Does this piss anyone else off???

[davidb]

It makes me mad that knowledgeable paintball companies, DYE, Taso, Smart Parts.... hell, just about everyone that makes barrels, will do this thing simply to dupe the inexperienced. I'm talking about companies that make LONG barrels. Most experienced players will tell you that the best barrel length is 12", unless you want something smaller to stay compact, but any longer just loses efficiency without improving accuracy. The companies know this, or at least I hope they do, and yet they still sell these barrels that are just obscenely long, because they ALSO know that newbies will assume that longer means better, while any Irishman can tell you it just makes it harder to fit stuff in your pockets ;). Back to barrels... I mean, a 20" Stone Cold II? An 18 inch Boomstick? It's crazy. One of the best ways to spot a newbie review on this sight is a review that says something like "I recommend a 16"/18" Boomstick!!! Little long, but wow so accurate!!!" They're only accurate because Boomsticks are accurate. The one that especially gets me is the Stone Cold II, I bet Taso utters a cruel chuckle every time they sell one of those. I think if the long barrels had an accuracy advantage, maybe the Pro back players would be using them? I realize that maybe some people just like the look of them or something, but the long barrels should at least cost extra. The rest of us have to pay more for our normal barrels just because the companies have to make a dozen different barrel sizes, so don't think it isn't hurting anybody.

[spacer709]

good point, i got a friend that just got an 18 inch boomer, now he thinks its better than my 14 in. o well, hes just one of those rich kids with money to blow, and not much thinking involved in purchases. i dont care though, its his choice

[TLplus84]

i think that any barrel over 14 in. is way too long...like 20 in. STone Cold IIs..right...true it is quieter cuz it has more porting, but it will slow the paintball down, and it will make you look pretty stupid, carrying around a barrel that is 20 in...

[Ez8]

i think the real reason behind people thinking long barrels are great is because they look cool! I mean long barrels just really appeal to some peoples taste. Not me, i love compact barrels like 8 and 10 inches, i might even consider a 4 inch but that would most likely lower accuracy a lot. compact guns appeal to me because if there made just right you can use only one hand wich is good for the people who like going fast and not hauling tonners.

[davidb]

True, the longer barrels appeal to some people, but like I said, I'm pretty sure we have to pay extra for normal sized barrels simply because they have to go to the trouble to make all different sizes. Barrels should come standard in sizes 12" and smaller, and then the ones who want longer barrels should have to pay extra to cover the added cost. I mean, honestly, how many different sizes of Boomsticks to they make? Do you think they would still cost as much if they just made 12" and 10", and maybe 8"? BTW EZ8, I saw a kid playing with a barrel that couldn't have been more than 4"... No, it wasn't on a Stingray, if I remember right it was a Spyder. He might have just been playing with the back half of something, Idunno.

[Silent Knight]

wow, you are really "anti-any barrel over 12" huh? I would say that it is really personal preference on what size barrel people want. I think that 18" barrels are really not necessary! and i also think people buy those barrels just to make their peers say "wow!, oooooo, ahhhhhh" should i feel like an idiot because i want a 14" or 16" barrel? most of the people in here with after market barrels use 14's or 16's.

[TLplus84]

actually, i want a 14 in. I couldn't get it cuz they (bbt) were out of stock of jj Ceramic 14 in. barrels,so i just got stuck wiht a 12 in. the next barrel i'm gettting, both for my imp and spyder, are gonna be 14 in. Dye Ultralites.

[MuckRaker]

The only advantage to a barrel over 14 inches is it's easier to aim, not more accurate, not faster, not magical, just easier to aim ... still, I wouldn't own one.

[Hsuve]

I use a 12" Boomstick and I like it great. It's my personal preference to make my gun as short as possible, allows you to fit in the small positions. However, there are some advantages of long barrels.
1. It's definitely quieter, each extra inch can change how quiet the noise is.
2. It's easier to aim down the barrel, if that's how you aim.
3. If you want, stick the end out of a bunker and see who tries to hit it, if someone shoots at you, you know there's someone there :D

I don't really think long barrels look good. If there's like 8"-10" sticking past the LPC, it just makes it look isolated and like a... a really strange dildo...

[Creek]

Well when we are all together and there a big group,seems we never talk how long a barrel is.Well unless someone comes out with one thats like holly crap.We talk about our guns and up grades etc.Or if its about barrels how well one works on what ever gun. heck if you like a 2 foot barrel go fot it you could almost pole valt over a bunker lol

[CRUCIATUS]

the biggest rip off I think is selling aftermarket barrels for a stingray. When I first started I ordered a 14 inch barrel from xpaintball.com...yeah,,well it shot worse. I feel so dirty ;(

[Ez8]

what? over 12 in barrels aren't magical. well i better go tell that leperuchan to hit the road. hes been jimming my liqour cabinet anywho.


oh and by the way i feel sorry about the stingray incident i bet that ended in tears.

[TLplus84]

it doesn't piss me off..i just laugh at the kid who thinks that a 20 in. barrel will improve accuracy..

[Mad Ogre]

Don't laugh too hard. If it is true that aiming with a longer barrel is easier - then he is making hits easier. Easier means faster and faster means winning.
Same reason its easier to shoot a rifle well than a handgun. Even if some handguns are more accurate than some rifles - you take the rifle to the gunfight because its easier to hit with.

[RedWidow]

Everyone knows how looooong tippmans are right well last time I played pb at hells survivors I saw a kid with a tippy which had like a 20 incher Cockerking and I were amazed how ugly and long that thing was

[blinkpk11]

i accually perfer a 10in. over a 12in. in some cases. Like the boomstick. A 10in. is still deadly accuarate and is shorter. With a ok barrel oi always look for a 12in.

[Sandman220]

I had got 11 inch tigershark barrel for my stinger and took it to one of those guys who cuts things and got them to cut it just like the grooves on the stock barrel and it improves the gun so much accuracy and all.

[Halliday]

My stock Shocker 4x4 came with a 16" SP All American barrel. It is super-accurate! So is my 14" J&J Ceramic too. Maybe it's because of the gun.........:P

[Mad Ogre]

I bought a 14 inch boomstick... took it home.
Found that I had got the wrong one - bought an Angel barrel instead of a spyder... while at work I found a 14" J&J Ceramic for CHEAP. snagged that up and returned the Dye and got my money back.
Now I have to freakin wait for my J&J to ship. DOH!
If the J&J doesnt work out... I'll get another Boomstick. This time one that FITS.

[Paintball Monkey]

They make and sell super long barrels because people will buy them. It's all about making money.

The ideal barrel length should be determined by your marker and air system (regs). You want the minimum lenth barrel to get the ball to its maximum speed with the minimum amount of air. Generally the first 9" of a barrel is where the ball reaches it's maximum veocity. Everything past that is for acuracey, and the porting is for quieting. You don't want a barrel so long that you have to use more gas than usual to get it out the end of the barrel.

[Auctionjunkie!]

Originally posted by MuckRaker

The only advantage to a barrel over 14 inches is it's easier to aim, not more accurate, not faster, not magical, just easier to aim ... still, I wouldn't own one.
BS!!!!
An 18" barrel will let you shoot farther than a 14" barrel. It's a proven fact!!!! I don't know why people can't get this through their thick heads!!! It will let you shoot exactly 4 inches further!! It also puts the ball 4 inches closer to your target for when your being a "Sniper". (I wish they had a smilie for "Tongue In Check"!!)

What really has been proven is that the first 8 inches actually is the area of primary propulsion. The rest of the barrel can actually slow the ball down due to friction. This is where progressive barrels and proper porting come into play. We have people on a daily basis come in and ask for a "Sniper" barrel for their gun. They **** when I show them a 12" Dye excel and tell them that sniping is one shot, one kill and not being discovered. Accuracy is all thet counts. Problem is that people relegate the ballistic differences of a firearm handgun vs a firearm rifle. There is a great difference in barrel length. (I won't get into the open vs closed bolt similarities!!)
Barrel length is one of the debates that will never go away.

Dan
Manager, Team Wiseguys

[Mad Ogre]

Yeah - people have a hard time catching the fact that paintballs have more in common with water balloons than bullets.

[MuckRaker]

Dam Auction, I thought I was gettin' reamed there for a minute ... :)

[Hsuve]

Originally posted by Auctionjunkie!
Originally posted by MuckRaker

The only advantage to a barrel over 14 inches is it's easier to aim, not more accurate, not faster, not magical, just easier to aim ... still, I wouldn't own one.
BS!!!!
An 18" barrel will let you shoot farther than a 14" barrel. It's a proven fact!!!! I don't know why people can't get this through their thick heads!!! It will let you shoot exactly 4 inches further!! It also puts the ball 4 inches closer to your target for when your being a "Sniper". (I wish they had a smilie for "Tongue In Check"!!)

Hmmmmm... Are you being sarcastic? Seriously, I can't tell... If you aren't, I'm sorry, an 18" barrel won't let you shoot 4" further than a 14" barrel. If it's been proved, show me! An 18" barrel will actually just create more drag and your efficiency and velocity will go down...

[MuckRaker]

don't worry HSUVE ... Auction's post was dripping with Sarcasm.

[Auctionjunkie!]

Heh heh heh! But it does put the ball 4 inches closer when it exits the barrel so it shoots 4 inches farther than a 14 inch barrel...

Yes I was being sarcastic. That's why I said I wish they had a smilie for tongue in cheek.

Dan
Manager, Team Wiseguys

[TLplus84]

dang this discussion is gonna go on forever..I do think that anything over like 12-14 inches will create drag..

[Dräko]

Originally posted by spacer709
good point, i got a friend that just got an 18 inch boomer, now he thinks its better than my 14 in. o well, hes just one of those rich kids with money to blow, and not much thinking involved in purchases. i dont care though, its his choice

Man i hate people that think there bad cause there barrel is longer. They just have ***** envy :)

[Intruder]

hehe, drako make funny, hehe.

[Splat Attack]

I'm torn on what barrel to buy. J&J 2 piece (75)or Dye boomstick(105). what should I get, and do you think that 16 inch is the best for the overall sniper?

[dawgs712]

have you read anything in these two pages. get the boomstick, but DONT GET A BARREL OVER 12 OR FOURTEEN INCHES!!! Its useless and a waste of manueverability...is that a word...i dunno...

[cranberynvodka]

so ull are sayin that i shouldnt get a 16 inch boomy so i should get a 14 inc??

[Splat Attack]

Have you tried the J&J two piece? Some guy, william trask, told me that they almost exactly the same, so for 30 bucks less, I can have the same performance, does anyone have or has tried out both?

[Evilcrayonusa]

If you have an internally rifled barrel i an armson stealth the longer the barrel the better still aplys so long as there isent too much friction in the barrel. as for barrel length and effect on a non rifled barrel it all depends on what effect your going for for acuracy tecnically yes but not a huge improvement over a 12 perfect barr size depends on bore size paint size and force which ball is hit. heh ok im not going to break out the phyisics book but i will say this your barrel unless ith has a weird curve ie flatline barrel or has either rifeling or spiral porting will have lil to no effect on range

[Archer99]

Why don't one of you guys with a couple of same model barrels in different lengths just do a quick test. Get a chrony and shoot a few shots with each without adjusting your velocity. Which ever barrel has the highest velocity, is the most efficient and should be the most accurate allowing you to use the smallest amount of gas to propel your shots at the desired velocity. Too short..velocity falloff because the ball is gone before the gas can do its job. Too long... velocity falloff because the gas is used up and the ball is just rolling the rest of the way outta the barrel.
I know some of you rich PB nuts have 3 different sized boomsticks!

[Sandman220]

my freind just ordred a 16" somthin i forget. I know i like small and compact and i just orderd my new gun and wanna see how my barrel is then i might get a 14 in but pretty sure i am gonna get a jj ceramic 12in. I cant wait for him to be like my barrel is so much better cause its longer anybody know what i mean?:)

[simon woodstock]

i think those long @$$ barrels are ugly, i would never but anything more than 14, i think 12 is ideal, and if my gun was 2 feet longer off the front of my gun i'd probly need a drop BACK to level it out. i say go for the short ones and be a pimp:D