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Forest Spyder

08-18-2004, 01:17 PM

That's not a bad design at all. My main concern would be the pressure that you would be operating the ram at, since you would need enough pressure for it to expand and push the ram, and then have enough to propel a ball.

Teuf, it's nothing like a BK0.
This is a BKO
http://www.emrheadhunters.com/bko.gif

Downfall08

08-18-2004, 01:26 PM

decent idea.

teufelhunden

08-18-2004, 01:27 PM

Bah. My bad.

SilentButDeadly

08-18-2004, 01:33 PM

Yes, unlike the BKO that doesn't have a valve.

The only flaw that I can see is if the small ammount of air stored in the middle of the "ram" would be enough to propell the paintball. And if not, you'd need another LPR/3-way to work the ram and the air used to fire the ball independently which would lead to all kinds of fun timing issues

Forest Spyder

08-18-2004, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by teufelhunden
Bah. My bad.
:finger: Now play nice with the other children.

dog-of-Dislexia

08-18-2004, 01:36 PM

Look how slow its going. Turn up the velocity.

acdave

08-18-2004, 02:14 PM

hmm... im confuesed how you wqould control the velocity. BY the operating pressure?

Kingman27

08-18-2004, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by dog-of-Dislexia
Look how slow its going. Turn up the velocity. AHHAHAHAHH!!! that actually made me laugh...lol..lmao

edit-oh btw thats a really cool design

can'tthink of1

08-18-2004, 05:22 PM

Not bad my friend, not bad at all. I assure its a really low pressure marker looking at the airways? Make the bolt shorter to reduce weight... Also will there be enough air to propel the ball at 300fps? Otherwise looks very nice.

AR55 MtM

08-18-2004, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by knuckhead09
Wewt new design!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/knuckhead9/and.gif
leik OMG soembdy get toothPaste he is violating his Patent~~~

knuckhead09

08-18-2004, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by acdave
hmm... im confuesed how you wqould control the velocity. BY the operating pressure?

You would just increase the LPR, cuz that would increase the pressure inside the 3 way which is transfered to inside the ram which is the gas that propells the ball... So the higher the LPR pressure, the higher the velocity...

You'd have to set it just right tho, because if you set it too high it might chop because the bolt is moving so fast...

2XS

08-18-2004, 07:36 PM

so I guess an explanation is needed...

Isn't it obvious? It's a drawing so how could a drawing work?

knuckhead09

08-18-2004, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by 2XS

Isn't it obvious? It's a drawing so how could a drawing work?

I knew it would be some witty answer...

Yeah, I guess you're right...

bad_brad

08-18-2004, 09:07 PM

I'm assuming when the gun is at rest (not firing) the bolt is forward. From the diagram it seems like the bolt is back when the marker is at rest.

knuckhead09

08-18-2004, 09:19 PM

The bolt is back when resting...

Ghost2867

08-18-2004, 09:41 PM

yea...the only problem i see is the pressure needed to fire the ball...

the hammer thing would be moving pretty damn fast if suddenly 100-300psi suddenly hit it...

knuckhead09

08-18-2004, 09:47 PM

Doesnt only 80psi hit the ball? So then 80psi would need to be in the 3way, which would be 80 psi inside the ram, and 80psi to move the ram...

Dansport4600

08-18-2004, 09:48 PM

Are you calling it a BKO cause it has a spring return?

bad_brad

08-18-2004, 11:16 PM

Whoops, sorry for that retarded post, long day at work...

knuckhead09

08-19-2004, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by Dansport4600
Are you calling it a BKO cause it has a spring return?

I think that's what he saw. It has to be spring return tho, because of the whole in the ram for the air to go to the bolt. If it were air returned, the air would go out that hole...

Ghost2867

08-19-2004, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by knuckhead09
Doesnt only 80psi hit the ball? So then 80psi would need to be in the 3way, which would be 80 psi inside the ram, and 80psi to move the ram...
yea, but you're gonna need some pretty long-a** dwell for the 80psi coming from the reg to go all the way to the ball...

the gun's operating pressure or whatever is what goes to the ball...like for instance in a spyder.

take a lp spyder running at around 300psi for instance. 300psi comes out the valve, but by the time it gets to the ball, the amount of air that came out leveled out down to around 80-90psi. if it were higher pressure, the dwell would be shorter, so less overall air comes out at a higher pressure, meaning around the same pressure hitting the ball...

im not sure if you'll get what im saying, but...yea

knuckhead09

08-19-2004, 08:19 PM

Aight, then just run the gun at 300psi...

Really you could just get the HPR set at about 300fps, then use the LPR to fine tune the fps...

Yakb0

08-19-2004, 09:12 PM

so what happens to the air built up behind the ram, after it's fired, and is being pushed back by the mainspring?

knuckhead09

08-20-2004, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by Yakb0
so what happens to the air built up behind the ram, after it's fired, and is being pushed back by the mainspring?

That is a good question, I guess there would be some kind of exaust valve, attached to the ram would be some kind of cover, and when the ram has gone all the way left, the cover would no longer be covering the exaust valve and it would let the air out... I dunno, theoretically that sounds like it could work...

Yakb0

08-20-2004, 01:23 PM

with a dump chamber, and a 2nd gas line that cycles the ram, and then vents, it's seems like it would function just like an older Shocker.

which is something Smart Parts has patented. :)

but it's still cool, to see people coming up with new ideas for markers

slikna99

08-20-2004, 02:16 PM

Notice where the gas goes from the reg, what would make that return after the gas leaves? You would need to figure something out there.

Kingman_Rodeo

08-20-2004, 02:46 PM

The only problem I can see happening is, maybe when the ram disconnects from the air source, it might not seal back up? Looks great though.

Ghost2867

08-20-2004, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by knuckhead09
Aight, then just run the gun at 300psi...

Really you could just get the HPR set at about 300fps, then use the LPR to fine tune the fps...
that'd be hard on the spring...

lol, dont u love it how little by little, we're tearing down ur design? :P

slikna99

08-20-2004, 03:19 PM

It happens to the best of them.

knuckhead09

08-20-2004, 06:34 PM

Yeah, well this has been the most rational design i've come up with before...

I had that one with just a solenoid controlled valve, but we decided that it would need something to cover the feedneck, which would chop a lot and slow down the gun...

Then one that i haven't posted yet because I figured out that it wouldnt work anyways...

But at least with some design changes, this one could be fathomed to work...

timmyfreaker

08-20-2004, 06:46 PM

Switch the ram around to make a smaller trigger pull if its mech. So youll have a swing trigger instead of a slide

Hyperballin

08-20-2004, 07:14 PM

You guys know to much about paintball?!?!:rolleyes: :laugh: :P

timmyfreaker

08-20-2004, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by Hyperballin
You guys know to much about paintball?!?!:rolleyes: :laugh: :P We also know about proper grammer and spelling.:rolleyes:

AR55 MtM

08-20-2004, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by Hyperballin
You guys know to much about paintball?!?!:rolleyes: :laugh: :P Until you realize what kind of forum we are on, you will not know why we have people that specialize in paintball.

lesnar729

08-20-2004, 07:21 PM

Thats a pretty damn cool design if i do say so myself.

knuckhead09

08-20-2004, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by timmyfreaker
Switch the ram around to make a smaller trigger pull if its mech. So youll have a swing trigger instead of a slide

I was thinking e, but I see what you're saying...

slikna99

08-20-2004, 10:34 PM

Yea, you would have to make it e to compete at all.

thunderpig

08-20-2004, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by timmyfreaker
We also know about proper grammer and spelling.:rolleyes:

Rofl, apparently not you.

knuckhead09

08-23-2004, 11:03 AM

Here's a new mod I designed for an angel. It removes the hammer, so less moving mass, so less kick. I dunno if this has already been thought of, or if it is actually how an angel already works. But I was looking at an old animation of an angel when I made this so it is atleast improved upon from the older angels...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/knuckhead9/angelmod.gif

Ghost2867

08-23-2004, 01:29 PM

its not bad...just needs some tweaks, like the bolt/hammer assembly looks a bit frail with that little wire thing connecting them...

but yea, it looks pretty tite.

Forest Spyder

08-23-2004, 01:42 PM

I don't think that that is really an improvement over the Angel. You've taken the internal LPR and put it out of the body, increased the length of the bottom tube because of that entire poppet and valve assembly. God knows how much more complex the Rotabreech would become.

Forest Spyder

08-23-2004, 01:44 PM

But still, a very interesting design none the less.

I would like to see how the Nerve works. Supposedly combines spool valve properties (shocker) with hammer/poppet assembly (Impulse).

knuckhead09

08-23-2004, 08:29 PM

Yeah, well the LPR doesnt have to be external, I just put it there out of habit (look at all my other designs). You could redesign it to be just like the current angel, just with the modded hammer. And the part that connects bolt to ram can be modded to be stronger, but I just made it like that for the basic idea.