Flex ize or Proteous or V force

[rios_creos]

which of these should i get,

i've seen the proteous for 49 and teh flex for 39 but i don't know if it comes with the extra lens at paintball gear so please reply fast, i need to know by tomorrow


thanks:)

[Pookister569]

the v-forces have anti fog lenses, so they wont last that long. i'd say stick with the jts.

[rios]

yeah, the v-force looks exactly like the brass eagle max vision which my friend has and its actually pretty good except the fog stuff wore off after 6 months

do you or anyone else know which i should get out of the jts, i need to know soon cause my mom--excuse me 'santa clause' is going to get me one also is the fan on the proteous really needed or will i be ok without it, keep in mind i'm probably not gonna make my own or buy one later

thanks:D

[Pookister569]

i've got the flex ize and the fan isn't really needed, and the proteous is suppose to be better so i'm guessing u won't really need one.

[Puddleglum]

The Protues is really really small. It lowers your profile dramacitally. But you really can get bounces with the Flex 7. Its up to you, both are great masks.

[rios_creos]

i take it for granted that the proteous being smaller is a good thing?

also please keep the details coming, i wanna hear from people who have both masks and i wanna know if the proteous is worth it

please reply

oh yeah, :D i got my all american stainless steel today, its ******:D makes my guns silent (rebel deluxe)

[ahhh_the_madnes]

i have a flex ize 7 and its a great mask.. I get a lot of bouncers of of the soft part and they look really good. It hasnt fogged up on me yet. My freind has a proteus and we both like our masks the same. I would go for the one thats cheaper since they are equally good.

[P.A.]

the thing about the proteus that is reall good is that it was built around the concept of communication, you get no "talk back" from your voice bouncing back and it has excellent hearhing. however the flex 7 is better i think, they are built off of the exact same lens frame so if you get a flex and put soft ear pads on, it will actualy have a much smaller profile than the proteus, and the soft ear pads with give you the hearing capabilities of a proteus. and if you curl up the flexy part a little like you will see many players do, you dont get talk back, also curling this makes it deflect balls better because if it hits it it will kinda throw the ball. and besides chind shot dont hurt, lip/teeth shots do, and this will keep then from happening. finally the visor on the proteus it HUGE, i see players with their visors a good inch above their head, bad idea, the flex visors are much lower profile. all thing considered not only is the proteus not wirth it, the flex is actually better.

-PA

p.s. at www.paintballgeeks.com their flex 7 ize's come with a prism thermal lens and an extra clear thermal for 39.99

[rios_creos]

thanks for replying:) i need more input cause i don't wanna make the wrong choice

also i've heard rumors about how the lense on the proteous is MUCH easier to remove than the ize but reply to correct me if i'm wrong

and keep in mind i will be playing mostly woods in hot humid central florida, and occasionally i'll go to fields in central florida as well, but most fields around here have trees anyway

please i don't wanna screw up when picking the mask

and also some people say once you take the visor off of the flex you can't get it back on, and i will have to to change the lens right? i will mostly use the clear lense cause my woods is pretty dense and dark


thanks please i need much more replies but thanks to those who already have:wave:

[rios_creos]

and i forgot, if you reccomend the proteous or the ize for that matter, do i REALLY NEED a fan? thanks:)

[rios_creos]

come on people, please post more replies, the first ones were great but i don't want this thread to die until i get a fair opinion on the best one for me

i live in florida remember

[Pookister569]

the flex is very nice and u get bounces but if u don't wanna get shot on the chin or something like that i wouldn't get it.

[surrenderordie]

i am getting a morph. They put a pair in a shower and they didnt fog for fifteen min. I would like to see your Flex 7s do that. Also they shot 3 point blank shots at the bottom of the lens (not that it would ever actually happen but). Almost no paint got in. Flex 7 or Proteus do that. I think they are good goggles and are worth a try. They also have crystal clear distortion free lenses. Plus easy out lenses means easier to clean means if you get gogged clearer lenses after. This is all my opinion.

[rios_creos]

thanks for replying dude, but if i really really wanted to get a v-force, i'd probably just either get the cheap one they have or just be a BE max vision cause they look identical, plus its all hard.

one question to all you flex ize owners, how soft is the lower part, is it as soft as the one on the brass eagle deluxe cause i have it and its way way too soft and i don't want the ize if its that soft

[surrenderordie]

Dont get brass eagles version of the Shield. It breaks. I have heard horror stories of these breaking. I would just get the shield. The bottom of the flex 7s is really soft.

[rios_creos]

i don't see many people supporting the proteous, and thats the one i'm leaning to most right now, i think i read somewhere that they tested the mask (not google) part of the mask at twice the normal paintball guns speeds (300 X 2 = 600 fps) and it didn't break. or that could've been a different one.

please lets see more people posting

[surrenderordie]

I was going to get the Proteus but i like the distortion free lenses on the Morph plus i dont want to have to take out the lenses on the Proteus.

[rios_creos]

but the proteous looks sooooo cooooooollll.
and the hearing is supposed to be better, plus the rotating thingy's look cool and it'd be a big help in the woods.

and i don't know if this makes a difference but i've decided i'm going to make a fan outta a pc fan so fogging shouldn't be as bad.

and i don't wanna have to buy a new lense for the v-force like ever 10 months because the anti fog crap wears out, and i've heard theres no room for a fan.

[surrenderordie]

You shouldnt have to replace the lenses until you scratch them. Like i said dont get the BE version it is just crap.

[rios_creos]

ok, heres the deal.
i have until WEDNESDAY to choose my mask and that is teh last day my mom is going to wait til i order.

SO I NEED LOTS OF INPUT FOR THE NEXT 3 DAYS!

also i just checked out the DYE invision and it looks pretty cool


but mostly i'm looking for a mask that i'll be able to use for years to come and won't need any replacing and won't be made fun of for using.

please give input on which is best (not which you THINK is best),

flex ize 7, dye invision, proteous, or v-force shield (or morph)


please more people, help a fellow indecisive paintballer in need!:(

[surrenderordie]

My vote goes to the morph. I think thay are the best.

[rios_creos]

surrendor, your the only person supporting the v force, but then again your the only person supporting anything

IF i was to get a v-force, which one is the BEST, and list them in descending order (best to worst).

and also please i need much more input, i've noticed not many people come to the mask forum.

i don't know which mask to get and i've got 2 more days (today is monday i need to know by wedsnesday) and so far i'm basically just comparing their reviews.

also i read that the v-force morph is a a soft mask, and how soft is it, i'd rather have an elimination because of a break then just to have it hurt like a ***** and call myself out without knowing.

also how easy is it to take out the v-force lens, and how much are replacement ones, and do they make REAL thermal lenses for the v force?

i guess i MIGHT be getting a v-force, because they've got really good reviews.


and lastly, whichever mask you support, give me the website with the cheapest prices.


THANKS A LOT TO ALL WHO REPLIED.:)

[surrenderordie]

OK.
One if you dont want a soft mask get the shield.

Two It took a guy 5 seconds to take out the lens and put in a new one. The new lenses cost about twenty dollars. No they do not make thermal lenses for them.

Three I read that a guy had just gotten some. He was down in florida and his Flex 7s kept fogging so he tried his Morphs and they did no tfog. He was at the Time Gate scenario.

V-force list would go
1.Morph
2.Shield
3.Armor

1 and 2 depend on if you want your gun super close and possibly bounce balls or not.

[rios_creos]

thanks for replying, i've seen the shield for 30 bucks and teh morph for 64, are they the EXACT same thing except for the soft part on the morph, or does the morph have better vision or whatnot. because damn, you could get 2 shields for the price of 1 morph.

oh and please check out my other thread entitled, "ahhhh the decisions.....

and vote for the BEST MASK out of my options,

but seriously, i don't know, right now its either shield or proteous, do you really think the shield is better?

also IMHO i think the shield looks.....i don't know....cheap?

its just too simple if you ask me.

the price is right, but i have the choice of any mask available.

[surrenderordie]

1stshotpaintball.com has shields for 29.99 and no there is no difference in vision. It is the same exact mask just the morph looks less cheap and has a rubber bottom. I agree they do look cheap but they arent.

[P.A.]

honestly, read my other post, now slap your self for thinking about anyting else. buy the flex 7 and the soft ear peices, its the lowest profile you cant get, you get goo bounces, and those lenses dont fog, they just dont, i have never have one event remotely fog, ever, and i dont even have the fan. now go buy it HURRY!

[rios_creos]

i don't think i wanna flex because i havn't even got hit in the face yet so i don't really need bounces.

check out my other thread and reply there cause ima close this one:finger:

[rios_creos]

i've started to read alot of reviews for the v-force shield and the proteous.


these are facts (statements) that i've gathered PLEASE CORRECT ANY OF THESE IF THEY ARE INCORRECT. thanks


proteous- much much smaller profile=less hits=no need to take out lens to clean, can accept fans, has full line of accessories, lens are very easy to find and can be changed fairly easily if your at home, doesn't fog-period, rotating ear pieces allow for much easier hearing, new design means no talk-back.

v-force armor- much much easier to change lenses=can be changed between games or even during a game if you play reinsertion games, barely fogs, must bigger profile than proteous=more possible chances to get hit=more gog hits=need to replace lens sooner, lens are anti fog and eventually wear off even if you never get gogged, the part of the mask by your mouth looks like if you get tagged there you'll eat paint like its syrup.

as you can see the list for teh proteous is more good than bad and its the opposite for the v-force. now i havn't tried either of these so this is based solely on reviews and me looking at the pictures.



please help, tomorrow is my last day to decide and order.

and once you pick the mask you want me to go for (or think i should go for) give me the website with the cheapest prices.


go to my other thread, entitled Ahhh! the decisions.....

[beatstanfurd]

I got the Vforce Shields rental version, and could not have hoped for a better mask. The foam inside is closed foam unlike the open foam on the non rental version. The $30 price that you have found are for the rental version. The standard version goes for more. Great mask. Love how the lens can be taken out real fast and easy for cleaning between rounds. Don't get the armors. For $10 more just get the shields. I personally like the extra protection that the shields provide over the morphs. My neck is a magnet for hot shots up close. :(

If you want the flex, I believe that www.paintball-online.com has limited colors for $29.99.

[compadre7]

You're comparing a V-Force Armor (rental mask) to a Proteus (tournament mask)? Take a look at V-Force's tournament mask -

V-Force Morph - Rubber on bottom of mask resulting in bounces. It also holds it's shape unlike the flex 7's. It has NO distortion. I have an armor, and I tried a proteus on, and man, I felt like I was wearing somebodies glasses. YES, it's that clear. As for the fogging issue, see the article below. The Morph's lens can be removed just like... that. The Proteus lens removal can get ugly. Here's an article from the vforce site -

"Who is VFORCE? What is VFORCE? Leader? Brass Eagle? JT? Everything but the kitchen sink? Don't believe the hype. Get the facts straight from the source.

Well, let's start from the top. VFORCE is a new player in the paintball industry that is committed to developing premium vision systems for players who want an edge during the most intense game situations. In order to deliver the innovation and performance desired by the best paintballers in the world, VFORCE has partnered with industry-leader DiabloDirect to get it done right.

The rumors begin when people, usually those with vested competitive interests, imply that VFORCE vision systems are identical to Brass Eagle masks. In truth, the tie, if you can call it that, that binds these two players is actually Leader - world-renowned manufacturer and specialist in optics. Until recently, Leader manufactured the Extreme Pro and Maxx Vision masks for Brass Eagle based on BE's specs. Following Brass Eagle's recent acquisition of JT, their strategic alliance with Leader has in effect desisted. In fact, BE's much talked about acquisition of JT has triggered a number of changes in the paintball industry:

The formal Brass Eagle / Leader partnership has been terminated.
JT now operates under the Brass Eagle umbrella.
VFORCE has emerged as a distinct new brand with Leader as its optical manufacturer.
DiabloDirect is partnering with VFORCE to collaborate on product development and to act as their exclusive distributor.
VFORCE - a new standard emerges

So, while arguably there are some obvious similarities between the look of former Brass Eagle masks and the new VFORCE line-up, the comparisons end there. VFORCE is firmly driving the development of all vision systems that bear its name. As such, these products are developed to meet the VFORCE vision, VFORCE specs and VFORCE quality standards. The results are already there for everyone to see:

VFORCE lenses are distortion free because they are produced with a diamond turned injection mold to ensure optical precision throughout the entire surface of the lens. This new Diamond-X technology provides our vision systems with a significant edge.

The Morph vision system is also unique to VFORCE. It was specially designed to incorporate an overmolded, soft-flex shell for a biomorphic fit that maximizes comfort and performance (i.e. bounce). It also comes standard with a sun visor and an all-new frame / lens finishes. The Morph meets the standard of the pros.

VFORCE has invested in a new, propriety anti-fog treatment that makes a real difference without any of the drawbacks commonly associated to thermal lens (i.e. distortion and poor durability).
The endorsement VFORCE received at World Cup 2000 in Orlando - members of Team Image, Team Strange, Live Wire and the SabreWolves wore our masks when it mattered most - testifies to the excellence already associated to the brand. Of course, having DiabloDirect, an industry-leading and highly respected player in paintball, agree to become our exclusive distributor in North America also speaks volume about the belief and support behind VFORCE.

Judge for yourself

In the end, we believe the market is best placed to be the ultimate judge of products such as the Alpha, N Vader and Terminator that were put out following Brass Eagle's buy-out of JT. However, when it comes to VFORCE, it is important for us to set the record straight.

VFORCE is a new brand that is firmly committed to the serious paintballer. VFORCE has defined its own vision and is ready to deliver it with attitude and to back it up with substance. Our pipeline is filled with bold new ideas and initiatives that are sure to get players hyped. When a fraction of a second is the difference between holding the flag and holding your head down, VFORCE is what you want."

I'd reccomend Vforce. Also, check out these reviews -

http://www.paintballstar.com/vforgoglin.html

http://www.paintballchannel.com/article.php?sid=28

Here's a site that has the Morph for 71.50 -
http://www.piratepaintball.com/vforce.html

And here's a site that has the more stylish Morph Mirror
http://www.actionvillage.com/paintball-goggles-and-safety-gear-goggles-v-force-goggles.html

Buy it once right, or buy it twice wrong ;)

[beatstanfurd]

I was saying the shields not the armors.

[surrenderordie]

The profile has nothing to do with how many times you have to clean the LENS.

[rios_creos]

i have under 3 hours to order, i have found the proteous at paintballwizards for 40 dollars, i'm starting to realize its dropping in price everywhere i look, its even less than the old spectra

i am probably gonna get the v-force shield (black or whatevers cheapest) for around 30 bucks and use the money left over to help pay for a drop forward (probably psycho ballastics, where can i find one? besides 888)


BUT i am not getting a v force unless within the next 3 hours i find at least 1 place that sells replacement lenses, so please reply and tell me where to find them.



however, the poll on my other thread states that most people think i should get the proteous

but i guess i'll probably go for the v-force shield- i hope i don't regret it because i'm not paying a penny and i can get any mask i want. (don't want the morph cause of the soft ****)

:confused: :)

[compadre7]

Many people vote for the proteus I assume because they WERE the industry standard. They held the monopoly. It's the big name. Now there are a few competetors that I believe make superior products.

Here's your replacement lense link -
http://www.actionvillage.com/020-9030.html
http://www.actionvillage.com/020-9030-1.html

I think the Morph lenses are the same as the shield's, so those should work.

[beatstanfurd]

Originally posted by rios_creos
BUT i am not getting a v force unless within the next 3 hours i find at least 1 place that sells replacement lenses, so please reply and tell me where to find them.


http://www.dropzonepaintball.com/html/vforce_masks.html

[surrenderordie]

Here for 29.99 Shields(black) (http://1stshotpaintball.com/diabvecshiel.html)

[rios_creos]

i just found out that a v force shield is a 7 bucks more than the proteous :drop: holy crap, i thought the shield was 30 bucks but the least i've found the non rental version for is 47 bucks and the proteous i've seen for 39.


its only a matter of time

please help i don't wanna feel stupid after buying a shield and finding out a proteous is better or vice versa

[old68]

I have a shield coming in tha mail if that helps any.

[compadre7]

Shield vs. Proteus

Wanna stand out and automatically be recognized? Get the Proteus. Wanna have JT imprinted on your mask? Wanna have a fan sooner or later in your mask (of course, they had to develop one because they couldn't make their lenses better :P )? Get a Proteus.

Do you want to stand out and people say, "What's that he's got?" Do you want to have something different, that has an optically correct lense? Do you want to have a lense that you can easily remove, in like, 6 seconds? From what I hear, I don't even want to try removing a JT lense. Do you want to have a secure headstrap, neck guard, etc.? Check out this picture -

http://www.vforcepaintball.com/home/index.shtml

Do you like the way those Morph's look (since they are the same form as the shield)?

GET THE VFORCE SHIELD.

[ahhh_the_madnes]

OH MY GOD!!!

Why is there a debate~!?!? Get the PROTEUS!!!!

Spell it will me.. P-R-O-T-E-U-S

You will have to upgrade your mask sooner or later anyways because you will later realize that Vforce line sucks.. Do it now! For such a low price too!!!

Woopeee! its hard to clean the lense.. I dont have any trouble getting out my lense and I have a JT Flex Ize 7... Just bare down and use a wide headed screw drive so you dont **** your mask up and you can do it easy...

[surrenderordie]

O sorry times up to bad you hadnt posted earlier. Im sorry but a company finally beat JT. Better vision, Less fog, Easy in and out lenses. Sorry but I think they are overall a better mask. Just think of how long JT has lasted.
Rios_Creos please delete this post before it turns into a flame war.

[compadre7]

Originally posted by ahhh_the_madnes
Why is there a debate~!?!? Get the PROTEUS!!!![/B]

Why should he get the Proteus?


You will have to upgrade your mask sooner or later anyways because you will later realize that Vforce line sucks[B]

I'm going to have to ask, why?

Not trying to flame or start a flame, but... could you PLEASE give some logical explanations for your views?

I DO see a lot of tourny players wearing the Proteus, and they DO look cool. I like the Vforce's PERFORMANCE better. I also like it's looks. I'd say go try them on, if at all possible, and see which one you like better.

[rios_creos]

i didn't order yesterday so i think i will today

i can get a proteus (black) for 40 bucks

i can get a shield (black) for 30 bucks, please tell me if the black shield is the rental version or the standard one



OK here's the facts for me:

the lens change system is not REALLY important to me, it would be awesome to have a quick change system but i don't need it that much

ok, now neither of the masks fog, am i right about this, i want one that NEVER fogs at all. (under normal central florida playing conditions)

i might build a fan

they both have visors

which lense is more scratch resistant, which is clearer, which will fog less


i guess the v force lense, to me at least, looks like it is clearer, and fogs less, also i think they're cheaper than spectra thermals


but the proteus will let you hear and talk alot better right? although since i play woods its not ALL that important, it would be alot easier to yell and start the game, rather than shooting 5 consecutive quick shots


please please please reply, i need all ya'lls help, and i'll keep monitoring this mask forum


and also, surrendodorie, sorry i had to get off the net yesterday, and i don't know if you tried to pm me. thanks anyway :)

[rios_creos]

i'm probably (most likely) getting a v force shield (black)

i read all the reviews for the proteus and the shield and they both have similar vision, but the shield has a softer visor (more bounces), much much easier lense change, bigger lense, much much clearer lense, and its 10 bucks cheaper:D

also does anyone know which drop forward i should get, i have a 20 and a 9 oz tank and my bottomline has regular holes. and its under 30 bucks, hopefully 20 or less:D

[beatstanfurd]

You know what? I can't go wrong with either. The $30 Shields are the rental, but the rentals are great. The only reason to not get the rentals is if you want another color other than yellow or flat black. Its your money and you will be happy with either.

[rios_creos]

rephrase please?

do you mean i can't go wrong with either a standard shield or a rental shield

or do you mean i can't go wrong with a proteus or a shield

[beatstanfurd]

You will be happy with either the jt or the vforce regardless of it being the retail version or the rental. For the vforce, if you like flat black, get the rental. If you want the other colors, then get that. If you like the jt masks, get that.

You will be happy with either.

I personally liked the quick switch of the lens on the vforce, so I got the shields.

[rios_creos]

thanks for being honest bean,

i'm going for the proteus, i should order very soon, as for anyone whose reading this, can you give me a site that has either a shield for less than 30 bucks (black) or a morph for less than 64 bucks


thanks, i want the morph now, because its better than the shield, but its too expensive and i want a drop too:(

[beatstanfurd]

If you are looking for a drop, I have one that I am looking to sell.

The following link is the exact one I have except mine is black.

http://www.ballisticsports.com/item.jhtml?UCIDs=789502%7C832636&PRID=629901

Vforce shield rentals ($29.99 with free ground shipping and located in Texas, so should be no tax since you are in Florida)

http://www.actionpaintball.com/product143.html

[rios_creos]

hey guys, i already ordered the v force shield (black), a lazy z drop forward, a case of bigball paint, and some gun oil.


it cost me a total of 102 dollars with shipping.


to:surendorer hey, i orderded from 1st paintball, and you said you did too. how long did it take for your stuff to arrive, and what time did it arrive also.


i live in florida

thanks

[surrenderordie]

I just ordered my mask. Sorry I cant help you with that.

[old68]

The rental shield has closed cell foam, the regular has open cell foam. Quite frankly, the foam on the rental is not the best(read scarce). I got it yesterday. Today I cut out the open cell foam from my old mask and glued it onto the closed cell foam with a hot glue gun. Now I can say it's absolutely sweet. If you dont have an old mask laying around with nice foam I suggest you buy the regular shield. If you do have an old mask do what I did. Also, I found the strap on the rental pretty crappy, so I threw on the strap from my old mask.

The lens and the mask are incredible. Even if the foam was crap, I fixed that and I'm 100% satisfied now. With closed + open cell foam I have alot of padding and this thing is really comfy. I have also tried breathing directly onto the inside of the lense and it just wont fog, ever. I'm gonna put the thing through it's pases this weekend and see what happens.

I also got a black spectra thermal yesterday (for my little bro) and the spectra is wider. The shield is longer because of the neck protector (I actually like the neck protector) and it also sticks out in front of your face alot making your side profile larger (well, I need to fit glasses under there).

Taking the lense out is really easy on the shield also. I had to take it out to glue all that foam safely. So there you have it, my spontaneus mini shield review.

[rios_creos]

whats the difference between closed and open foam?

is the closed the kind that won't give in any when you push or is that the open foam????


help me out thanks

[old68]

Yeah, the closed cell foam is more like rubber, it doesnt really give and its thin. Like I said before, dont get the rental unless you have foam laying around. Also, the rental doesnt come with a goggle bag either and the strap is not too good. You could save yourself the trouble and get a gunmetal shield. The mask and lense are really great. Field of view is vastly superior to anything I've used before. I actually like the neckguard and dont plan to take that off anytime soon. I got the rental thinking it was the same as the others. I would have spent the extra $14 for better foam, a nicer strap, color coat, and a bag. I suggest you just buy a regular shield.

I'm still happy with the mask because I had materials to fix what I didnt like about it. SO, I REPEAT... If you dont have the stuff I mentioned before to fix up the rental buy a regular shield. This mask is definately better than a spectra (once it has a nice strap and foam).

I forgot to talk about the visor. It really easy to install and it's pretty flexible. Also, balls cant sneak in under it and smack you in the forehead like the spectra.


here is a quote from diablodirect:

REF and RENTAL shield (if you look at the picture you also see the crappy strap is white/black)
• Heavy-duty construction built for maximum wear and tear - durable materials, scratch-resistant lenses, anti-fog treatment, fast-drying neoprene foam. VFORCE gear ia always ready for action.

REGULAR SHIELD

• High-density face foam for superior fit and comfort

• Zero-slip silicone pro strap, flexible sun visor and carry bag

[thaklanksta]

Go with the V-forc Morph.

I have a V-force Armor.
My friend has a V-force Morph.
I have 3 other friends that are ordering V-force masks, because of the success we have had.

We have played numerous times and they last. They do not fog, and if you replace the lense every year or a little earlier then you wont have to worry about fog.

How long does it take to take off a V-force lense to clean?
The first time it takes a minute or so. After that, its less than a minute. It is so easy and and no other mask is as easy to do this.

V-force is Awesome looking too.

I did research for several weeks before buying a mask. I read several thousand reviews on pbreviews and read them with a grain of salt. I went on several discussion boards, and everyone said buy jt. Then i found a website that sold all the different brands. I asked what is a good beginners mask that will not fog and is under 30 dollars. The administrator recommended the V-force Armor mask. He then said if you plan on playing alot, go with the V-force morph. I asked why V-force? No one locally sells them in the stores. He said trust me. I researched it a bit and then purchased. I couldnt be more happy.

I forgot to mention that if you wear glasses that the Morph is a good one. The bug eyed lense protrudes enough to avoid the lense. Man that mask is awesome!

Piratepaintball.com has a great price on the Armor (+ free shipping)I cant remember what the Morph went for (71.00 i think) but if you are a newbie get the Armor, unless you have some extra cash.

Research V-force and JT. Both are good masks but i am pro V-force, because of the ease of lense replacement and so far no fog.

[rios_creos]

i already bought the v force shield rental

damn i should've got the other one with a better strap and better foam, and a damn bag.

but its too late now, although i do feel stupid.

but i have an old brass eagle deluxe lying around and i might put that foam on it although thats also crappy foam it'lll probably feel better because there's more of it.

also if the strap sucks really bad, i'll put my strap on it. plus later i'll buy jt wetex foam and glue it on:)

thanks for the posts so far, but has anyone ever ordered from 1st shot paintball, and if they have, how long did it take for your **** to arrive?

[beatstanfurd]

I have never had a problem with the foam and the strap on the Vforce Shield Rentals. Also, I heard that the open cell foam is a sponge when it comes to perspiration. I really do not want all the sweat around my eyes. My strap has never slipped eventhough it does not have the silicon beads.

[rios_creos]

anyone order from 1st shot paintball?

if you did, how long does it take to get your stuff?

[old68]

how did you ask them to ship it?

[rios_creos]

they only had one option-stand fed ex or ups ground delivery

it cost me 8 bucks

i live in florida


also is it possible to build a custom fan that will fit inside teh shield?

[rios_creos]

i got my field shield today.

and a case of bigball and a lazy z drop forward (only drops like 1 inch and forward 3 or 2. :( kinda a rip off but so is everything else in paintball. oh yeah and my first thing of oil.

the mask needed to be seriously tightened to fit my average size head. and the mask itself is very very large, as in huge, it is jjust big.

its fairly comfortble although you have to realize i got the cheapest kind. and the foam is closed neoprene or something.

also this puppy didn't come with an instruction manual, and it took about 5 minutes to figure out how to put the damn visor on.

and taking the lense out took about 40-60 seconds the first time. (i was afraid to break it but it seems you have to COMPLETELY pop off the black tabs when you want to take out the lense) and putting it back on took a good 10 minutes (maybe a couple less)

in that time my friend put his scott hotshot mask's lense back in. but that was my first time.

about 5 minutes later i decided to do it again, and i took out the lense and put it back in withing 1 minute, maybe 1 1/2 minutes.

so its not really EASY to change, i'd say its extremely simple requiring just a bit of brute strength.

when i put the mask on, i noticed the foam only makes contact with my face on like 4 points around the lense, which is the only part that has foam, (unlike my friends scott stalker which has ear foam)

so i guess i like this mask, i used it today and its pretty comfortable but i have a feeling it'll be alot better once i put some new foam on top of the old foam and put some foam around my ears, (just cause its hot)


also, i wasn't even sweating that bad after about 45 minutes of play, whereas all my other friends were sweating with their jts, scotts, and BE's


by the way, the owner/president of scott paintball, wears a jt flex ize.

just though that was interesting:P

[rios_creos]

bringing it to the top to help those in question ;)

[MINDofSIN]

It took you 10 minutes to put the lens back in???

[spyder159]

hi, rios_creos is my friend, i am the kid he refered to (with the scott mask)

it only took him about 10 minutes the first time because he didn't really get how to do it (his came with no instructions).

now i've seen him take out the lense in 10 seconds or less and put them back in in about 12 seconds.

(that was his 3 rd try)


but i try to tell him he's doing it wrong because to put the lense in, he pushes it straight on from the front, and to me it looks like you push the sides down (just like you take them out).

and every time he does it that idiot has to clean off his lense because his finger prints get on it. luckily his lense doesn't scratch like mine.

oh by the way, the reason he's not telling you is cause he got banned. check out the 32 degrees forum.