the gun doesnt make the player!

[assasin]

i saw this post by someone who said they were going to play in tourneys. the team had guns like bushys, cockers, 1 spyder and 1 tippman. well one poster said that the tippman guy should be kicked out on the count of he has a tippman:mad: the gun doesnt make the player! if the gun did make the player most people would suck because they have open bolt guns or guns that dont perform like cockers or bushys. ive eliminated people with autocockers and guns like that. ive seen people with awesome guns and they SUCK! all you people that go under "the gun makes the player" philosophy need to shutup and take a deeper look into the sport

[VeNoM]

i totally agree, and anyone who doesnt agree is a moron. buying a nice gun will NOT make you a better player. playing often and getting experience even with a talon or blade will make you a better player. but a nice gun does help . . . take 2 newbs, give one a talon and 1 my gun, the newb with my gun will be able to throw more paint and hold down the oposistion more, they will both have the same experience and both learn but the one with the nicer gun will have an advantage . . .

[assasin]

exactly! ive seen people with 'cockers and they suck. ive seen ppl with spyder compacts and they are awesome. experience definatly overwrites what kind of marker you have. this one kid, about 12 or 13 has a minimag at the field. i ask him how long hes been playing. he says 3 weeks. well he gets taken out by a guy thats been playing for 5 years and a newbie with a rental gun. it was pretty funny because the kid threw a temper tantrum.

[Hsuve]

Hmmmmm... True, the gun does not make the player, but as VeNoM has said, it helps. I have also seen great players with a Spyder and crappy parts on it, and I have also seen crappy players with a Spyder and crappy parts on it. The stereotype of:
Guy + Expensive gun = Bad player is hardly true most of the time. Just from my personal experience on the field and all, many people that have the so-called "high-end" guns are also pretty darn good. Of course, there are also those with "lower-end" guns that also do damn well. :) Anyways, this isn't the forum for this to be debated at, moved to the general paintball forum...

[MrStinky]

If only the gun didn't make the player....

If you ask my I think paintball is a game more of luck than skill. Skill isn't going to make that paintball break on impact, nor will it stop that paintball from getting chopped. You have good days and bad days. Of course skills helps. :D

I hope paintball doesn't come to a point where whoever can fling the most paint wins.

[assasin]

i know if you have a better gun it helps but a better gun doesnt make you a better player. there is no magical luck inside an autococker or a mag that will transfer to your body and make you a good player

[Omega6_Virus]

I don't think the gun makes the player but you cant say it doesnt improve play somewhat such as higher ROF and better accuracy. The accuracy thing is only like from a stingray with stock barrel to a cocker stock barrel. There is a difference, mainly cause BE sucks. Did I buy my gun to think it would help me play better? Yeah of course I did. Did it help me much? Besides the ROF not really. Would I go back to a m98 or some spyder? No.

[KOTOWA]

So, if there wasnt a gun, the player would win anyway? The gun makes the player. If there wasnt a gun, no player. THE END.

[dropkick]

I don't think the guy meant "kick the guy with the M98 off the team", he meant that he should buy a tournament level marker, similar to what his other teammates have (with the exception of the spyder).

You can't have 3 guys shooting 10bps and 2 guys in the back going >ca ching!< >ca ching!< with their $100 blowbacks.

[-RuShPB227-]

maybe the guys with the spyder and tippmann are really good and can pump out some major paint with their markers. Ive seen people with rentals kick ***. I saw on pig tv this guy at skyball was using a spyder and his team won or either came in second place if i am not mistaken. it is the player not the gun, but if you are a good player, the gun may help u more.

[assasin]

exactly! ive seen people with compacts and 98's and they kick arse. what happens if the people with the tippman or the spyder is better than the players with the high end markers?

[dropkick]

Originally posted by assasin
what happens if the people with the tippman or the spyder is better than the players with the high end markers?

Then there is something wrong.

[assasin]

what would be wrong with it? As I said before and I'll say it again, ive seen people play with blowbacks and rentals and they are sometimes better than the people with the high end markers!

[dropkick]

The regulars at your field must reaaaally suck, if rentals are taking out guys with high end guns. :rolleyes:

[assasin]

its not very common, i've seen it happen but i dont understand why it is so wrong? also, it happens mostly with the people who have guns because the people that rent at my field are usually newbies. but my first game i played, i rented a prolite and took out a guy with an angel and an autococker.:laugh:

[dropkick]

There isn't anything wrong per-say...but when you enter a tournament, you should enter it with a tourney-level gun.

[assasin]

they do help with their high rate of fire but some people dont have enough money for them either so they customize their blowbacks and then they perform great

[Paintslanga]

i consider paintball like a game of chess (u know besides the markers) u need to know stradegy and skill to be good.now if ur a good player with a good gun it will help u a little bit or it will help u get him out a little sooner but ur skill doesnt improve. and if u suck it will make u a little better but it all depends on who ur playin if ur playin someone who is sorry then u will probrally get him out with a mistake that he makes and the marker will only help. but if ur playin a pro or someone who can play then ur gonna have too rely on ur instinct and skill and put ur self in his position and use it. now when the time is right if u have a good marker it will help but if u have a unaccurate gun then u will miss and he will see u fire and u will take cover and the game has restarted. So what im sayin is the good gu can only help its not gonna make u sorrier unless ur not used to it but after a while u will get accostomed and u will rock. but i used to play with the spyder extra my gun sucked i got a bad one. but when it worked and i rocked.its good to start off with a good begginer gun like a spyder and a piranha cause u learn the basics and when u play really good with a gun and been playin for a while and u want to move to the next level and get a better gun. but remeber learn the basics and if ur commited and u can only get better :eek:

[WVprankster]

If it's really "the player" and not "the gun", why do paintballers waste so much editorial space in the mags whining about how there ought to be ROF limits?
if it's really "the player", then this shouldn't be a problem- a "bad player" with a "good gun" will lose consistently to a "good player" with "bad gun"
in those same mags where pb-ers whine about ROF, there are letters bragging about how someone "took out a guy with an Angel with a pump." Good for you.
Now, someone will reply to this post concerning the safety issue. here's a pre-emptive response-
If you get hit, regardless of how many times, you move- usually around or behind something to stop getting hit. What idiot is gonna sit there and let himself get hit with 14 or more BPS?

[dropkick]

Originally posted by WVprankster
If it's really "the player" and not "the gun", why do paintballers waste so much editorial space in the mags whining about how there ought to be ROF limits?
if it's really "the player", then this shouldn't be a problem- a "bad player" with a "good gun" will lose consistently to a "good player" with "bad gun"
in those same mags where pb-ers whine about ROF, there are letters bragging about how someone "took out a guy with an Angel with a pump." Good for you.
Now, someone will reply to this post concerning the safety issue. here's a pre-emptive response-
If you get hit, regardless of how many times, you move- usually around or behind something to stop getting hit. What idiot is gonna sit there and let himself get hit with 14 or more BPS?

YEAH! Preach it, brutha!

[TheBigFish]

Have to put my 2 cents in

I agree that a great gun won't make a player great. The best example of this is when i was at a recent tournie and one team made up of all brand new angel lcd's with nitro and every accesory you can want got maxed by another team which all had stock m98's with brass eagle masks on (this was in rookie division).

Yet despite the "gun doesn't make the player phrase" the guns can make a big difference. Since when you have 2 guys of equal skill level and give one a stock spyder and the other a tricked out high end gun the player with the better gun has a large advantage over the other player and if they are of equal skill level the player with the better gun probably going to win (i say probably since in paintball luck plays an important factor since if the guy fires just one ball at the begining you could get hit by it by chance.)

[justshootit20]

the dont make the player. doestn matter wut any one says but the gun dont make the player. they need a gun to play paintball (well most of the time) but the gun dont make the player. and guys c98's and m98's can be played with in a tourney.:eyes:
my 2 cents