can you tell me some about auto cockers [Archive]

Bigshot

09-13-2004, 06:08 PM

You can take a look at the WGP Stickies for info too.

All i know about them (i haven't been interested in them) is they are the most (correct me if i'm wrong) gas efficient. And there solenoid is in the front of the gun so it is more compact. Thats realy all i know about them (i need to take a look at them).

STO Balla 22

09-13-2004, 06:10 PM

Cockers really aren't the most efficient guns, I know that at least Vikings and Excals are more effecient, but I don't know much about effeciency. Having the solenoid in the front (only on E-Cockers obviously) doesn't help much as far as size since the boards are so big compared to something like a Timmy board.

pb wing.

09-13-2004, 06:27 PM

well what is so good about them??
and wat is a good cheap one?

PeYToN-SS

09-13-2004, 06:30 PM

They are VERY upgradeable. The most upgradeable marker in fact. I like how they shoot, it just feels nice to me. A good cheap one would be a 2k3 Vert Cocker from paintballgateway.com for about $235. I wouldn't trust the new Trilogy series yet though.

Ghost2867

09-13-2004, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by STO Balla 22
Cockers really aren't the most efficient guns, I know that at least Vikings and Excals are more effecient, but I don't know much about effeciency. Having the solenoid in the front (only on E-Cockers obviously) doesn't help much as far as size since the boards are so big compared to something like a Timmy board.
quiet u!!

the efficiency of cockers is on par with most any other gun out there...just those few shining exceptions like the vike/excal (but then again, one of their major selling points is their efficiency), or a trix with an evolve bolt (close to or over 2000 per 68/4500!!). i get around 300-400 shots per 1000psi with my 68/4500.

the 'noid up front isnt a problem...i mean, its sure as hell a lot better than having just a mech 3-way, and it looks pretty tite, imo...:P

and who cares about the board size? its in the frame, so it doesnt really matter...

haha...yea.

cockers are nice...

Jeezer

09-13-2004, 08:24 PM

They're a little sluggish for my tastes, the backblock and all those moving parts, and the fact to have a fast cocker, you need lighter parts,its not my thing.

beaverbuddy

09-13-2004, 08:32 PM

Sluggish? What's sluggish? I get 11 bps on the stock trigger pull...

sain

09-14-2004, 04:26 AM

Originally posted by beaverbuddy
Sluggish? What's sluggish? I get 11 bps on the stock trigger pull...

11bps is sluggish

radishboy

09-14-2004, 05:12 AM

Originally posted by beaverbuddy
Sluggish? What's sluggish? I get 11 bps on the stock trigger pull...

if by stock trigger pull you mean slide trigger, you're lying.

amzng_spyderman

09-14-2004, 05:39 AM

don't get a cocker unless you plan on upgrading/customizing.

Kingman27

09-14-2004, 06:05 AM

yeah, maybe a stock 2k3 vf you get for $250 would be sluggish..but that doesnt mean they all would be..its all about DIFFERENT PARTS! theres tons of different parts for cockers...ever shot some sort of the new nexus cocker? they're no where near sluggish..nor is any cocker with just a few of the main upgrades..

your probly just a moron who knows nothing about cockers and has them poorly set up so they shoot like **** :tup:

ive shot cockers tuned so bad I would of rather been shooting a spyder...its the PERSON, not the gun..(as people say about playing :P)
like with an omen, they can rip if you set it up right..
cockers are great to if you spend 15 mins to tune it..

:rolleyes: :eyes:

edit- Originally posted by radishboy

if by stock trigger pull you mean slide trigger, you're lying.

dude..slide triggers havent came stock on wgp cocker for nearly 3 years :eyepop:

he means the stock wgp hinge pull, of course..

amzng_spyderman

09-14-2004, 06:20 AM

wow. kingman owned radishboy. today is a day to remember. 2k2 was the last year to put sliders on cockers stock, but halfway through the year wgp started giving out both sliders and hinge frames. of course, people opted for the metal hinge versus the plastic slider, and so the slider pretty much became extinct.

radishboy

09-14-2004, 11:23 AM

i'm tottaly aware that '02's were the last to have hinge frames...

...what i wasn't aware of, is that beaver had an '04. a common yet fatal mistake. that's what happens when you post half asleep in the school library.

regardless, i accept my defeat. kingman, i've underestimated you ever since...well actually i always have. but you caught me off gaurd. i bow to you now.

by the way, cherish the moment. it's not going to last.

maxpb

09-14-2004, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by amzng_spyderman
don't get a cocker unless you plan on upgrading/customizing.
i like how hes a cocker moderator and says not to get one, haha, but i understant what hes sayin

dog-of-Dislexia

09-14-2004, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by beaverbuddy
Sluggish? What's sluggish? I get 11 bps on the stock trigger pull...

No chance.

hybrid-sniper

09-14-2004, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by beaverbuddy
Sluggish? What's sluggish? I get 11 bps on the stock trigger pull...
Yeah whatever....:rolleyes:

Zorath

09-14-2004, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by beaverbuddy
Sluggish? What's sluggish? I get 11 bps on the stock trigger pull...

Got a vid to back that up?

Six Feet Under

09-14-2004, 02:02 PM

f2f4

09-14-2004, 02:07 PM

The Karnivore can cycle in the upper 20's / low 30's, right? I don't know about you, but that's more than good enough for me. And my peak (without bounce) is ~17 BPS.
Now, for a lower-end 'Cocker, ROF might be a problem with the stock parts. I dunno, really.

Blow-back? On a 'Cocker? Psh. Only if you can't time one worth crap.
I've been experimenting with my friend's 'Cocker, and even I have achieved suction on it. Then again, I have achieved suction on my Spyder, so...that's kinda a moot point, though.

And yes, 'Cockers are very effecient. Not to mention they look cool as hell. :)

amzng_spyderman

09-14-2004, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by maxpb

i like how hes a cocker moderator and says not to get one, haha, but i understant what hes sayin
i have come to accept the fact that cockers are not for everyone, only the elite tinkerers (ie, guys with lots of tools, lots of time, and lots of money).

Six Feet Under

09-14-2004, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by f2f4
Not to mention they look cool as hell. :)

Unless you've got a right-feed.

ImprezaWRC

09-14-2004, 02:44 PM

sure e-cockers can keep up with electros in speed, but when you look at the operating method, the e-cocker is inferior due to how impractical the design is compared to the comon sacked tube electro.

Downfall08

09-14-2004, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by beaverbuddy
Sluggish? What's sluggish? I get 11 bps on the stock trigger pull...
beaver, i've seen your vid and you were shooting nowhere near 11.

i completely agree with spydey. if i had known how much money and time i would have to put into my cocker to make it good i would have never bought it. That being said i reall like it a lot but if the chance ever came to sell for a decent amount i would do it in a heartbeat

I <3 trixes

pb wing.

09-14-2004, 03:10 PM

dudes.
why do you always do that.
always start to critisize every1.
i was askin about auto cockers, and what makes them good, and why there called that and everything else.

Kingman27

09-14-2004, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by hybrid-sniper

Yeah whatever....:rolleyes:

Yeah whatever my arse..

thought you were cooler hybrid ;) :P

i can rip on my cocker, i dunno what all yous people are talkinbout :laugh: :eyepop: :pinocch:

amzng_spyderman

09-14-2004, 03:23 PM

it's correction, not criticism. you wouldn't want a bunch of false info, would you? if you want to be told what you want to hear, then i can say that cockers are far more accurate and have much greater range than any other marker because of their closed bolt design. or, i can tell you the truth, that cockers don't have anything over any other high end marker besides the insane amount of aftermarket parts and milling designs available for them. aside, of course, from the aspects that are better/worse based on the individual. and they're called autocockers because they were originally pump guns, modified to automatically cock themselves. hence, autococker. satisfied?

beaverbuddy

09-14-2004, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by hybrid-sniper

Yeah whatever....:rolleyes: Don't believe me. I don't really care. I know the truth.Originally posted by Downfall08

beaver, i've seen your vid and you were shooting nowhere near 11.

i completely agree with spydey. if i had known how much money and time i would have to put into my cocker to make it good i would have never bought it. That being said i reall like it a lot but if the chance ever came to sell for a decent amount i would do it in a heartbeat

I <3 trixes I'll get a pic of the red chrone. I have plenty of witnesses. I shot that video when I 1st got my cocker, and have learned to shoot faster. I'll try to get a vid soon.

SilentButDeadly

09-14-2004, 03:46 PM

Chrono's mean nothing. The only way to get your true rof is to use goldwave.

Kingman27

09-14-2004, 03:57 PM

wtf happened? that wasnt all I posted!! i quoted like 5 people and owned/explained stuff to them all!! wtf!! im not retyping it..everyone just pretend i owned them :P

'cept spydey and beavar..

Jeezer

09-14-2004, 04:02 PM

Did you own me?

Kingman27

09-14-2004, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by Kingman27
wtf happened? that wasnt all I posted!! i quoted like 5 people and owned/explained stuff to them all!! wtf!! im not retyping it..everyone just pretend i owned them :P

'cept spydey and beavar..
haha i just realized what i did! i had 2 windows open..one with the quote from the last person and one my whole post put togehter..i hit reply on the wrong one..ehheheh..
ok heres the whole thing i meant to say..(not really ownage but i want to get my point accorss)

Originally posted by amzng_spyderman
wow. kingman owned radishboy. today is a day to remember. 2k2 was the last year to put sliders on cockers stock, but halfway through the year wgp started giving out both sliders and hinge frames. of course, people opted for the metal hinge versus the plastic slider, and so the slider pretty much became extinct.
:D

Originally posted by radishboy
i'm tottaly aware that '02's were the last to have hinge frames...

...what i wasn't aware of, is that beaver had an '04. a common yet fatal mistake. that's what happens when you post half asleep in the school library.

regardless, i accept my defeat. kingman, i've underestimated you ever since...well actually i always have. but you caught me off gaurd. i bow to you now.

by the way, cherish the moment. it's not going to last.

:D

Originally posted by dog-of-Dislexia

No chance.

actually HUGE chance..i completely belive him..my cocker rips..Just get a trigger pull you like and fast cycling cocker, with a good hopper..and they can really go..

i can rip on my cocker, i dunno what all yous people are talkinbout :laugh: :eyepop: :pinocch:

Ghost2867

09-14-2004, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by ImprezaWRC
sure e-cockers can keep up with electros in speed, but when you look at the operating method, the e-cocker is inferior due to how impractical the design is compared to the comon sacked tube electro.
cockers came out waaay before any electros came out...in fact, they came out before anyone had likely even thought of associating electronics in paintball aside from the hopper.

impractical, maybe, but keep in mind that they were designed close to 15 years ago...and the fact that they're still a very popular marker as of now...yea.

and who cares if its "impractical"? if it works, and works well, why change it?

oh yea...and does anyone know the actual physical cycle cap of WGP's stock rams? and STO? and nexus? and whatever other popular ram? and with QEVs?

ive heard numbers varying enough to...yea.

hybrid-sniper

09-14-2004, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by Kingman27

Yeah whatever my arse..

thought you were cooler hybrid ;) :P

i can rip on my cocker, i dunno what all yous people are talkinbout :laugh: :eyepop: :pinocch:
:laugh: When i see proof i'll believe it, 11bps without short stroking is crazy, and with the stock trigger pull none the less.
Originally posted by beaverbuddy
Don't believe me. I don't really care. I know the truth.I'll get a pic of the red chrone. I have plenty of witnesses. I shot that video when I 1st got my cocker, and have learned to shoot faster. I'll try to get a vid soon.
Chronos are wrong a lot of the time, between battery power and just plain inaccuracy, i think its they measure the time in between balls going over the chrono and average it out to how many it would be in a second.
Sound clip would be more accurate.

Kingman27

09-14-2004, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by hybrid-sniper

:laugh: When i see proof i'll believe it, 11bps without short stroking is crazy, and with the stock trigger pull none the less.

actually, its not crazy..at all..it is very believable, and i doubt doubt that beaverbuddy did that one bit..

i can fan like 11..or at least i did with my wgp hinge, its good for fanning..my eclipse hinge is just got for secks i mean pulling regularly :D

its faaast though..Im getting a ff bullet 3way soon to replace my ct3way..because id rather have a smooth light pull than the short snappy hard pull i have right now..itll FLY :D

;) :P

now i just need to find an allen wrench that fits my blade adjustment screws..ive been searching since i got it like a month ago..2 full sets and a bunch of various ones and none fit :tup:

Jeezer

09-14-2004, 08:52 PM

I guess 11 bps is believable on a well done cocker, but anything over is pretty much bullox.

Ghost2867

09-14-2004, 09:57 PM

either i hit something that high (up and around 10), or my revvy farted, cause i outshot it...first it fired some blancs, then it pinched...

Cliche

09-15-2004, 08:58 AM

Cockers are extinct. They're not even the most upgradable marker any more.

SilentButDeadly

09-15-2004, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by Cliche
Cockers are extinct. They're not even the most upgradable marker any more.
What planet do you live on?:eyes:

Cockers are most definitely not extinct, at my field they're almost as common as Tippys. And what gun is more upgradeable than a 'cocker?

f2f4

09-15-2004, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by Cliche
Cockers are extinct. They're not even the most upgradable marker any more. Wow...just, wow.

Even if they're not the most upgradeble marker out there, they're still in the top three. And 'Cockers are not "extinct", at least not at my field.

amzng_spyderman

09-15-2004, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by Cliche
Cockers are extinct. They're not even the most upgradable marker any more.
worthy of the "funniest things newbs say" thread :tup:

beaverbuddy

09-15-2004, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by Ghost2867
either i hit something that high (up and around 10), or my revvy farted, cause i outshot it...first it fired some blancs, then it pinched... I frequently outshot my reloader. I don't care what anybody says. I can rip my cocker. I'm not going to try and prove you wrong, but believe me. It said 11. Want the whole story? Here it is. I was shooting 8-9 pretty good, then for about 4 seconds, I just had a burst of speed. As corny as it sounds, it's true.

PaintOnYourMask

09-15-2004, 06:16 PM

B.S. as in big stories. I say big stories because he would not shut up. He was like OMG i just shot 11bps at the chrono with my mech cocker!!!! The whole day hes was like YEAH 11 OMG 11!!!! So yeah i was there i saw the chrono it said 11 alright its no lie.

beaverbuddy

09-15-2004, 06:24 PM

:laugh: :laugh: I'm aiming for you next time buddy

Ghost2867

09-15-2004, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by Cliche
Cockers are extinct. They're not even the most upgradable marker any more.
:eyes:

i guess ur entitled to ur own opinion...

paintballfreeek

09-17-2004, 01:40 PM

http://www.paintball.org.vt.edu/msindex.html basically how they work blue indicates were the air is in the gun scroll down on the right columm and go to animations its at the bottom pretty much and click on WGP Autocockers

[Infusion]BigC

09-17-2004, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by beaverbuddy
I frequently outshot my reloader. I don't care what anybody says. I can rip my cocker. I'm not going to try and prove you wrong, but believe me. It said 11. Want the whole story? Here it is. I was shooting 8-9 pretty good, then for about 4 seconds, I just had a burst of speed. As corny as it sounds, it's true.

4 seconds is a VERY long time. You really shoot 44 times?

Not saying I don't believe you shot 11, just the 4 seconds seems... questionable.com

STO Balla 22

09-17-2004, 02:45 PM

When I had my STO... :( ...I ran a Ricochet AK on it. I dryfired a few times with the hopper about half full of paint, and yes, the AK was on.

Ghost2867

09-17-2004, 06:13 PM

thing is...my cocker isnt suction timed...i think it has a little bit of blowback, and we all know that hte feed rate of agitated hoppers(especially revvies) get inconsistant after a while...

so my guess is i was shooting at at least 8-9...but im gonna hold myself high and say i shot at 11...:D

gffbrl21

09-20-2004, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by radishboy

if by stock trigger pull you mean slide trigger, you're lying.

yo man idk what your talkin bout but dood sliders r teh fastest u can get with a cocker. hinge frames are slower. i mean joo can get an easy 8 bps with a hinge but a slider is soo much faste. i know people that can actually get 16 bps without trying on a slider frame.(teh red chrony does not lie)

f2f4

09-20-2004, 04:02 PM

Mweh?
Stop blathering, and type some semi-proper English, for God's (and my) sake. And while you're at it, try to state things that are true.

I'm sorry, but things like this really piss me off.

amzng_spyderman

09-20-2004, 04:54 PM

bildo

09-20-2004, 05:08 PM

Ghost2867

09-20-2004, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by gffbrl21

yo man idk what your talkin bout but dood sliders r teh fastest u can get with a cocker. hinge frames are slower. i mean joo can get an easy 8 bps with a hinge but a slider is soo much faste. i know people that can actually get 16 bps without trying on a slider frame.(teh red chrony does not lie)
ill try correcting u...instead of just saying "nope..." like everyone else...even tho i probably should just say that...

sliders can be as fast as a hinge, but it depends on the person...and what they prefer. a good hinge frame properly adjusted (with the cocker timed right and all), and a slider done the same, they'll be the same...u can get both pulls down to essentially the same thing.

so...hinge frames are NOT slower.

8bps is fast for any mech gun (that u cant walk). that's enough to make ur agitated loader burp if u keep that speed up for a long time.

16bps is hard for ppl to pull on electros walking, much less pulling with one finger...the fastest ive EVER pulled with one finger was 11, and that was on the mouse game...:rolleyes:

the chrono was lying to u.

in fact, the fastest ive ever heard of with a single trigger frame was on a heavily modded em1 where the guy hit around 13bps with heavy bounce.