What do you think of when you hear "sniper"

[NickR]

I recently was talking to one of my buds on the phone and we began talking about paintball. It all started when I told him he would be wasting his money if he bought a scope. I told him it would be usless because pb guns arnt accurate enough. Then somehow wh got into this argument on snipers. He says that a sniper is a person who sneaks up right next to someone and shoots'em in the arse. I told him that no, the snipers are looked at as the long range people with pretty accurate guns even though most snipers use the flatline and its not accurate. So in his quest to not be proven wrong he got out some *** book that be bough to tell him how to play. The book said that snipers are hunters(whatever the hell they mean by that). He asked me what I thought that ment. I told him that usualy hunters hide out in one place and shoot anything that comes by, usualy from a distance except during bow season. He said no, that the snipers went up next to the people on the other team and shoot them from two feet away. I told him that kind of person is called a sneaky b*stard and doesnt exist because that is imposible to do. So I have come here to ask you people what you think. Is the sniper a person who does long range shooting from the back or the "hunter"(kinda *** sounding if ya ask me) who sneaks up next to the people. And he said that the snipers are the coolest and funest positions. I say no, its alot funner to go run and get up close and personal with the other team. That is where true instincts, knowledge, and reflexes are put to the test. But just comment on this whole post.

[PDL_Drummer]

snipers are difinately long range.

[Richy_C]

snipeings no fun, i live for hyperball and sup air

[NickR]

That is exactly what I think. If you have ever realy noticed, all the snipers are newbies who have Compact 2000s with those stupid plastic barrel extinsion things. If you look at veterans, they go up and play agresivley. They scare the newbie snipers when they get in the bunker 15 feet away from the sucky newbies who are to afraid to actualy go up and play using skill.

[Creek]

snipers are someone that is place to kill be it long range or short. they while for who ever they sent out to kill.Its a ly in wait.Swat teams use snipers from roof tops to take out a target etc.Snipers are marksman.In paintball is called camping cause you are not there cause they or you know i will walk that path etc.Your just hoping something comes along.

[Creek]

Nick i don't know what kind of newbies you play agaist but when we have them we take them under our wing and drag there butts too the fire fight.We dont camp,unles there gaurding the flag and we dont use newbies too do that.

[NickR]

I play rec ball walk on games. There is no flag. Just go shoot until there is no longer an enemy team. My freind is planing on being a "sniper" or camping wuss on the rec field. He is kinda full of himself. He thinks he is James Bond and is smarter than every other person on the damn field. He doesnt understand that he wont be some little recon special agent guy who will sneak up behind the other team and shoot them each in the back of the head and never get shot. In reality everyone has about the same inteligence and is planning to do the same thing. Thats why all the good people always do something different. I asked him "What are you going to do when they are sneaking around behind you?" He said "How are they gonna be following me if I'm sneaking around?" I then told him"How do you expect to follow them around if they are sneaking around to?" He then went silent. He said that he would do better than them. That is the sign of weakness, when you dont expect the opponent to be a challenge and you underestimate them.

[Creek]

Well we do the flag thing when the people start there camping stuff, had the other side camp the whole game took us about 10 mins too get too where they where. and then had to leap frog too get close too them.Sucked big time.

[skippy8]

sniper is exactly what it means. History lesson. Back way back when.like colonial times or something.People would try to hunt a bird called a "snipe".It was the ultamate hunting and marksmen challenge cuz da birds got da quickness. And people labeled the marksmen elite "Sniper".Sniper reminds me of .50 cal, 1and1/2 mile effectivness,one shot one kill, ghille suit, two man squads, navy seals, stuff like that.They don't run up to people.Usually.They probably teach them hand to hand. But for the most part its all about long-range,quietness, and accuracy. No james bond crap. I want to see that new movie enemy at the gates. When a german and russian sniper face off. I know how it ends. Want to know?? PM me or something.

[Oreo]

Ok NickR, lots of people argue if a "sniper" exists in paintball at all. Personally I would say that sniping in its "true" form dosent exist for numerous reasons. Paintball guns lack the distance and acuracy and if you want the games to end this century hiding in one spot all damn day isnd prudent. Like you said sneaking up behind people is NOT something people can reproduce at will. When it happens its like a funny little blessing from god you laugh about all day, but not nearly a regular thing, nor can it be.
So, what of snipers? Well sniping exists in a wierd b*stardization in paintball (IMO). To me "snipers" are the people in gillie suits or some form of 3d camo who try their hardest to blend into the the enviroment. Their style involes the element of surprise in many cases, either camping or stalking a victim. For the most part im pretty sure most snipers would turn down the flatline barrels for a very accurate barrel and many like to go with a pump just for kicks (admitidly its funny when you tag someone like that and it does take a certain skill level)
Well thats all for now,
peace
_Oreo

[Edited by Oreo on 03-14-2001 at 10:57 PM]

[Phaelon Veritas]

whoops looks like I wandered into the newbies forum...

[elTwitcho]

lol

[MuckRaker]

I take it that this means I won't be able to order a martini at this bar ... hmmm, I'm getting tired and I need a drink

Oh, Wait, this isn't the Shaken N Stirred Forum :eek: I must be on the wrong Web site. :eek:

[Mad Ogre]

I think of someone I used to know... White Feather was what he was called. I called him Sir.
Rest in peace, my friend...

[Paintball Monkey]

when I hear sniper in paintball, I think NEWBIE...

[Intruder]

exactly, hey nickr, has your friend actually played paintball? Or is he just like my brother in thinking he would be great because he is small and figures he can climb up trees and shoot people, lol.

[Predator]

I've seen some sniping in paintball, but it only exists in rec woods play. I've been shot at and when I look around I don't see anybody because my buddy was all camo'd up.

[MuckRaker]

Originally posted by Intruder
exactly, hey nickr, has your friend actually played paintball? Or is he just like my brother in thinking he would be great because he is small and figures he can climb up trees and shoot people, lol.

The first time I took my son to play, he said he had a great strategy, he was gonna climb up a tree and "snipe" people as they walked by ... then I asked him, "So what's your plan if five or six people see you in the tree and decide to start shooting at you?"

Needless to say, that plan never came to be.

[elTwitcho]

I'm gonna get a bunch of old tires, then paint em bright yellow, and make some cardboard fins stickin out the side, turn it into a suit, then I'll be the worlds first "sup'air field sniper". Watch out boys, that bunker you slide into next, may not be a bunker.... it could be me!

[NickR]

all good responses. Aspecialy the one about how there isnt sniping in paintball. But in a way there is. The snipers are the people who do long range(in paintball terms) and sit in the back like a wuss. I'm gonna show my bud this thread and see what lame *** explanation he has for being wrong. Just one more thing people, is it just me or is there not one pro that is a "sniper"? I dont know why but all the "snipers"(cowards) that I know are newbies.

[skippy8]

i hope you guys weren't trying to call me a newbie cuz i didnt mention paintball once in my reply. Thought i'd give you some insight on REAL snipers. cuz dad is a SEAL.

yes i have a friend whom just started paintball and claims he's a sniper. A sniper that has been shot 8 times and hasnt had 1 kill.

[Richy_C]

Originally posted by NickR
That is exactly what I think. If you have ever realy noticed, all the snipers are newbies who have Compact 2000s with those stupid plastic barrel extinsion things. If you look at veterans, they go up and play agresivley. They scare the newbie snipers when they get in the bunker 15 feet away from the sucky newbies who are to afraid to actualy go up and play using skill.
you called it! and skippy, don't be dumb, it's an elimination, if it's a kill, itt ain't paintball, it's murder, if it's a hit or, elimination, then yes my friend it is paintball, u give paintball bad PR, i'm sick of people saying kills or war, it's not "war" its a skirmish,

[NickR]

Of course! War and kills is bad! We dont like war, we just imitate it in almost every way that we can when we play paintball.

[Dräko]

when i hear sniper in paintball i think poser. When im talking to someone i havent met before about paintball and they say there a sniper i think "heres someone who has no idea what there talking about". Now it could be there actually really good and have a nice technique but chances are there really just a poser. My two cents

[skippy8]

chill man.I give PB a bad rep?? I grew up in a military family so just don't cry about it. Sorry if it slipped.
and when you say kill. If you bothered to read the little sticker thingy on the side of your marker it says could cause serious injury or death. so it is potentially paintball. Who cares if PB has a tarnished rep?? You're out there having fun with your friends. and if you do come across someone who trips on pb, they're just showing their own ignorance. Any ways just chill it slipped by. don't instigate me.

[skippy8]

may i add.I don't personally think there are snipers in paintball.BUT WORRGAMES notice the "WORR" in WORRGAMES. makes a paintball marker called the "SNIPER" and the "SNIPER II" and then the "SNIPER III" grandfather to the great AUTOCOCKER. you know, the high end semi that everyone and their dog has. So there are marker producers in the industry that might think paintball resembles war and produces the sniper series.

[Richy_C]

i think u missed my point.......

[Counterfeit]

Originally posted by skippy8
may i add.I don't personally think there are snipers in paintball.BUT WORRGAMES notice the "WORR" in WORRGAMES. makes a paintball marker called the "SNIPER" and the "SNIPER II" and then the "SNIPER III" grandfather to the great AUTOCOCKER. you know, the high end semi that everyone and their dog has. So there are marker producers in the industry that might think paintball resembles war and produces the sniper series.

To be correct it is wORR not WORR. The ORR is for Bud Orr the owner of WGP.

Just thought I'd throw that in :D

[Dräko]

Haha, good to know counterfeit, good to know...

[Richy_C]

give it to 'im!

[skippy8]

if the guy is Orr why isn't it Orr Games. They slapped w on to make it worr. Do you have anything to say about the sniper???? or cocker??

[Dräko]

Dang, chill out man, were all good here

[skippy8]

just tryna get a point across. Shoting people with ammunition and stalking people and inflicting pain is based on war.

[Counterfeit]

Originally posted by skippy8
just tryna get a point across. Shoting people with ammunition and stalking people and inflicting pain is based on war.

First off a paintball is not amunition.
Secondly, most people don't waste the time to "stalk" other players. Paintball is to fast paced for that kind of action.
Finnally, inflicting pain??? What the **** are you talking about? There is no infliction pain in paintball. Is the pain involved, yes, all sports have a certain degree of pain involved. But the goal of paintball is not to inflict pain, kill, destroy or any of that BS.

Please do not take this as a flame. I am just stating a few simple facts.

The people who want to live in some wierd fantisey world and want to play army should join a milism group that plays milism War games. Just don't try to make paintball something that it is not, never was and hopefully never will be.

-Counterfeit

[skippy8]

you need to chill. you can talk As much as you like paintball was based on shooting flying projectiles at each other and hitting each other to get them out if thats how you want it said. Saying it wasn't is a flat out lie. The army trains soldiers in "skirmishes" with what hmmmm paint ammunition. That fact is paintball has developed into a sport yes. but its roots are in war. The army and paintball appeal to the same demographic and you can't say it isn't. just chill out.

[Creek]

whoa and i thought i needed to take a chill pill.I got a few left in my bottle if anyone wants one

[Counterfeit]

Originally posted by skippy8
you need to chill. you can talk As much as you like paintball was based on shooting flying projectiles at each other and hitting each other to get them out if thats how you want it said. Saying it wasn't is a flat out lie. The army trains soldiers in "skirmishes" with what hmmmm paint ammunition. That fact is paintball has developed into a sport yes. but its roots are in war. The army and paintball appeal to the same demographic and you can't say it isn't. just chill out.

LOL!! Chill out?? was that a joke? Were did I seem upset or overly ecited? Remember buddy, this is a message board you can't tell someones voice inflection. :D

Also paintballs roots are not in War at all. The first games and stratigies were games of tag, capture the flag, and hide and go seek. The first games were played by Cattle farmers and forest workers. I really do not see any military relationship there. Do you?

Yes paintball gear can be used for milism and war games, But that is not the sport of paintball. That is people using paintball equiptment for milism. Paintball itself is not a wargame and does not have any roots in military. That does not mean the equiptment can't be used to play war, which plenty of people do in their milism groups. It just means that paintball itself has nothing to do with war.

-Counterfeit



[Edited by Counterfeit on 03-15-2001 at 08:37 PM]

[FlyBoyNZ]

For everbody's information, NickR doesn't even own a paintball gun. He has played less times than I have. And a Pro/carbine is a great entrly level gun. Now on to this sniper subject. There are styles people play by in paintball, these are my own little names and diffinintions.

Very Aggressive: People who play by this style think they are in The Matrix or have just seen a cool action movie. They generally don't last long and are spotted in the 1st minute of the game. They are on the front lines and waste a lot of paint when you only need a nice projectile path and 1 hit.

Aggresive: They are not so pumped up and also tend to waste paint but not so much. They add some tatics and stealth to their moves.

Solo and Stealthy: They live by the motto "One shot one kill". Budget players start out as these because paint is expensive and all you need is 1 hit. There is 10 on a team, you have 200 paintballs, no need to waste them all. These people generally use stealth and accuracy. In paintball you can't shoot someone at 300 ft. (If you can, email me!). They might wait for a shot to reach the target before firing another. Long distance has no place in paintball. They know the saying "You can't hit what you can't see.) and laughs when the guy you shot is looking to see who shot him. These players are not wusses or afraid, they just know that a guy can't hit something he can't see (if you can, email me!). "One shot one kill".

Changer: This is me, if i'm in a good spot then i will be aggressive, if i am far up the field and have not been spotted, then i will break from my buddies and go solo and stealthy, if im low on paint ill do that do. Changers switch between stlyes.

[MuckRaker]

OK Skippy, I've read through your arrogant postings and I'm wondering to myself ... "This guy thinks inflicting pain is part of the game, So, on his Military Fantasy Island, do they shoot someone, and then to make sure the dude is out, they run up and give him the Fist of Death?"

I mean, I don't know why you have such a bad attitude, maybe because you call yourself Skippy, maybe that's why you need the Zombie avatar, to make up for that lack of self esteem. Then to top things off you come on here talking about killing folk and inflicting pain ... Son, do you have a small John Thomas or something?

Let's face it, on every paintball field I've played on, you intentionally hurt someone, you're ejected from the field and most likely won't be allowed back in the forseable future.

Oh, and by the way, talking that trash might work in Boot Camp, but your not impressing anyone here. But hey, that's just me.

[FlyBoyNZ]

Pain, makeing someone hurt is the last thing i want to do. Skippy, paintball is not about pain, but it does happen when a paintball hits you at 200mph, but it is better than playing with Nerf guns. The object of the game is to eliminate the other team or get the flag. Once a ref dared me to shoot a guy in the foot at close range in the parking lot for $10, i said no becasue its not cool to do that. Get my point Skippy?

[Dräko]

Nice input from someone new to the board. shall we expect you around more?

[FlyBoyNZ]

mabye

[elTwitcho]

AUUUUUUGH!!!! Do you have any idea what it's like to have to moderate you people??? lol, but I digress, Muck is dead on about his post about pain, beer goggles and the "Fist of death". Rather than state my opinion, just take a little piece of masking tape, and write "elTwitcho" on it, stick it over your monitor where muck's name would be, and read his post. Well said muck


(And just messin around about that moderating crack, I asked for this, and I love it :D )

[TLplus84]

paintball wasn't started because of war..i thought it was just a bunch of people who were tagging cows and stuff, and decided to have a little fun...i don't see ANY military involvement in the growth of paintball..true paintballs are used at mock ammunition...but that has nothing to do with the sport itself.

[SmartBall]

:eek: :eek:

Ahhh, figured....

[NickR]

Whats that soposed to mean?

[MuckRaker]

I came, I saw, I flamed ... and then went out for Chinese. :eek:

[Paintball Monkey]

on the issue of Worr Game Products and the Sniper pump... You have to look at when they came about. When paintball first started, there were very few people playing it, and those that did play it were generally the survivalist type. The first company to produce "paintball only" equipment was NSG, National Survival Games. Back then, with the small amount of publicity, the lack of politically correctness and other stuff it was acceptable to call paintball a war game. Paintball today is different. The sport is under constant scrutiny by law-makers, parents, and the general public. I don't care if you were the son of Norman Schwartzkopf, saying that you "kill people" and that you "imitate war" is wrong. I spent some time in the military, and I don't have a problem distinguishing between the two. You asked who cares if the name is tarnished? All it takes is one person to ruin it for everyone. Look at gun control and don't think that it can't happen to paintball!

[FlyBoyNZ]

The Phantom by CCI is one of the best guns if your looking for accuracy and range. People say that with this pump they have been able to hit 1ft by 3ft boards at 200ft. I want one, not the board, the gun.

[skippy8]

muckraker those were some shallow comments. I thought i could come in here and express some opinions and not have 10 people crap all over them. The zombie on my avatar is Resident Evil a popular video game (If you wanted to know).
Couldn't we have a lively arrgument?? The comment on my thomas johnson really crossed the line.

[MuckRaker]

Seems there are more of us who think you're comments are out of line ... and only one of you who think my comments are outta line ... Do the math, Mob Rules.

[Creek]

Math i didn't do well in math i lucky too even be able too add 4+4= 10.

[skippy8]

I couldn't care if someone dissed on my opinions on paintball. Counterfeit could diss my opinions all day long. He was dissing my paintball disposition. whatever cool. Leave it at paintball or anything directly related. When you try to diss me on my self esteem, my wang, and my avatar for god sakes. You can really manipulate my words too. Nowhere did i talk about MY fantasy island. I talked about the military being similar to paintball.THATS MY OPINION!!!. And nowhere did i say i like to hurt people with paintball markers. I said it was a part of the game. I'm not like those retards in alaska who shot the eskimos. I know someone whose comments are outta line it starts with a muck and ends in a raker. That really pissed me off. BAD



I'll be silent now........

[MuckRaker]

Originally posted by skippy8
just tryna get a point across. Shoting people with ammunition and stalking people and inflicting pain is based on war.

Gee, you didn't say this??? Sounds like your justifying inflicting pain on players because Paintball is a "Worrgame," or maybe you don't recall talking about Worrgames products ...

Originally posted by skippy8
BUT WORRGAMES notice the "WORR" in WORRGAMES. makes a paintball marker called the "SNIPER" and the "SNIPER II" and then the "SNIPER III" ... So there are marker producers in the industry that might think paintball resembles war and produces the sniper series ... if the guy is Orr why isn't it Orr Games. They slapped w on to make it worr.

Or what about this one Originally posted by skippy8
you can talk As much as you like paintball was based on shooting flying projectiles at each other and hitting each other to get them out if thats how you want it said. Saying it wasn't is a flat out lie. The army trains soldiers in "skirmishes" with what hmmmm paint ammunition. That fact is paintball has developed into a sport yes. but its roots are in war. The army and paintball appeal to the same demographic and you can't say it isn't. just chill out.

Sounds like someone revels in the "War" connection to me ... It's really easy to roar like a lion when you're on the other end of a modem connection.

[SmartBall]

Muck, good come back, or shall i say win? good job ;)

[TLplus84]

wow muck...good comeback...

[skippy8]

Originally posted by MuckRaker

OK Skippy, I've read through your arrogant postings and I'm wondering to myself ... "This guy thinks inflicting pain is part of the game, So, on his Military Fantasy Island, do they shoot someone, and then to make sure the dude is out, they run up and give him the Fist of Death?"

I mean, I don't know why you have such a bad attitude, maybe because you call yourself Skippy, maybe that's why you need the Zombie avatar, to make up for that lack of self esteem. Then to top things off you come on here talking about killing folk and inflicting pain ... Son, do you have a small John Thomas or something?

Let's face it, on every paintball field I've played on, you intentionally hurt someone, you're ejected from the field and most likely won't be allowed back in the forseable future.

Oh, and by the way, talking that trash might work in Boot Camp, but your not impressing anyone here. But hey, that's just me.


Ok heres the downlow. Ok I'm from missouri OK.THE SHOW ME STATE. We are very opinionated and never believe things until we see it with flying colors. So when I'm arrogant(which most teenagers are. you were one too) or a flatout hardass thats my bad. I don't like when people interject(which rubbs me the wrong way anyway) but when you interject a bunch on BS about my self-esteem, and never did i say i wanted to kill people or inflict pain, or my WANG(which is all us guys seem to have in this feminist world) Your steppin' on some toes. I'll addmit I got carried away.

[SmartBall]

:sighs:
I hope, It's really startin to drag on. Remember people of the board, you shouldn't beat a dead horse. But... Muck has some of the funniest lines here :)

BTW, what was the topic ;)

[Incube]

skippy said
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Ok heres the downlow. Ok I'm from missouri OK.THE SHOW ME STATE. We are very opinionated and never believe things until we see it with flying colors. So when I'm arrogant(which most teenagers are. you were one too) or a flatout hardass thats my bad. I don't like when people interject(which rubbs me the wrong way anyway) but when you interject a bunch on BS about my self-esteem, and never did i say i wanted to kill people or inflict pain, or my WANG(which is all us guys seem to have in this feminist world) Your steppin' on some toes. I'll addmit I got carried away. [/B][/QUOTE]

Heres the downlow????????? NE way homes (haha) i think you are one screwed up lil dude. so you say paint ball is a sportive way to inflict pain you may not of said it like that but thats what you are getting at. also paintball was never before used for milatairy training it was for marking mad cows from a safe distance. the army only started to use paintball after 6 years of it becoming a sport, and i have a hard time beliving that you play paintball you have like one big fantasy about you and paintball "oh look at me i am a army specail agent" paintball is someway like war but not really. ok. we shot balls they shot bullets they play to kill and win we play for fun. i think unless you change your retarted views on paintball you should leve this site.
io also belive that muck is tha man and if you dis him you got to deal with all of us.
and i no longer want to see you write anything about you saying that it is good or wahtever to hurt peeps and i dont want to see you gloryfy hateing newbies (god bless their little harts) (and god know you were once one if you really play piantball!!) so just stay away from me untell you have something truely smart to say or you acully have a point that is a good one.
also i sniper is someone who has i good shot and can hit targgets from a good range (thats what i think) sorry for misspells i was typeing fast!

[skippy8]

your a little late on that bud. I tried to bring a little closure to this argument but ohwell. I'll thank you to not put words in my mouth and respect my opinion....Now how about no one else trys to say anything this thread is DEAD.






how come I'm always listening to the "Deftones" while I'm online........maybe cuz they ROCK!!!

[Incube]

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[TLplus84]

maybe we need a mod to do this. -=FROM HERE NOW, THIS CONVERSATION IS NOW DECLARED DEAD~!=- (hope that works)

[elTwitcho]

I think everythings been said that needed to be said, and anything else would be beating a dead horse that's already been beaten and beaten and beaten. That, and this is just turning into a flames forum (which is bad), that said, this argument is closed. Literally :)