Why are shutters dissed upon?

[Daniel]

Listen i have a Shutter and it performs awesome for me. I have no idea why everyone always puts them down. Yes, they are not great stock guns. But once you get a new expansion chamber and barrel on them they are badd @$$!!!!! come on now, really - what's so bad about them?

[Hsuve]

Heh... The problem? The problem is the expansion chamber itself being where it is. The damn thing is in front of the regulator, that totally defeats the purpose of it. Kingman just wanted another gimmick to put on their upgrades list, just like the Vizion bolt.

[Daniel]

yes the expansion chamber does blow, so does the barrel - the stock shutter is not that great - but w/ my expansion chamber and new barrel on it, it kicks *** man. They are GREAT guns w/ some upgrades from stock.

[TLplus84]

well even if you replaced the x chamber, the reg would still come before the x chamber, thus completely messing up the regulated air that goes into the gun...regulated air has to stay like that, but when the air enters the x chamber, it expands, and increases the pressure, thus defeating the purpose for a reg.

[Daniel]

seee that's why you take the whole thing off! then u say screw the reg. and the mini x chamber... and u have a good one :) like me :)

[Hsuve]

If you meant that it's better to take both the expansion chamber and regulator off and just buy a new expansion chamber, you're wrong. A regulator will do more for you than an expansion chamber. A regulator will regulate the pressure that goes into your gun, thus you have the approximate pressure shooting each time giving you more consistency.

[Daniel]

here hsuve this is what it says about what i got -

Get Tournament Level Performance from your Co2 Tank
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The Core Co2 performance regulator is the most innovative and feature loaded Co2 Improvement System (CIS) on the market today. This setup is superior to all others on the market due to its unique 2 stage system. The first stage is the Thermal Exchange Unit. In the first stage the Co2 is converted from a liquid to a gaseous form by using a fin design to transfer heat from outside of the chamber. In the second Regulator stage you can control the operating pressure being put into your marker for pressure optimization. The Regulator is fully adjustable, and unlike other regulators on the market, the gauge measures the actual delivery pressure into the gun, not meaningless tank pressure. For more information on this product please click on the link below.

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100% No Freeze Thermal Expansion Chamber uses fins to bring heat from outside to change the ambient temperature of the liquid resulting in a gas form of Co2. This design allows you to use an expansion chamber that is significantly smaller than before. Equivalent to a 11 stage expansion chamber.
Fully Adjustable Regulator that measures input pressure or "regulated air" as opposed to tank pressure.
All Parts Included! You'll get a custom fit to your marker, because we include all necessary parts and fittings.
(gun sold separately)

[Dräko]

Problems with the shutter

1. Messed up Threads.
2. Wacked out Dirt Attractor bolt (aka zebra bolt)
3. 100$ for for some VERy small milling and somew ano.

Now you could make a list like this for almost any gun. There is no perfect gun. If you want a flashy gun thats fine, but it leaves room to be dissed upon...lightly

[Daniel]

WELLL I LOVE MY SHUTTER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hsuve]

Daniel: Do you live in Oregon? It's strange to see anybody look at my local store's site, IMO, they suck. By the way, DO NOT buy their crappy little reg. It's not that great, for the money of it, you could get a Male Palmer Stabilizer AND pay for the shipping cost and perhaps have a little more in reserve.

[Daniel]

lol no - i was just lookin around lol - i am from nashville tennessee

[spacer709]

i like my shutter, and im getting a new reg to replace the "gas thru grip" and old reg, that will help a lot, but i dont care what yall say, i like it a lot

[Daniel]

all i want for it now is some new grips. But i haven't been able to find them around here (not many stores or fields) does anyone suggest just going on and buying them online - and are they all that worth it?

[spacer709]

i have some blue dye stickies, and i bought all of my paintball equipment online, its great. And YES, grips, especially the dye stickies, are very important improvements.

[ptflyer]

the TL PLUS is 158.99
the SHUTTER is 213.99...

now my math sucks....but even I know thats not 100.00 more...



so give it a rest.....
and if you use N2 with it...just the way it comes...the regulator works great....and the "x chamber" is just a gas through...


If you look at the new Xtra by kingman.....they call it a gas through not an x chamber....

spyders get trashed by most people who use other markers....the SHUTTER gets trashed by EVERONE....except us that use them....we all seem to like them...what's that tell you?.....

[Dräko]

I won a piranha, and the truth is there jut jealous they dont have a spyder. Right now i am amzingly happy with my gun choice but i can tell you the first maybe 6 months i always really wished i had a shutter, so really the only people who are gonna be dissing on shutters are people that arent satisfied with their guns, or noobs with lots of $ who can buy cockers

[Daniel]

well said :)

[Paintball Monkey]

My opinion on the shutter. The gun itself isn't bad, and Kingman's marketing is great. The only problem I see is the price. The shutter is barely different than the stock spyder compact. In my opinion, the reg is useless, the gas thru/expansion chamber/foregrip is useless, and the rest is just cosmetics. Don't take it the wrong way though. If you love the gun and you get eliminations with it then GREAT! I am glad you are happy with it. From my point of view, though, I can't justify the extra cash for the Shutter when a stock compact will give me the same performance...

[Hsuve]

Will the stereotyping ever end?!? Damn, do you guys really think 'Cocker owners are all snobs? No! They aren't! I know this one guy with a Bob Long 'Cocker (Pretty damn rare), it's worth about $1200. He's a real polite guy. People who diss on Shutters are the ones that know the fault and don't know how to keep their mouths shut. The reason for using N2 to keep the regulation messed up is because N2 doesn't expand, thus the gas won't be affected by the expansion chamber part. Just a little FYI...

As for the Spyder Xtra, it may or may not be a mini expansion chamber. Looks the same as the one on the TL+ and Shutter... Ok, I'm a Spyder owner and don't particularily like Piranhas, however, I know for a fact that they're no different performance wise. Don't diss them. Having a Piranha then saying you wanted a Spyder is pretty damn stupid. Why?!? Have you noticed yet that they're both stacked tube blowbacks? Have you noticed that they both use main springs, valves, valve pin assemblies, springs, bolts, barrels, vertical adapters, ASAs, etc.? You won't get better performance out of a Spyder then you will with a Piranha, but you won't get better performance out of a Piranha then you will with a Spyder either. Even 'Cockers won't be better than Spyders, Piranhas, Model 98s, etc. Why would they be? They can't shoot farther, they jam just as bad sometimes, timing can be a pain in the *** (from what I know), and shortstroking is a pretty known problem with them. Sure, the new 2k and 2k1 'Cockers got the STO trigger, however, with a nice trigger job, you can shorten a Spyder's (Probably works the same with Piranhas, dunno about Model 98s though...) to 2/16. And that's measured on the bottem of the second trigger (second trigger meaning the one on the bottem of the double trigger). If I was using a single trigger Spyder, measuring it from the bottem of the trigger would probably give me an even shorter pull (but actually wouldn't be if you added a double trigger).

[Witt]

Word Up dude. Shutters are always getting dissed...i personally think they rule:):)

[Joel Timberlake]

Originally posted by Witt
Word Up dude. Shutters are always getting dissed...i personally think they rule:):)

Because of the " Nice " ano job?

[Witt]

No not because of the ano job. If you do not own a gun then you cannot judge it for its performance and its posibilities

[Hsuve]

Yes, Shutters do have nice anodizing jobs. I personally think they're great, real shiny and glossy. Also, I do have to say that the TL+ is better than the Shutter. Why you ask? Because the Shutter's regulator ain't that great and for the money and it takes to buy the Shutter over the TL+, you could get a better regulator. Also, there ain't no gaping hole by the side in which you cannot cover on the TL+.

[Dräko]

Originally posted by Hsuve
Just a little FYI...

Ok, I'm a Spyder owner and don't particularily like Piranhas, however, I know for a fact that they're no different performance wise. Don't diss them. Having a Piranha then saying you wanted a Spyder is pretty damn stupid. Why?!? Have you noticed yet that they're both stacked tube blowbacks? Have you noticed that they both use main springs, valves, valve pin assemblies, springs, bolts, barrels, vertical adapters, ASAs, etc.? You won't get better performance out of a Spyder then you will with a Piranha, but you won't get better performance out of a Piranha then you will with a Spyder ).


Them is fightin words

[ptflyer]

Originally posted by Hsuve
Also, there ain't no gaping hole by the side in which you cannot cover on the TL+.


Have you ever seen any milled Cocker.....or spyders for that matter....(and they spend a fortune to get that done).........check the pics post.....(Hint...don't rub your gun in the dirt and you should have no problem......)

And what about the side cocking spyders..they have slots in them on the STRIKER tube.......

so IMO that statemant says NOTHING about the shutter....

[Joel Timberlake]

Originally posted by Witt
No not because of the ano job. If you do not own a gun then you cannot judge it for its performance and its posibilities

All I am trying to say is that I think they are a little overrated. I think the TL+ is the best Spyder gun.

[Hsuve]

ptflyer: Yes, I've seen milled 'Cockers and milled Spyders, however, I still have to say that the hole is really pointless and stupid. Yes, you can get dirt in it, no, there's no way to cover the hole. On any side cocking Spyder, you can get dirt in it, yes. However, it's much harder seeing as once the gun's cocked there's little space behind the striker, but there's still that chance. That's why some people go rear cocking and cover up the slot. Also, the Shutter's stock bolt's got those Vizion holes in the bolt, if dirt gets in there and you fire, that'll distribute the dirt around. If you get an AKALMP Lightning bolt and attatch a 'Cocker cocking rod, now there's a LOT of space for dirt to go around. Back to the milling subject now. Yes, people put fish gills and such at the top of the body that allows dirt to get in, however, it looks good. I'm sure that if we took a poll, we'd agree that the very little milling Kingman did to the side of some of the Spyders (TL+, Shutters, some SEs, etc.) is hella better than just putting a large hole in the side. If you ever want to mill your Shutter's body, it might look pretty ugly if you try to put fish gills up on top, because if you cut into the Vizion area, well, you know...

[Witt]

I think that maybe getting a gun milled is stupid.

[Hsuve]

Nah, milling's still good. If you do it well, milling can make your gun REALLY stand out. Ever seen Ripper milling? Personally I don't like it, but everyone else that's seen it seems to love the way it looks. No holes made into the body either.

[Witt]

I think getting your gun milled is Stupid.

[TLplus84]

oh yeah? well i thin YOu'RE STUPID~!! :D

[PBSouLjAh]

milling and anodizing is for people dat love da "cosmetic" aspect of paintball...including me. i u had a choice between 2 $200 guns with the EXACT same performance, except one was a brown ***** shaped thing, while da other looked like an automag RT.......i think u'd go wit da rt looking one. people dat love their guns and like to stand out and have their own custom gun like no other..get their guns ano'd and milled. i think da ripple milling is soooooo awesome...kinda weird...but tyte.

[TLplus84]

MAN WHat is it with you and ***** shaped objects??? :eek: