Tippmanns High End Marker

[E r y k]

heres an interview done w/ one of the members of tippmann effect

http://www.paintballstar.com/pn/modules.php?op=modload&name=PagEd&file=index&topic_id=7&page_id=214

read up, it hints something about a high end marker :D...

so coenen/greedy... you guys were right :D

[lewdogg21]

*jumps up and down with hand raised*


I know some details too!!!!!!

[snap shoot]

Share them with us :) . Yay for A-5's because when the reporter asked the guy which gun he prefered the A-5 or 98 he said A-5 because there faster :) . I can't wait until there new marker comes out I wanna see how it runs , and looks and stuff.

[mitchh]

Share with us lewdogg21, what do you know?

I wonder what they will call it? :crazy:

[Sound Rebirth]

A new Marker is definantly some big news...I just hope Tippmann stays with the same "look" they've always had, I'm not lookin forward to a chromed-out spyder/autococker look-a-like...lol but anyway, I didnt think Tippmann would be considering to put another Marker out there any time soon...Many consider the A-5 to be a "high-end" Marker, I do...I mean, hey, it even says it on the box! :P lol j/k, but it does say it on the box...Oh yeah, thanks E r y k for the info...You got me thinkin now....

[E r y k]

np man :D... some people on the forum have inside info also, but ill wait until they want to come fourth and share the love

[snap shoot]

Greedy said something about being it shown to public in August of this year and maybe on the product line , this time of next year. I don't know excatly but I know Greedy knows something and a few others. I cant wait to see it and what they got out this time :) . And lewdogg share what you know with us.

[Greedy]

I don't know if I should kiss and tell. But what I will tell you is that it's alot smaller than most tippmanns we're used to and has a very close resemblance to a BKO.

Maybe I"ll add more later.

[Raptorz922]

Originally posted by Greedy
I don't know if I should kiss and tell. But what I will tell you is that it's alot smaller than most tippmanns we're used to and has a very close resemblance to a BKO.

Maybe I"ll add more later.

Darn... BKOs are fugly... :|

[ace6160]

Does it resemble the old bko, or the new one?

[M98PainTBaLLeR]

Wonder what the price will be. Im saving up!!!!
:cool:

[E r y k]

Originally posted by M98PainTBaLLeR
Wonder what the price will be. Im saving up!!!!
:cool:

good luck with that;)

[snap shoot]

If it's awesome I might buy one if it is worth it. They might make it resemble the b2k I heard , and it might be there first electro. If it is sweet Ill sell the A-5 and buy one.

[Flakey Lemon]

I must know more!

[M98PainTBaLLeR]

Woo Hoo! its gonna be awesome! woo hoo! im gonna buy it! woo hoo! i wanna know its name! lewdogg tell us what you know! :confused: so many questions.... :confused: so little answers :confused:

[Greedy]

Against my better judgement I'll tell everyone what I know. Few will be able to visualize it but some will.

Anywho here it goes:
1. Official info released August of 2005
2. Up for sale January of 2006 (shouldn’t be pushed back)
3. Will be able to buy it with different threads
4. Feeds 90, yes 90 BPS.
5. With paint, 68BPS before it turned into spray paint
6. Has an Eye
7. Release price of 800-1200 dollars.
8. Hybrid (electric and air powered) feeding system
9. 6 inch long body, looks like a BKO
10. 2 piece grip, 1 piece holds the trigger mechanism, other works as a reg/exp. Chamber
11. Open-bolt design
12. 150 PSI Operation
13. No quick strip like the A-5 “Doesn’t need to be”
14. Unknown body material, not going to be two shells.
15. Built in trigger so no upgrade
16. Weight is lighter than a shocker
17. Color is black
18. Improved stock barrel “the stock barrel will blow ur mind, similar to boomy”

Everything in "quotes" is what I was told directly from my source.

[E r y k]

its all a lie!! RUN! :crazy:

[KnUcKiNpHuTs]

1. Official info released August of 2005
2. Up for sale January of 2006 (shouldn’t be pushed back)
3. Will be able to buy it with different threads
4. Feeds 90, yes 90 BPS.
5. With paint, 68BPS before it turned into spray paint
6. Has an Eye
7. Release price of 800-1200 dollars.
8. Hybrid (electric and air powered) feeding system
9. 6 inch long body, looks like a BKO
10. 2 piece grip, 1 piece holds the trigger mechanism, other works as a reg/exp. Chamber
11. Open-bolt design
12. 150 PSI Operation
13. No quick strip like the A-5 “Doesn’t need to be”
14. Unknown body material, not going to be two shells.
15. Built in trigger so no upgrade
16. Weight is lighter than a shocker
17. Color is black
18. Improved stock barrel “the stock barrel will blow ur mind, similar to boomy”

I think i just had a gungasm

[M98PainTBaLLeR]

wow............................:laugh: its amazing! :crazy: my mind is blown..... cant think must know more!
What happened to your name Tippmann Owns? im confused :confused:

[(0_o)typhoon(o_]

800-1200$!!!!! i always thaught tippmann was a cheap company with reasonable priced markers :(

[E r y k]

note to self: high end and cheap dont go together.

[snap shoot]

And if they make this gun it will blow people that make fun of Tippmanns outta the water!!! This must be posted in general asp!!!!.

[E r y k]

no it mustnt, for 800 - 1200 there are many guns already out on the market that can rival it.

[snap shoot]

Too bad ace already posted it in Greddy's topic :P . Maybe we will see when the time comes , I think it will be awesome.

[M98PainTBaLLeR]

Amen to that! Score 1 for tippmann!

[Greedy]

I hinted in General :).

The reason why they decided to move over the Speedball markers is because "that's where all the money is".

That's all the details I know, or is it :)?

[Satanicsanta090]

68 bps with paint is insane.....

[soggybotttoms]

dude....! what in the world... that's insane, 68bps..but along with that comes the hefty price tag. Still workin on gettin an a-5. That's all i need. Is this gonna be a normal gun?? Or for like sponsored teams only? I don't know ne one who wants to shell out that kind of money? O wait forgot that i wuz poor.:crazy: can't wait to c it

[Turambar]

Hmm..sounds pretty intriguing. If all that is actually true when it comes out, looks like I'll be getting a high end gun. ;)

[Justin The Pyro]

Sounds like a pistol. If greedy wasn't messing with us.

[Sound Rebirth]

All that info is pretty insane...too much to take in at one time...lol...Cant wait till I can get a peek at it...But I dont think I'll be buying it...I like my A-5 because its all mechanical...no electronics......but 65bps...is....is that even.......possible?? I mean I thought the Cyclone Feed was insane...I'm easily impressed lol....That just doesnt seem right though, it seems like your messing with time...I dont think any Marker can handle that speed...I think its a time bomb...Try shooting full auto and it just explodes.....eh, maybe I'm overreacting...too much info lol...But at least Tippmann is now shutting all the morons up....woo hoo...

[(0_o)typhoon(o_]

mabe it will go 65 BPS on full auto? lol then i would get a q loader so i can make a race gun!

[E r y k]

im thinking of 68 or 65 or whatever it was as a capability... with like serious bounce or something, theres no way on earth someone can walk 60 bps.

[snap shoot]

Originally posted by Turambar
Hmm..sounds pretty intriguing. If all that is actually true when it comes out, looks like I'll be getting a high end gun. ;)


Same here.

[HiTmAn14]

Well no one will be shooting over 30 bps at the most. Some guns can go close to 30 right now with the right loader so its not that big of an accomplishment. But it does sound good and lets hope it doesn't suck like kingman's higher end guns.

[snap shoot]

Originally posted by HiTmAn14
Well no one will be shooting over 30 bps at the most. Some guns can go close to 30 right now with the right loader so its not that big of an accomplishment. But it does sound good and lets hope it doesn't suck like kingman's higher end guns.

Yes lets all hold hands and pray Tippmanns high end marker doesn't turn outs like Kingman's.

[M98PainTBaLLeR]

Quick! some one give me 800-1200 dollars!

[asa4575]

Originally posted by Greedy

8. Hybrid (electric and air powered) feeding system
Run away children.

Run far away.

[Coenen]

I'll throw in what Greedy didn't cover.

Although the marker is capable of firing the 68some odd BPS thought is that with a human running it it'll be down into the low 30's .

The feed system is an electro-pneumatic chain drive much like that seen on the old AT-10 and AT-85, only perfected and adapted for bulk loaders.

The loader will be on the right hand side, I personally am kind of :| about that part, but I wouldn't be surprised to see if it wasn't interchangeable on the production marker.

The barrel threads, you'll all love this...A completely unique thread! Naw, j/k j/k. Word is that the marker will be produced in a selection of different thread styles so you can buy it straight from the factory threaded for Cocker or Carbine or 98C barrels etc. I personally think it would be easier to use an interchangeable thread system like the A-5, but what the hey.

As for the stuff left to speculation, I'm afraid of what they are going to pick for the production body material, to get all that crap lighter than a shocker they are going to have to use a lot of polymer, aka plastic, even if it's ballistic quality, people will ALWAYS shy away from plastic.

For all of you who say "why?", remember a couple months ago when that large company(forgot the name) bought out a majority of interest in Tippmann Pneumatics? There was a brief talk about it and then silence. Word is that these guys really kicked things at Tippmann R&D into high gear, so we're going to start seeing quite a few things coming from the House of Tippmann that we've most likely never seen before. This sure ain't gunna be yo daddy's Tippmann.

[E r y k]

it all winds down to time... time will tell :D

[Greedy]

Here's the breakdown on that questionable speed:
68BPS In Full Auto
35BPS in Auto-Response Mode
26BPS in Semi

There are a total of 7 modes:
Full Auto
Auto Repsonse
Semi
3 Round Burst
6 Round Burst
9 Round Burst
Semi+ Mode, which means once you start shooting at a certain speed it goes from Semi to Auto Response mode automatically.

Congrats to Coenen! In case you haven't noticed, he's an agent now.

[Empyreal Rogue]

Originally posted by Greedy
[B]Semi+ Mode, which means once you start shooting at a certain speed it goes from Semi to Auto Response mode automatically.

Isn't that basically what cheater boards are? Since F/A is banned there are boards that various teams, Dynasty, have implemented into their markers. Once the BPS gets up to a certain speed it becomes F/A and can increase to a point then levels off.

So will there be a Tournament Legal board then? There should be if all this hype is true...

[Greedy]

Originally posted by Empyreal Rogue
So will there be a Tournament Legal board then? There should be if all this hype is true...
Not sure, we will have to see. I'm assuming if kept in semi mode it will be tourny legal.

I find it doubtful that Semi+ mode will be made tourny legal.

[E r y k]

hrm... it must have a tourny lock or something.

im not going to buy an 800 dollar gun w/ no tourny lock.

[Empyreal Rogue]

Semi+ mode kind of sounds like the E-Mag's Hybrid mode, which is not legal in tournaments. The only way to change the mode is with an allen wrench, unless your batteries die in which case it automatically goes into Mechanical Mode.

So maybe that's how the board will be set up. I'm actually more interested in seeing how this marker will look rather than perform. Also the name of it too.

[ltgir]

68 bps would be cool but but the paint in your hopper would be gone in 2 and 1/2 seconds. :rolleyes:

scenarios the best!!!!!!!!!

www.opsgear.com

[KnUcKiNpHuTs]

if its anything like the E-grip (they share many of the same firing modes) then its not gonna have a tourny lock. Instead your going to need to take this brittle screwdriver and desperately fumble around in this tiny hole with it until you hear a few clicks, then the firing mode will be changed. I wonder if ull be able buy the board for the E-grip.....

about what coenan said towards the polymer (plastic) used in the new gun. People need to realize this aint the stuff that they use to make glad ware, this stuff is downright tough. to put things into perspective lets take a look at the Glock 9mm and compare it to a Berreta 9mm. Both of these guns are top quality hand guns, the beretta was issued to the Navy and the Glock was issued to americas police force. However, both were in the running for the police forces side arm. The Glock beat the berreta for several reasons: 1. it lasted up to 10 times longer than the Berreta in torture tests 2. it was cheaper to produce 3. it was incredibly light in comparison to the beretta.

guess what the glocks made out of? ya u guessed it, polymer, the same stuff they use on the A-5 and possibly this new BKO type.

[crazygunner13]

dudes, 68 bps is awesome but unreasonable, its like paying a half a million dollars for a car taht will do 230, its never gonna happen, but it is awesome, so why fork out the money for something that u cant use to its full potential

[soggybotttoms]

All these rumors!!!!!!!!!!!!I just wanna see the stupid thing so this can finally get over with. Dangit. I wonder if that kevin kid is gonna try to "sniper it up" lol. I have that one quote from him in my sig.

[silverghost]

I can't even imagine what it would feel like to have 120balls flying at me and trying to get out of the way.....pure terror. lol

[Empyreal Rogue]

It would be a solid wall of paint. Scary.

What I'm really curious about is how will the bolt be able to move so fast. 68 BPS is FAST. I highly doubt the marker will be actually be able to shoot that fast though. It's like how the DevilMag is capable of 45 BPS but can't get to that speed simply because the bolt can't move that fast.

[pbnickk508]

Originally posted by ltgir
68 bps would be cool but but the paint in your hopper would be gone in 2 and 1/2 seconds. :rolleyes:

scenarios the best!!!!!!!!!

www.opsgear.com
Ya but 68BPS is crazy that is a hopper full in 4 secs. That is more like a waste of paint and money but I am a scenario player so I dont like ball the best but it is fun.

[KnUcKiNpHuTs]

well, i think the 68BPS capability will be reachable if its on full auto mode, all you need to do is hold down the trigger. I think there are more guns than some think out there than can cycle around that. I mean, a dinky little spyder can get up to 40 cps. a gun like an angel is only limited by its board, which allows it to hit 31bps, im sure it can get higher than that. if the bolt is light enough, and the valve is quick enough, im sure its possible.

[Coenen]

Communicated with "the source" yesterday.

He says that he got to shoot a working prototype.

Real speed 60BPS on F/A before paint soup, the marker was in the 70CPS range.

The body is aluminum, but not cast like their previous guns. Weight is comparable to an A4.
User interface is an improved LCD system.
There is a tourney lock for semi-mode.
Uses a traditional noid/ram set up instead of a spool valve.
Hopper system IS self contained, so there will be no need to buy a HALO or Q-loader to put on top of the feed drive adapter.

BTW, Spyders are closer to 60CPS.

[Empyreal Rogue]

To hit 68 BPS it would have to be an LCD. Mad bounce system. This is going to be absolutely insane... But why isn't there a thread on the Tippmann Forum about this marker?

I smell a hoax? :P

[Paintballrocks]

they are gonna have to do a real good job they can either break it or make it() by which it could end up being an 800 dollar piece of crap or it could be the best gun on the market for a long time or until someone comes around and beats it)

[Greedy]

Originally posted by Coenen
Uses a traditional noid/ram set up instead of a spool valve.
I'm assuming you're referring to having some sort of 3-way/pnuematic device in the front of the gun?

It's not on the Tippmann site because "the source" isn't supposed to be talking but we have found ways to coerce him :).

[snap shoot]

Originally posted by Coenen
Communicated with "the source" yesterday.

He says that he got to shoot a working prototype.

Real speed 60BPS on F/A before paint soup, the marker was in the 70CPS range.

The body is aluminum, but not cast like their previous guns. Weight is comparable to an A4.
User interface is an improved LCD system.
There is a tourney lock for semi-mode.
Uses a traditional noid/ram set up instead of a spool valve.
Hopper system IS self contained, so there will be no need to buy a HALO or Q-loader to put on top of the feed drive adapter.

BTW, Spyders are closer to 60CPS.

The hopper system is self contained? So we got like another hooked off the chain A-5 on our hands or like a q loader hopper thingy?

[Scott83]

knightedwarrior, your post is just silly....
68 BPS at 300 FPS means that by the time you have fired for 1 second, there are 68 paintballs in the air, each spaced evenly across 300 feet. Lets assume the actual fire rate on full auto is 60BPS like Coenen said. Thats 300/60 = 5 feet between each ball. You would never experience 22 balls in the barrel at the same time, just one ball at a time, same as always.
It's not quite double the speed of current markers, nothing will melt. No doubt 60 BPS would hurt, but I can't remember the last time I stuck my face into a stream of paintballs for more than 1/10th of a second anyway. For the counting inept, that means I would get hit by 6-7 balls maybe, IF the other guys aim was dead on. Thats not enough to break my mask or pull it off my face. No one said you could walk a trigger at 22bps. I have heard of people able to walk the trigger just over 30bps, that's really really fast, but doable for some.
I seriously don't think it is possible within the limits of modern science much less the most basic laws of physics.
30 years ago the Internet only had 25 websites...

[Scott83]

Oh yeah, just for fun!
To get 2 balls in the 16" barrel at the same time you must shoot at 300/1.3(1.3 being the length in feet of the barrel) = ~230BPS (thats like one ball just barely leaving as another enters the chamber)
To get 22 balls in the 16" barrel as you said, you must shoot at 11 times that rate, or 5060BPS. I don't see that happening anytime soon!
:)

[E r y k]

lets not base everything off the 68bps... that was greedys source:P

whether the bps is 68 or not, we know that they do have a gun in store.

[Coenen]

You guys also have to remember the 68BPS is going Flatout in F/A, it's the speed that was reached when testing the thing just to see how fast it could go.

Everyone who tried to use physics, you are all slightly wrong.
Scott83, you're not taking the time it takes the ball to accelarate fully into account.
Knighted, I have no idea where you got your numbers, perhaps you just threw them out there to demonstrate just how excessive the speeds we're talking about are.

As for internals melting, if you take the sear out of a normal Spyder and drop the hammer it'll cycle in the 60CPS range and that doesn't exactly melt the O-rings.

The feed system being self contained, I was orginally under the impression that the chain drive was fed by a separate loader, kind of like a Halo/Warp setup(for demonstrative purposes). It is apparently it's own thing all together.

The noid/ram thing, it operates like an E-bolted 98C, instead of a spool valve like a Shocker/Matrix.

[E r y k]

Originally posted by Coenen

As for internals melting, if you take the sear out of a normal Spyder and drop the hammer it'll cycle in the 60CPS range and that doesn't exactly melt the O-rings.


60 full cycles?

[KnUcKiNpHuTs]

i dont mean to get off topic, but awhile ago i asked if removing the sear and letting the hammer do its thing would determine that maximum cps. someone should try it to see how fast it can go...

[Scott83]

Scott83, you're not taking the time it takes the ball to accelarate fully into account.
Didn't need to, it's insignificant and I was just trying to show how hard it would be get 2 balls in the barrel at the same time. Anyways, ever think about the amount of acceleration a ball actually experiences when its fired? Its amazing that every one of them doesn't break.

[acoyote]

i will post this once
-70+ cycle rate
-60 BPS w/o chopping
-hopper system is self contained, and can feed 60 BPS to then gun.
-there is no stock barrel. you get to choose.
-tounry lock
-reduced from 7 to 5 modes; semi, auto, 3, 6, response
- Stamped Aluminium
- Slightly heavier than Shocker
-It can use co2, and N2
-Input regulator, Output regulator, and tank gauge built in.
-Advanced LCD technology
-Wont be announced until october of 2005.
-available for sale january 2006
-tippmann effect gets to use them starting December 2005
-Looks like a cross between BKO and Shocker
-co2 screwes into x-chamber built into trigger frame.
-x/chamb is removable
-Quick strip
-only one color.. you guessed it.. BLACK

whatever else you heard is rumors.. dont believe them

[Scott83]

Now what people wanna know is who you are!

[acoyote]

Originally posted by Scott83

Didn't need to, it's insignificant and I was just trying to show how hard it would be get 2 balls in the barrel at the same time. Anyways, ever think about the amount of acceleration a ball actually experiences when its fired? Its amazing that every one of them doesn't break.

acceleration = a vector quantity which is defined as "the rate at which an object changes its velocity." An object is accelerating if it is changing its velocity. Acceleration is a vector quantity so it will always have a direction associated with it. The direction of the acceleration vector depends on two factors:

whether the object is speeding up or slowing down
whether the object is moving in the positive (+) or negative (–) direction


velocity of a paintball- 290 feet per second.
Constant of that in a standard 12 inch barrel, the ball gains 24.16 feet per second every inch. the acceleration therfore is 24.16 ft/sec/inch. the reason the paintball doesnt break is because of the vector changes it goes through. the entire ball is accelerated, not just one portion. i could quadruple that to 90 ft/sec/inch, and as long as the entire ball is accelerated it wont break. so the fact that u said its amazing it doesnt break, is false. if you understood physics you would see that its not amazing, but understandable.
yes i am a genious

[acoyote]

im the source

[knightedwarrior]

I dont think math an 2Am go hand in hand very well, sorry about the strange post yall:crazy: . Not really thinking right but other post (greedy) saying 90cps, that is definitely not right. could a spring throw a bolt back that fast? Scott, I like your math though, and even if 90cps is right, I wounder how fast it could freeze up a CO2 tank?
30 bps is very impressive for walking the trigger and I would like to see that. I guess it could be doable and dont really see anything happening faster than that without help from a chip. I see some people really dealing some nasty welts with this thing, how could you sell something like that for less than the price of a timmy? that is questionable, i see if it is real, then expect something around 1800-2000 dollars. anthing else would be a mistake on the retailer, but I'll stick with my simple a-5.
What would be the use of draining the hopper that fast? reload times alone would be a pain, well, I guess you have to make sacrifices if you want it that bad. Maybe like a super hopper that goes on your back and like feeds into a warpdrive like tube that goes to the gun? Never mind, stupid idea:banghead:
How would the 60bps self containment system work? I think it is something like a cycle with its own motor. So exacty how bad of a gas/energy hog would this be?
all in all, I think that in order to improve paintball, there needs to be major improvement on the paintball itself, even though the paintball is good now, it could be better.
Scott, Thanks for not completely trashing me like I know others would. True Tact and I haven't heard the work silly in a while :laugh:

[Scott83]

@ acoyote- I understand that stuff, I still think its amazing. The entire paintball, as I understand it, is not accelerated at the same time though, it's pushed from only one side of the ball. The amazing part is that it doesn't deform to the point of breaking, I suppose paintballs just don't have enough inertia to make rapid acceleration a problem though.
@ Knightedwarrior- I'm with you, I don't think 60bps is a usable fire rate for anything other than maybe some sort of scenario game. Its not like most people could run through a 30bps lane, much less a 60bps lane. I wouldn't mind having a 60bps marker for bragging rights! :D

[Greedy]

Originally posted by acoyote
im the source
I can confirm that. Coenen and I have the same source.

[sk8punk24]

68 bps? Can you say chop, chop, chop, chop...

[M98PainTBaLLeR]

Wered you get your info acoyote? you an employee of Tippmann?

[HurleyHero67]

Originally posted by acoyote
60 BPS w/o chopping
:dodgy:...

I smell a messy promo video...

[Justin The Pyro]

Ok, say it WAS 60 BPS. If you had a 200 round hopper it would drain it in 3.3 seconds. Not only do I disbelieve the bolt can move back and forth 60 times in one second, I also don't think anything can feed that fast, especially with blowback problems and such.

So I think Greedy is BSing us.

[Empyreal Rogue]

The Q-Loader could feed that fast. :P

Also, Coenen said that if you alter the sear and drop the hammer in a Spyder it can do 60 CPS (Cycles Per Second). So it's very possible for the bolt to move that fast. Now for it to shoot that fast, well that's another story.

[acoyote]

to all who think this is BS:
Think what you want, thats what america is for.
but ive seen it. the feedsystem can keep up with the feed to a point. it shot 60 fine. now please keep in mind... this is a prototype. i am 100% sure it will be capped to tourny legal 35 bps.

[Irish Fuzzy]

I agree with Sk8punk 24... Its gotta chop paint at that speed.
It is cool that Tippman can make a gun that fast, but like acoyote said, they gotta stop at 35 bps... tourny rules. Of cours here is scenaro but again, like Jusin sid it would be gone in 3.3 seconds. For that to be fun then you need a super hopper. If the hopperis self contained then it better be hot. :hot:

[crazygunner13]

real gun bolts can move that fast so it isnt impossible,


but i know i know it is a different system:rolleyes:

[Irish Fuzzy]

Not sayin its impossible but this hopper better be good. Still it doesnt matter since i doubt anyone will have it that high.

[Irish Fuzzy]

Wow i just argued myself in a circle. :confused: still i wonder about the hopper...

[acoyote]

further testing showed the paint chopped because of the feeding system (cant tell you any more than that) but they have successfully shot 72bps with no breaks. and yes it lasts like 2 seconds if your using a 200 round hopper.....;)

[sk8punk24]

Will the feeding system be like the Cyclone? I hope to see something new and never seen before. Time to start saving my money up.

[KnUcKiNpHuTs]

i dont see why people keep on doubting this thigs speed... there are
miniguns that can hit 6000 rounds per minute+... and some of them have to feed bullets the size of your forearm, and despite the differences in the way they work, its actually quite similar.

[snap shoot]

Originally posted by KnUcKiNpHuTs
i dont see why people keep on doubting this thigs speed... there are
miniguns that can hit 6000 rounds per minute+... and some of them have to feed bullets the size of your forearm, and despite the differences in the way they work, its actually quite similar.

Same here , we've gone to the moon , we have cures for cancer , and we found out how to slice bread , and we can't make a marker go 68 bps with no chopping? Maybe its because everyone thinks Tippmann is not capable of doing a such thing. We will see when the time comes.

[acoyote]

Originally posted by masspainter66
is it gonna be suction fed?
that is part of it.
Hey i didnt say i couldnt agree with you, i just said i couldnt TELL you;)

[M98PainTBaLLeR]

suction fed..... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[sk8punk24]

Is it like the warp feed?

[{J}aCt()uT]

So could we get any info about the hopper type thing this will have and some stats about it. Where is it mounted, what does it look like, how many pballs does it hold, How fast can the hopper itself feed.:confused:

[M98PainTBaLLeR]

it probly has a system like the A 5. The hopper feeds into a system like the cyclone, the hopper will probly just be a modified gravity hopper.

[Coenen]

Haha, no one pays attention to what I say. I find that quite funny.
Now, PAY ATTENTION:
It's an electro pneumatic chain drive, it feed through a port in the bottom of the marker.

[E r y k]

oh mechanical chain drive... interesting. ;)

[M98PainTBaLLeR]

i dont care about the osiris. suction fed still sounds like a lame idea to me :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[acoyote]

Its an upgrade u have to buy seperate, but its a hybrid. the hopper is a backpack... it holds 2,000 rounds, and uses a quiet suction feed into a chain driven clip system. its capable of over 120 bps.

the stock feeding system im not allowed to say

[E r y k]

i cant wait to see speedball players with a backpack strapped onto their backs feeding paint at unimaginable speeds...

what else is there? x-ray goggles to see thru bunkers?

[dyslexiccow]

120 bps? Backpack mounted hoppers holding 2000 paintballs? Holy Crap... if more companies work on this design and use it... we'll have to be worried about our air capacity instead of ball capacity... that's incredible. i'm seriously considering waiting for this to come out to buy a new marker.

[f2f4]

Wait...so...how again were you able to shoot 72 BPS (or whatever that number was) without massive shoot-down? You say the marker is CO2 compatible...but CO2 is only good for up to ~18 BPS (depending on marker efficiency), and that's only for short bursts of shooting. Even if you had HPA, you'd have to have a helluva regulator to keep up with the kind of flow you're talking about.

As for the cycle speed, I can believe that. Any stacked-tube blow-back can cycle anywhere from 40-70 CPS, depending on certain design specifics such as bolt weight, hammer weight, material (friction), main spring strength, valve spring strength, striker shape (cupped or flat?)...oh, the list goes on...but you get my point.

About the feeding system...I slightly doubt this, but hey, anything's possible.

Looks like we'll just have to wait and see. :)

[Empyreal Rogue]

I still don't know about this. While I do have faith in this I think it might be just some kind of hype build up. Kind of like how the A-5 is the "Fastest Loading Marker" or whatever 99% of A-5 ads say.

But we'll see when it's released, I guess. What I'm wondering, though, is why we have to wait till this time next year before its official release if, apparently, it's being tested to its maximum capabilities now. I mean, heck if the marker as a prototype is shooting 72 BPS then why are they waiting till 2006 to sell it?

[jjddtip]

Because they still have to decide on all of the materials they are using, make a assembly line for the product, and make at least a thousand of them and get them to store shelfs, not to mention they need to find all of the kinks in the gun before they ship it, so it still represents tippmann and there reliability.

[M98PainTBaLLeR]

So they can work out all the bugs, and test it even more. work in more of their ideas, check out other things. look over every little part of the marker, all that kind of stuff.... i dont know what im talking about either.
JUST SHOW US THE DA/\/\N GUN!!!! :D

[acoyote]

its not too late to add or cahnge anything.. if u have some ideas or upgrades post them, and il bring them up at the next conference

[{J}aCt()uT]

The only thing i would say is make it look cool and not be incredibly heavy.:D

[snap shoot]

Acoyote it's almost clear that your have a high power stand in Tippmann. I suggest not to make a new kind of feeding system like you guys did to the A-5. It stood out different and was awesome therfore it got made fun of. I suggest you guys just stick to a regular feedneck.

[sk8punk24]

Yeah, I think you should put a vertical feed neck, and make it come with some kind of Tippmann agitated hopper. The hopper should look kind of like the Halo. And don't make the gun to heavy, and try to keep it small.

[snap shoot]

Originally posted by sk8punk24
Yeah, I think you should put a vertical feed neck, and make it come with some kind of Tippmann agitated hopper. The hopper should look kind of like the Halo. And don't make the gun to heavy, and try to keep it small.

Acoyote almost repeat these same words , and metion they should make the gun light and have a eletric hopper that can be out shot and you will make MILLONS MILLONS I TELL YOU>!!! No serously if you get get Tippmann to have a light , small , vertical feedneck , and a eletric hopper that cant be outrun by human fingers you will make more money then ever.

[sk8punk24]

I don't think Tippmann will stick with the conventional stuff though. I think they are "trying to break boundaries" or some stupid stuff like that.

[crazygunner13]

how is producing somethin better and faster then anything on the market stupid?

and that 120 bps, im guessin it has more then one barrel like a gatlin gun they have on the hellhound, a hand held one would be frickin bad@@@

[asa4575]

What in the hell is driving Tippmann to shove another custom loading system on their new marker?

The loaders out today are just fine.

I don't understand these people.

[dyslexiccow]

Originally posted by asa4575
What in the hell is driving Tippmann to shove another custom loading system on their new marker?

The loaders out today are just fine.

I don't understand these people.

If people had always said that about paintball technology, we'd still have nothing but pump guns, and nitro? nope. we'd be using 12 grams.

[KnUcKiNpHuTs]

it probly has a system like the A 5. The hopper feeds into a system like the cyclone, the hopper will probly just be a modified gravity hopper.

to reach anywhere near, or even a fraction of the speed this things going at, a force fed hopper is absolutely essential.

the osiris is suction fed thats how it can feed 36 bps with a vl200

the Osiris's "suction timing feed system" is a fake in the video the guns acutally only firing 5-8bps, everythign else you hear is dry firing, but this does prove that its low pressure antichop sytem works extremely well.

Its an upgrade u have to buy seperate, but its a hybrid. the hopper is a backpack... it holds 2,000 rounds, and uses a quiet suction feed into a chain driven clip system. its capable of over 120 bps.

the stock feeding system im not allowed to say

the suction feed part being powered by the air source???


Wait...so...how again were you able to shoot 72 BPS (or whatever that number was) without massive shoot-down? You say the marker is CO2 compatible...but CO2 is only good for up to ~18 BPS (depending on marker efficiency), and that's only for short bursts of shooting. Even if you had HPA, you'd have to have a helluva regulator to keep up with the kind of flow you're talking about.


you point being?


I still don't know about this. While I do have faith in this I think it might be just some kind of hype build up. Kind of like how the A-5 is the "Fastest Loading Marker" or whatever 99% of A-5 ads say

true about the A-5 adds, but we are hearing solid numbers here, instead of the adds we are told its actual feed rate.

its not too late to add or cahnge anything.. if u have some ideas or upgrades post them, and il bring them up at the next conference

1. keep it lightweight, but i would stay away from polymers, people simply dont trust them despite there outstanding qualitys

2. keep it efficient, with that kind of power it sounds like a very desirable back gun

3. have good standard features, suchas:
a. 15* ASA
b. a good stock barrel
c. fully adjustable double trigger, preferably blade style
d. an adjustable drop would be interesting
e. steel braided hose and bottomline
f. etc. etc. etc.

3. keep the stock feeding system tight as possible, if theres one thing that you can really stomp on its the bulkiness of todays high end loaders

4. for the love of god make it center feed or we will all laugh at you...

5. keep the price down, dont get grEEdy, if you could introduce a gun that sounds as good as the one you ahve described for less than 1000K im sure that it would be an extremely strong competitor for anything out there.

6. i hope to god that the tolerances are going to be better than the current line up of tippmanns...

7. dont be oblivious numb ****s and offer it in only one color, in todays glossy world of tournaments a bland gun could meen its end, despite outstanding performance, ofcourse, i suppose if it was made of polymer it wouldnt be so easy to do much of a color scheme.

8. make it as user friendly as possible

9. TRAIN YOUR GODDAMN SUPPORT STAFF WELL!! THEY ARE CLUELESS

10. emm... if i come up with any more good ideas ill pm you... i do have some interesting ideas for the A-5....


to all you people who are insisting on a conventional feed system, thats just plain dumb. something new is what sparks interest in a product by consumers, if people want to laugh at it for being different then let them, cuz i guarantee you there hoppers cant feed as fast...



and that 120 bps, im guessin it has more then one barrel like a gatlin gun they have on the hellhound, a hand held one would be frickin bad

:eyes:...o sigh, the point of having multiple barrels on mini-type guns (gatling guns) is to keep them cool. If you had one barrel taking the 6K+ RPM (rounds per minute) that a mini takes it would simply melt due to the friction. However, spreading out the heat between six barrels makes it less intense (1000RPM per barrel). If anything, multiple barrels in a paintball gun would slow it down.

What in the hell is driving Tippmann to shove another custom loading system on their new marker?

The loaders out today are just fine.

I don't understand these people


THATS HALF OF WHATS GOING TO MAKE THIS THING SO AWESOME!!! WITHOUT THE FEED SYSTEM IT WOULD BE A SEMI TRICKED BKO, besides... have you ever tried to hit someone out who didnt have a big monkey testical ontop of there gun? its not like this thing is all bling(yeah i said it), its going to be unbelievably functional, i wouldnt be surprised to see people mmounting it on other high end guns if it can perform as well as weve been told

[asa4575]

Originally posted by dyslexiccow


If people had always said that about paintball technology, we'd still have nothing but pump guns, and nitro? nope. we'd be using 12 grams.
So that justifies them shoving some worthless hunk of junk on the gun that will drive up its price to some ridiculous level?

[Empyreal Rogue]

I say use Polymer. Heck, the Glock and Tek-9 (I think) are made of Polymers and how long have Glocks been standard issue hand guns in our Police and Naval forces? Ever since its production, I believe.

Whether people shun polymer or not it's tough stuff. It's like Carbon Fiber but not as light/tough. Ya' know, it wouldn't be a bad idea to consider Urethane either. Tougher than Carbon Fiber, but not as light. It's still really light stuff though.

[sk8punk24]

They should use carbon fiber, with an aluminum coating/inner shell to go on the inside so the internals dont mess up the carbon fiber. I know I would buy and gun made out of carbon fiber.

[dyslexiccow]

Originally posted by asa4575

So that justifies them shoving some worthless hunk of junk on the gun that will drive up its price to some ridiculous level?

:eyepop: It can feed more than 60 bps, is a brand new idea, and is the entire reason this gun will be special. Plus, if it's between $800 - $1200, it'll be a lot cheaper than some guns, and you call it worthless?

[sk8punk24]

We don't have any verified facts showing that it can go that fast. We just have what the "sources" tell us. I trust them and everything, but until we see the finished product, everything is up to speculation.

[asa4575]

Originally posted by dyslexiccow


:eyepop: It can feed more than 60 bps, is a brand new idea, and is the entire reason this gun will be special. Plus, if it's between $800 - $1200, it'll be a lot cheaper than some guns, and you call it worthless?
Since when does anyone shoot that fast? I could care less if it fed 200 BPS, a customized loader is not needed. There are many other loaders that can keep up with peoples needs and this bulky hunk of garbage is not needed.

[dyslexiccow]

Originally posted by asa4575

Since when does anyone shoot that fast? I could care less if it fed 200 BPS, a customized loader is not needed. There are many other loaders that can keep up with peoples needs and this bulky hunk of garbage is not needed.

People can't shoot (without bounce anyway) more than about 20 bps... and yet they've made many markers that go beyond that. Besides, how do you know it'll be bulky? I'm not saying it definitely won't be, but i doubt you've seen a picture of it either

[asa4575]

How do I know it wont be bulky? Well from our "sources" this feeding system will be loaded on the right side of the gun. Like the A-5. I don't want a faster A-5. I already have an A-5 and its a crock. I don't remember why I bought the G-d forsaken piece of garbage.

[dyslexiccow]

you have a point... whatever, i guess we'll all see if it's worth it when it comes out

[crazygunner13]

knuckinnuts

a gatlin gun style marker, they have them on the hellhound and they work just fine, multiple barrles would allow more bps becasue each barrel has a ball+ comming out of it, im not saying they do exactly waht a minigun does and fires like 16+ bullets out each barrel a second, if they had the rest for show and didnt work, hell, it would look cool anyway right

[KnUcKiNpHuTs]

a gatling style has no need other than cosmetics and show off in a paintball gun. A single barrel gun has the capability to fire faster, and it would be no were near as bulky and cumbersome.

ASA you are one hell of a doubter.... besides, a while back i think coenan mentioned it would be mounted under the gun and feed through a hole underneath, if its like an A-5 it will also serve as a mechanical pre-emptive eye. and i mean wtf is the point in making this gun without having something new??? without the feeding system it would be nothing but another boring electro peumy...

and lets take a look at it from tippmanns perspective, they created the A-5, which was basically a slightly better 98 with a unique feed system and BAM all of a sudden they had a sell out marker, it was a huge succes, so why not try it again, except make it even better.

[asa4575]

Originally posted by KnUcKiNpHuTs

ASA you are one hell of a doubter.... besides, a while back i think coenan mentioned it would be mounted under the gun and feed through a hole underneath, if its like an A-5 it will also serve as a mechanical pre-emptive eye. and i mean wtf is the point in making this gun without having something new??? without the feeding system it would be nothing but another boring electro peumy...
So all the other electros out there are boring because they don't have their own custom loading system? Tippmann doesn't this garbage, they just need a marker that will appeal to more speedball players and is much faster than what they have now.

[Turambar]

Originally posted by asa4575
they just need a marker that will appeal to more speedball players and is much faster than what they have now.
Which is what this will be.

[asa4575]

Originally posted by Turambar

Which is what this will be.

But do they really wan't and or need a custom loading system? Is there an outcry for it?

[CnCmaster4life]

lol this is gonna rawk....I love tippmann but since I'm a speed baller I had to branch away from them ^^ this is great! though I hope that back pack thing was a joke...I dun want to wear a back pack......maybe they could make it look more like a regular pod pack instead so you'll fit in with the crowd more and won't change the image of a speed baller that much :D

[KnUcKiNpHuTs]

So all the other electros out there are boring because they don't have their own custom loading system? Tippmann doesn't this garbage, they just need a marker that will appeal to more speedball players and is much faster than what they have now.

look, its not going to hurt the marker... lets just wait and see what this things like, then we can start making assumptions about its worth.

[Irish Fuzzy]

Whatever it is iom sure its gonna be pretty cool. I am excited about the backpack idea. I play woodsball and scenario ball i woulldn't have to worry about runnin out as much. I hope the have a spot for more than one Co2 bottle though. ooo ooo ooo! They should make a version that has both co2 and paintballs coming from the backpack. Not sure how but hey great for scenario. :banghead:

[{J}aCt()uT]

Yeah it would be pretty cool if the backpack came with a co2 holder with the hose included. It would sell like crazy.:)

[M98PainTBaLLeR]

thats a pretty cool idea, but id like it if tippmann did something with the Q Loader idea.

[Stan_the_HitMan]

90 bps, thats impossible the gun would over heat like a microwave with gasoline in it!
68 bps it would be a straight connected line of paint, balls would be hitting each other in the barrel! paintballs don't physically fall into chamber at 68 bps, there's no way that could work!

[Coenen]

It wouldn't be a connected line of paint there would be no balls hitting each other in the barrel. It takes a phenomonally high ROF to do that, well over 100BPS if memory serves.

Balls do not physically fall into the breech at anything over 12-13BPS, that's as fast as gravity can go, that's whyt all agitated loaders feed 12-13 BPS. This is why we have force fed systems like your Q-loader and this new thing Tippmann is cooking up to help us out a bit.

The marker WOULD NOT overheat, the heating effect is caused by friction between parts, in almost all markers every precaution is taken to REDUCE friction so that the marker can cycle as smoothly and quickly as possible.

/Rant

[KnUcKiNpHuTs]

you people need to read through the rest of the pages before you psot, topics of overheating and the like have been brought up on several occasions and the posters seem to be oblivios to similar post before theres.

[snap shoot]

Originally posted by Stan_the_HitMan
90 bps, thats impossible the gun would over heat like a microwave with gasoline in it!
68 bps it would be a straight connected line of paint, balls would be hitting each other in the barrel! paintballs don't physically fall into chamber at 68 bps, there's no way that could work!

You have not read the whole thing pull out your reading glasses then write.

[asa4575]

Custom loading system = garbage

[Stan_the_HitMan]

OK, if it does theoretically have multiple barrels (eg mini hell hound) i think it would become a big fad, but a fad and that only if it was not built right.
the idea is smart, and also i don't want to see a faster A-5, we need fresh ideas that will make tippmann own once again, im not doubting the marker just speculating, i think you all did when you heard 90 bps, that is kind of hard to swallow.
If it is a revolutionary loader like the Cyclone but more compact it would be an ingenious thing, which is why ts a good thing for them to take their time, so we should all stop rushing it, if such a marker can exist i don't want to push it and get a half *****ed job.
I also agree that they should research into the Q-loader style loaders to take an easy shot of the side of the gun.

And will this mean tippmann is moving out of Scenario and into speed ball as first speculated with the release of the A-5?
Or will this new super gun be able to ge the scenario look like the A-5 was able to maintain?
If it is one barrle and looked like some sort of submachine gun or machine pistole like the A5 did that would be awesome.
if it had multiple barrels It would likely be bulky, but not like Mini gun big, maybe like Wolfenstein 3d Mini gun that is hand held. that would be sweet, id buy it!

and wheres our paintball shotguns? tippmann should defiantly look into this, the only multiple paintball shooting gun is custom double barrel pumps and the EGL-47 under gun launcher that doubles as a shotgun.

back to the high end semi gun, if trigger research and loader research is done to give us the ultimate gun im pro for it and its own loading system.

[KnUcKiNpHuTs]

IT DOESNT AND WONT HAVE MULTIPLE BARRELS!!! THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO POINT IN A MINI GUN TYPE PAINTBALL GUN!!! JAYSUS CHRIST MISTER SLAYVE.

and there is no doubt wut-so-ever that this marker is aimed at the tournament speedball circuit. Furthermore, if you ppl read ahead than you would understand ITS NOTHING LIKE THE A-5 EXCEPT IT HAS ITS OWN LOADING SYSTEM!!! ITS ELECTRO PNEUM!!!:yell: :bullwhip: :freak:

[crazygunner13]

hey hey, the ppl who r sayin more then one barrel,...me and stan r just saying it would look pretty cool, thats what i am saying, so if u dont like it, drop it, jeeeez

[Stan_the_HitMan]

Yeah, seriously you tell us to read ahead when all we are doing is being idealistic and saying what would be cool.

[titus55]

the thing is though, your idea of cool is totally different from whats realistic. correct me if im wrong, but, i highly doubt theyd be able to create a paintball gun with multiple barrels due to the fact that it they wouldnt be able to rotate.and if they did, im sure it wouldnt be flawless...but im still stuck on the idea that they couldnt do it. cool? maybe, certainly not im my opinion. practical? i think not.

[KnUcKiNpHuTs]

its purely a bad idea. The only reason it would be there is for looks. it would increase weight, cost, decrease reliabitliy and cycling ability, its not idealistic at all.

[Coenen]

Originally posted by Stan_the_HitMan
Yeah, seriously you tell us to read ahead when all we are doing is being idealistic and saying what would be cool. Originally this thread was about some inside info that we got about Tippmann's REAL next marker. The point of this thread is realism not idealism.

[crazygunner13]

dudes, just drop it, we thought it would look cool, maybe not realistic but cool, u obviously dont like it, so drop it

[FuzzzET]

well it is a big deal, i mean it's a new Tippmann Marker here! but yeah, we do need to start being real and predict how really the new marker is gonna come out as, then we can know better what we're looking forward too. I for one for sure as hell want to know what it will be called and whats it's features will be if it is, as the dude from Tippmann Effect said, a high-end marker, so lets be realistic here...

[Irish Fuzzy]

Hmmmm... im having problems pictureing a cross between a Bko and a shocker... maybe a picture?:wink2:

[Greedy]

Originally posted by Irish Fuzzy
Hmmmm... im having problems pictureing a cross between a Bko and a shocker... maybe a picture?:wink2:
Unless Coenen got it, I'm the only one with the Hand Drawn (in Paint) picture, and I'm sworn to secrecy.

[Stan_the_HitMan]

Com on, a little peek wont hurt...

(holds gun to side of your head);)

[Greedy]

Haha, try and weasel it out of Coenen.:D

[Irish Fuzzy]

:idea: Quick! everyone spam Coenen and Greedy untill they give up and show us! :D

[Greedy]

I recently found out E R Y K has seen it. I'm sure he'll crack easier than I will :).

[FuzzzET]

what! Show us and save us the anguishing pain! Don't you guys have any conscience whatsoever! O have us mercy and show us, dear god show us *on knees* what is wrong with u ppl!

[Turambar]

I think a certain mod wants to see this picture.

[E r y k]

yea lemme show Killer Kat :P

[sk8punk24]

We really should be able to see this picture. You will be world famous if you show it to us.

[A-5 user]

ahhhh now im wondering! i really wanna see this bad larry. from what ive read it sounds soooooo awesome. please someone show all of us a pic (or maybe just me and it can be our little secret)....

[crazygunner13]

i bet right when we see it, whenever we do, we wont be that impressed, but since we have waited and it is talked up alot, and its a tippy, well fake it and be like, its the coolest lookin marker in the worlddd:eek: ..........:|

[Greedy]

Originally posted by Turambar
I think a certain mod wants to see this picture.

Really? Which Mod is that?

[titus55]

im not quite sure how accurate you are to say well all deny that its uglier than we expect it to be...i mean, look at the tippmanns thatre out now. im sure if people were to base theyre purchases on looks and not performance, as some do, then very few people would own tippmanns. im sure of it. just look at them. theyre ugly. some may think different but i sure didnt base my decision on what paintball marker to get by looks.

[Irish Fuzzy]

were still curious.

[titus55]

i see what youre getting at bein curious and all but the fact that it may or may not be ugly shouldnt have an effect on tippmann owners that may want to get their hands on one when theyre available. as i said somewhere before...performance>appearance. i know thats true and im quite curious too.

[Greedy]

Tura has seen it. :)

[electronix]

somehow i dont buy that this guy is really that far up in the chain but anyway

a black gun always looks good its those crappy purple green combos that kill markers


black is fine stick with it


centerfeed wile a good idea i think for the unique feeding system center feed is nto an option make it bottom or interchangable from left to right dependign on the player


go with a 12 inch barrel

.689 bore size

dont sell it at walmart

anyone who would use co2 on a gun like that is retarded

the backpack thing makes it a high end rec idea which will kill the whole karma of the gun sell the idea to a different
company ands let then make a fool of themselves but still rake in the $$$

if at all posable ajustable trigger weight

the people that are going to buy these guns are tippmann fans and tippmann fans like tippmann because they are cheap and reliable you take out the cheap adn you are not gonna sell alot of em


but then again if you do go cheap like dragun does you will not get any respect and get overlooked

your options are 1000 dollar range and go to a quick victory or 350 range and slowly sell more


but remember 350 guns are ok to have flaws but if you release a 1000 dollar marker nad it has even the smallest of flaws youre sunk

[A-5 user]

yah electronix is right about the whole price thing if i were tippmann i would make it the price of a bko or a b2k which is around 500-700 so you can have an affaordable price and you can still have good quality materials. i know i would buy the new marker if it was the same price as a b2k with pds (cuz i was thinking of getting that thing it looks really sweet ;) )

[Stan_the_HitMan]

Maybe we weren't meant to see it, maybe if we do our eyes will melt and we will explode just like in raiders of the lost arc!
...
i still want to see it.

[Dega_8]

I'll give you a dollar if you let me see it:laugh:

[Irish Fuzzy]

ill give you 2 dollars! *ppphhhhbbbblllllllttttt*:neener:

[M98PainTBaLLeR]

1 million dollars :twocents: :twocents: :twocents: :twocents: :twocents: :twocents: :twocents: :twocents: :D

[Stan_the_HitMan]

I will be your best freind

[Irish Fuzzy]

hmmmm... its not working... we need a new stratagy... maybe bribery? J/K. Puhhhh-leee-leee-leee-zzzz??? Well be real good and never show it another person. And I promise to wash your marker everyday. And ill wax it 2!

[Turambar]

From the picture I saw (not an actual picture, mind you) it's ugly. That's all I will say.

[asa4575]

Originally posted by Turambar
From the picture I saw (not an actual picture, mind you) it's ugly. That's all I will say.

Why is this not suprising?

[Irish Fuzzy]

i dont believe it. u have to show me;)

[Turambar]

Originally posted by asa4575
Why is this not suprising?
It's a picture drawn in paint. That took about 2 minutes. It could have been done MUCH better if the person would have tried.

Irish: Go ahead and not believe all you want. :)

[M98PainTBaLLeR]

i say the pic, now i wish i hadnt. I was like :eek: then like :bawling: what is this world coming to!

[A-5 user]

m98 paintballer u saw the pic? dudududududududude show me pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease!

[M98PainTBaLLeR]

im sworn to secrecy. sry A5 user

[snap shoot]

Have you got my PM M98? I know probally where to find it... * goes to google and finds it*

[M98PainTBaLLeR]

yes i did, go on AIM
my SN is KickYourFaceOff

[snap shoot]

Ok I found a reliable scource and I saw the picture of it. It's not all that great and it was done in about 2 mintues.

[E r y k]

the wonders of mspaint, and reliable sources.

seems like everybody and their grandmas have a "reliable source"

[A-5 user]

ok snapshoot please show me! i gotta see this thing ive been looking on google for half an hour man! gimme a break!

[E r y k]

fine ill post a pic.

http://www.neatstuff.net/guns/Chrome-Plastic-space-gun.jpg

[A-5 user]

curse you and your sarcasm!

[A-5 user]

can i have a clue on where to find a pic of this thing? 1 word? 4 letters? anything!

[Virus780]

A new tippmann man, thats awsome. If only it would come out this year, I cant wait till 2006, I have the money for a high end marker now... If Tippmann had it out now, I'd buy it right away but so far away. If the info above which Greedy shared with us is true, Tippmann will indeed be incredible, insane, unstoppable.. Holy crap I think I just "filled the cup". Sorry I had to share that with you but wow, a Pro Tippmann gun will be a major seller. Think A5 x2. Amazing.

[WM5k]

1 1/2 HOURS IS A LONG ENOUGH SEARCH ON GOOGLE ESPECIALLY WITH 2 PPL LOOKING! This cruel joke has gone far enough! Its time to put this old dog to rest! Whats even 1 key word to search for on google!? Im goin crazy! AGH!!!

[E r y k]

hate to break it to you guys, but who said it was on google?

[chinesebugrepel]

Stumble back into the tippmann forums for once and I find out the company is making the biggest mistake of their known lives. Compared to the train wreck that was the a5, this is a nuclear holocaust.

Let's see, they try to make a more tourny/speedball associated marker. Their only real claims to any kind of greatness are that it cycles over 70cps and can feed over 60bps. Now, considering hoppers today already outrace the potential of human fingers as well as the normal cycle limits of current high end guns, these amazing stats do nothing for performance. Now many of you made a very likely assumption that without the feeding system it's just a glorified bko. I'm betting you're right, performance will really be no better than a bko, b2k, imp or any other mid-level gun. This particular gun comes with a nice high end price tag, which always helps guns sell right?

"But it can actually shoot that fast on full auto" No one gives a rats ***. Full auto reaches out to two groups of people...noobs and outlaw players. If I was to choose 2 groups to sell a high end gun to, it would be those who in most cases don't even think of spending $800 on a gun.

The only reason I see for these amazing stats is bragging rights. But those will easily be thrown aside when people see that you wasted your money on this flabby hunk of whale ****.

So, "Mr. Source" (who's name I can't remember and don't care to look back for, no offense), you asked for suggestions, I'll give you one. Forget the fancy loader and the awesome modes of fire. Stick to actual features that improve performance like lower kick, trigger responsiveness and such. Tell tippmann to stop thinking like total noobs if they want to get anywhere in this market.

[Stan_the_HitMan]

Oh here, i found a good picture Drawn in Paint!
Dont every body thank me at once!

[M98PainTBaLLeR]

:laugh: nice job stan!

[KnUcKiNpHuTs]

although i find your arguement compelling burger, id have to say the A-5 wasnt exactly a train wreck (not that im defending it)

[Irish Fuzzy]

I SAW IT! and for 20 buck ill show it t-t-to *snort* y-y-y-you!*snort HAHAHAHA* :elaugh:

[snap shoot]

I said it was on google so they would stop pming me . But that didn't work . :( . O well you guys have to wait till 06 to see it.

[WM5k]

so has anyone actually seen a pic of it? im confused.

[snap shoot]

Yes some of us have some of us haven't it's a pic drawn in 2 mintues with Ms.Paint could be better could be worse. It looks like a cross between an Impulse and a Cocker nothing special.

[sk8punk24]

Does it have the front pneumatics and the back block?

[snap shoot]

You must find out for yourself. My good freind showed me the pic and I promised him I wouldn't give out any real specs or anything. Sorry.

[sk8punk24]

Then can you show us the ms paint picture?

[ace6160]

Originally posted by snap shoot
You must find out for yourself. My good freind showed me the pic and I promised him I wouldn't give out any real specs or anything. Sorry.

Sure.

[snap shoot]

Originally posted by ace6160


Sure.

Sure...?

[sk8punk24]

Somebody has to show the world the pics. Or at least show me. I don't understand what harm could be done by showing a couple people a crude drawing of a paintball gun.

[DeltaSniper179]

not the pic you're all talking about, but i guess it'll do for now

[Irish Fuzzy]

:confused: :confused: :confused: Thats th pictre?:confused: :confused: :confused:

[Turambar]

Originally posted by Irish Fuzzy
:confused: :confused: :confused: Thats th pictre?:confused: :confused: :confused:
No.

[E r y k]

well its very similar... its both black and drawn in paint...

trust me guys its nothing special... just picture a fruity BKO.

[KnUcKiNpHuTs]

although i find this small class of members who have seen the pic, and keep it exclusively to themselves, profoundly "third grader keep a stupid secret essent", after all, if they can see it anyone can. But, this whole rush to weedle the picture out of them is almost as retarded, after all, if theyre not gonna show it theyre not gonna show it, and begging them to do so is only going to make them even mroe stubborn. Personally, i dont particularly want to see a drawing done in MS paint, i can wait for the real thing.

[M98PainTBaLLeR]

Tura can i post the picture? I feel bad for these guys...........:(

[A-5 user]

m98 send it to me ;) dude im so damn impatient

[M98PainTBaLLeR]

but then i have to send it to fuzzy, and all those other guys..........:| OR! i have another idea! i could just tell all of you buggers to SHUT UP! :D but that wouldnt be nice :( im so confused :confused: :confused: :confused: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[crazygunner13]

if u guys werent gonna show all of us then u shouldnt have said anything about it, its like i saw it now be jealous so i will feel superior

[crazygunner13]

what the heck happened to ur picture man

[sk8punk24]

Originally posted by crazygunner13
what the heck happened to ur picture man

Yeah, you said that you felt bad for us all and were going to show it to us.

[titus55]

if you thought he was gonna show it to ya...thenyou must be very gullable. im just as excited to see this thing as much as you are and yeah im hopin they put up the pic even though its just some chickrn scratch in ms paint, or thats what it sounds like, but you dont see me beggin do ya? just lay off guys. if they decide to post it and share it with the rest of us then theyll put it up. but until then regain your sanity and stop your naggin.

[Stan_the_HitMan]

What happend to you man? you used to be cool!

[acoyote]

red= path of co2. the path of co2 is different than the path of n2. the box under the trigger is a built in x-chamb. it has a gauge on the asa, and a reg built in.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/acoyote/tippbasic.bmp

[IfItWoUlDmAtTeR]

You guys are pathetic If their commin out with a new marker great. If not w/e. You dont have to act like little 3rd graders who want some candy or something. And most likely if a Picture leaked out everyone would see it because we all know how bad human are at keepin things secret.

[Greedy]

Originally posted by acoyote
red= path of co2. the path of co2 is different than the path of n2. the box under the trigger is a built in x-chamb. it has a gauge on the asa, and a reg built in.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/acoyote/tippbasic.bmp
That's the same picture I"ve seen, except mine was a bit larger.

Everyone who's asked me I've told them it's a hand drawn picture in paint. That's it, it's like a court-room, people can be there but can' take pictures. You get the idea of what's going on but you can't see exactly.

There you have it.

[Stan_the_HitMan]

meh, its good enough for me

[M98PainTBaLLeR]

greedy told me not to post it! he was gonna go tell turambar on me............ and get me banned or something.

[Greedy]

Originally posted by M98PainTBaLLeR
greedy told me not to post it! he was gonna go tell turambar on me............ and get me banned or something.
I fully deny all accusations.

[M98PainTBaLLeR]

WTF? i have the Logs in Trillian. I could post them if i were on MY computer. BTW trillain is a IM program that records all conversasion if you guys didnt know what it is.

[Greedy]

I still completely deny all accusations.

Even so you didn't post them so who cares?

[M98PainTBaLLeR]

Calm down, bud.

As for all you people that were whining: it's a badly drawn picture, I personally would rather have gone without seeing it.

-Turambar
!

[KnUcKiNpHuTs]

originally, hell just a few posts back, i didnt really care about seeing this picture, but now, the picture is more of a symbol, an insignia of the higher class. Im tired of a few of you people oogling this pic and hiding it from the rest of us, its annoying, immature, and selfish. As i said before, if you can see it, we can see it and if turambar bans you for it then congrats, your a martyr

[FuzzzET]

amen to that brotha

[titus55]

couldnt have said it better myself knuckinphuts. well put.

[808paintball808]

:eyes: cant wait for it!

[M98PainTBaLLeR]

I wanna be a martyr!

[Stan_the_HitMan]

who cares im just going to buy an angel and wait until 2006
it would be better than sitting here and arguing over something drawn in paint i could get a delusional bum on the street to draw until then

[Irish Fuzzy]

im sorry guys, i's just kiddin, didnt mean no harm:(

[sk8punk24]

I don't think its going to be that bad. I kinda think BKO's look cool. Even if the pic is drawn in paint, I still think its going to be cool.

[Vowohu]

I don't trust any of you suns of guns,

I doubt that anyone has seen it, and i'm starting to think this whole thing is a joke.. come on guys don't believe the hype.

[FuzzzET]

thats what i was thinking...i guess we gotta wait till next yer then...

[arson51]

wow my friend's(delta sniper) satiral sketch of the gun, was actually better than the real thing. i refuse to believe that was the real picture!!!

[titus55]

well, arson, thats just a rough (very rough might i add) rendering of what the new marker will look like. im sure it will turn out nice compared to the drawing cause thats just pitiful! haha! im sure it could be made better in an AutoCad program or in some other application.

[Vowohu]

Once again, don't believe the hype. It's not what you think you know, it's what you can prove. I don't believe a word of it until i see cold hard evidence. The fact is NOBODY here can give me 100% real proof. I think its just a big stupid joke, and here's the thing. There's one thing called common sense. what was it... 65 bps? come on guys, i don't bel ieve that one at all. Don't believe the hype, I would place major bets on this.

[nadrethepadre]

I am looking forward to seeing a new gun but i don't think that 60+ bps is practical. I hope that you can turn the thing down to like 46 bps even that would be sick. And we are talking about a tippmann here I thought that the almighty timmys were the best. I have an A-5 myself and think that the thing is awsome but it still is not as fast a my storm timmy.Lets face it 60+ bps would be useless except for bragging rights heheheheh. I have put a piece of metal into the gap between the sear and the pin it pivots on in both the a-5 and 98. The thing hits 40 bps. It is like a full auto mechanical marker. but not even a cyclonecan feed that fast anyone have any ideas? :|

[KnUcKiNpHuTs]

anyone who believes that a gun cant reach 60bps needs to get out of the tippmann forum more often.

nadre i wouldnt start thi full auto mod **** again.

[chinesebugrepel]

Originally posted by KnUcKiNpHuTs
anyone who believes that a gun cant reach 60bps needs to get out of the tippmann forum more often.
Have you ever seen a gun do it? Or are you just basing that off the sales pitch of a company representative who is sure to stretch the truth a little bit.

[Vowohu]

Originally posted by KnUcKiNpHuTs
anyone who believes that a gun cant reach 60bps needs to get out of the tippmann forum more often.

nadre i wouldnt start thi full auto mod **** again.

Show me a gun that will go over 45 and i'm convinced, all I need is a link~

Maybe your little paint sketch is real, but come on. First it goes lets say.. 35, yea i can believe that. The next guy hear's it and makes it say... 40, and so on and so forth. Say what you want I won't believe it like a fool.

[Hmmm Donut]

This is all hype. Even if u could sustain 60bps, :laugh: the only thing u would be acomplishing is wasting a hell of alot of paint. Why would anyone even need to shoot that fast anyway.

[Vowohu]

Originally posted by Hmmm Donut
This is all hype. Even if u could sustain 60bps, :laugh: the only thing u would be acomplishing is wasting a hell of alot of paint. Why would anyone even need to shoot that fast anyway.

Atleast i'm not the only one not believing this. I couldn't agree more.

[Hmmm Donut]

Companys now should improve the actual paintballs not the feed systems, cause high end markers now exp. timmmys angel etc.. can shoot faster than most peoples fingers can move.

[FuzzzET]

exactly, they should really focus on other things on the marker like a very nice stock barrel, efficiency, durability, ect. instead of how fast the marker can shot...i mean think about it, a marker shooting at 60bps sure wouldn't be allowed in tournaments, hell in any game. second, who would wanna run through paintballs that fast, sure as hell a lot of money wasted through. and third even if it can shoot 60bps, i bet it will be a crappy high-end marker and won't even come to nice standards...

[chinesebugrepel]

That's exactly it, nice to see there are still some smart posters who don't blindly follow everything tippmann says.

Let me also say that even if it somehow does feed and cycle 60 times a second, you'd get MASSIVE shootdown because I know tippmann hasn't come up with a valve or tank that can recharge near that speed. Also, being that the marker doesnt use spool valve and has a hammer, 60 recoils per second would obliterate accuracy.

[FuzzzET]

it would nice to see if tippmann comes out with a marker with a better stock barrrel, a REASONABLE cycle rate, better efficency with co2, better internals like a better a valve that could recharge faster or stock bolt improved..possibly no moving external parts like a very nice and improved cocking system, durability and reliabilty of course and maybe the first marker with idk some new technology that would make o-rings more indestructable or at least last longer, maybe even away to take away o-rings lol haha u never know but hey, just an idea. also, ik this has been mentioned before, but i do hope the new marker stays with the "unique", "rugged", but "sexy" original look of Tippmann and not make it all spazy, glamourous, shiny and all of that like an autococker or sypder copy off. i want this marker to be as original, new, and revolutionary as possible but i just sure hope to god they don't make a marker that suxs arse but can shoot "60BPS RATE OF FIRE" *oooooomg oooooooooooooo aweeeeeeeeee* w/e

[Os_Gardi]

Lord, I want to believe it, but it doesn't follow with tippmanns past history: Reasonabley priced guns for the masses and masses of recballers. That being said, 60bps isn't really all that implausible, with halos able to reach 50bps in bursts, and a new hopper system sounds like something tippmann would cook up, but then again hoaxers would know that..... Ah well, its sure got me interested. I hope it pans out, even if all the "features" aren't there.

[baintballer14]

Ok if it has a 68 bps capability that dont mean that anyone is gonna be shooting that much. i dont tkink anyone will be dumb enough too shoot 200 rounds in 3 seconds

[nadrethepadre]

60 bps would be cool but is also not going to happen. The full auto mechanical 98 dosn't work but i think there might be a way. Somebody told me that if i polish my internals and get a palmers stabelizer reg i can get the gun running 520-530 psi. Is this true?

[acoyote]

who said anything about shooting 68bps? thats just its maximum balls per second. so really.. it can shoot as fast as you want it to.
but the 68bps board isnt coming stock, you have to buy it seperate. the stock will be capable of 30+