mom aint gonna let little billy play for stupid reasons, then thats her choice. my opinion.

[torrid1]

Originally posted by UTLadiesMan
I am in neither of those groups. I don't play tournys except occasional fun charity events. I play rec ball, but I don't get in full camo and try to be war like. I see it as a sport still, and like all sports needs rules, but I don't play it to win, I play it for fun. How many people play football for competition vs. how many play for fun? or tennis? or soccer? Every sport has many more people who play recreationally than professionally, and they all still play by the rules. Just because I play paintball for fun, does not mean I don't care about it as a sport. Just because I play football for fun doesn't mean I don't care about it as a sport. Just when I thought you had settled down and I really started to listen to what you had to say. Again you had to go and show your ignorance and immaturity by name calling. Trialer trash. I don't live in a trailer, I live in a house in the suburbs. I am not rich nor poor. And I don't think that woods style paintball is going out. The last time I played a scenerio game there were over 200 people involved. That's pretty good for a dying sport. The field I play at has no speedball and is booked everyweekend. :(

[Malakili]

1. If there's nothing wrong with using Army surplus camo or playing in the woods, then why do you have a problem with things like surplus military web gear? It's cheap, strong, and works well for holding extra paintballs and accessories.

2. There's nothing wrong with people who use realistic looking markers or airsoft guns, they simply don't like the look of the average marker. They have different tastes then you. I guess that makes them an "idiot".

3. Woods games are not dying. The increasing popularity of 24-hour paintball scenario games demonstrates this.

4. In my opinion, military-style paintball games are not disrespectful to military veterans. Just about everybody, including myself, who likes their paintball games to have a military flavor respects and admires veterans.

5. El-twitcho, I'm surprised someone who basically hates half of the people in the paintball culture was made a moderator of a popular paintball forum.

[fireblade]

Dude, I think woods games will be around forever. Why? To some, its more fun. I'm on a tournament team, and personally, I dont really like speedball that much. Where the hell is the tactics? The adrinalin of going out, finding someone, and then tagging them? Personally I get NO adrenalin out of running in some small *** 1/2 acre field where it never really changes, its more like a chore. And I know plenty of people who think the same way.

Its like any other sport, you've got the professional teams and the people who go outside and play a little bit for fun. In paintball, we got the tournament players who play in those speedball courses, and we've got the people who just decide to go outside, play a little outlaw ball, and have some fun.

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by Malakili


5. El-twitcho, I'm surprised someone who basically hates half of the people in the paintball culture was made a moderator of a popular paintball forum.

I had no idea 50 percent of all marker sales were real weapon replicas. Any other interesting facts you'd like to pull from mid air? The milsim aspect of paintball probably represents less than 5% of all paintball players, and as I said, it's inapropriate for any sport, why should that be any different for paintball

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by torrid1
Just when I thought you had settled down and I really started to listen to what you had to say. Again you had to go and show your ignorance and immaturity by name calling. Trialer trash. I don't live in a trailer, I live in a house in the suburbs. I am not rich nor poor. And I don't think that woods style paintball is going out. The last time I played a scenerio game there were over 200 people involved. That's pretty good for a dying sport. The field I play at has no speedball and is booked everyweekend. :(


Ummmmm...... when did I say any of those things?

[Malakili]

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said half of the people who play paintball use realistic gun replicas. But a hell of a lot of people in our culture are into military simulation paintball games, and you know it.

I guess paintball scenario games (which are decidedly military style) aren't popular, that's why thousands of people attend each year (or sometimes each game) and why they're sponsored by scores of top paintball companies.

[MrStinky]

You'd be surprised Twicho.

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by Malakili
Don't put words in my mouth. I never said half of the people who play paintball use realistic gun replicas. But a hell of a lot of people in our culture are into military simulation paintball games, and you know it.

I guess paintball scenario games (which are decidedly military style) aren't popular, that's why thousands of people attend each year (or sometimes each game) and why they're sponsored by scores of top paintball companies.

Put words in your mouth, this coming from the person who has miquoted and misread me with every single reply he's put in the thread...

And no, scenario games aren't always military style. The last time I checked, aliens invading the earth never happened in any military conflict in the entire world in the history of ever. No, I don't know that alot of people are into military simulation paintball games, around my area, nobody is. Maybe things are different the further south you go (take that however you chose)

[AngrySloth]

Ok. I think I'll clear my position up. When people were camo in a woods game to keep from being seen, that's fine. It makes sense. But when someone where's camo, dog tags, and helmet just because he wants to look all military-like, that's when I have a problem.

Twitcho is absolutely right. Paintball is changing, it's evolving. And a lot of people don't like change. They see change as a bad thing, and sometimes it is. But not in this case. With the transistions paintball has gone through, people see us less as gun crazy freaks, and more as athletes. And this may come as a shock to you, but even you guys are athletes.

Mr. Lobster: Your "2 types of players" thing is so outta whack that I won't even dignify it with a flame. All I'll say is that I prefer speedball fields, refs, rules, and public acceptance. And I'm a REC PLAYER.

[torrid1]

Hey, elbiased twitcho

Your saying aliens invading the earth and people wearing camouflage shooting them isn't militaristic. Where have you been hiding the last decade. I know why you have such a harsh attitude towards this whole situation. You were one of those kids who had no friends and was beat up for their lunch money everyday. Now you finally found a sport that takes little talent and anyone who can shell out the money and pull a trigger can get involved. Wow I bet your a real big athlete. How does your mask fit over your glasses, and does your jt jersey cover up your Steve Erkel pants?

[dropkick]

As if the publics view of paintball was any worse, we have markers that look exactly like M-16s. Great choice, guys...:rolleyes:

[UTLadiesMan]

Torrid, have you just given up on the arguement and resorted to childish antics? That's what it looks like.

Congrats Twitcho, this means we won! :P

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by torrid1
Hey, elbiased twitcho

Your saying aliens invading the earth and people wearing camouflage shooting them isn't militaristic. Where have you been hiding the last decade. I know why you have such a harsh attitude towards this whole situation. You were one of those kids who had no friends and was beat up for their lunch money everyday. Now you finally found a sport that takes little talent and anyone who can shell out the money and pull a trigger can get involved. Wow I bet your a real big athlete. How does your mask fit over your glasses, and does your jt jersey cover up your Steve Erkel pants?

Well amigo, from your first post I could tell you were a simple man, and I thank you for outlining that fact to everybody on the forums. Rather than misquote what I said again, you just cut right to the chase and showed us what you're really about. Congratulations

And thank you UTL for at least listening to what I was saying

[fireblade]

hey now, I listened :P

I didnt fully agree with what you said, but you did say some things I agree with

[Malakili]

"I said bad because the bottom line is this, someone shows up, in full army fatigues, carrying his pods in one of the military issue web belts, combat boots, helmet, M16 replica with tippman grenade launcher and you know what? The guy looks like a flaming homosexual."

"I consider paintball to be more a version of tag than it is a war simulation, and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot."

"First and foremost, the woods game is very much dying."

"But not only does making paintball look like war appear ridiculous and "trailer trashy" to an outside observer, it's horribly disrespectful to all the men who fought and died in real wars to play paintball that way."

"Notice again that I didnt bash camoflauge, and went out of my way to list military gear like web belts"

---

I admit, my first post in this thread was wrong (I sort of skimmed over the posts), but other things I posted refer to things you actually said. Again, if there's nothing wrong with Army camouflage, than what's wrong with Army web gear? It's cheap and it works.
And paintball scenario games are war sims, no matter what the objectives are or who the players are supposed to represent. You have two teams, separated into squads, a chain of command, objectives to take, headquarters, tanks (sometimes), and lots of people shooting each other. Sounds like war to me.
Another thing, Torrid may have sunk to the level of insults, but he wasn't the first one. In your opening post on this thread, you generalized people like me as "Idiots" and "Flaming homosexuals", as shown in the quotes at the top of this post.

[mr. lobster]

Originally posted by AngrySloth
Mr. Lobster: Your "2 types of players" thing is so outta whack that I won't even dignify it with a flame. All I'll say is that I prefer speedball fields, refs, rules, and public acceptance. And I'm a REC PLAYER.

yea, righto, i did miss label rec players, sorry :| but i'm still with most of the rest of what i've said because it does look as if it is either going to seperate into two camps completely or milsim games may just disappear, but i personaly don't see that happing real soon... yea, and i am with you and twitcho by the way

[KOTOWA]

I hate militarish paintball guns. You want military, walk your fat arse to a frickin military sign up. Join the army. Paintball is for fun, not pretending to have an m16 blowing the heads off people. You would be pretty ****en queer to walk into a tourney with a gun that looks like an m16 with a clip that pops out like the real thing.

CONCLUSION: Go to the ****en military if you want military guns, paintball is not war, and the guns shouldnt look like war guns. THE END!!!

[Viper1357]

Other than Torrid's understandably frustrated comments, the majority if not all of the name calling, flaming, verbal abusing, and general aggressive posting behavior has come from the "athletes" of the "sport".

All the while the supposed gun crazed, military type killers (meant in sarcasm) have only been trying to preserve the right to play in wooded games in milsim type play, with camouflage, and in some cases military styled guns or markers. Whether they choose to over do it and wear more than typical camo is a personal preference.

Like I said earlier everyone has their right to an opinion on what they would like or not like to see in the game of paintball, but when blatant attacks and oppressive behavior tries to control or stifle the rights of others, we have another name for that in this country.... It's communism. Think about it...

Twicho.... I know what type of gun an Intimidator is. I was making a point on the ironic hypocrisy of one of your earlier posts.. You wouldn't understand, forget it.

[Viper1357]

Now that you all think I am some squatty bookworm that knows how to modify paintball guns, and is probably not very athletic.

I am 40, 6'0, 200lbs give or take a few.. I have played a few organized sports in my life; football, soccer, racquetball, tennis, mountain bike racing, motocross & atv racing, karate, baseball, softball..etc... I still try as much as time permits to work out with weights and rollerblade, but time is fleeting. Someone made mention that the "sport" of paintball is played by "athletes". I can assure you, I am plenty athletic.

I just started playing paintball this year and where we play in MN it is as many mentioned, an outdoor milsim type of play here. We do have some indoor fields for a more speedball type of play but I have not had the pleasure of that experience yet. I am also smart enough to bring the type of equipment suited for that style of play. I would not use a overly large military type of gun for speed play, any more than I would bring a tennis racquet to a racquetball game. I have standard paintball equip as well.

With winter settling in here, I will giving indoor play a try. I will be using a laser sight on one of my short guns, and open sights on the other...
;)

[StinkyGenius]

Okay....first of all you all need to CALM DOWN. I like playing in woods and im gonna try scenerio gaming next summer but it itsnt the type of milsim u are talkin about. I personal prefer speedball but thats just my preferance Ive looked ayt pictures of scenerio games and many people wear jersies and have bright markers. Team moist dounuts shoots brightly colored angels and they all have jersies and they play scenerio games all the time. They are not the people this is aimed at. Its the real milsim looking guns and recreating real battles that i have a problem with. Some of my friends and me as well(almost) were not allowed to start playing paintball because of the para millitary type people that show up to play. Nomatter what you say you are making a game outof battles and wars that people gave there lives in and you are recreatring that as a game of tag. I was not allowed to start a club at my school beccause it was veeiwed as paramilitary with the realistic looking guns and stuff. And to the above poster....WHat do you mean all the flames are coming from the non paramillitary people? Just read the thread and they have been doing plenty of flaming as well...Yes i believe twitcho was wrong is saying you were all homosexuals but that dosnt mean that all of us are flaming the milsim people. Everyone please try to get you facts straight before posting.........

[Scullyvan]

I voted for "cool" Because in my opinion there is nothing wrong with military paintball guns, I own a model 98 and I consider it to be a fairly military like looking gun without anything on it, it looks like a HK PDW w/o a magazine
I also don’t mind military gear being worn as long as it isn’t bizarre like dummy rounds, grenades or other items like that

I’m surprised nobody mentioned this but in that latest issue of PB2X there was a article on a police department using paintball guns to train in "takedowns" of armed suspects indoors, I found it to be very interesting and I believe it is good that the sport of paintball finds its way into law enforcement and actually does something useful and help save peoples lives
I’ve seen the Army use M4 replica guns rebuilt as paintball guns to train in close quarter battle,
And a friend of mine has a brother who was in the Navy and he said that they sometimes trained with splatmasters.

[Cloud-VII]

Wow, this thread has enough flame to heat my house! haha!

Anyways, what are your positions on the Tippmann 98 or ghille suits.

I mean come on, the 98 is a tommy gun replica!

[Wuzup101]

Well I agree that there is no reason for mili looking markers...I'm not like dye hard against them...but I see no reason to use a large marker that doesn't perform... I don't know why anyone would choose to handycap themselves like that. They are cool for senerio games I guess...I'd rather have a nade launcher though...and a normal gun....just b/c nade launchers are functional in a senerio game and can help you a lot.

As far as camo is concerned...who cares...camo can give you a slight advantage in the woods...and is just well suited to paintball because of its duribility. Web gear is cool too...again it's functional and inexpensive. Boots...well...also functional...although I prefer a nice pair of sneakers or spikes. Helmet...wtf....why...who does this.... Dog tags...lmao...are you serious. There are just some things that shouldnt' be done.

On a nother note I have a friend that loves to play war games...he thinks he's a GI joe... he hasn't bought any upgrades for his gun...but buys all kinds of camo...like it's gonna help more than a new barrel.... and he is a flaming homosexual...but not because of that ...LOL :laugh:

[VeNoM]

well my borther must think they are cool, he bought a Viper M1 just off of scheer looks, he saw it in my APG and said thats the gun im getting. doesnt know anything about or any other gun on the market, but he got it any way. and surprisingly its actually a very nice marker, pretty accurate (err i mean precise ;) ) and consistent. . . i voted i dont care, because i dont!

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by Malakili
Again, if there's nothing wrong with Army camouflage, than what's wrong with Army web gear? It's cheap and it works.

Because you're STILL misreading me. I didn't say army web gear was bad if it's functional, I said it was bad when combined with a buttload of other equipment to make you look like an army infantryman, and to intimidate other players. Not only does it looks really bad, but if you're going out to scare the new players away from you and look like "a tough guy" well then forget it, that's doubly bad in my book. Yeah I went off a bit, but I despise making paintball into war, in my book it's absolutely disgusting

[torrid1]

I still can't quite understand why you would rip on someone because they enjoy the "sport" differently than you eltwitcho. I play at scenerio games and I have yet to see someone use, or carry something that was not necessary. I have not seen any helmets, dog tags etc. I don't know where you imagined all of this from but you need to get a life. All of the games I play are scenario, and all of my friends play the same type of games. We all have fun, nobody is intimidated by someone wearing camo, it's recommended not mandatory. I've played with people from 13 to 50 and they have all had a great experience. I have never talked to anyone that has had a bad one. Does this make me "a flaming homosexual"?

[AngrySloth]

Originally posted by torrid1
I have not seen any helmets, dog tags etc. I don't know where you imagined all of this from but you need to get a life.

Look int the Nov '01 issue of APG. There is an article about the D-Day 2001 scenario game. Just look at the pictures, there are lots of guys wearing helmets and dog tags. There are even people wearing Nazi insignia on there clothes, which pisses me off beyond all belief. :pissed:

And tell me what you think of this modified Brass Eagle Rainmaker. Knowing people like you, (and I do know a few, my brother is one), your're probably thinking, "Wow! It would be cool to light somebody up with that! Make 'em think they're actually getting shot! It makes me feel like I'm actually at war killing people!"

Excuse me, but it's you who needs the life.

[fireblade]

that does look pretty damn cool, if you ask me :P

[AngrySloth]

Originally posted by fireblade
that does look pretty damn cool, if you ask me :P

Yeah, it's so cool. :rolleyes:
It's so cool, why don't you walk into your local police department carrying it and tell them how cool it is. Then we would have one less redneck destroying paintball. ":P"

[Viper1357]

After carrying it around for 4 - 5 hours at a time.. i start to hate it too.

[Viper1357]

Was it this one?

[SimplicityGirl]

That's an awesome looking replica. I don't think it makes the guy a loser though, he's just looking to show off his work.

[Viper1357]

or this one?

[Viper1357]

this one?

[SimplicityGirl]

ok

[Viper1357]

This one?

[Viper1357]

I do have one of these as well...

[Viper1357]

I'm done now...

[AngrySloth]

Ooh! A laser sight. 'Cause paintball guns are accurate enough to actually make use of them. :rolleyes:

It would be funny to see that thing get nailed and filled with paint goo. The dot might turn funny colors.

[Viper1357]

Mine are.....

[fireblade]

dude, how the hell does that make me a redneck for thinking its impressive someone was able to make a paintball gun look like an m-60 (I think)

Kindly stfu.

[tut00]

My gosh,

I can't believe we are all arguing over this...

If someone wants to wear camo, web gear and carry a gun that is a replica, so be it. Who are you to judge what that person can or cannot do.

If someone wants to wear bright colored jerseys, and run around with bright colored guns so be it. Again, who are you to judge what that person can or cannot do.

Since I last checked we lived in a FREE society.

I don't care if you think that by people pretending that paintball is a military simulation that the sport won't be accepted. I can play it how ever I want to.

I tend to play woodsball, and you know what I am in full camo, use a web belt (great for holding my gear and my air tank) and have my mask covered in netting. Heck, you know why. It means that I won't be seen right away. We had some people come out and play with Jersey's and you can spot them a mile away. But guess what, no one ridiculed them for it. Let each person decide to play the way they want to.

And as to this... "But not only does making paintball look like war appear ridiculous and "trailer trashy" to an outside observer, it's horribly disrespectful to all the men who fought and died in real wars to play paintball that way."

I can assure you that I am not trailer trash. I probably make more money than half of you combined.

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by tut00
I can assure you that I am not trailer trash. I probably make more money than half of you combined.

Considering that more than half of us are students, that's really not something to brag about....

[KOTOWA]

Well, someone f***ed up some good guns in this thread. I wish some people in this thread would walk into a police station with that. Oh wow! You have an m40 REPLICA!!!! I bet your a fat *** with acne that cant make it into the army, fat ***! So, Why wont you go get yourself shot, with a real gun! Military man!:rolleyes:

[KOTOWA]

Originally posted by tut00

I can assure you that I am not trailer trash. I probably make more money than half of you combined.

Yeah, despite the fact that I cant even drive, you know, that makes me trailer trash, even though I buy all my gear myself with a paperboy job. Oh well!:rolleyes:

[elTwitcho]

I hate some of you people, I really do. Not because you wear camo, not even because you make paintball into a milsim (which I still think is lame), more I hate you because you can't frigging read. Since when does "looks trailor trashy to an outside observer" mean "You are trailor trash". What do you do to make this insane amount of money you brag about, sell your brain in bits and pieces to science?

Free society or not, there are things that are inapropriate. If someone came to the field wearing a shirt saying "Kill niiggers" would you say "Oh well everyone can enjoy paintball differently, and I don't feel he represents our sport poorly". Just because we live in a free society doesnt mean you have to take every chance you get to make an azshole of yourself. And Torrid, don't even bother, you've taken yourself out of the conversation with your "Yeah well you're a big poopy-pants elTwitcho" post, we all know what level of maturity you bring to the discussion.

Last, if the flames don't start dying down this thread is history, attacks directed personally at members of the site no matter what their position won't be tolerated. You can say "Tournament players are fruity" if you like, but if we get anymore "So and so is a fruit and I hate him" then this thread is history

[yando]

Originally posted by elTwitcho
If someone came to the field wearing a shirt saying "Kill niiggers" would you say "Oh well everyone can enjoy paintball differently, and I don't feel he represents our sport poorly"

but that shirt has nothing to do with paintball, so i think anybody, including myself, would consider it inapropriate. camo has some sort of connection with paintball

[tut00]

Very well. I will give you that you did not say it made us trailer trash, it only looked so to the outside observer... My bad.

And I will also give you that somethings are inapropriate. However, I do not think that making paintball into a milsim is the same as someone showing up wearing a "kill niiggers" shirt. Somethings are not accepted in society, however milsims are not one of those.

Thats all I want you to see. Personally, I would not own one of the guns in the pics above. Not my style, however I have no right to tell them that they cannot use them.

[elTwitcho]

No, obviously the racism example I gave was exagerated, I used it to make a point. Like I said so many many times before, camo while not being my style at all, is functional and it makes sense, some things don't make sense and are entirely inapropriate, that's why I used the racism example, it was an overstatement to clearly say what I was getting at. Oh well

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by yando


but that shirt has nothing to do with paintball, so i think anybody, including myself, would consider it inapropriate. camo has some sort of connection with paintball

For the 7th time or so, this isn't about camo god damnit. This is about military replica paintball guns. And Military replica paintball guns have just as much connection to paintball as an inapropriate outfit would

[yando]

ok ok ok! maybe i should have said "an entire military type outfit and setup." better yet, forget anything i said, i'll stay out of this one from now on.

[Viper1357]

Wow! The king of the flamers threatening to use his ever so impressive moderator powers....

Do you know what the phrase " the pot calling the kettle black" means?

The only thing "inappropriate" (besides your spelling) is your oppressive and immature behavior concerning this issue. (That means bossy and childish)
;)

[elTwitcho]

Actually, I never once made a personal attack on anybody. I don't recall saying "Viper you're a freaking idiot" so step back before you begin throwing accusations. As for threatening to use my mod powers, I have a responsibility to this site, I won't close it because people are going after me, I'll close it because it's my job to keep things orderly in here. If I had it my way I'd flame you to a crisp any day of the week, but I don't and I do have a job to do. Think before you post


Bring this back on topic please

[MrStinky]

Well it kind of was on topic until you had to say this

someone shows up, in full army fatigues, carrying his pods in one of the military issue web belts, combat boots, helmet, M16 replica with tippman grenade launcher and you know what? The guy looks like a flaming homosexual. :rolleyes:

[elTwitcho]

And so ends the thread