bko or lightning delux

[PaintbalDuDe114]

i was thinkin which one i should get.but i dunno
:confused:

[lotus_esprit5]

lightning delux????:confused: :eyes:

wuzzat???

[RainTreeBoy]

I say BKO, but im thinking, if you want a cocker, at least get a real one (aka WGP).

And lotus, its just a focker made by 32* I think. whatever company makes the silver bullet.

[lotus_esprit5]

The Silver Bullet is made by Psycho Ballistics.

I just checked out the Lightning Delux. It looks pretty damn cool, but other than that nothing special. Just another mech cocker. It looks like its in the $400 range, right? If you really want a cocker then you might as well get a WGP 04 cocker, or an OutKast, depending on how much money you want to spend. WGP makes the best base-level cockers. Other companies are flashier, but often not as good quality, just look at System X.

But I say BKO. My bro has a mech cocker with the works-ANS inline, Shocktech bolt, new ram, Rock LPR, new 3-way, new body, hinge frame, you name it he's got it. Only thing it needs now is an E-Blade. It runs at a pretty low pressure, doesnt have much kick, and is pretty efficient. But he still gets envious of my ROF, and the fact that my gun is so much smaller and lighter. If you dont mind buying an eblade later, then get the cocker. But otherwise, a BKO is a much better choice. Smaller, lighter, faster ROF, etc.

[phatrob37]

BKO=faster,smaller,lighter,easier:D

[PaintbalDuDe114]

the lightning delux is like $249 and the bko is $300 should i still get the bko

[snortt]

ive been thinkin between bko and lightning too, but the lightning on most sites doesnt come with reg, so u gotta buy that, and plus its pretty much a really cheap version of one of the dye cockers. ive made up my mind to get bko cuz:
1. smaller
2.lighter
3.faster
4.from what ive read up on cockers(ive been reading since christmas) they seem kinda complicated, and bkos dont really seem like theyd be quite the same, but then again ive never tested either one or even seen one in person, my friend just bought 03 wgp, and thats the most high end gun in our group of friends, then my tippy and my other friends a5, so i just might not know wtf im talkin bout
5.i think it looks cooler ;)

[lotus_esprit5]

BKO is lighter, smaller, faster, as we've said.

as snortt said, BKO's are much simpler than autocockers. Autocockers are fun to tinker with, but they are alot more complex than BKO's so if you really do have a problem it is hard to figure out what it is and fix it on a cocker. Also, cockers are tough to take all the way apart, BKO's are relatively easy.

snort, if you get a BKO you will outshoot everyone in your group of friends.

[comando345]

speed BKO>cocker
reliability BKO is more reliable
maintenance BKO is easier except electronics
accuracy BKO = Cocker if you use good regulation


The cocker had its day, it is now outdated.

I believe there is another thread on this subject in this forum, search for it.

[yoda101]

Originally posted by comando345
speed BKO>cocker agreed
reliability BKO is more reliable any marker is just as reliable if you take care of it
maintenance BKO is easier except electronics once you learn how to maintain an autococker you can maintain anything, and it becomes just as easy if not easier
accuracy BKO = Cocker if you use good regulation accuracy is all about paint to barrel match, but yes as you said they are the same


The cocker had its day, it is now outdated.

I believe there is another thread on this subject in this forum, search for it.

there is a cocker vs bko thread in the ultimate FAQ on the top of this forum, if you still arent sure I would read that thread to give yourself a better idea.

[lotus_esprit5]

accuracy BKO = Cocker if you use good regulation accuracy is all about paint to barrel match, but yes as you said they are the same

dont forget, accuracy is also affected by consistency and kick. BKO's and stock cockers have the same consistency. Cockers usually dont have much kick, but a properly set up BKO wont have much either. So if you arent taking the barrel into account, these 2 guns are equally accurate.

speaking of cockers....my bro had a Freak on his cocker but after seeing how awesome my CP 1-piece was he bought a slighty used CP 7-piece! only $110! I'm gonna crap my pants when I see how accurate that thing is.

[RainTreeBoy]

Well, the new thing that paint to barrel doesnt matter anymore. Everyone says that it only makes a slight difference, so you shouldnt by kits or different backs unless you have a closed bolt marker. Just buy a barrel with a large bore so you can use all paint, and your set since it wont matter much. And now, always 16" barrels. Nothing more, nothing less.

...this is the new fad in paintball, along with no drops.

[lotus_esprit5]

^ True. I've noticed paintball trends are shifting that way too.

I can see how bore match can affect efficiency and accuracy, but to me it doesnt make a big enough difference to justify spending so much money on a kit. Other people feel differently though.

[yoda101]

Originally posted by RainTreeBoy
Well, the new thing that paint to barrel doesnt matter anymore. Everyone says that it only makes a slight difference, so you shouldnt by kits or different backs unless you have a closed bolt marker. Just buy a barrel with a large bore so you can use all paint, and your set since it wont matter much. And now, always 16" barrels. Nothing more, nothing less.

...this is the new fad in paintball, along with no drops.

you forgot to mention it really doesnt matter for open bolt markers, for closed bolt it makes a good amount of difference

[RainTreeBoy]

Originally posted by yoda101


you forgot to mention it really doesnt matter for open bolt markers, for closed bolt it makes a good amount of difference
Originally posted by RainTreeBoy
unless you have a closed bolt marker.
Eh, I kind of mentioned it, but here it is ladies and gents.

If you have a closed bolt marker like a cocker, omen, etc., it is in your best interest to buy a barrel kit, because if you dont have good paint to barrel, balls will roll at of your barrel since detents only do so much on closed bolt guns. But on open bolt guns, kits are not needed, unless you like. I think you should save the money on a kit, buy a large bore CP 1 piece or Ultralite, and then go buy some other upgrades. Thanks for your time.



Happy yoda?;)

[yoda101]

Originally posted by RainTreeBoy


Eh, I kind of mentioned it, but here it is ladies and gents.

If you have a closed bolt marker like a cocker, omen, etc., it is in your best interest to buy a barrel kit, because if you dont have good paint to barrel, balls will roll at of your barrel since detents only do so much on closed bolt guns. But on open bolt guns, kits are not needed, unless you like. I think you should save the money on a kit, buy a large bore CP 1 piece or Ultralite, and then go buy some other upgrades. Thanks for your time.



Happy yoda?;)

nope cause in a closed barrel the detents arent there to make sure a ball doesnt roll out the barrel like you described, its there to prevent double feeding :)

[artshark]

As in terms of internals, Psycho cockers are REAL cheap. Cheap front block, no reg, cheap make. Looks decent.



Art

[RainTreeBoy]

Originally posted by yoda101


nope cause in a closed barrel the detents arent there to make sure a ball doesnt roll out the barrel like you described, its there to prevent double feeding :)
I said "the detents only do so much", that could mean anything! And what I meant by that is they prevent double feeding, but they dont prevent balls from rolling. And that is why you need good paint to barrel.

Damn yoda, you demand so much!

[I.A.O.A.B]

Originally posted by artshark
As in terms of internals, Psycho cockers are REAL cheap. Cheap front block, no reg, cheap make. Looks decent.



Art how does any of that have to do with internals? i think you need to learn more before you try to act smart..

[comando345]

I don't feel like getting into another long debate about kick, but I will say that my Defiant has no meaningful Kick, and that I can easily control it at high ROF. Might be different for a BKO but I doubt it.

[lotus_esprit5]

i got a little kick with my Bushy, but nothing that I couldnt control pretty easily. But I actually found that I have alot less kick with my new Blind Bolt. Now I have hardly any kick, it feels more like an Angel. I guess its cause the Blind Bolt is stubby. Less reciprocating mass=less kick. yet another unexpected performance advantage that I got from the Blind Bolt. Those things are too good to be true for a $35 bolt.