IDC B2K4 vs WGP 2k3 Superstock

[PyroPigeon]

Which would be better to get and why? I was looking at both.

[lotus_esprit5]

Get the B2K4

Lighter, smaller, MUCH faster, lower pressure too I think. Alot of ppl have a soft spot for mech cockers including me (gotta respect a 20 year old gun design that is still around today), but seriously, electros (as long as you get a decent one) are probly a smarter choice. Here are two scenarios. I have seen ppl follow both of these paths.

1) Lets say you buy the B2K4. You improve your skills, join a local team, get better, start playing more and more competitive tournys, get even better. The B2K4 will keep you shooting in the same league as any other gun that you will encounter. You can gradually upgrade it as you need to, and it will last you a LONG time. Great performance out of the box, and even more competitive with a few upgrades on it. Depending on how long you play and how advanced you get, you may never need another gun.

2) Now lets say you get a mech cocker and do the same thing. Eventually you will probly get outshot. I know you can tune a mech cocker to get a decent trigger pull and ROF. I know there are probly teams that use mech cockers. I know you dont need to shoot a gazillion bps. but you can only do so much, and eventually you will reach a level of play that is very high and will probly get outshot by some punk with an Angel, and then my friend, you will be faced with a decision: spend $325 to e-blade your cocker, or get a newer, faster gun? It is at this point that you will be wishing you had bought the Bushy. If you had bought the Bushy, you would have wiped the spirk off that Angel-owning punk's face.

So you see, the Bushy will be better in the long run because it is cheap enough for you to buy now and gives unrivaled out-of-box performance for the price, and down the road all you need to do is upgrade it a bit and you will be keeping company with Angels and Timmies. If you get an autococker you will later be faced with that tough and expensive decision of eblade vs new gun.

If you are just playing rec-ball for fun and arent thinking about tournies or teams, then get the Bushy anyway. It is a better gun out of the box (only thing the cocker beats it in is efficiency, I think). Plus you never know, you may end up playing tournies later even though you arent anticipating it right now.

I have about 5 friends who bought new 03 and 04 cockers, I play woodsball with them sometimes and they are completely outshot, every single game. One is selling his for a Bushy or BKO, 2 of them e-bladed their cockers, and another one is thinking about it. they could have spent several hundred dollars less and gotten the same speed and a better eye, in a lighter and smaller gun, if they had bought the bushy.

[Kalog13]

Both the B2k4 w/pds and the superstock will perform well. I believe the B2K4 w/pds to better the better buy @ $495 @ www.pbgear.com but i am assuming there is a long waiting list. I have never shot a b2k4 before, but I hear they are quite nice. They are supposed to be competitive out of the box except for the barrel (as is with most markers). The superstock is a great marker as well and I don't see any problems with it keeping up at high rates of fire. I have to tell you that the superstock will feel quite different than an electro like the b2k4 when firing it. It is just two totally different operations. You MUST try and get a hold of both of these markers and shoot them. Go to your local field or to your local shop and try them out, then decide.

Also, may i suggest you try and save up some money and go for something above $800 like matrices, cyborgs, angels, timmies, etc... In this sport, you get what you pay for. Trust me you will not be disappointed in a high end marker. THis is just a suggestion because with the ups you intend you put into your b2k4 or superstock, you might as well have gotten an intimidator. The markers you have above are still great markers though, but the high end markers are quite lovely.

[artshark]

Kalog, nice points, but upgraded performance> stock greatness. Also, Matrices and the like are complex, probably as complex if not more than that cocker. B2K4s are easy to clean and lube. Between those two, it's a victory for the B2K. Is the superstock the 369 one that's really basic or is a more expensive one?



Art

[Temple Monk]

i thought the super stock came stock with an eblade
which is fast but not as fast a b2k4
but who doesnt love a ebladed cocker ?
get the b2k4 lighter, smaller, faster , and pure sexy
cant get any better then that .

[paintball545]

the superstock is a 2k3 vf cocker body with an eblade and chrome frontblock, it's wgp's basic electro cocker. IMO shoot both to make your decision.

[artshark]

I'd call it a dead tie, actually then. The e-blade seemlessly integrates great speed with 'cocker accuracy, but is big and heavy. For an active front/even mid, go for the B2K4. If you can stay put and don't need as small a package, the cocker is fine.


Art

[shockerballer03]

it would have been easier if u just did a poll but anways go with the superstock

[shockerballer03]

And of course there gonna say the busshy ur in a indian creek designs fourm

[rhchilipepper4]

Originally posted by shockerballer03
And of course there gonna say the busshy ur in a indian creek designs fourm
You don't need to say that in every thread. And BTW nice double post, learn to edit.:rolleyes: E-blade frames aren't near as comfortable or fast as the new bushy frames IMO.

[shockerballer03]

ok well stop following me

[rhchilipepper4]

Originally posted by shockerballer03
ok well stop following me
I'm sorry that I look at the threads that have been replied to most recently.......:rolleyes:

[shockerballer03]

u can look at them all u want man u just dont have too make fun of me every time doin it

[PyroPigeon]

I posted in the WGP one also so I would get both sides. A friend was trying to push the cocker but I liked the bushy. The supercocker is 650 and the B2k4 is 495 with the pds eye. I am kinda sold on the B2K4 after hearing what everyone said. Thanks

[lotus_esprit5]

oh crap, I forgot the superstock was ebladed. :( .

Art, Matrices arent nearly as complex as cockers. In fact, they are probly as simple, or possibly simpler than a Bushy. I forget exactly how their internal air chambers work, but since the valve and ram/bolt functions are all integrated into one assembly with one moving piece (besides the noid), it is actually pretty simple.

Cockers have a very different feel that some ppl like. Some ppl just feel more comfortable with cockers than with electros, and theirfore play better and with more confidence. But I think in terms of bang for your buck, the B2K4 PDS wins.

[Kowz_76]

I say go for the bushy. Here's my reasoning:
You liked it. If you liked it more that the superstock, just get it. They will both be fast, but the bushy comes with a better reg, and the trigger is super easy to adjust. The Bushy is also considerably cheaper.Like $200 cheaper. W/ that $200 into the bushy, it would toast the superstock IMO. Plus, I think the bushy has better eyes, considering it's breakbeam vs. bouncebeam.

[paintballman232]

I say also B2k4, Awesome milling, good reg, I kno for a fact on how easy it is to adjust a trigger on the BKO's, B2k's. Also like Kowz_76 said, $200 dollars into a B2K would be an awesome gun. The gun is also very light.

P.S. Congratulations Kowz_76 on becoming an Agent.

[xXniTemAreXx]

b2k4. Cockers are cool cuz of their back blocks, but i dont like them, they have to many parts lol.

[artshark]

The back block moving ONLY inconveniences you. I talked with a e-blade owner, he has to hold his gun in an odd manner to avoid the back block pwning him.



Art

[RaGeD P1NGA]

Originally posted by artshark
The back block moving ONLY inconveniences you. I talked with a e-blade owner, he has to hold his gun in an odd manner to avoid the back block pwning him.



Art

thats why u have the beaver tail...:P

[lotus_esprit5]

I've actually been hit in the face by back blocks before (luckily I was wearing a mask), that's why I dont like cockers very much. They are heavy (unless you get a Karni or Oracle) and the stupid back block gets in the way so you cant get tight into small front bunkers, since I usually play front. Even with Beaver tails, they're still a pain.

[artshark]

How far out do they go, the rear blocks? 2 inches?


Art

[paintballman232]

Yea about that much maybe a little less.

[artshark]

That isn't too bad. The only 'cocker I'd really want to fire is a PGI Osiris. +8bps on a E-blade, and still no chop operation and BASICALLY same accuracy. At those rates of fire, some accuracy has got to be given off. And it's back block won't hit you in the head, it uses a cut-up WGP frame, which is shorter. Uh, actually nevermind, that's the Turtle bodied version, or something. But anyway, it's ready to pwn out of the box. And with a better reg it's flawless, the stock one isn't great. Oh by the way, I said I was considering a PGI Firestorm. No more. I'm in the BKO camp to stay. If I can sell my Paradox in 6 months I'll go whatever amount of time needed without balling to save up for the KO. :D


Art

[lotus_esprit5]

A Fastback, Micro, or Turtle cocker would be cool. Turtle are ugly, but Doc's fastbacks are pretty sweet. We have an old Micrococker in my shop right now, it's my boss's new project gun, so I might get to shoot it. I probly wouldnt mind having one of those. The lightest cocker I've ever felt though-Karnivor. Holding that thing feels like an Alias Timmy.

Back blocks have about 1 inch of travel, but thats still too much for me.

[phatrob37]

Originally posted by Kowz_76
it would toast the superstock IMO. .

emmmmmmm toast hahahaha...dont know if i ever heard that one befor. unless its the one im thinking of that i cant quite remember