Is Ancient Innovations [the Q-Loader people] a bunch of morons?

[teufelhunden]

http://www.pbreview.com/ads/images/1094937785179.gif

That's an ad I see all over PBR, just like you. Watch at the top. It advertises that it's 36% faster than a Halo and 58% faster than an Egg. OK, fine. But then look at the pictures. A 98C. With a remote line. I don't know about you guys, but that isn't what I think of when I think speed.


Although it does show discount for PBRers, so I guess the pictures work with that.

[Sniper15]

Personally, I would never use a Q-loader. It's an interesting concept, and I geuss it works, but I don't like the whole "pod" idea, and I think it would through the weight of the gun way off. And yes, a Q-loader is extreme overkill for a 98 Custom IMO.

[nerdcore]

probably trying to appeal to newbs. you know how they like having the crap with the most hype.

luckily, we know better.

[Ultran00b]

Gee, you mean that phat 1337 hopper won't somehow turn a tippy milsim mech into an 20 pbs marker?

NOWAY!!
:crazy:

[Rebel2002]

By putting it on a long *** tippy it gives the illusion thats it's not so long and awkward.

[dog-of-Dislexia]

I've wondered that myself. Ah the mysteries of the universe.

[GranDream]

Unless the PBR discount is 100%, I don't think I'll be getting one.

[Cliche]

Since so many people here shoot low-end guns, it kind of makes sense.

It still insults me.

[vasmir]

It does an alright job of taking the hopper of the top of the marker, but I dont like it becuase you can't fire while re-loading.

[chaunce]

The q-loader is awesome. They show it on the tippmann because for some people that is a good setup. Incase you havent noticed, the paintball population consists mostly of scenerio players and most scenerio players use tippmann.

Just because you do not like the advirtisement does not mean that somthing sucks.

The q-loader also has a life time warrant, somthing that no other loader has on the market.

If you go to their website they have a lot of pictures of it mounted on high end markers, and also videos of an e-mag shooting 31bps.

[STO Balla 22]

The warranty and everything is great, but when it comes down to it they're too expensive, and the negative effects outweigh the positive effects. But that's just my opinion.

[dog-of-Dislexia]

If the 'super-pods' or whatever they're called didn't cost $20+ then maybe I'd try one.

[chaunce]

They cost 20 but once you buy them you are good to go. Like I said earlier, it has a life time warranty.

The systems are just as cheap to buy as the halo, and It will out perform a halo.

[STO Balla 22]

They're not cheap to buy if you're a back player and need 4+ pods. Plus, I heard they take awhile to load, so you would need extras for tournaments.

[chaunce]

Yea, I would not recomend them for back players who are shooting more than 900 rounds a game.

For the mid or front man the q-loader is awesome. The low profile is really nice and you don't have to worry about chopping a ball because it feeds so fast and consistant.

[spyder freek]

Originally posted by GranDream
Unless the PBR discount is 100%, I don't think I'll be getting one.



same here, i just got me a Eggy 2 with z for 30 bucks, needs a new shell tho, but heck thats only 10 bucks, so its still a good deal for a pretty fast hopper

[chaunce]

I guess the real difference is that the q-loader does not use batteries. so the cost of a halo plus batteries all of the time adds up.

It is probably a wash in the end.

[teufelhunden]

chaunce, I didn't attack the product at all yet so no need to get defensive.



Let's go through what you said;

Speed: Out of the people who are on their knees for the Q's speed, I bet only a handful of them outshoot Evo2's or Halos.

Low profile: Not on a vert feed gun. Look at the Tippmanns pictured above. See the hose sticking up? Not that much lower profile than a hopper. And while the vertical profile may have slightly decreased, the horizontal profile doubled.

Chopping: Not a big deal on any decent gun. Why? Eyes/LX/Low cocking pressure/Other anti-chop.


And here's my look at it:

Markers are built to be balanced with a loader on top, not with a pod glued to the side/tank/barrel/where ever else you can stick it.

$20+ for something most people need 6 or 7 of is expensive as hell.

No shoot while reload=may as well sit on the toliet while you reload, you're useless and a nice target that can't fire back.
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I've got to go to a review session for my calc. test. Search my posts for what else I have to say.

[chaunce]

teufelhunden,

1. I am not defensive. I am sharing my point of view.

2. The speed is an added bonus.

3. The profile is dramatically reduced even on a vertical feed marker. Take the diameter of the hopper, and take the diameter of the tube. It is way more than 60% less profile. And the q-loader does not have to be mounted on the side, it can be above your air tank wich equals even less profile.

4. If you pay 125.95 the system comes with 5 q-pods. The halo is at least 125.00 and in some stores it's more. and you are going to have to buy batteries when they go dead, and if the shell breaks, you may have to pay to replace it.

You can not accurately shoot while loading a halo. And switching out a q-pod is incredably fast. It is a 1/4 turn and the new pod goes in.

Once again I am not trying to say that the q-loader is for everyone. I just want the facts to be strait if people are going to post about it. Most people post things that they have no idea what they are talking about or the facts are way off.

[STO Balla 22]

The halo is at least 125.00
No, they haven't cost that much in awhile now. In fact, Paintball Gear sells them for $110, and I know you can get them for cheaper than that.
And the q-loader does not have to be mounted on the side, it can be above your air tank wich equals even less profile.
But then you have a nice big hose going around your gun, which can make shooting awkward.
You can not accurately shoot while loading a halo
I beg to differ from experience. Snap shooting while loading is stupid, but I've seen plenty of players get someone out that was trying to bunker them while they were reloading. That's definitely an added bonus.

[Downfall08]

chaunce.

1. its added speed but you dont need it. If your outshooting your halo you can just buy a victory board. a lot less money

2. you need to shoot while reloading. If your a back player and get caught while reloading it could be havoc for your team. Also its quite easy to shoot accurately while your reloading as long as your not snapshooting or anything

3. well there is no 3. STO covered what i was gonna say

[chaunce]

Halo B with rip drive, 139.98 Empire reloader b 149.88 in the pb2x magazine. 1888paintball.

You can get the cheap halo for 110.00 and you can also get a q-loader starter system for 79.95.

You can have a big hopper on your marker which can make shooting akward and you could get hit in it an loose the game.

Also, there is still balls in the feed tube so you can still shoot while reloading if you have to.

It just comes down to what you like.

[Canadia_PBaller]

I've gone through alot of pods. Between them getting stolen, stepping on them, cracking, breaking etc. If I had to pay $25 for a pod I'd be broke as hell. My Dye pods are exspensive enough.......but like $35 CDN for a Q-Pod? That's just retarted.

[STO Balla 22]

q-loader starter system for 79.95.
Which only comes with what you need if you're strictly a rec player, which you probably aren't if you need that extra speed. If you're playing tourneys, you will need more pods. Period.
You can have a big hopper on your marker which can make shooting akward
Having a tube on the side of your gun is more awkward, you have to move your wrist over and it's still unbalanced. If it's in the front, it makes it unbalanced, which puts a ton of stress on your arms. If it's by your tank, you have to move your wrist around the tube, if you go around it you have your wrist sticking out, if you go through it crossing up becomes a total pain. Having your hopper in the top middle keeps the weight in the middle, but with the Q loader the weight is either all in the back, front, or one side, which is much more awkward.

[chaunce]

I am curious to know if you have ever really used a q-loader. I have an IR3 and with the q-loader mounted under the barrel and my air tank on back the q-loader is perfectly balanced.

The q-loader to me is really not akward at all. All of those possitions I have tried and liked.

[STO Balla 22]

I haven't used one, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what would be awkward about one.

[chaunce]

I didn't think so.

It is not akward at all.

[arson51]

depends on where its put. if you put it verticaly from the gun body it may get in the way. if you put in over the tank it will be hard to reload. if you put it facing forward. it will be perfect, out of the way and ergonmicaly easy to reload. i bought a Q, but since i have an E mag i had to mount it under the grip facing forward. so it was akward for me in that case, i switched back to my warp, which was much less akward ;)

[robdamanii]

Originally posted by chaunce
The q-loader is awesome. They show it on the tippmann because for some people that is a good setup. Incase you havent noticed, the paintball population consists mostly of scenerio players and most scenerio players use tippmann.

Just because you do not like the advirtisement does not mean that somthing sucks.

The q-loader also has a life time warrant, somthing that no other loader has on the market.

If you go to their website they have a lot of pictures of it mounted on high end markers, and also videos of an e-mag shooting 31bps.

Wrong, the vast majority, about 80% are REC players, not hardcore scenario players or tourney players.

[Caleb98]

I spit on it. *proceeds to spit*

It's a cool idea that didn't get enough ideas to make it awesome.
No batteries. Awesome!
akwardness. SuckY!
feeds fast. Awesome!
expensive. Sucky.
out of the way. Awesome!
Akward loading, *** pods. Sucky!

See? If they could iron out the bugs it would rock!

[Cliche]

Anyone else never been hit in the hopper?

[chaunce]

Lots of times.

[Cliche]

Then it sounds like you're the problem, not your hopper.

[chaunce]

Any one who plays a lot gets hit in the hopper.

I am sure that you are one of those players who never gets hit though.

[teufelhunden]

Originally posted by chaunce
Any one who plays a lot gets hit in the hopper.

I am sure that you are one of those players who never gets hit though.

Haven't been hit in the hopper in way that if the hopper wasn't there I wouldn't get hit in the face. At least not since I learned how to ball.

[chaunce]

Yea, I am sure that you guys are the best in the world.

[STO Balla 22]

If you get hit in the hopper a lot, you need to spend money working on your skills, not buying a new loader. There's a new, easy to use method of not getting hit in the hopper. Just tilt your gun a little, and the hopper will be behind the bunker. :tup:

[teufelhunden]

Originally posted by chaunce
Yea, I am sure that you guys are the best in the world.

No, we're technically sound.

[Magpi]

I dont own one, nor ever shot with one, but what happens when the Q-loader runs out of balls? Chaunce you say that there are still more in the tube, while that is true, without the Q pushing other balls into the tube, the ones in the tube wont move. So when youve fired the last tube, depending upon where the Q is setup, you can have up to twenty balls in the pipe. Unless youre gonna tilt your marker before every shot, or keep it tilited for trigger walking, it seems to not be reasonable. But I know people who swear by it, and there is apparently a vast amount of people who think like me. And yes I appologize for bringing back a thread peopel are trying to kill, but I had to get my two cents in.:P

[10-brink]

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