Sniper Gun Questions [Archive]

Ebonclaw

12-03-2001, 10:29 AM

Would you prefer I remove "bunker" from my vocabulary and replace it with "field obstacle"? Or would you rather I remove the words "trigger frame" from my vocabulary and replace them with "lever actuation device frame"? And how about instead of "camoflauge" we call it"concealment linens"? Heck, we could take it a step further and remove anything gun related from our vocabulary. No more "bolts", we'll call them "ball propellent rods." And "barrel" is far too explicit. Let's use the term "honed pipe."
Let's face it guys, hunters call their guns "guns" and they're in no danger of having their rifles taken away by the government. The most they'll get is the standard "anti gun activists" crap, which paintball will have to deal with no matter what we call our "oil based color filled gelatin capsule propelling devices."
Now, if hunters can call their guns "guns" why the heck can't we? Honestly, do you really think calling it anything different is going to change anyone's opinion who actually sees the game? And if they aren't going to take the time to even find out a little about paintball besides determining that an article written about it used the word "gun" and therefore is a sport of the devil's hands, why should we care what they think? There's always going to be a number of morons and we're always going to have to deal with them. Calling our guns "markers" isn't going to change anything. Therefore, I don't think anyone needs to be removing the word "snipe" from their vocabulary anytime soon.
I, however, view "sniping" as a tactic only viable in woods games, and almost completely futile because even if you have a flatline, by the time the ball reaches your long distance target, it'll be going so slow it won't break. The best you can hope for is to conceal yourself well and hope someone walks by.

DrummerPunk

12-11-2001, 12:08 PM

In my opinion, the best way to go for longer distance would be the Model98 with the flatline barrel. It shoots farther than other barrels because of the backspin. You will need to use balls that break really. just because the balls shoot farther, dont mean they always have enouhp force to break.:crazy:

Thor the Mighty

12-11-2001, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by Ebonclaw
Would you prefer I remove "bunker" from my vocabulary and replace it with "field obstacle"? Or would you rather I remove the words "trigger frame" from my vocabulary and replace them with "lever actuation device frame"? And how about instead of "camoflauge" we call it"concealment linens"? Heck, we could take it a step further and remove anything gun related from our vocabulary. No more "bolts", we'll call them "ball propellent rods." And "barrel" is far too explicit. Let's use the term "honed pipe."
Let's face it guys, hunters call their guns "guns" and they're in no danger of having their rifles taken away by the government. The most they'll get is the standard "anti gun activists" crap, which paintball will have to deal with no matter what we call our "oil based color filled gelatin capsule propelling devices."
Now, if hunters can call their guns "guns" why the heck can't we? Honestly, do you really think calling it anything different is going to change anyone's opinion who actually sees the game? And if they aren't going to take the time to even find out a little about paintball besides determining that an article written about it used the word "gun" and therefore is a sport of the devil's hands, why should we care what they think? There's always going to be a number of morons and we're always going to have to deal with them. Calling our guns "markers" isn't going to change anything. Therefore, I don't think anyone needs to be removing the word "snipe" from their vocabulary anytime soon.
I, however, view "sniping" as a tactic only viable in woods games, and almost completely futile because even if you have a flatline, by the time the ball reaches your long distance target, it'll be going so slow it won't break. The best you can hope for is to conceal yourself well and hope someone walks by.

well ebon, sniping is the action of taking someone out with a gun at a long distance. bunker isnt as bad as SNIPING

Ebonclaw

12-12-2001, 09:40 AM

In which case sniping is a legitimate word to use in paintball.....seeing as how you can take someone out from a distance, especially with a flatline (but only if you hit them in the mask cuz it won't break anywhere else). Anyway, my point IS, come on, there ARE words that CAN be used to describe our sport, even though it IS just a sport, that fit militarily as well. Go back to my trigger frame for example. You say "trigger" what do most people think of? Marker? Or gun? Let's face it, it doesn't matter what we call the stupid things, if someone doesn't like guns they won't like a marker either. In fact, they probably won't like a slingshot if you go to the really conservative groups.

DrummerPunk

12-12-2001, 10:01 AM

Yeah. I'm pretty sure if people dont like guns, they wont be running around "marking" people with paintball "markers" anyway. So as long as you get the idea... I do think snyping is a funny word for paintball though. Most all paintball guns shoot the same distance. so does that mean everyone thats playing is a "long baller"?

Ebonclaw

12-12-2001, 10:55 AM

Yeah, I don't mind the word "sniper" but "sniping" and "sniper gun" drive me nuts. To me, all sniper is is a word used to describe the person you didn't see that shoots you from a long distance away (for paintball anyway).

Weird.....punk and goth agreeing on something.....oh well, we all rock 'n' roll. I'll stick to my Zeppelin and Bella Morte and Jack Off Jill and you stick to your Jimmy Eat World......but don't cross the line.......
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death

12-12-2001, 04:04 PM

huh. i really am not comfortable with the word "sniping". not to be a pain in the arse, but it really doesnt' give any respect to the real snipers. please use long-balling or marksmanship. unless you are a really military sniper. are you really not a noob? :) :D

CDietz

12-16-2001, 04:52 AM

Originally posted by Ebonclaw
Or would you rather I remove the words "trigger frame" from my vocabulary and replace them with "lever actuation device frame"?

lol :laugh:

wwhooper

12-16-2001, 05:28 AM

Ya know, unless your team is a scenario team, therre is no "sniping" to be done. if you are talking about being the team's back player, there isn't much long balling to it. just physics. If you don't feel like caculating ballistics, go with the model 98 w/flatline barrel AND dbl trigger AND RT trigger. The object of the back player is to SLING PAINT AND SLING IT FAST!!!!!! HE's SUPPOSED TO WATCH OUT FOR THE FRONT PLAYERS AND PREVENT THEM FROM BEIN BUNKERED!!!!!!! HE'S SUPpOSED TO SLING PAINT AS FAST AS HE CAN AT THE OTHER TEAM'S POSITION SO the front players know where to shoot!!!!!!!!! Newbies are always the same... wanna "sniper" people like in the movies... only scenario teams have any reason to have a "sniper" (well, or newbie wannabe tournament teams apparently)...

CDietz

12-16-2001, 06:01 AM

Originally posted by wwhooper
Ya know, unless your team is a scenario team, therre is no "sniping" to be done. if you are talking about being the team's back player, there isn't much long balling to it. just physics. If you don't feel like caculating ballistics, go with the model 98 w/flatline barrel AND dbl trigger AND RT trigger. The object of the back player is to SLING PAINT AND SLING IT FAST!!!!!! HE's SUPPOSED TO WATCH OUT FOR THE FRONT PLAYERS AND PREVENT THEM FROM BEIN BUNKERED!!!!!!! HE'S SUPpOSED TO SLING PAINT AS FAST AS HE CAN AT THE OTHER TEAM'S POSITION SO the front players know where to shoot!!!!!!!!! Newbies are always the same... wanna "sniper" people like in the movies... only scenario teams have any reason to have a "sniper" (well, or newbie wannabe tournament teams apparently)...

amen

Ebonclaw

12-16-2001, 11:56 AM

Now granted, I'll agree with you, there is no "sniping", long balling or whatever in speedball. But there is, indeed this activity in woods and scenario play.....and technically, someone who shoots someone else from a hidden point from a distance away is....well....a sniper. If you don't like me using that word, fine, I'll stop. But it offends me when YOU (not myself) use the word "the." I expect you not to use it around me either. There now, see? We can eventually limit all vocabulary to a politically correct form that is incomprehensible legal gibberish. I'm not a newbie, but I stand by my belief that there are "snipers" or whatever in scenario and woods play, and I don't care what you call them.
And no, I'm not disrespecting "real" snipers, I just recognize that though they are called the same thing, and technically do the same thing (pick off opposition from a concealed location at a distance) they are still worlds apart. Back to the trigger frame. You can argue that a trigger is only a lever on a gun that fires a real bullet. This doesn't stop the paintball "marker" from having a trigger.

laxman5

12-17-2001, 02:46 PM

back to the topic....a good gun for long distance shooting would be a model 98 with a flatline or there is a flatline cocker (personally i think its ugly but then again so is the m98) looks aint everything though...if you want the performance it offers.....get it

TheZephyr

12-20-2001, 08:45 PM

A sniper is a hidden player that shoots at you from a distance. Simple as that.

XeRo

12-29-2001, 03:22 PM

There is a phase most pballers go through... in one shape or form. A phase of "wow i wanna make this more real". This takes place around the skill lvl of noob to about intermediate. They buy sights and grenades and start buying up tactical clothing and vests and ****. And then most famous and popular, Sniper. I've seen kids come in to our fields dressed in guile suits, i've seen them mod up there pump guns to the point where they where pepsi bottles spray painted to add realism. WHAT THE ****!? ppl have to learn that pball is now a popular sport (hmm.. i smell pball in xgames soon). you dont shoot a pball gun the way you shoot a real gun. You don't cradle the gun the same. I guess its just the way ppl play? i dont know all i know i've been on both sides... ive played with a Marine Recon Sniper and he plainly sucks... if he plays the way he fights in combat... i wouldnt want to share a foxhole with that guy. all i know is that kids who think there tactical and **** suck and most of us guys ownz em when they come to our games.

O yea i have an m98 custom w/ flatline and proteam stock... does that make me a sniper?

Magnus55

12-29-2001, 05:05 PM

I'd say it makes you a paintball player with a m98 custom w/ flatline and proteam stock. Call yourself whatever else you want.

carrim

12-29-2001, 08:20 PM

A paintball "Sniper" is just someone who can infiltrate and hide while still shoot and be effective.

xdanyx

01-03-2002, 03:54 PM

can u snip in a pb game ????
how far can most paintball guns go???????

Valadian

01-04-2002, 12:07 AM

Yes, grab a dictionary and look up the proper definition of sniping. You can snipe with any missile weapon (i.e. a paintball GUN). Certain people have their heads up their rears with all this politically correct, liberal democrat commy bs, they'll try to tell you that you have to use terms x,y,z so that the sport won't look bad. The sad thing is they dont realize that those terms are insider terms and the people they're afraid of (which they really shouldn't be) are on the "outside". Paintball is pretty well entrenched in society, it's been around for a good while. Heck if it was viewed so negatively as some people here would have you believe do you think it would be one of the #1 things church groups like to do for a fun outing? When was the last time you heard about paintball in the news and with any kind of negative conotation? I can't remember, and I watch the news alot, ALOT.

So yes if you're hiding in a bush and some guy goes walkin by about 30 feet away and you blast him with a shot and he isnt really sure where the heck you were, you sniped him. I dont consider myself a sniper or anything, its something more found in woods style games where you can truly hide yourself. I'm a speedball fan. Can't take wandering around for 15 minutes only for 2 minutes of action where either I get eliminated or take the guy out and then have to go hunting again (before anyone jumps on me that was something of an exaggeration, so chill). But if you want to try sniping and call yourself a sniper, go ahead, it can be done. Personally I don't think its very fun, I like losta shooting! :)

Also for the peanut gallery: The term is sniping, a person is a sniper, you snipe stuff. It's not snip, snipper, or snipping, that means cutting something, usually with scissors.

Crime Dog

01-09-2002, 04:52 AM

For cyrin' out loud, just answer the kid's question!!! Geez people! I'm sick of this argument of the definition of "sniper"!

Alright Batsu, I'm actually going to answer your question.

Yes, the flatline is a good barrel to have on a Tippy 98 to shoot long distance...but here's a few other things to keep in mind.

"Snipers" have to make their shots count. In other words...you can't shoot a lot, and the little you DO shoot, you need to have the balls land and break on their target. Stealth is the most important thing. You don't want the other team to find you. Shoot little, and be quiet.

Thus: Get a SmartParts All American Barrel. They're VERY quiet barrels..and very good accuracy. True, you won't get the distance of a flatline, but I'm not convinced distance is necessary for a paintball sniper. Stealth is the main thing.

So, get a quiet gun...if you have the bucks...get a Autococker or something, and get a SmartParts AA barrel. If you can, build yourself a ghillie suit that will blend in with the terrain that you play in. For more tips on playing the part of the "sniper", go to:

http://paintballzone.com

That site has pretty much all the resources you'll need to be an effective "sniper" in woods paintball.

I myself use a Tippmann Custom 98, with a J&J Pro-1 barrel. Fairly quiet, but I'd like to upgrade to a SP AA myself someday... It's not so much about the gun, as it is the STYLE you play in. Key thought: Don't camp...a sniper still needs to move. Slowly yes, but don't stay put...ESPECIALLY if you are spotted. Anyway, go to that site...

And the rest of ya'll...sheesh...drop the argument already. Those posts just looked really stupid.

DeAd-EyE

01-09-2002, 05:28 AM

well how about the flatline cocker.... cocker accuracy.... flatline distace...good sniping weapon? i think so

Gryffin

01-09-2002, 02:03 PM

I am sorry Batsu22c, it appears a couple of people have given an option for a gun, but mostly they have harked you for saying sniper. If your team is going to have you be one then I say try it and tell me how the strategy works out. And if you're wondering what kind of gun to get I highly recommend trying guns out. Again, seeing as how you only got in one post throughout this topic I am sorry. I say, call yourself whatever you want and if you do happen to find that calling yourself a sniper is detrimental to the sport then stop but until then who cares. I hope you are still even going to this website.

rogue

01-10-2002, 05:30 AM

he said sniper...dont jump on him he even said he was new the sniping so why criticize him and not even bother to answer his question.

BTW for all you fools out there snipers do exist in paintball and they are not discrediting military snipers by calling themselves snipers. Its simply adapting tactics to different enviroment. ie when u dont have days to wait for your target u go find your target, when u dont have the distance to eliminate your target from over 500 yards u move closer to the effective distance of your weapon.

paintball snipers are generally (excluding the people who just call themselves snipers because they camp and take out ppl with their shiny markers and pball jerseys and what not on) more experienced players that others. You try to be left alone from your team FAR behind enemy territory with so many possible shots and only being able to take a few if that many without giving away your spot.

if your scenario sniping (hiding for long times moving slowly because u have lots of time) get a pump gun. SL-68II with tippmanns 14" sniper barrel rocks up to about 100 feet.

if your just supporting your team in a rec game any gun with a good barrel will do. Like crimedog said the smart parts all american barrels are very good but if your tight on money go with a lapco bigshot (these are hard to find though).

and be prepared to be laughed at and though of a newbie because your ghillie suit/camo marker (if you go that far) but thats ok if your good you should have no problem elimating the ppl that say that. most good ppl at least respect snipers so everyone that makes fun of you is either 1.)a newb trying to look good or 2.)just a jerk with nothing beter to do.

sry for long post =) and btw watch out for counter-snipers. its hella fun to get into a stalk against one though.

Yen

01-12-2002, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by xdanyx
can u snip in a pb game ????
how far can most paintball guns go???????

Yes you can snipe. You need a gun and barrel with the range and consistancy of a m98 with flatty and n2 and a stock or something of that nature.
Guys... when people say sniper they don't really mean sniper, a sniper can be a stalker, infiltrator or silent eliminator as the name suggests.
When someone says sniper gun they mean a silent gun with long range.
The people who say there are no snipers in paintball are wrong. There may not be snipers in tornament paintball where newspapers and tv cameras are common place, but to us ignorant woodsballers there are. The sniper is a weapon of fear aggression and destruction worshiped and hated by players, they conseal themselves and ambush or wreak havoc from afar. Do not go into stupid rants about "Saying sniper is baaaad!" Because it isn't! ITS WHAT THEY ARE!!!!

Yen

01-12-2002, 02:34 PM

Man that felt great
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rogue

01-12-2002, 02:46 PM

yea i agree...dont bash on snipers untill uve played a good woodsball game (like ctf or some other type of game not just speedball behind trees). actually my sl-68 is loud...but i still consider it a good sniper gun because it has awesome accuracy and the ranges which i shoot it is extremely accurate(can hit someone 95% of the time from 100 feet away....5% for high wind)

and u dont really need n2 or a regulator....just know your marker and know where the shots are going to go in different cases...knowing your marker and knowing how to move silently and slowly are basically the only skills u need to be a sniper

PartsMart

01-24-2002, 03:07 PM

Well if you're set on being a sniper I'd get one of those expensive pumps. Their accurate and they've got long range

But I also think being a sniper sucks, when i was a newb thats all i dreamed about, but it gets boring, sitting around in a bush for 30 minutes waiting for your attacker to come close enough so uve got a great shot. Ull have alot more fun being a flanker, running around behind people and shooting em in the back of the head

rogue

01-24-2002, 04:51 PM

i still prefer sniping over assaulting because it requires patience and patience is a virtue =)...anyways no offensive but only newb snipers sit and wait...expescially in rec ball ctf games u have to move too the opfor and setup to be hidden while moving behind their mine line to support yours..thats the sign of a (not necessarily good) experienced or intelligent sniper....

BTW the whole point of being a sniper IMO is do away with high cost guns...Sure a Sniper II is a little more accuracte has more upgrades and is quieter than my sl-68 i still consider it better when it comes down to cost/performance

I was reading an article on warpig i think and it was about a different type of sniper...hunter..moves toward the target and this is now what i classify myself as when i snipe because given the time limits any role on the team has to adapt to different situations but a hunter/sniper has the hardest part of it

brad85

01-25-2002, 11:14 AM

if you are talking about being a back player i would say get a cocker or good electro, not a spyder with a elcd grip ora tippmann with e-bolt but likean angel or timmy. Because a back players job is not to "snipe" it is to put down a lot of paint, also if you want to be more accurate a cocker will have the same or better accuracy than any other gun,and will be better than a tippmann.

rogue

01-25-2002, 05:06 PM

u dont angels/timmys whatever to be effective at speedball....Bad Company nuff said

3Fingered Jack

01-25-2002, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by PartsMart
Well if you're set on being a sniper I'd get one of those expensive pumps. Their accurate and they've got long range

But I also think being a sniper sucks, when i was a newb thats all i dreamed about, but it gets boring, sitting around in a bush for 30 minutes waiting for your attacker to come close enough so uve got a great shot. Ull have alot more fun being a flanker, running around behind people and shooting em in the back of the head

Damn straight PartsMart. I've gotten many a kill from flanking a group of n00bs packed into a foxhole and experienced players alike. I usually have to trade a few shots with some people before I break their line, but when I do, I'm god. If I get deep enough, I just act like I'm on their team. Wow, talk about slick. They never see it coming. I agree with Parts, don't snipe, just get good at flanking. Far more effective (well, in weekend walkons) and fun.