Impulses and CO2

[Zeek104]

Sorry if this has been asked numerous times... Which I know it has but plain and simple...

Does the Imp work well with CO2 or can it work with CO2 with the rite reg?

BTW this is a question that Im asking fer a friend... I myself like my Cocker just fine :P

[Hyperballin]

Yes, the co2 can be used on an impulse, YOU MUST GET AN ANTI SIPHON. Its also recommened that u get an on/off valve. When my tank broke i used co2 and it worked fine, except the veloctiy was bouncing up and down from time to time. Just dont walk the trigger past about 10 bps because your maxy will turn into an iceberg

[lotus_esprit5]

Does the Imp work well with CO2 It'll work, but it wont work well. You'll be able to use it, but it wont be as consistent as HPA and you might want to back off on the trigger a little bit so the CO2 has time to expand before entering the gun. A/S is a must. Put a Palmer Stab on it (male or female depending on whether you have a vert or horizontal max-flo) so that you have a dual-reg setup and it'll work alot better. I know ppl who have dual stabs on their Bushmaster and it works extremely well, as good as HPA.

[impfan]

as soon as i got my imp i put co2 through it and sprouted 3 leaks....and it all went downhill from there...so i just saved up and bought a nitro tank and its so much better....i wouldnt run co2 through it all, but if u dont have access to compressed air fills (some people dont) then i would say u dont have a choice but to use co2...

[cockerboy111]

I have CO2 on my Imp now...Im getting a Nitro real son tho...Co2 is fine as long as you have an Anti Siphon...and make sure you screw the bottle on so the A/S works proprely and you shouldnt have any problems...sure it wont run as well as Nitro but if your on a tight budget then go for it...

[master_chadwick]

just tell your friend to get a steely 48 3000 nitro. its much easier and better than going through the trouble of Setting up to max out on preformance for C02. i used a 48 for a long time on my imp......they're only 80 bucks or so and if your lucky you can find used ones for around 60 with 3 years left till rehydro.

[ikey]

yeah u can use it but u will get bad performance, like shootdown, inconsistancy, more wear on ur gun, possibly more leaks due to dmaging seals.

[nos911]

If you must use CO2, make sure you have it A/S by a certified airsmith. HPA will work better though.

[Dark Master]

Originally posted by nos911
If you must use CO2, make sure you have it A/S by a certified airsmith. HPA will work better though.

:agree:............:P

[Azn_Boy]

Originally posted by Hyperballin
Yes, the co2 can be used on an impulse, YOU MUST GET AN ANTI SIPHON. Its also recommened that u get an on/off valve. When my tank broke i used co2 and it worked fine, except the veloctiy was bouncing up and down from time to time. Just dont walk the trigger past about 10 bps because your maxy will turn into an iceberg
:agree::agree::agree:

[Dark Master]

:nod: :nod: :nod:

[master_chadwick]

i don't see the point in even bothering with Co2, lets see a 20oz Co2 is what 20 new and then you have labor and price for the A/S itself. so thats like 40 bucks? save up the extra 40 and get the Steely instead of bothering with a lesser source of air. sheesh:|

[impy1511]

:agree:

[10-brink]

Originally posted by impy1511
:agree:

:agree: :agree:

[master_chadwick]

Thank you

[tjd10684]

AIR IS AIR IF IT IS REGULATED PROPERLY IT ALL WORKS THE SAME SORRY NITRO GUYS. NITRO IS NOT BETTER. AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, IF IT DOSE'NT WORK WITH CO2 WHAT THE HECK GOOD IS IT?

[Game-on]

Air is Air, ok....

Do a search on N2 versus Co2, they have very different properties especially when temperature is a factor.



If it can't run on Co2 Then what good is it?

That's just asking for trouble...


Do a little Chemistry homework and then come back.



p.s. - Learn how to turn off the caps, please......

[cockerboy111]

Originally posted by tjd10684
AIR IS AIR IF IT IS REGULATED PROPERLY IT ALL WORKS THE SAME SORRY NITRO GUYS. NITRO IS NOT BETTER. AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, IF IT DOSE'NT WORK WITH CO2 WHAT THE HECK GOOD IS IT?


Who is this guy and what did he smoke?

[ikey]

wow that is probably the most noob thing ive ever heard. and he bassically called every single high end gun no good.

[tjd10684]

game on you are right but that is straight n2 vs co2. again like i said IF properly regulated their is no difference.
i am no noob i have been playing for 9 yrs.
high end markers are not pieces of crap but if you believe that an angel absolutely will not run off of co2 you are wrong. it may sputter if it was not regulated but it would work. who decided that n2 was better anyhow. all of sp's markers work on co2. why can't other markers? i own an impulse and run it off of co2 with just the max flow. when i chrono plus or minus 5 fps every time. the reason you see such an improvement once you buy n2 is because of Freudian defense mechanisms called rationalization(supplying a logical or rational reason as opposed to the real reason) ex:what you say "my n2 tank kicks all because its better than co2." real reason "i just paid $400 for this little tank it better be better." if someone can prove me wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt i am willing to listen but if you have no hard evidence just go back from whence you came.

[impfan]

dude no....just no, co2 is NOT better....first of all it is cold, and liquified. And guess what that means it breaks seals and orings. Also co2 will spike and will have major shootdown in rapid fire becuz it has to go through a physical change from liquid to gas. With n2 it is a straight uncluttered flow of gas. Also even with anti siphon some liquid gets into your gun and will shorten the life of your marker, and seals. And also its been a fact that n2 is better than co2 ever since the 2 were made. Plus n2 will get you much much more shots than any co2 tank ever could. Also how many people do you see with nice tournament markers with co2 on em thinkin the same thing you do.

[master_chadwick]

If i'm not mistaken Co2 still rquires thermal energy to expand it into a gas before it gets into the gun, with the rates of fire these days i don't want the chance of sucking liquid anywhere.i'm not about to half *** anything that goes into my gun. All guns have to regualte air sure thing, but go play with a straight up 20 oz with an E orricle sometime and tell me what fun you have, hell do it with a Stock automag this is a perfect example of why N2 is better. I didn't have to spen 400 on my N2, i spent 170 and my screw in preset 68/45 has been nothing but good to me. my only experience with Co2 was hot shots inconsitancy and low preformance. Have you tried playing in colder weather with Co2? tell me if Co2 is just as good then. thats my arguement. N2 is better plain and simple, nothing sweating minimal shootdown. I'm not about to ruin 500 bucks worth of gun.....or orings for that matter. personally i don't think Freud has anything to do with this

[cockerboy111]

[i]if someone can prove me wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt i am willing to listen . [/B]

Ok...lets get toothpastedog in here....

[ikey]

tdj, i really did not want to type all this but u made me. here goes. when co2 is filled, it becomes a liquid. in order for co2 to be used, it must be a gas. therefore, between ur tank and ur gun, it must expand. so nomatter what u do, or how properly regualted, co2 will not run as well just to the fact that it muct expand before it can be used. under heavy fire u will have more shootdown with co2 than u will with nitro, because nitro is always in its useable state. second, due to the nature of co2, it reacts to temerature. co2 in ur bottle can be anyhwere from 600 psi on a very cold day, to 1000 psi on a hot day. this makes co2 very inconsistant compared to nitro, because nitro is always the same. also, co2 is a dirty gas. nomatter how many regualtors u have co2 running through, it will stil lbe dirtier than nitro, and will harm the seals of ur gun. also, co2 is cold, which also harms the seals or ur gun. u say if it is properly regualted, well tehn the regulators u are using are being affected greatly by co2. yes if u put good regualotrs that run well with co2 on guns like the stabilizer or maxflow, ur can run guns on co2. but its not good for them. also, i dont care what u say, u cant argue that guns run better on nitro than they do on co2. there is no comparison there. i honestly cant see how u think co2 is better. there is no logical answer for that. the only one i can think of is that u are cheap and u dont want to spend 70 bucks and get a nitro tank.

[impfan]

do i hear a bell ringing?.....cuz tjd you just got schooled!!!

[cockerboy111]

Originally posted by ikey
tdj, i really did not want to type all this but u made me. here goes. when co2 is filled, it becomes a liquid. in order for co2 to be used, it must be a gas. therefore, between ur tank and ur gun, it must expand. so nomatter what u do, or how properly regualted, co2 will not run as well just to the fact that it muct expand before it can be used. under heavy fire u will have more shootdown with co2 than u will with nitro, because nitro is always in its useable state. second, due to the nature of co2, it reacts to temerature. co2 in ur bottle can be anyhwere from 600 psi on a very cold day, to 1000 psi on a hot day. this makes co2 very inconsistant compared to nitro, because nitro is always the same. also, co2 is a dirty gas. nomatter how many regualtors u have co2 running through, it will stil lbe dirtier than nitro, and will harm the seals of ur gun. also, co2 is cold, which also harms the seals or ur gun. u say if it is properly regualted, well tehn the regulators u are using are being affected greatly by co2. yes if u put good regualotrs that run well with co2 on guns like the stabilizer or maxflow, ur can run guns on co2. but its not good for them. also, i dont care what u say, u cant argue that guns run better on nitro than they do on co2. there is no comparison there. i honestly cant see how u think co2 is better. there is no logical answer for that. the only one i can think of is that u are cheap and u dont want to spend 70 bucks and get a nitro tank.


Exactly waht i was thinking....:eyes: ...

[CoolHand]

Well, actually, some of us live out in BFE where there is no HPA to be had. (That means no boosters, no scuba, nothing)

I run CO2 through every marker I own (which is . . . . . carry the two . . . . 5 right now, '03 shocker, Imp, Classic Mag, a Free Flow cocker, and a mostly stock cocker), and not one of them complains, or has problems. Like that one fellow said, you just have to treat it right (the CO2 that is).

I've had my '03 shocker up to 16 (gotta love switch bounce :D ) over the chroney with CO2, no shoot down, no problems. Sure, the bottle frosted over, but who cares.

Right Click here, and select "Save Target As" to download a vid of me and my bud Eric ripping on my Imp . . . . . which was running on CO2. (http://www.logicpaintball.com/Merchant2/RipperIntroMovie.avi)

Eric gets it up to 17 in that first clip, I have retarded fingers, thusly, I cannot walk a trigger to save my life, but I was able to fan it to 14 (I would be the fat guy). The only ill effects? I froze my hand to the vert Maxy. :laugh:

I'm not flaming, I'm just saying it can be done. For most folks, its cheaper and easier to just buy a steel nitro tank.

But don't say it's impossible ('cause I know better).

Also, a nice side effect of having to run CO2 . . . . . I can shoot over 3000 rounds off that tank in the vid. :eek: All day air ain't got nothin on the honkin CO2 tank. :laugh:

[10-brink]

you must be very proud

[CoolHand]

Originally posted by 10-brink
you must be very proud

:laugh: Not really.

I'd rather just bolt on a 68/4500 HPA bottle, and be done with it, but I can't, so I deal with what I gots.

Later