BKO or IMPULSE

[Dav-Thompson]

Hey Everybody!!!

Lately I've been looking for a new gun and I've narrowed it down to 2 guns.

Bko
or
Impulse

Could you guys help me decide?
Thanx

[elitepballer]

its crazy how many times this has been posted. If you did alittle research you would find that the BKO is better than the impulse out of the box because it has an LPR and the stock trigger on the BKO is alot better than the stock trigger on the impulse.

I have a BKO and my friends has an Impulse and stock my BKO shot alot faster then his stock Impulse. The only thing good about a stock Impulse is the barrel.

[yoda101]

we have this thing at the top of the forum called Everything you need: ICD FAQ, if you click on it you can find this....

BKO vs. Impulse (http://www.pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=187516&highlight=BKO+vs+Impulse)

[paintballman232]

yeah, and plus you posted in ICD forum, what do you think you will get?

[greenshoes3]

i had the same dilemma and chose the bko. I wouldnt support sp by getting an imp, get the bko, you wont be disapointed.

[Flakey Lemon]

Buy a 2004 bushmaster, around the same price as an impulse, but tons better.

[Dav-Thompson]

its just that you see imps all over the place and i rarely see bkos so it kinda lead me to believe that it was better. theres also more places for repairs for imps, not as many for bkos. also you see way more upgrades for an imp, but some people say you wont ever need upgrades for a bko... is this true?

[yoda101]

just because there are more upgrades for the Impulse doesnt mean anything..... would you rather have 20 companies that put out a product in which only 3 work really well or 4 companies that put out products in which all 4 work really well? More people buy Impulses cause SP spend more cash on advertisement (this includes pro teams) then ICD does. ICD cares more about their products then they do hype, but in the paintball world, hype sells not quality in some instances. Repairs go hand in hand with this because there are more impulses around more techs are around for them. I have yet to send any of my 3 bko/b2k's into ICD for a problem i was able to fix any problem within half an hour on or off the field.

[azazal]

i have an 03, which had issues. but just because a mrker doesn't need upgrades out of the box doesn't mean you won't do it anyways. my bko can run with the best after what iv done to it, and i still have a shopping cart with about 300+ dollars of goodies inside

[snap shoot]

Impulse. You post this in the ICD forums your going to get the answer of a BKO post in the Imp forums everyone will say Imp. Since I dont own niether I say get the Impulse.

[JustBunkered]

and since you don't own either gun, and obviously don't know what your talking about, leave it to the people who know their stuff.

[RainTreeBoy]

Originally posted by snap shoot
Impulse. You post this in the ICD forums your going to get the answer of a BKO post in the Imp forums everyone will say Imp. Since I dont own niether I say get the Impulse.
yes, what JB said. Care to explain your reasoning here?

[BKO_Ballistics3]

Originally posted by JustBunkered
and since you don't own either gun, and obviously don't know what your talking about, leave it to the people who know their stuff.

mm hmm

[Dav-Thompson]

Just by the way i assumed that if i posted that question in a Bko forum then most people would say Bko, thats why i also posted the same thread in the sp impulse forum, to get there side on it. Just sayin this so noone points that out to me again.

[RainTreeBoy]

Ok, I posted this in the SP forum, but why even consider a BKO when a B2K is cheaper than an Impulse anyways?

[lotus_esprit5]

Impulse. You post this in the ICD forums your going to get the answer of a BKO post in the Imp forums everyone will say Imp. Since I dont own niether I say get the Impulse.
You're more than welcome to your opinion, we aren't nazis around here. But would you like to back that statement up with some reasoning? Because I would assume that Dav would like to base his decision on something other than blatant statements. Once again, its your opinion and you are welcome to express it, but I would like to see you back it up with some information instead of going with the more popular gun.

It is true that you see more SP techs than ICD techs. But that doesnt mean you will need them. I have had one problem with my B2K3, which I fixed by myself in 10 minutes, at the field. Most problems that you can have on a BKO, B2K, or Imp can be fixed easily by yourself, usually requiring nothing more than a new o-ring, some lube, tightening a screw, or applying loctite. So even if you get an Imp, it would be much easier to just fix a problem on it yourself than pay an SP tech $35 an hour. So IMO the greater availability of SP techs isn't a very solid argument since anyone who has a faint idea of how their gun works will not need a tech.

The BKO is lighter, better trigger, has LPR, looks better, comes with a stock low-rise, has a delrin bolt, etc. It's mechanical maximum ROF (18bps) isnt as fast as an Imp, but you would have a very hard time shooting an Imp nearly that fast in the first place.

If you are looking in the same price range as an Imp, then also check out the B2K4.

You can use the BKO without upgrades and be very happy with it. It doesnt need a low-rise, tapeworm, and new bolt like the Imp does (thats about $90 worth of parts just to make it work as well as an out-of-the-box BKO!). With the BKO, all you need is a bottomline ASA and you're good to go (you can get a Unimount for about $35 on www.bradyspaintball.com). However, you can upgrade almost every part on a BKO if you want to, and it will perform as well as you want. As Yoda said, just because there are 20 companies making Imp parts doesnt mean that all those parts are good. With the BKO there arent as many options, but they are all very good, very affordable compared to parts for other guns, and you dont need to sift through reviews for 20 different bolts trying to figure out which one is the best, buy one, and then figure out that in fact it sucks.

[I.A.O.A.B]

listen to lotus....please

[lotus_esprit5]

listen to lotus....please
if you dont, i will just keep ranting and your email will get spammed by PBR thread-response notices. :laugh:

[yoda101]

even though this is written by a person that owns a b2k, they used to own an impulse and it seems to be a close comparison as you will probably get

B2K3 vs. Impulse (http://icd-owners.com/html/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=7)

[SwEeTiMpY47]

Originally posted by JustBunkered
and since you don't own either gun, and obviously don't know what your talking about, leave it to the people who know their stuff.

I really hope that you own both an Impulse and BKO before you can make a statement like that.

You obviously have the money for and impulse since you are looking at buying it or the BKO. Yes the BKO is cheaper and is a little better stock, but a fully customized impulse is better than a fully customized BKO. Look into the long run not just stock performance because really who keeps there guns bone stock for all their life? New designz makes the best parts for the Impusle and they are awesome. Why do think a whole bunch of different companies are needed for upgrades when ND carries everything for the Imp you would need. But there are so many other people who have upgrades for the Imp that are also of good quality.

Consider the B2K4 instead of the BKO since it is closer in price to the Impulse. But if you are wanting to hold on to this gun for a little while I would get the Impulse. So many upgrades: WAS board that is fast as heck with best eye system, and there are also every internal upgrade to make the Impulse a more consistent and efficient gun, and if you really want the parts to make your gun look better you can get those upgrades (eye cover, feed necks, talon, new color noid tray, backcaps).

Yes out of the box BKO or B2K4 is better. But in my opinion Impulse is a wiser choice for the long run. There are also many custom Imps that come upgraded with these parts for great deals + they look sweet. I had to come over here and see what people were saying about this topic since many from this forum were going to the Imp one. This is just all my opinion which many others and I believe.

If You see soemthing that u think isn't right please jsut nicefully point it out and it will be debated. Dont want to spark up the whole war thing by the way. ( And getting the BKO to not support SP isn't a good reason, come on seriously).

[Kowz_76]

I'd have to disagree. The B2k4 and BKO are no less customizeable than the BKO. You can basically replace everything on a BKO, and I'm sure that companies are still coming out with new stuff too. Bushies also look a hell of a lot better than stock imps. WAS is a great upgrade, but it's still a reflective eye. Breakbeams seem to be more relaible. I wouldn't get a BKO none the less. If you have the money for an impulse, you have the money for a B2k4, which would be a better investment.

A tricked out Bushie and imp will perform similarly, but there are just a few little things that I think the bushie has going for it. Cocker threaded barrels, nicer milling, and great customer service.

Oh, and not to be a dick, but shorten your sig. 12 lines of regular sized text is max.

[yoda101]

Originally posted by SwEeTiMpY47


I really hope that you own both an Impulse and BKO before you can make a statement like that. I have owned all 3 (b2k, bko and an imp, among many others but still take my opinion with a grain of salt


Consider the B2K4 instead of the BKO since it is closer in price to the Impulse. I couldnt agree more might as well compare markers in about the same price range
But if you are wanting to hold on to this gun for a little while I would get the Impulse. So many upgrades: WAS board that is fast as heck with best eye system The Chaos board has proven to be just as good if not better then WAS, why else can you explain everyone is pulling WAS in their Timmies, Vikings etc and putting in the Chaos board? What makes WAS's eye logic better, i still believe to this day its just another case of Jim Drew Hype, plus the Impulse is still a reflective eye, which can lead to problems. The B2K uses a beam brake system which is more reliable
and there are also every internal upgrade to make the Impulse a more consistent and efficient gun, and if you really want the parts to make your gun look better you can get those upgrades (eye cover, feed necks, talon, new color noid tray, backcaps). The B2K and BKO can also be completely rebuilt with 3rd party products, on my B2K i get 1500 shots from my 68/4500 tank on my bko I get even more as well as +-1 consistancy, i was never able to get around there with my Rat Imp

Yes out of the box BKO or B2K4 is better. But in my opinion Impulse is a wiser choice for the long run. There are also many custom Imps that come upgraded with these parts for great deals + they look sweet. Same with ICD markers, Bonebrake, Murder Inc, Vapor works... they all have their own custom body and parts for the bko/b2k line
I had to come over here and see what people were saying about this topic since many from this forum were going to the Imp one. This is just all my opinion which many others and I believe. Debate is always fun you are always welcome to your opinion here

If You see soemthing that u think isn't right please jsut nicefully point it out and it will be debated. Dont want to spark up the whole war thing by the way. ( And getting the BKO to not support SP isn't a good reason, come on seriously).

When it all comes down to it you really need to decide for yourself, PLAY with both if you can just dont shoot at the range, only you can decide which better fits you

[SwEeTiMpY47]

Ok but Nd's upgrades are the best custom parts for the gun. And if you are really worried about the lok of your gun you can get a custom such as rat jr for not much more and it comes with upgrades. I dont really think the Impulse looks that bad stock anyways. And everyone loves the eye system and nonone has had problems with it that i've heard of. Yes the breakbeem might be better but it doesnt really matter if the WAS's eye works awesome anyways.

What are your reasonings behind the B2K being a better investment? Because of the initial price? Like I was saying an investment is somehting fot the lnog run which the Impusle would be better in the long run so I think it'd be a better "investment".

Yes the BKO has Cocker threads but the Impulse has Impulse threads. Whats your point there? I'm pretty posistive that any barrel you coulda find for the autococker is also in Impulse threads to. The milling thing you can jsut get a custom Imp. And I've heard mostly great things with SP customer service except when they temporarlily shutdown their factory.

And i shortened my sig. (Just to many of those awesome ND parts on my gun hahahaha)

[SwEeTiMpY47]

Nice debating Yoda. You have some good points there. I agree with you that it is all personal preference. And i was tlaking to justbunkered about the owning all the guns thing. You should go try a stock and upgraded Imp then a stock and upgraded bushy before you make your decision. But I still have to stick with my gun.

[yoda101]

thatts fine you stick with your Imp I'll stick with my b2k's :). And like you said the ND parts are the best for YOUR gun. Just because ND doesnt make parts for the b2k line doesnt mean vapor, zenitram,macdev and aka make inferior components. AKA and MacDev make 3 of the most consistent and efficient markers out there with the Xcal, Viking and Cyborg we are more then happy to have some of those same components converted over to the b2k line. Like i also mentioned you can get custom ICD markers as well, and if you still arent happy you can just mill it yourself, like I am in the process of doing; which im sure you can do to an Imp as well. Btw have they fixed the FSDO problem yet with stock Imps or is it still existant? Just wondering if getting a tapeworm right off the bat is still pretty much needed on a stock Impulse

[artshark]

I think Impulse owners have little defense, other than that they DON'T have a worse stock barrel (I heard tie, some said prog is SLIGHTLY better), a marginally better HPR, and a larger company behind them. That's it.


Art

[ImpYa]

Originally posted by yoda101
Btw have they fixed the FSDO problem yet with stock Imps or is it still existant? Just wondering if getting a tapeworm right off the bat is still pretty much needed on a stock Impulse

Tapeworm cures bolt stick, not FSDO.

Imps still do have FSDO, but there are a couple things you can do to fix it.

ND Silk Shot shaft can help cure FSDO.
Lubing your ram after every day of play can keep FSDO to a min (dont over lube).
Last time I heard, WAS was supposed to cure FSDO.

Ive been out of the SP family for awhile now, but those are the fixes I can remember.

[impy1511]

yes almost any internal upgrade u get on a imp cures fsdo

[SwEeTiMpY47]

The cause of first shot drop off (FSDO) is mostly just neglect of maintenance or not having the knowledge of the solutions. A properly lubeb hammer assembly and bolt if not delrin usually cures it. But if you've had ur Imp for a while all you need to do is take off the back cap and clean out the lube in there and that fixed it for me. Then if those dont work which they did for me you could clean your solenoid and put less lube on it. I did all these things just to be sure and bye bye FSDO.

So really a little lubing and cleaning of your gun can cure FSDO almost everytime time.

[ShootPaint]

Originally posted by SwEeTiMpY47
The cause of first shot drop off (FSDO) is mostly just neglect of maintenance or not having the knowledge of the solutions. A properly lubeb hammer assembly and bolt if not delrin usually cures it. But if you've had ur Imp for a while all you need to do is take off the back cap and clean out the lube in there and that fixed it for me. Then if those dont work which they did for me you could clean your solenoid and put less lube on it. I did all these things just to be sure and bye bye FSDO.

So really a little lubing and cleaning of your gun can cure FSDO almost everytime time.

Well lets look at these three markers from the inside out and truely compare them.

The BKO has a high pressure reg to supply the gas that propels the paintball. It has a low pressure reg that drives the ram/hammer and bolt assembly to load the paint ball. This is accomplished by the use of a 2 way solenoid. It has a spring that recocks the marker. Cost $300ish

Impulse has a high pressure reg. It supplies gas that propels the ball. This same gas also recocks the marker. It uses a 4 way solenoid to both fire the marker and recock it. $400ish

B2K or B2K4: The only difference between these two markers is the Paint Detection system and the Anodizing. The B2K has a High pressure reg that supplies the gas to propel the ball and a low pressure reg that drives the ram/hammer and bolt assembly. These markers use a 4 way solenoid to accomplish this. Price of the B2K $400ish B2K4 $500ish.

As you can see from the above the BKO is not the same firing system as the Impulse but the B2K and the B2K4 are the same basic firing system. For this reason I am going to go more in depth in the comparision of the B2K's and the Imp than I will the BKO and the Imp.

If you are looking at getting a BKO over a Imp I dont recommend it. The BKO is, believe it or not, a entry level marker. It has the preformance of several of the higher end markers but has several short comings when compared to these same higher end markers. The biggest problem is the firing system. With the spring return, that is used in the BKO, you will find high recoil, high cocking pressures, more inconsistancy in your FPS from shot to shot. The BKO does give you the option for PDS install but will run you upwards of $160. Any other part that you could possibly want to replace on the BKO is availible.

Now onto the Imp and B2K's comparison.

The Impulse has one major design flaw, in my book. The Impulse uses the same air to propel the ball as well as cycle the marker. The way this is accomplished is by SP boring a hole from the HP area in front of the valve to a passage that send the gas back to the solenoid. Here is where the problem starts. It gets worse because SP decided to use a solenoid that was rated to a maximum operating pressure of 125PSI. Well since most Impulse run around 160-200psi SP had to come up with a way to cure this problem. How did they do this??? Well they installed a stiffer spring in the solenoid to allow it to over come the pressure that the solenoid would see. There is still another problem though. Even with the new spring in place SP left one thing out. They did nothing with the orings that seal on the solenoid shaft. These orings are to soft and the higher pressure can deform them when the marker sets for very long. This is what leads to the FSDO that most people have, not the hammer assembly. If you dont believe me simply replace the solenoid in your Impulse with a Bushmaster solenoid and install a LPR and Tapeworm setup. This upgrade will turn your Impulse into a Bushmaster. The Tapeworm isolates the HP passage, described above, from the solenoid and allows the LPR to supply gas for the cocking system. Now with minor lubing of the ram, just like that in a Bushy, you will see the Impulse will run without FSDO.

With the FSDO covered lets move onto the ram assembly of the pulse. The current ram assembly used in the Pulse is oversized to give a stock Impulse the force it needs to open the valve. With the above listed upgrades this ram is greatly oversized and does nothing for the marker other than suck down gas. Again this can be cured I am sure with a new ram. Surely someone out that has designed a new ram that will help bring the efficency up with a high end pulse.

As you can see above we turned the Pulse into a Bushmaster so I do see the need in explaining the Bushmasters firing system in depth. The only major difference in the Bushmasters firing system in a spring in the ram assembly that assists the ram in firing forward. This spring was put in place to help cure FSDO problems that were present in the Gen 1 markers. In most current B2K's you can actually remove these springs with no ill effects.

Now lets goto the trigger. The Impulse trigger out of the box has to be the worst trigger on a electronic marker. I am extremely disappointed in the trigger supplied by SP in this marker. Kingman produces a trigger that is of equal or better quality than the SP trigger. Now granted you can fix this by picking up a new trigger. I personally liked the Eclipse Magno trigger.

The Bushmaster trigger is the most adjustable trigger on the marker in any frame at this time. You have three selectable pivot points for the trigger as well as the ability to adjust the spring tension, switch actuation, and trigger back travel. It is a blade style trigger. One down side to the BKO and B2K trigger. There are currently no replacment triggers availible but there are several mods for the triggers, such as magnet mods.

Next we come to the valve. It to is designed much like the ram assembly. It is made to allow for a high flow of gas which allows the pulse to run at a low pressure. Should you begin to upgrade your pulse like I have listed above you are going to want to replace this valve around the same time as you would your tapeworm and lpr upgrade or your marker will sacrafice efficency.

The bushmaster valve is a decent valve, like the pulse. When you start to upgrade the marker you can increase its preformance by replacing the valve but it isnt required like in the pulse.

Now lets look at electronics. Well I can honestly say that the stock electronics in the pulse isnt that bad. You can get better electronics for it in the form of a WAS or even a Chaos board. This will be a improvement over the stock electronics that will allow for a higher rate of fire, more control over dwell settings, firing rates, Anti-Chop eye setups and Anti-Chop eye functions.

The Bushmaster can be upgraded with a Chaos board, Techmaster and WAS board as well. The stock board in the B2K3's and newer has pretty decent software on it, as compared to years past. It can still be improved with the upgrade to one of the above boards.

Now that we know about the electronic what about the ACE (Anti-Chop Eye). The Pulse uses a reflective eye. This is a simple way to give the marker the ability to see when paint is loaded in the breech, well most of the time. With a reflective eye you have some problems. Since the eye is reflective it has problems with dark colored paints and bolts. The reason for this is any ACE/PDS system uses a transmitter and a reciever. The transmitter send out a beam of infared(sp???) light that is recieved by the, you guessed it, the reciever. When the reciever see the light in the Impulse it knows that a ball is loaded. If you use a dark shelled paint the chances are good that the light will be absorbed by the ball and not reflected back to the reciever and in turn the marker will think that a ball isnt loaded.

The PDS (Paint Detection System) that is used in a bushy uses the same basic parts as the Impulse system but it doesnt reflect the light. The PDS system sends a beam of light from the left side of the breech to the right side of the breech, again from the transmitter to the reciever. When the light is present the marker knows that a ball isnt loaded. When a ball falls in place it blocks the light from being transferred to the reciever and in turn allows the marker to fire. Since this is a break beam it doesnt matter what color the ball is. Bad news for the Impulse. There isnt upgrade that I am aware of that allows the pulse to be changed from a reflective to break beam ACE system.

One last point. The Impulse is made from, I think this is the correct grades, 6061 aluminum while the Bushmaster is made from 6063. This basically means the Bushmaster will has a strong grade of aluminum used in its parts than the Impulse.

Now if you go back and you take the price of the above markers and then compare the price of the upgrades that you want to install to make the marker preform to the level you desire I think you will find the Bushmaster in cheaper in all ways. With less upgrades needing to be preformed out of the box than the Pulse you will have more money for paint, upgrades, beer, whatever!!!

Finally not matter what marker you get shot it and make sure it feels good in your hands. I can tell you all day long how marker A is better than marker B but if it doesnt feel good in your hands what does it matter.

[JustBunkered]

That is definitly sticky worthy, awesome write up Travis! :tup:

[paintballer334]

ya good job travis, and btw acidcustoms makes aftermarket triggers now

[slushii]

Come on guys lets get real here. Yes a B2K is better than a Impulse. But the BKO is no where near the Imp.

[ImpYa]

Originally posted by slushii
Come on guys lets get real here. Yes a B2K is better than a Impulse. But the BKO is no where near the Imp.

Ive owned all 3.

The BKO definitely competes with the Imp in my opinion.

+/-4 over the chrono.
Accurate
Fast
More efficient
My KO with blindbolt has hardly any kick at all.
Shorter and lighter

[Born_to_Race]

Originally posted by JustBunkered
That is definitly sticky worthy, awesome write up Travis! :tup:

Very true :D

[Dav-Thompson]

well thanks for all your help... you guys can keep debating by all means but i have made my decision... im going with a 2004 B2K with PDS and a black to silver fade... thanks again

[yoda101]

let me be the first to say then welcome to the family :)

[Dav-Thompson]

lol thank you... oh i posted the same question in the imp forum and theyt were all like imp, but summ people still said bko or b2k4 and then i was like well i decided on b2k4 and they werent too happy... but im glad i chose the b2k4

[lotus_esprit5]

... oh i posted the same question in the imp forum and theyt were all like imp, but summ people still said bko or b2k4 and then i was like well i decided on b2k4 and they werent too happy
oh yeah, was that the thread where I had that awesome debate going with toothpastedog? That guy knows his crap with 'pulses, I was up until about 2:00am arguing with him. I think he ended up getting that thread stickied in the FAQ. Anyway I'm glad you picked the B2K4, have fun with it. As with any new ICD family member, when you get your gun you must go to the pic thread and post pics!

[Rich4444]

Travis brings it home for ICD!! You should ask ICD for some commisions Travis hahahahaha, but really that was an awesome head to head comparison!

Personally, I think a BKO could be considered a "high level" marker, if by "high level" marker you mean a marker you could play amateur or pro paintball with and win. I still stick by the theory that if you can shoot 10+ balls per second, any more paint is just more money you spend, not the better you play :)

[ImpYa]

Originally posted by Rich4444
Travis brings it home for ICD!! You should ask ICD for some commisions Travis hahahahaha, but really that was an awesome head to head comparison!

Personally, I think a BKO could be considered a "high level" marker, if by "high level" marker you mean a marker you could play amateur or pro paintball with and win. I still stick by the theory that if you can shoot 10+ balls per second, any more paint is just more money you spend, not the better you play :)

Ive seen people run through strings of roughly 10bps. I say more like 14bps.

[Shmavistime]

Originally posted by JustBunkered
and since you don't own either gun, and obviously don't know what your talking about, leave it to the people who know their stuff. DUR!!!!!

[[Infusion]BigC]

I posted this in a debate in the General Forum, but I think it has its place here as well. It was also quite a lot of work so I felt it belonged in an FAQ :-D. It's a price comparison between a fully upped Imp and a fully upped B2K4 w/ PDS. Enjoy!

Originally posted by [Infusion]BigC
Alright, here's your answer:

Fully Upgraded B2K4 w/ PDS:
-B2K4 w/ PDS ($495 (http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=IlFHIaMpUftHKOITHVqHiangXJm71QyGUyQ=?Pro ductID=raasFAY7tokAAAD7Eg8wXGB5))
-Chaos Board ($78 (http://www.tantrumpaintball.peachhost.com/ct_PRtanbrd.htm))
-SodaCan2 LPR($89 (http://www.tantrumpaintball.peachhost.com/ct_PRakasoda.htm))
-CP Pro Barrel Base Kit ($130 (http://www.shootpaint.com/pd-1814480065.htm?defaultVariants=search0_EQ_Gloss_AN D_search1_EQ_Black_AND_search2_EQ_Black_AND_search 3_EQ_10_AND_search4_EQ_Angel_AND_{EOL}&categoryId=2))
-Zenitram 15 degree ASA ($34 (http://www.tantrumpaintball.peachhost.com/ct_PRzenb2kasabl.htm))
-Dye Sticky 3 Grips ($24.95 (http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=-LlLxoZTli9LxMdpuaqLboz1B1TSFSn8icw=?ProductID=5g%2 esFAY71J8AAAD3HuelA_2s))
-APlus Clamping Lo-Rise ($32 (http://www.tantrumpaintball.peachhost.com/ct_PRaplnorbl.htm))
-Macdev RED Valve ($38 (http://www.tantrumpaintball.peachhost.com/ct_PRmacred.htm))
-CP Rail ($27.50 (http://www.shootpaint.com/pd327062800.htm?defaultVariants=search0_EQ_Black_A ND_search1_EQ_Gloss_AND_{EOL}&categoryId=14))
-System-X On/Off ($15 (http://store.yahoo.com/bradyspaintball/syxasaonblus.html))
-AKA 2 Liter HPR ($100 (http://www.tantrumpaintball.peachhost.com/ct_PRaka2lblk.htm))
-AKA 2 Liter Extension ($16 (http://www.tantrumpaintball.peachhost.com/ct_PRaka2lexten.htm))

Total = $1079.45 + shipping.

That's about the most upped Bushy you're gonna find. If I've missed something, someone plaease tell me and I will add it, but I think that's it. That is one kickin' setup, btw.

Fully Upgraded Vision Impulse:
-Impulse + Magnetic Trigger + Tapeworm ($425 (http://store.yahoo.com/paintballwholesalers2003-store/spveimb.html))
-WAS Equalizer Board ($149.95 (http://www.wickedairsportz.com/ordering1.htm))
-New Designz Impulse Ultimate LPR Combo ($99.95 (http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=XBFvi39IMvdvjT5yGN6vI3XuVDyqQtDnLWQ=?Pro ductID=xTKsFAY7%2ezAAAAD3RPOlA_2s))
-CP Pro Barrel Base Kit ($130 (http://www.shootpaint.com/pd-1814480065.htm?defaultVariants=search0_EQ_Gloss_AN D_search1_EQ_Black_AND_search2_EQ_Black_AND_search 3_EQ_10_AND_search4_EQ_Angel_AND_{EOL}&categoryId=2))
-New Designz 15 Degree Adapter ($34.95 (http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=XBFvi39IMvdvjT5yGN6vI3XuVDyqQtDnLWQ=?Pro ductID=vIysFAY7AD0AAAD5nA9JBmGW))
-Dye Sticky 3 Grips ($24.95 (http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=-LlLxoZTli9LxMdpuaqLboz1B1TSFSn8icw=?ProductID=5g%2 esFAY71J8AAAD3HuelA_2s))
-New Designz Impulse Clamping Low Rise ($29.95 (http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=XBFvi39IMvdvjT5yGN6vI3XuVDyqQtDnLWQ=?Pro ductID=s6msFAY7lkMAAAD8DuOLdoWL))
-New Designz Impulse High Flow Valve ($32.95 (http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=XBFvi39IMvdvjT5yGN6vI3XuVDyqQtDnLWQ=?Pro ductID=aKCsFAY7tmwAAAD3gvOlA_2s))
-CP Rail ($27.50 (http://www.shootpaint.com/pd327062800.htm?defaultVariants=search0_EQ_Black_A ND_search1_EQ_Gloss_AND_{EOL}&categoryId=14))
-System-X On/Off ($15 (http://store.yahoo.com/bradyspaintball/syxasaonblus.html))
-New Designz Impulse Ram Housing Assembly ($87.95 (http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=XBFvi39IMvdvjT5yGN6vI3XuVDyqQtDnLWQ=?Pro ductID=wz%2esFAY7VvEAAAD5bQ9JBmGW))
-New Designz Impulse Equalizer Pro Delrin Venturi Bolt ($32.95 (http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=XBFvi39IMvdvjT5yGN6vI3XuVDyqQtDnLWQ=?Pro ductID=TqCsFAY7_7UAAAD34vClA_2s))
-AKA 2 Liter HPR ($100 (http://www.tantrumpaintball.peachhost.com/ct_PRaka2lblk.htm))
-AKA 2 Liter Extension ($16 (http://www.tantrumpaintball.peachhost.com/ct_PRaka2lexten.htm))

Total = $1277.05 + shipping

That's about the most upped Impulse you're gonna find. If I've missed something, someone plaease tell me and I will add it, but I think that's it. That is also a very awsome setup.

So, ultimately, if you were to choose a bushy you'd end up saving yourself about $200. Both those markers are excellent and will perform flawlessly. At this point it's down to which one feels better too you and if you are willing to dish out a couple hundred more dollars for the Imp. The Imp is also a bit heavier if that matters to you.

*whew* I need to take a break.

Hope this helps.

[1bigcoker]

Impulse! post this in the impulse section and u will see, most of these people havent tried impulses, theyre just dum asses

[paintballman232]

guys... month old thread...

[kl1223]

Originally posted by 1bigcoker
Impulse! post this in the impulse section and u will see, most of these people havent tried impulses, theyre just dum asses
This was also posted in the Impulse forum...

And anyway this threads over a month old.